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Post by bubbles on Mar 3, 2015 22:08:24 GMT -5
It's denied and I thought the apologist answer that the devil made all these earlier religions say the same thing to make Jesus look like a copycat savior, is pretty desperate. Jesus is just one of many in the ancient world. I can remember when I was doing all my research coming across that apologist response when pagans said Christianity was just a copy cat religion. The thing is they turned something that had always been recognized as a myth into a historical event. I am amazed how well many old civilizations knew of movements in the night sky ie "heavens". They assigned agency to the unexplained and created a rich and lasting mythology. I can find the big and Little Dipper, but could never see any of the astrological figures. I guess I never had enough faith to be an astrologer. You could learn if that was your inclination. I think if we had been taught in school how to read the heavens we would better off now. More informed.
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Post by snow on Mar 3, 2015 22:28:54 GMT -5
I am amazed how well many old civilizations knew of movements in the night sky ie "heavens". They assigned agency to the unexplained and created a rich and lasting mythology. I can find the big and Little Dipper, but could never see any of the astrological figures. I guess I never had enough faith to be an astrologer. You could learn if that was your inclination. I think if we had been taught in school how to read the heavens we would better off now. More informed. In what way would being more informed about the night sky make us better off? There are lots of astronomers that we can learn from if we want to, but what part of it makes the lay person better off?
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 3, 2015 22:30:34 GMT -5
I am amazed how well many old civilizations knew of movements in the night sky ie "heavens". They assigned agency to the unexplained and created a rich and lasting mythology. I can find the big and Little Dipper, but could never see any of the astrological figures. I guess I never had enough faith to be an astrologer. You could learn if that was your inclination. I think if we had been taught in school how to read the heavens we would better off now. More informed. Surely, bubbles, you don't think that by studying astrology that we would be better off! "Astrology consists of several pseudoscientific systems of divination[1] based on the premise that there is a relationship between astronomical phenomena and events in the human world.
Many cultures have attached importance to astronomical events, and the Indians, Chinese, and Mayans developed elaborate systems for predicting terrestrial events from celestial observations.
In the West, astrology most often consists of a system of horoscopes purporting to explain aspects of a person's personality and predict future events in their life based on the positions of the sun, moon, and other celestial objects at the time of their birth."
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Post by bubbles on Mar 4, 2015 1:10:41 GMT -5
You could learn if that was your inclination. I think if we had been taught in school how to read the heavens we would better off now. More informed. In what way would being more informed about the night sky make us better off? There are lots of astronomers that we can learn from if we want to, but what part of it makes the lay person better off? Knowledge is good. Understanding new things is good.
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Post by rational on Mar 4, 2015 7:52:52 GMT -5
You could learn if that was your inclination. I think if we had been taught in school how to read the heavens we would better off now. More informed. In what way would being more informed about the night sky make us better off? There are lots of astronomers that we can learn from if we want to, but what part of it makes the lay person better off? Historical interest. At night outside the only visible things are often the stars. I showed my children and they and I have showed their kids where the patterns are. It is like looking at the shapes of clouds - an interesting pastime. How could you find the Perseid meteor shower if you could not locate Perseus?!? I see it akin to being able to identify types of trees, flowers, rocks, birds, etc. Know your environment!
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Post by snow on Mar 4, 2015 12:50:49 GMT -5
In what way would being more informed about the night sky make us better off? There are lots of astronomers that we can learn from if we want to, but what part of it makes the lay person better off? Knowledge is good. Understanding new things is good. Yes, knowledge is good. Just wondering how learning about horoscopes is of any value though. I am constantly interested in learning about ancient civilizations and what they believed because it makes me understand more clearly what made them do the things they did and how far we have come in our knowledge.
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Post by snow on Mar 4, 2015 12:52:42 GMT -5
In what way would being more informed about the night sky make us better off? There are lots of astronomers that we can learn from if we want to, but what part of it makes the lay person better off? Historical interest. At night outside the only visible things are often the stars. I showed my children and they and I have showed their kids where the patterns are. It is like looking at the shapes of clouds - an interesting pastime. How could you find the Perseid meteor shower if you could not locate Perseus?!? I see it akin to being able to identify types of trees, flowers, rocks, birds, etc. Know your environment!
Oh that's what you're referring to. I agree. It was astrology learning astrology and predicting things based on the stars, horoscopes etc. that I was wondering how it was beneficial.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 4, 2015 17:02:38 GMT -5
Knowledge is good. Understanding new things is good. Yes, knowledge is good. Just wondering how learning about horoscopes is of any value though. I am constantly interested in learning about ancient civilizations and what they believed because it makes me understand more clearly what made them do the things they did and how far we have come in our knowledge. Sorry I read it as astronomy. I am also interested in the ancient world.
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Post by rational on Mar 4, 2015 21:50:26 GMT -5
Knowledge is good. Understanding new things is good. Yes, knowledge is good. Just wondering how learning about horoscopes is of any value though. I am constantly interested in learning about ancient civilizations and what they believed because it makes me understand more clearly what made them do the things they did and how far we have come in our knowledge. I was not saying horoscopes. I was thinking identification of the things we see in the sky!
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Post by snow on Mar 4, 2015 22:32:47 GMT -5
Yes, knowledge is good. Just wondering how learning about horoscopes is of any value though. I am constantly interested in learning about ancient civilizations and what they believed because it makes me understand more clearly what made them do the things they did and how far we have come in our knowledge. I was not saying horoscopes. I was thinking identification of the things we see in the sky! I guess I connect astrology with horoscopes and astronomy with the night sky. I think at one point in history there was really no division and the study of the night sky was not just for predictions, or tracking the zodiac, but also interest in the constellations.
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Post by xna on Aug 21, 2015 17:31:20 GMT -5
The issue with "gay marriage" is itself sexist. If it's fine to have two men or two women marry then why shouldn't we allow ALL marital variations? Adult to Pubescent child marriage (pederast) Child to child marriage Temporary marriage (one nighter, weekender etc..) Bestial marriage (you do love your dog, right?) Polygamy Polyamory (non exclusive)etc It seems to me polygamy is part of the christian master plan, otherwise there must be only one woman in heaven, as bride of Christ . It's clear polygamy was in the OT master plan, and I can't think of a single verse in the NT that prohibits polygamy. When Jesus was asked if it's allowed for a man to divorce his wife, he immediately referred them to the OT for the answer. It seems the OT rules still applied on that subject. I understand the RCC thinks: The Holy Spirit's bride is; the The Holy Virgin. Jesus brides are; all the Nuns God's bride is / are; _______ ??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 20:52:58 GMT -5
The issue with "gay marriage" is itself sexist. If it's fine to have two men or two women marry then why shouldn't we allow ALL marital variations? Adult to Pubescent child marriage (pederast) Child to child marriage Temporary marriage (one nighter, weekender etc..) Bestial marriage (you do love your dog, right?) Polygamy Polyamory (non exclusive)etc It seems to me polygamy is part of the christian master plan, otherwise there must be only one woman in heaven, as bride of Christ . It's clear polygamy was in the OT master plan, and I can't think of a single verse in the NT that prohibits polygamy. When Jesus was asked if it's allowed for a man to divorce his wife, he immediately referred them to the OT for the answer. It seems the OT rules still applied on that subject. I understand the RCC thinks: The Holy Spirit's bride is; the The Holy Virgin. Jesus brides are; all the Nuns God's bride is / are; _______ ?? I think the requirements for bishop or deacon imply only 1 wife...
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Post by xna on Aug 21, 2015 20:59:57 GMT -5
It seems to me polygamy is part of the christian master plan, otherwise there must be only one woman in heaven, as bride of Christ . It's clear polygamy was in the OT master plan, and I can't think of a single verse in the NT that prohibits polygamy. When Jesus was asked if it's allowed for a man to divorce his wife, he immediately referred them to the OT for the answer. It seems the OT rules still applied on that subject. I understand the RCC thinks: The Holy Spirit's bride is; the The Holy Virgin. Jesus brides are; all the Nuns God's bride is / are; _______ ?? I think the requirements for bishop or deacon imply only 1 wife... What about those who are not a bishop or deacon? Who is a bishop or deacon in the 2x2?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 22:26:07 GMT -5
I think the requirements for bishop or deacon imply only 1 wife... What about those who are not a bishop or deacon? Who is a bishop or deacon in the 2x2? its to my understanding that one should strive to obtain the office of a bishop or deacon...
your sunday morning elder is usually the bishop your deacon is the backup that takes over when the bishop is gone or sick they also run Wednesday night meetings...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 22:48:35 GMT -5
The issue with "gay marriage" is itself sexist. If it's fine to have two men or two women marry then why shouldn't we allow ALL marital variations? Adult to Pubescent child marriage (pederast) Child to child marriage Temporary marriage (one nighter, weekender etc..) Bestial marriage (you do love your dog, right?) Polygamy Polyamory (non exclusive)etc It seems to me polygamy is part of the christian master plan, otherwise there must be only one woman in heaven, as bride of Christ . It's clear polygamy was in the OT master plan, and I can't think of a single verse in the NT that prohibits polygamy. When Jesus was asked if it's allowed for a man to divorce his wife, he immediately referred them to the OT for the answer. It seems the OT rules still applied on that subject. I understand the RCC thinks: The Holy Spirit's bride is; the The Holy Virgin. Jesus brides are; all the Nuns God's bride is / are; _______ ?? the bride of Christ is not carnal
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Post by emy on Aug 22, 2015 0:52:13 GMT -5
What about those who are not a bishop or deacon? Who is a bishop or deacon in the 2x2? its to my understanding that one should strive to obtain the office of a bishop or deacon...
your sunday morning elder is usually the bishop your deacon is the backup that takes over when the bishop is gone or sick they also run Wednesday night meetings...
Sometimes when financial affairs need to be taken care of, a deacon is appointed. I was told that was the case several years back when there was a major flood in a city of this state and money poured in from friends all over the country.
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Post by xna on Aug 22, 2015 6:36:29 GMT -5
its to my understanding that one should strive to obtain the office of a bishop or deacon...
your sunday morning elder is usually the bishop your deacon is the backup that takes over when the bishop is gone or sick they also run Wednesday night meetings...
Sometimes when financial affairs need to be taken care of, a deacon is appointed. I was told that was the case several years back when there was a major flood in a city of this state and money poured in from friends all over the country. I find just a few verses written about a deacon or bishop. It seems to me their duties are based on traditions & not biblically directed. I find they vary from denomination to denomination. When I professed we were told "we have no earthly organization", yet you read about “the office of a bishop”. This sounds like an organization.
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Post by xna on Aug 22, 2015 6:38:21 GMT -5
its to my understanding that one should strive to obtain the office of a bishop or deacon...
your sunday morning elder is usually the bishop your deacon is the backup that takes over when the bishop is gone or sick they also run Wednesday night meetings...
Sometimes when financial affairs need to be taken care of, a deacon is appointed. I was told that was the case several years back when there was a major flood in a city of this state and money poured in from friends all over the country. That's good to see.
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Post by xna on Aug 22, 2015 6:41:08 GMT -5
It seems to me polygamy is part of the christian master plan, otherwise there must be only one woman in heaven, as bride of Christ . It's clear polygamy was in the OT master plan, and I can't think of a single verse in the NT that prohibits polygamy. When Jesus was asked if it's allowed for a man to divorce his wife, he immediately referred them to the OT for the answer. It seems the OT rules still applied on that subject. I understand the RCC thinks: The Holy Spirit's bride is; the The Holy Virgin. Jesus brides are; all the Nuns God's bride is / are; _______ ?? the bride of Christ is not carnal Will the bride be married, or forever remain a bride, carnal or not?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:20:36 GMT -5
the bride of Christ is not carnal Will the bride be married, or forever remain a bride, carnal or not? not in a carnal sense no
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Post by xna on Aug 22, 2015 18:36:34 GMT -5
Will the bride be married, or forever remain a bride, carnal or not? not in a carnal sense no If two or more get married to one "even in a non carnal way", that's polygamy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:53:53 GMT -5
If two or more get married to one "even in a non carnal way", that's polygamy. yea right oh
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Post by emy on Aug 22, 2015 23:02:50 GMT -5
If two or more get married to one "even in a non carnal way", that's polygamy. The bride of Christ is singular, imo. Many making one.
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2015 11:36:21 GMT -5
If two or more get married to one "even in a non carnal way", that's polygamy. The bride of Christ is singular, imo. Many making one. Interesting how all religions come back to that 'all being one'. It's a very New age belief that we are all just individuated portions of the whole or the collective body of God. If that is the case it seems like it would be impossible to become separated from the whole. Where would one go? You might not recognize that you are part of a 'whole' and maybe that's what is considered to be hell? Not recognizing your connection to everything that exists?
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