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Post by bubbles on Aug 22, 2014 3:47:38 GMT -5
I beg to differ. The fundamental root of religious dogma originates somewhere else but lets NOT go there! The fundamental root of religious dogma -- what is that? You say something and then not want to talk about it? Take away religion. There would be no religious dogma.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 4:21:47 GMT -5
The fundamental root of religious dogma -- what is that? You say something and then not want to talk about it? Take away religion. There would be no religious dogma. then there could be faith
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Post by bubbles on Aug 22, 2014 5:14:57 GMT -5
Take away religion. There would be no religious dogma. then there could be faith Absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 10:18:05 GMT -5
Sorry for jumping in here, I just was reading the 1st few pages of this thread and noted the discussion on suicide. Hope I'm not repeating what's already been discussed... Anyway, as a Christian it has always bothered and confused me why Christians seem to be the most against it? Isn't heaven supposed to be a better place? If you really want to get to a better place and time, you usually take steps to get there. Suicide seems to be a rather sure and definite way to get there. It's not like God can't get along without any of us. It's almost like there's a fear and uncertainty of the hereafter, in other words there isn't actual belief in what's professed/preached. For example, imo, Jesus death was intentional suicide. After all that's the grand finale he intentionally and purposefully come to earth to do for us. Going to Jerusalem as he did was suicidal, and he knew it. Blaming the Jews is an unfortunate diversionary thought, with lack of understanding what was wanted and intended. Looking at it personally, how dare anyone tell me I can't die if I want to. Spare me from such people please. A friend of mine died, and was revived. As he said to me, he was disappointed that they had. I died once, it wasn't bad, pretty much like being asleep and then waking up, except that it's like no time has passed, and you don't dream. The dying part while still conscious was pretty rough though. My mother had a stroke a little more than a year ago. Paralysis on one side and pretty much the loss of ability to speak were the effects. As I was taking her to the hospital and she was still able to talk somewhat, I asked her if she was ready to go. I wanted to know so that I could help her in whatever she wished. With difficulty, she was able to articulate "not today". Not that she wasn't ready to go imo, if it so be, but otherwise, let's see what tomorrow may bring. Now, after a slow year and a half of deterioration, it has become clear that she has transitioned from it's okay if I go, to I'd just as soon go, to I don't care, I want to go. Unfortunately, there is no approved, accepted, understanding, "ethical", way for this to happily happen. And Christianity doesn't seem to provide much of a guide. As someone who's lived on a farm, and grew up in a farming community, we used to talk with each other about such situations we'd see others in, and say, y'know, we treat our animals, and especially our pets more humanely (euthanize) than we do our old folks and parents. As I said, spare me please from people who don't want me to kill myself if I want to go. Let me go, please. And here I am almost being the kind of person I want to be spared from. Ettu Jesus did it to save lives not becuase he was depressed or in pain suicide to save a life is noble...Joh_15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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Post by faune on Aug 22, 2014 10:35:43 GMT -5
Sorry for jumping in here, I just was reading the 1st few pages of this thread and noted the discussion on suicide. Hope I'm not repeating what's already been discussed... Anyway, as a Christian it has always bothered and confused me why Christians seem to be the most against it? Isn't heaven supposed to be a better place? If you really want to get to a better place and time, you usually take steps to get there. Suicide seems to be a rather sure and definite way to get there. It's not like God can't get along without any of us. It's almost like there's a fear and uncertainty of the hereafter, in other words there isn't actual belief in what's professed/preached. For example, imo, Jesus death was intentional suicide. After all that's the grand finale he intentionally and purposefully come to earth to do for us. Going to Jerusalem as he did was suicidal, and he knew it. Blaming the Jews is an unfortunate diversionary thought, with lack of understanding what was wanted and intended. Looking at it personally, how dare anyone tell me I can't die if I want to. Spare me from such people please. A friend of mine died, and was revived. As he said to me, he was disappointed that they had. I died once, it wasn't bad, pretty much like being asleep and then waking up, except that it's like no time has passed, and you don't dream. The dying part while still conscious was pretty rough though. My mother had a stroke a little more than a year ago. Paralysis on one side and pretty much the loss of ability to speak were the effects. As I was taking her to the hospital and she was still able to talk somewhat, I asked her if she was ready to go. I wanted to know so that I could help her in whatever she wished. With difficulty, she was able to articulate "not today". Not that she wasn't ready to go imo, if it so be, but otherwise, let's see what tomorrow may bring. Now, after a slow year and a half of deterioration, it has become clear that she has transitioned from it's okay if I go, to I'd just as soon go, to I don't care, I want to go. Unfortunately, there is no approved, accepted, understanding, "ethical", way for this to happily happen. And Christianity doesn't seem to provide much of a guide. As someone who's lived on a farm, and grew up in a farming community, we used to talk with each other about such situations we'd see others in, and say, y'know, we treat our animals, and especially our pets more humanely (euthanize) than we do our old folks and parents. As I said, spare me please from people who don't want me to kill myself if I want to go. Let me go, please. And here I am almost being the kind of person I want to be spared from. Ettu Ettu ~ You make a good point about people showing more concern for their sickly and aging pets than they do for fellow human beings who don't want to linger and suffer in the process, when the quality of life has deteriorated to about nothing worth living for. If I was in such a state of being, I really wouldn't want to hang around either and would want the right to choose euthanasia.
www.gotquestions.org/suicide-Bible-Christian.html
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130828210347AAHkmaa
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:41:15 GMT -5
Irvine Lest we forget, here is one of the fruits of the Christian God. The Tenth Plague: Death of Firstborn (Exodus 12)29 And it came to pass at midnight, that the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. 30 And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.Which do you think is more immoral; lawfully aborting a foetus which has diagnosed with Downs Syndrome or slaughtering every firstborn child (of whatever age) in every household of the Egyptians? Regards Matt10 In context, Pharaoh had many less warnings before this one but refused to heed these. This judgement was carried out by God in His Sovereignty and rightly or wrongly, I do not question the actions of God but I will question the mutterings of Dawkins and those of a similar ilk who act and talk like a god. I think this is one for a discussion over a glass of fine Merlot! Irvine, I agree that questioning is the way to go whether it be the mutterings of Dawkins, the claims of 2x2 workers or the authors of scripture who attributed certain happenings and actions to the work of their particular God. Your response does support the view that morality is often a subjective matter, more to do with who is undertaking the action than the particular action itself. Of course fine Merlot is always on the agenda although you will be aware that gentlemen should be wary about discussing religion or politics over drink in this part of the world.... Matt10
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Post by faune on Aug 22, 2014 13:15:20 GMT -5
Empathy seems to be diminishing in some humans. Bubbles ~ Keen observation here! However, it's never to late to start cultivating this trait by showing a little compassion, kindness, and understanding of another's feelings?
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Post by xna on Aug 22, 2014 13:42:47 GMT -5
Jeffery Dahmer and his father interview. His take on evolution, & how drifting away from god caused his problems. youtu.be/IjW7bezdddE
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Post by bubbles on Aug 22, 2014 16:26:57 GMT -5
Faune
Most people particulary christians buddists are peace abiding people. There is only so much critisim and judgement some can tolerate.
On this site if you want to discuss any topic relating to your belief you get challenged. Your words taken out of context. Your sentences split like hairs.
I feel for those people who enter this site looking for fellowship or help. The scrutiny that goes on really should be reviewed.
Good people have left. Having grown up in meetings we have so much in common with one another. We should be able to converse without fear of attack. Attack is probably not the right word. And yet that is so often how you feel after the onslaught of interrogation.
I know a few atheist one a good friend. He has to have the last word!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2014 16:34:07 GMT -5
And I think such flippant answer shows a considerable lack of empathy for the problems that parents as well as the rest of humanity face in birth defects.
There is nothing in my response that shows a lack of empathy with those who have birth defects. I guess it is what you have underlined that you take issue with. However, in the past Matt 10 and I have met and had warm and interesting discussions over a fine Merlot which I think is much more civilised than hiding behind the anonymity of a pseudonym on the TMB. Therefore my response is not as flippant as you infer! I always thought such a remark was just an invitation for a good sociable visit....perhaps more old country saying then we would do here....although it might be light beer or such,eh? As I have a "defective" daughter, I sure didn't take the remark to be something of the ilk of lacking empathy for our problems we face with such children! Simply because even the "defective" children are pretty much individualized as the "normal" or "non-defective" children....as in our own experience!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2014 16:42:24 GMT -5
Sorry for jumping in here, I just was reading the 1st few pages of this thread and noted the discussion on suicide. Hope I'm not repeating what's already been discussed... Anyway, as a Christian it has always bothered and confused me why Christians seem to be the most against it? Isn't heaven supposed to be a better place? If you really want to get to a better place and time, you usually take steps to get there. Suicide seems to be a rather sure and definite way to get there. It's not like God can't get along without any of us. It's almost like there's a fear and uncertainty of the hereafter, in other words there isn't actual belief in what's professed/preached. For example, imo, Jesus death was intentional suicide. After all that's the grand finale he intentionally and purposefully come to earth to do for us. Going to Jerusalem as he did was suicidal, and he knew it. Blaming the Jews is an unfortunate diversionary thought, with lack of understanding what was wanted and intended. Looking at it personally, how dare anyone tell me I can't die if I want to. Spare me from such people please. A friend of mine died, and was revived. As he said to me, he was disappointed that they had. I died once, it wasn't bad, pretty much like being asleep and then waking up, except that it's like no time has passed, and you don't dream. The dying part while still conscious was pretty rough though. My mother had a stroke a little more than a year ago. Paralysis on one side and pretty much the loss of ability to speak were the effects. As I was taking her to the hospital and she was still able to talk somewhat, I asked her if she was ready to go. I wanted to know so that I could help her in whatever she wished. With difficulty, she was able to articulate "not today". Not that she wasn't ready to go imo, if it so be, but otherwise, let's see what tomorrow may bring. Now, after a slow year and a half of deterioration, it has become clear that she has transitioned from it's okay if I go, to I'd just as soon go, to I don't care, I want to go. Unfortunately, there is no approved, accepted, understanding, "ethical", way for this to happily happen. And Christianity doesn't seem to provide much of a guide. As someone who's lived on a farm, and grew up in a farming community, we used to talk with each other about such situations we'd see others in, and say, y'know, we treat our animals, and especially our pets more humanely (euthanize) than we do our old folks and parents. As I said, spare me please from people who don't want me to kill myself if I want to go. Let me go, please. And here I am almost being the kind of person I want to be spared from. Ettu I'm so sorry about your mother. It must be so very hard for you. Being a nurse, I have also saw many people in the same circumstances.
I was with my mother when she died. It was time she went & although I knew that I would personally miss her, I would not have wanted her to continue to suffer.
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I believe that you are right about Jesus death being intentional suicide.
To be honest, the scriptures related that Jesus told some of those who were listening to him that he "had power to lay my life down, and power to take it up again." So perhaps that would be considered "suicide" when we consider it from our feeble human brains....but I think the biggest point is that there is a life hereafter and that was to be from Jesus Christ to all who died "in him"....life everlasting? Sure, slip on out of this world. The problem is, when the real battle comes on between the body and the soul, the old body clings tightly to the soul and refuses to turn it aloose.....so perhaps in "real" suicides that we consider as medical issues are those who have already disjoined their souls from their bodies.....thus they ARE able to commit suicide.....their disconnect is what enables them to finish the job!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2014 16:46:11 GMT -5
then there could be faith Absolutely. As "religion" and "dogma" both are manmade issues, "Faith" doesn't fit in there at all......for faith is a gift from heaven...it isn't a human gift, but a divine gift.....can you see what I'm trying to say here?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 22, 2014 16:59:03 GMT -5
Faune Most people particulary christians buddists are peace abiding people. There is only so much critisim and judgement some can tolerate. On this site if you want to discuss any topic relating to your belief you get challenged. Your words taken out of context. Your sentences split like hairs. I feel for those people who enter this site looking for fellowship or help. The scrutiny that goes on really should be reviewed. Good people have left. Having grown up in meetings we have so much in common with one another. We should be able to converse without fear of attack. Attack is probably not the right word. And yet that is so often how you feel after the onslaught of interrogation. I know a few atheist one a good friend. He has to have the last word! Bubbles, I think you've witnessed perhaps that which makes TMB unique! ha ha When I first came to TMB, I was a professing person....and I got criticized more then once a day on TMB, my posts were dissected every which way but loose, and any threads I might have started was totally anathema to any one else on TMB! About 10 years later, when I left the fellowship...guess what! Yep, you got it! I went through it all over again! I begin to wonder just why I even tried to correspond with people on TMB and the only reason I have is that I want the truth about the fellowship which calls itself the "TRUTH" to be made known to as many people as possible...that it is nothing more then another manmade religion and even then the manmade might be questionable! I felt very betrayed when I found out about the "beginnings" of the 2x2 religion, after having it said many, many times that this religion went all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles, the shores of Galilee and was called The Jesus Way. Sorry there isn't much about it that is Jesus Way. Oh yes, they have mtgs. in the home like Jesus had a mtg. in a home which actually the one they take for an example was a Passover meal.....and the establishment of the Eucharist...and Jesus did send his Apostles out 2x2 into all of Judea in Matt. 10 to tell the Judeans that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. But I suppose it can't go any further because that's what the 2x2s have proclaimed is their priority and it all stops at Matt. 10! So the point is that we're going to have our conversations picked clean and perhaps that is a good thing for if the conversation stands after such handling, then it is good and if it doesn't stand maybe the person who wrote it will learn something new for that day?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 22, 2014 17:33:16 GMT -5
Absolutely. As "religion" and "dogma" both are manmade issues, "Faith" doesn't fit in there at all......for faith is a gift from heaven...it isn't a human gift, but a divine gift..... can you see what I'm trying to say here? No, I can't see what you are to say, not really.
Full Definition of FAITH: 1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions 2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
Take away the dogma, (doctrines of a religion) and what are you left with?
It is these man-made issues that give you "Faith." Faith is no more a gift from heaven than the "man-made religion & dogma."
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 22, 2014 18:14:57 GMT -5
Faune Most people particulary christians buddists are peace abiding people. There is only so much critisim and judgement some can tolerate. On this site if you want to discuss any topic relating to your belief you get challenged. Your words taken out of context. Your sentences split like hairs. I feel for those people who enter this site looking for fellowship or help. The scrutiny that goes on really should be reviewed. Good people have left. Having grown up in meetings we have so much in common with one another. We should be able to converse without fear of attack. Attack is probably not the right word. And yet that is so often how you feel after the onslaught of interrogation. I know a few atheist one a good friend. He has to have the last word! Bubbles, I think you've witnessed perhaps that which makes TMB unique! ha ha When I first came to TMB, I was a professing person....and I got criticized more then once a day on TMB, my posts were dissected every which way but loose, and any threads I might have started was totally anathema to any one else on TMB! About 10 years later, when I left the fellowship...guess what! Yep, you got it! I went through it all over again! I begin to wonder just why I even tried to correspond with people on TMB and the only reason I have is that I want the truth about the fellowship which calls itself the "TRUTH" to be made known to as many people as possible...that it is nothing more then another manmade religion and even then the manmade might be questionable! I felt very betrayed when I found out about the "beginnings" of the 2x2 religion, after having it said many, many times that this religion went all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles, the shores of Galilee and was called The Jesus Way. Sorry there isn't much about it that is Jesus Way. Oh yes, they have mtgs. in the home like Jesus had a mtg. in a home which actually the one they take for an example was a Passover meal.....and the establishment of the Eucharist...and Jesus did send his Apostles out 2x2 into all of Judea in Matt. 10 to tell the Judeans that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. But I suppose it can't go any further because that's what the 2x2s have proclaimed is their priority and it all stops at Matt. 10! So the point is that we're going to have our conversations picked clean and perhaps that is a good thing for if the conversation stands after such handling, then it is good and if it doesn't stand maybe the person who wrote it will learn something new for that day? Bubbles, why is it that when someone who has been a 2x2 but now is NOT a believer in any religion like myself, -why do you feel you are challenged by what we say?
You say what you believe and we say what we believe. Why do you feel challenged by my belief?
Why do you think that what any atheist says if because he/she "has to have the last word?"
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 22, 2014 18:49:17 GMT -5
There is nothing in my response that shows a lack of empathy with those who have birth defects. I guess it is what you have underlined that you take issue with. However, in the past Matt 10 and I have met and had warm and interesting discussions over a fine Merlot which I think is much more civilised than hiding behind the anonymity of a pseudonym on the TMB. Therefore my response is not as flippant as you infer! I always thought such a remark was just an invitation for a good sociable visit....perhaps more old country saying then we would do here....although it might be light beer or such,eh? As I have a "defective" daughter, I sure didn't take the remark to be something of the ilk of lacking empathy for our problems we face with such children! Simply because even the "defective" children are pretty much individualized as the "normal" or "non-defective" children....as in our own experience! I'm not quite sure how you could turn what I said about "birth defects" into the term, "defective" child.
I said "birth defects" of which there are many different kinds and listed as "birth defects" and not called "defective children."
You sound fortunate that you don't have any problems with your daughter.
Some parents are as fortunate. Their child may be born with a very severe birth defect to the point the child can't live.
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Post by rational on Aug 22, 2014 19:10:15 GMT -5
Jesus did it to save lives not becuase he was depressed or in pain suicide to save a life is noble. But he did not save a single life. Of course, can you support your claim that Jesus was not depressed? Or not in pain that he suffered in silence? But then, there were a lot of people who, through history, who have sacrificed their lives for the good of others. And they actually did it to save lives. How does their sacrifice stack up against the sacrifice of Jesus? What makes one sacrifice greater/better than another?
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Post by faune on Aug 22, 2014 19:19:35 GMT -5
Faune Most people particulary christians buddists are peace abiding people. There is only so much critisim and judgement some can tolerate. On this site if you want to discuss any topic relating to your belief you get challenged. Your words taken out of context. Your sentences split like hairs. I feel for those people who enter this site looking for fellowship or help. The scrutiny that goes on really should be reviewed. Good people have left. Having grown up in meetings we have so much in common with one another. We should be able to converse without fear of attack. Attack is probably not the right word. And yet that is so often how you feel after the onslaught of interrogation. I know a few atheist one a good friend. He has to have the last word! Bubbles, I think you've witnessed perhaps that which makes TMB unique! ha ha When I first came to TMB, I was a professing person....and I got criticized more then once a day on TMB, my posts were dissected every which way but loose, and any threads I might have started was totally anathema to any one else on TMB! About 10 years later, when I left the fellowship...guess what! Yep, you got it! I went through it all over again! I begin to wonder just why I even tried to correspond with people on TMB and the only reason I have is that I want the truth about the fellowship which calls itself the "TRUTH" to be made known to as many people as possible...that it is nothing more then another manmade religion and even then the manmade might be questionable! I felt very betrayed when I found out about the "beginnings" of the 2x2 religion, after having it said many, many times that this religion went all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles, the shores of Galilee and was called The Jesus Way. Sorry there isn't much about it that is Jesus Way. Oh yes, they have mtgs. in the home like Jesus had a mtg. in a home which actually the one they take for an example was a Passover meal.....and the establishment of the Eucharist...and Jesus did send his Apostles out 2x2 into all of Judea in Matt. 10 to tell the Judeans that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. But I suppose it can't go any further because that's what the 2x2s have proclaimed is their priority and it all stops at Matt. 10! So the point is that we're going to have our conversations picked clean and perhaps that is a good thing for if the conversation stands after such handling, then it is good and if it doesn't stand maybe the person who wrote it will learn something new for that day? Bubbles ~ Welcome to reality on TMB! One thing for sure, TMB is not for the faint of heart or thin-skinned people. However, it does provide a lively environment for exchange of thoughts on different topics and I have learned a lot from my last two years on this Board.
I've also had similar experiences to what Sharingtheriches described above. I feel it's all part of the breaking in process here on TMB? Anybody who hasn't gone through the gauntlet, hasn't posted much, IMHO? However, I have to agree with her concluding remark that if your post can survive scrutiny from being picked apart and analyzed, perhaps you have arrived? However, even if it doesn't survive the process, there's always a lesson learned from debating topics on TMB.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2014 19:51:19 GMT -5
The fundamental root of religious dogma -- what is that? You say something and then not want to talk about it? Take away religion. There would be no religious dogma. Well, that was a short conversation. But since no one is going to do that, what is the fundamental root of religious dogma?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2014 19:57:05 GMT -5
Take away religion. There would be no religious dogma. then there could be faith And who would tell you what to have faith in?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2014 20:07:58 GMT -5
Most interesting. I think I have identified a basic distinction between Canadians and Americans in general. I had a suspicion. I was looking for the US on the second diagram and just as I was about to give up on it -- I found it.
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Post by rational on Aug 22, 2014 20:08:27 GMT -5
Most people particulary christians buddists are peace abiding people. There is only so much critisim and judgement some can tolerate. Don't take this as criticism - but when you post something like this it raises questions regarding christians being mostly peace abiding people. Should the question be asked or should it just be ignored? Your beliefs are your beliefs. They are founded on faith. Faith does not require material or logical proof so how could a belief you hold be challenged? Sometimes beliefs get posted as facts and those may be challenged. Some (me) break posts up to respond to the individual issues and quote them directly so they retain their original context and later will not be accused of misquoting. I try to keep thoughts grouped together but from time to time it is difficult when responding to the puncuationally challenged. I agree that sentences should not be split. Usually not paragraphs either. Context should be maintained. If they are looking for help what changes would you suggest? This has been discussed from time to time. There are those who want to present a 'big picture' and not be asked about the underlying premises. It would be like asking someone to buy a house but getting upset when the buyer mentions that the foundation has some serious problems. Do you think the flaws underlying an issue should be ignored in favor of only looking at the big picture? Hasn't this been the experience of many former 2x2 members - being sold an idea without being able to examine the supporting facts? Over time good and bad people have left. A lot of context is missing when the conversion is all text-based on a message board. Asking pointed questions to get answers can been seen as harsh. Oh, those atheists! They are so much like Christians - just the disbelief in one more paranormal being! Personally - I don't know you. I had to scroll back to the top to see to whom I was responding. My response is only to what you post and, most of the time, only to this post. It is in no way personal.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 22, 2014 20:09:39 GMT -5
Take away religion. There would be no religious dogma. Well, that was a short conversation. But since no one is going to do that, what is the fundamental root of religious dogma? Patience. If religions never had developed is what I meant. Has man ever not worshiped a God or god. It seems they have. Sharinghisriches When a person is saved/bornagain by the holyspirit they recieve the gift of faith yes. Up until this presumably they were not religious. How a person becomes religious is over time as their belief system grows or as they grow and increase other things can happen. Because man is flesh and spirit we grow in knowledge and understanding through hearing the word and doing it.applying it to our lives. We also can pickup stuff that shouldnt be there. Doctrines. Habits eg: Jesus said they honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. Its a form of religion which has nothing to do with intimacy and loving and serving him. Having relationship. Without all the stuff/religion faith is able to grow /increase.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 22, 2014 20:11:27 GMT -5
Bob
Dunno about yours mine is simple. It is in the power of my God.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 22, 2014 20:18:12 GMT -5
Rational
The posts are too long within the quote box. You never cease to make me laugh. Scary atheist.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2014 20:21:39 GMT -5
Absolutely. As "religion" and "dogma" both are manmade issues, "Faith" doesn't fit in there at all...... for faith is a gift from heaven...it isn't a human gift, but a divine gift.....can you see what I'm trying to say here? This spoken from someone who believes Christian dogma. Outside the religious dogma box, such revelations are called either "imaginations" or "hallucinations".
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2014 20:26:11 GMT -5
Faune Most people particulary christians buddists are peace abiding people. There is only so much critisim and judgement some can tolerate. On this site if you want to discuss any topic relating to your belief you get challenged. Your words taken out of context. Your sentences split like hairs. I feel for those people who enter this site looking for fellowship or help. The scrutiny that goes on really should be reviewed. Good people have left. Having grown up in meetings we have so much in common with one another. We should be able to converse without fear of attack. Attack is probably not the right word. And yet that is so often how you feel after the onslaught of interrogation. I know a few atheist one a good friend. He has to have the last word! Bubbles, I think you've witnessed perhaps that which makes TMB unique! ha ha When I first came to TMB, I was a professing person....and I got criticized more then once a day on TMB, my posts were dissected every which way but loose, and any threads I might have started was totally anathema to any one else on TMB! About 10 years later, when I left the fellowship...guess what! Yep, you got it! I went through it all over again! I begin to wonder just why I even tried to correspond with people on TMB and the only reason I have is that I want the truth about the fellowship which calls itself the "TRUTH" to be made known to as many people as possible...that it is nothing more then another manmade religion and even then the manmade might be questionable! I felt very betrayed when I found out about the "beginnings" of the 2x2 religion, after having it said many, many times that this religion went all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles, the shores of Galilee and was called The Jesus Way. Sorry there isn't much about it that is Jesus Way. Oh yes, they have mtgs. in the home like Jesus had a mtg. in a home which actually the one they take for an example was a Passover meal.....and the establishment of the Eucharist...and Jesus did send his Apostles out 2x2 into all of Judea in Matt. 10 to tell the Judeans that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. But I suppose it can't go any further because that's what the 2x2s have proclaimed is their priority and it all stops at Matt. 10! So the point is that we're going to have our conversations picked clean and perhaps that is a good thing for if the conversation stands after such handling, then it is good and if it doesn't stand maybe the person who wrote it will learn something new for that day? "Truths" are what's left when the "picking clean" is done. "Faith" works best when the core of a matter is not adequately in sight.
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