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Post by rational on Apr 11, 2014 17:29:21 GMT -5
What did you say to the worker, Bob? Well, I said a lot. And it took 8 days to get it all done. Four or 5 months later she wrote a letter and suggested she could come and "help" us, so I wrote her a 2 page letter explaining what she would have to deal with if she were serious about helping, gently explained that I would understand if she felt incapable of dealing with it -- and the only thing we heard from her since was a sympathy card 4 months after than when my mother in law died, with the new workers list and Bible Study List enclosed. Apologize for something -- not on your life. This is what is needed. People standing up for themselves and others will certainly get the point across.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2014 17:30:03 GMT -5
You're not off the hook Rational. "Spiritual bullying" is often code for "moral bullying" In our church some might feel "spiritually" bullied for something that the "bully" feels is moral. Only the one bullied might not concede it's a moral issue because he or she takes their moral cues from a different set of values, ie outside the church. An example of "moral bullying" is when a vegan treats you, a meat eater, with disgust. Or you have a bad name and people cross the street to avoid you. Or you are now told you cannot smoke 10m from from any building entrance (as is happening now in Australia.) What do you mean - moral bullying. There's no such thing as moral bullying. All bullying is IMORAL. Moral has nothing to do with spiritual -- in fact, spiritual frequently promotes bullying. And by the way, if you can't understand the morality of not smoking within 10 m of a doorway, then you may need a lesson in the effects of second hand smoke.
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Post by rational on Apr 11, 2014 17:42:32 GMT -5
You're not off the hook Rational. "Spiritual bullying" is often code for "moral bullying" Does it really make a difference? That would mean that the victim thinks that the offender somehow had a superior moral code. How could that be? I am having a difficult time understanding why this would be of any concern to the omnivore.If you have really done something wrong then they may have reason. If not it is all on them and you can just keep on walking.Hate to say it but this sounds good to me although when it was put to a vote here I voted not to restrict people's rights.
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 17:45:03 GMT -5
Rational ~ It looks like the "automatic editor" on TMB is at it again scrambling my posts according to my last posting on this thread? Is there a cure for this strange occurrence? Looks to me like everything is working exactly as expected. What did you think was the error? Every time I spelled the author's name to the book or provided a link, it changed Asweet thinger to something entirely different. Just check out the post before this one for an illustration of how scrambled it became?
Well, by jolly, it did it again after I posted my last response to you as well. LOL
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2014 17:50:17 GMT -5
I am guessing your husband once professed? It's none of my business, so no need to reply about your situation, but I notice a lot of posts from ex 2x2 who did not join another church, but lost all belief in god. I wonder if this is common, or are atheist just more frequent posters? I think more stayed in the Christian religion and just sought out another church. At least that what I have seen on here and TLC when I was there. People like dmg and I went to no belief in God and no other religion. Rational has never had a belief in God even though he grew up in a professing family. Some of us are agnostic and others atheist. I usually rank myself as agnostic because I don't know if their is an intelligence that somehow has any say over what we see, but I definitely don't believe it's the Christian God or any of the Gods of the various religions I have studied. So that's my view on it anyway. This is just my opinion. I don't think most people who leave the 2x2s go to another "Christian" congregation, except for two reasons: either they marry someone of another congregation, or they are still of the mindset that Christianity is the only and necessary path to a saved eternity. I cannot think of another reason to go that route. I consider myself more fortunate than most others who have left, because I had ready access to an excellent "non-theological" scholarly religious education. It had nothing whatsoever to do with trashing religion (quite the opposite much of the time). What it did do is allow me to discover that nothing about any religion has anything to do with what I expect from a religion.
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Post by rational on Apr 11, 2014 18:00:48 GMT -5
Looks to me like everything is working exactly as expected. What did you think was the error? Every time I spelled the author's name to the book or provided a link, it changed Asweet thinger to something entirely different. Just check out the post before this one for an illustration of how scrambled it became? :D
Well, by jolly, it did it again after I posted my last response to you as well. LOL
You could complain to the Admin that you do not think the word tw at should be censored and replaced with "sweet thing" (A twater).
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 18:03:47 GMT -5
Bob shared...
Bob ~ Just speaking for myself here, too, it took me quite some time to get to the place I could trust other churches after being so disappointed with what I saw demonstrated within the 2x2's for such a long time that really turned me off land led to total burn out. When I left, I could have easily become an atheist/agnostic just like my husband had done in 1981 after leaving. However, I still believed in a Creator God, even though I had lost some trust in His guidance "into all Truth" after my 2x2 experience. It was about 6 months afterwards before I even thought about checking out other churches and about 8 years after leaving the 2x2's that I found a church that suited me well enough to join. I had checked out a few churches along the way, but found none that suited me that well. I wasn't looking for another "one and only way." I was just looking for a good Bible-based church with expository teaching and members who gave me the impression of being genuine in their spiritual walk. I also wanted a church where I could feel accepted for who I am and serve in some useful way within the congregation. My present church seemingly fit the bill for me back in March 2003 and I still enjoy the worship and sermons I hear on Sunday Morning.
www.lifepointchurch.org/smyrna
I've learned so much since joining this church body and made so many good friends over the years. It surely made up for all the disappointment I felt with the Truth fellowship and their form of relating to one another on a surface level. Most of the friends I did make in the 2x2's over my 30 years of involvement are now ex-2x2's themselves or people living on the fringes and more "out than inside the group."
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 19:18:25 GMT -5
Walker ~ I take it that was some friend named Brandon just got axed by the workers and that was their only reason for the visit? How plain and simple their message becomes when the workers have decided you have to go from their midst because you don't accept the opinions of God's anointed in your midst ~ even when their teachings aren't even supported by scripture?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 20:12:50 GMT -5
What do you mean - moral bullying. There's no such thing as moral bullying. All bullying is IMORAL. Moral has nothing to do with spiritual -- in fact, spiritual frequently promotes bullying.
And by the way, if you can't understand the morality of not smoking within 10 m of a doorway, then you may need a lesson in the effects of second hand smoke.
"Bullying" and "immoral" need to be rigorously defined before one seriously attends to this thread. People who smoke feeling they are being "bullied" by wowsers and moralists. For them its not enough they have to smoke outside, but now people are telling them they can't smoke outside. They sometimes say (quite rightly) this is a slippery slope argument for government to gain greater powers over people's lives - in the name of second or third hand smoking.
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Post by ellie on Apr 11, 2014 20:41:31 GMT -5
There is still an undercurrent of bullying with regards to the role of women among the F&W. Mainly it comes from the sister workers and sometimes the older women. Many seem to have this fixation that women should be cooking up roast dinners rather than be out working. Little do they realise that for some (myself included) working contributes to the marriage in a far more practical way than cooking roast dinners could. So there's these little comments and questions with underlying hints. How many days/hours are you working? Strange questions re looking after (aka mothering) husbands. Fortunately my other half refuted the last direct hint I received from a sister worker. This was in front of the meeting crowd. Sometimes it honestly feels like I need to come prepared with a memorised list of rebuttals around some of the older sister workers. As for stopping the bullying whether spiritual or otherwise most sensible people stop once their argument or comments are refuted once. (For me it's been a different sister worker every time making the silly comments) Ellie ~ In the case of older sister workers doing this bullying, my guess is that their younger companions get far worse treatment due to the close proximity they must keep with their companions. Perhaps that's a good reason why some younger workers get burned out early on the work and leave not only the work but the 2x2 fellowship as well?
Most likely the poor younger companions cop a lot of nonsense. I know of an ex worker (male) not ex fellowship though who says he left the work because of bullying. Rather than alter his ways, and learn some new behaviours, the bully has been shipped overseas. There was a time in my life when I had to return to work out of necessity due to my husband's job disappearing within a severe economic recession back in 1981. He had to go back to school for 3-1/2 years to re-train in another field and I returned to work with three small children ~ 4 years, 2 years, and a baby of 8 months. It wasn't what I would have chosen for myself, but it was a necessity to survive in that economy back in time. Regardless of the circumstances, the workers and friends really "raked us over the coals" for that decision and my husband ended up leaving the 2x2's shortly afterwards with 10 years invested in the fellowship. I stayed around for another 14 years, but got the "cold shoulder" treatment for many of those years due to a divided home. When I finally left the fellowship out of total burn-out, after one Sunday morning service without giving notice to anybody, I was never even contacted afterwards to see if I was still in the land of the living or why I wasn't in meeting.
The friends and workers did a great job of convincing me by their lack of concern, through their silent actions, that they really didn't care about our family after all. So, when I moved on with my life and eventually found a new church home a few years down the road, I never regretted my choice in leaving the F&W's ~ in fact, I wish I had done it a whole lot sooner!
That would be incredibly difficult with 3 small children. Your situation should have been an opportunity for support, not criticism. Our elder’s wife sometimes gives the rest of the church meals to reheat during the week, that kind of thing. If any of us are not around for a few weeks we get a phone call, and it always feels genuine rather than nosy. That’s how a fellowship should be. I’m so sorry to hear how you were treated. The way you and your family were treated is not acceptable. Totally makes sense that you’ve not regretted leaving.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2014 20:45:38 GMT -5
Every time I spelled the author's name to the book or provided a link, it changed Asweet thinger to something entirely different. Just check out the post before this one for an illustration of how scrambled it became?
Well, by jolly, it did it again after I posted my last response to you as well. LOL
You could complain to the Admin that you do not think the word tw at should be censored and replaced with "sweet thing" (A twater). What's wrong with the word sweet thing. My horth doeth that all the time and I like it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2014 20:49:28 GMT -5
What do you mean - moral bullying. There's no such thing as moral bullying. All bullying is IMORAL. Moral has nothing to do with spiritual -- in fact, spiritual frequently promotes bullying.
And by the way, if you can't understand the morality of not smoking within 10 m of a doorway, then you may need a lesson in the effects of second hand smoke.
"Bullying" and "immoral" need to be rigorously defined before one seriously attends to this thread. People who smoke feeling they are being "bullied" by wowsers and moralists. For them its not enough they have to smoke outside, but now people are telling them they can't smoke outside. They sometimes say (quite rightly) this is a slippery slope argument for government to gain greater powers over people's lives - in the name of second or third hand smoking. I think the rigorous definition of "moral" is what you're missing. True, everyone has the right to smoke -- but that doesn't mean they have a right to subject anyone else to its dangers. That is the rigorous definition of "moral". Are you a smoker?
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Post by ellie on Apr 11, 2014 20:50:03 GMT -5
There is still an undercurrent of bullying with regards to the role of women among the F&W. Mainly it comes from the sister workers and sometimes the older women. Many seem to have this fixation that women should be cooking up roast dinners rather than be out working. Little do they realise that for some (myself included) working contributes to the marriage in a far more practical way than cooking roast dinners could. So there's these little comments and questions with underlying hints. How many days/hours are you working? Strange questions re looking after (aka mothering) husbands. Fortunately my other half refuted the last direct hint I received from a sister worker. This was in front of the meeting crowd. Sometimes it honestly feels like I need to come prepared with a memorised list of rebuttals around some of the older sister workers. As for stopping the bullying whether spiritual or otherwise most sensible people stop once their argument or comments are refuted once. (For me it's been a different sister worker every time making the silly comments) Ellie, Interesting comments. We know an older gal who never married, never made a large amount of money, and most of the gents who have eyed her, made comments they would much prefer a working mate than a home mate. Working is probably one of the activities that help make a well rounded person. A cleaner can be hired and precooked meals can be bought.
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Post by snow on Apr 11, 2014 20:53:18 GMT -5
Rational ~ It looks like the "automatic editor" on TMB is at it again scrambling my posts according to my last posting on this thread? Is there a cure for this strange occurrence? P.M.H. A twater
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 21:00:09 GMT -5
What do you mean - moral bullying. There's no such thing as moral bullying. All bullying is IMORAL. Moral has nothing to do with spiritual -- in fact, spiritual frequently promotes bullying.
And by the way, if you can't understand the morality of not smoking within 10 m of a doorway, then you may need a lesson in the effects of second hand smoke.
"Bullying" and "immoral" need to be rigorously defined before one seriously attends to this thread. People who smoke feeling they are being "bullied" by wowsers and moralists. For them its not enough they have to smoke outside, but now people are telling them they can't smoke outside. They sometimes say (quite rightly) this is a slippery slope argument for government to gain greater powers over people's lives - in the name of second or third hand smoking. I think the rigorous definition of "moral" is what you're missing. True, everyone has the right to smoke -- but that doesn't mean they have a right to subject anyone else to its dangers. That is the rigorous definition of "moral". Are you a smoker? Bert ~ Back in my professing days, smoking wasn't allowed among the friends. Have they lightened up on this unwritten rule, too? BTW, are you a smoker yourself perhaps? Your post seems to give that impression?
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 21:35:35 GMT -5
Ellie ~ In the case of older sister workers doing this bullying, my guess is that their younger companions get far worse treatment due to the close proximity they must keep with their companions. Perhaps that's a good reason why some younger workers get burned out early on the work and leave not only the work but the 2x2 fellowship as well?
There was a time in my life when I had to return to work out of necessity due to my husband's job disappearing within a severe economic recession back in 1981. He had to go back to school for 3-1/2 years to re-train in another field and I returned to work with three small children ~ 4 years, 2 years, and a baby of 8 months. It wasn't what I would have chosen for myself, but it was a necessity to survive in that economy back in time. Regardless of the circumstances, the workers and friends really "raked us over the coals" for that decision and my husband ended up leaving the 2x2's shortly afterwards with 10 years invested in the fellowship. I stayed around for another 14 years, but got the "cold shoulder" treatment for many of those years due to a divided home. When I finally left the fellowship out of total burn-out, after one Sunday morning service without giving notice to anybody, I was never even contacted afterwards to see if I was still in the land of the living or why I wasn't in meeting.
The friends and workers did a great job of convincing me by their lack of concern, through their silent actions, that they really didn't care about our family after all. So, when I moved on with my life and eventually found a new church home a few years down the road, I never regretted my choice in leaving the F&W's ~ in fact, I wish I had done it a whole lot sooner!
That would be incredibly difficult with 3 small children. Your situation should have been an opportunity for support, not criticism. Our elder’s wife sometimes gives the rest of the church meals to reheat during the week, that kind of thing. If any of us are not around for a few weeks we get a phone call, and it always feels genuine rather than nosy. That’s how a fellowship should be. I’m so sorry to hear how you were treated. The way you and your family were treated is not acceptable. Totally makes sense that you’ve not regretted leaving. Ellie ~ Yes, it was very difficult and especially with two young toddlers and an 8 month old baby at the time. If it could have been avoided in any way, I probably would have welcomed the opportunity. Unfortunately, nothing else opened up for my husband regardless how many applications he put in for work, until we finally decided upon our course of action. The jobs just weren't available in his line of work and his Union background from the NE didn't help matters either. Therefore, he really needed to go back to school and re-train in another field altogether.
Things somehow worked out for me as far as getting a good babysitter for the kids and we shared a car when he attended college in Nashville. We had some savings even after buying our home due to the difference in cost of living and prices of homes between the New England area and down South. My husband dropped me off at work and picked me up in the evening after classes. We did this for about 3-1/2 years until he finished his degree going full time year around. I had been out of the work force for about 5 years, but when I started applying for jobs, I got one right away with the Federal Gov't in Nashville, working for the Veterans Administration. In fact, I worked there until I retired in 2001 along with my husband that same year. I enjoyed working FT at a local business nearby my home for the next 5 years and then started babysitting my grandkids FT when the babies came along.
Things did work out for the better for us economically over the years that followed, but my social life I enjoyed in the past really suffered from a divided home. We were totally left out of the loop among the friends in our area as far as any get togethers. So, to remedy the situation, I made new friends outside the faith and they are faithful friends of ours to this day. Some of them were in other churches and that also helped me to see what fine Christians they were outside of any "one and only" group. Perhaps that's what got me thinking about the wrongness of such an exclusive doctrine that damns anybody to a lost eternity that doesn't belong to their little clique. That part about the 2x2's never sat well with me from the very beginning. Also, the longer I professed, the more I detested that reality! What really surprises me today is that I actually lasted 30 years before I "threw in the towel" and decided I had enough of the Truth fellowship.
It sounds like you have a nice little meeting where you live and that is a real blessing! We also had a nice group for meeting back home in Connecticut and I really missed them after we left the Northeast. They acted like real friends to us and I valued their friendship very much. Unfortunately, others didn't feel the same way about us down here, so things seemingly changed for the worse after our move.
I do realize there are a few within the fellowship who are really fine people and not so exclusive and condemning of others. However, they are in the minority and that's truly the sad part about it. That's why I had no regrets in leaving and only wished I had made up my mind to do that sooner rather than later. However, I learned my lesson well from what I experienced and I believe it made me so much more appreciative of the life I enjoy now and my church home.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 21:42:07 GMT -5
Who said "the price of democracy is eternal vigilance."?
This is what they mean IMO -
We have freedom of speech and behavior. But... someone takes offense at certain actions and sayings, others agree - and we crimp speech and behavior, just a bit. But we have changed our laws governing speech and behavior, just a bit. And given power to lobbies, politicians, social activists - just a bit. And we have created whole industries/organisations/lobbies who want to stay relevant, important and of course, paid.
That's what has happened to the anti-smoking lobby in Australia. They have given government extra powers over corporate law (ie labeling or branding, advertising control etc.) and even small shop owners (what you can and can't put where and when on your shelves etc..)
Well, we don't like smoking but we have to do what we have to do...
Now government has powers it never had before. Where can they be used next? And well paid lobbyist need a new whipping boy....
So the employees and beneficiaries of the anti-smoking lobby have started on alcohol consumption (despite being historically low) and the food industry.
No problem? Are more taxes and more powers to government a problem?
So in the end, the people who rage against government control over their lives might not realize that the politicians who ban them from riding their horse because it is dangerous/unethical/doesn't comply with local/state/federal/UN conventions on transport/animal welfare/safety requirements might not realize their own role in starting this whole ball rolling in the first place.
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Post by xna on Apr 11, 2014 21:48:27 GMT -5
That would be incredibly difficult with 3 small children. Your situation should have been an opportunity for support, not criticism. Our elder’s wife sometimes gives the rest of the church meals to reheat during the week, that kind of thing. If any of us are not around for a few weeks we get a phone call, and it always feels genuine rather than nosy. That’s how a fellowship should be. I’m so sorry to hear how you were treated. The way you and your family were treated is not acceptable. Totally makes sense that you’ve not regretted leaving. Ellie ~ Yes, it was very difficult and especially with two young toddlers and an 8 month old baby at the time. If it could have been avoided in any way, I probably would have welcomed the opportunity. Unfortunately, nothing else opened up for my husband regardless how many applications he put in for work, until we finally decided upon our course of action. The jobs just weren't available in his line of work and his Union background from the NE didn't help matters either. Therefore, he really needed to go back to school and re-train in another field altogether.
Things somehow worked out for me as far as getting a good babysitter for the kids and we shared a car when he attended college in Nashville. We had some savings even after buying our home due to the difference in cost of living and prices of homes between the New England area and down South. My husband dropped me off at work and picked me up in the evening after classes. We did this for about 3-1/2 years until he finished his degree going full time year around. I had been out of the work force for about 5 years, but when I started applying for jobs, I got one right away with the Federal Gov't in Nashville, working for the Veterans Administration. In fact, I worked there until I retired in 2001 along with my husband that same year. I enjoyed working FT at a local business nearby my home for the next 5 years and then started babysitting my grandkids FT when the babies came along.
Things did work out for the better for us economically over the years that followed, but my social life I enjoyed in the past really suffered from a divided home. We were totally left out of the loop among the friends in our area as far as any get togethers. So, to remedy the situation, I made new friends outside the faith and they are faithful friends of ours to this day. Some of them were in other churches and that also helped me to see what fine Christians they were outside of any "one and only" group. Perhaps that's what got me thinking about the wrongness of such an exclusive doctrine that damns anybody to a lost eternity that doesn't belong to their little clique. That part about the 2x2's never sat well with me from the very beginning. Also, the longer I professed, the more I detested that reality! What really surprises me today is that I actually lasted 30 years before I "threw in the towel" and decided I had enough of the Truth fellowship.
It sounds like you have a nice little meeting where you live and that is a real blessing! We also had a nice group for meeting back home in Connecticut and I really missed them after we left the Northeast. They acted like real friends to us and I valued their friendship very much. Unfortunately, others didn't feel the same way about us down here, so things seemingly changed for the worse after our move.
I do realize there are a few within the fellowship who are really fine people and not so exclusive and condemning of others. However, they are in the minority and that's truly the sad part about it. That's why I had no regrets in leaving and only wished I had made up my mind to do that sooner rather than later. However, I learned my lesson well from what I experienced and I believe it made me so much more appreciative of the life I enjoy now and my church home.
I too am sorry for how you were treated. You have done well to recover and find happiness. It's been a long time since I professed, but I found the friends to be really good people. I can't say I ever had a bad experience with the workers either. We were both young, and lived a sheltered life. My problem was with the coverup of the 2x2 origins. I thought I was special, chosen to hear the one true religion, from the beginning all the way direct to me.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2014 22:14:29 GMT -5
You could complain to the Admin that you do not think the word tw at should be censored and replaced with "sweet thing" (A twater). What's wrong with the word sweet thing. My horth doeth that all the time and I like it. I didn't thay it that way, did I?
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Post by xna on Apr 11, 2014 22:19:28 GMT -5
I think the rigorous definition of "moral" is what you're missing. True, everyone has the right to smoke -- but that doesn't mean they have a right to subject anyone else to its dangers. That is the rigorous definition of "moral". Are you a smoker? Bert ~ Back in my professing days, smoking wasn't allowed among the friends. Have they lightened up on this unwritten rule, too? BTW, are you a smoker yourself perhaps? Your post seems to give that impression?
The good old days
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 22:24:22 GMT -5
Thank you, Xna, for your comments to my post! You were fortunate to have enjoyed better days within the fellowship when young and professing. Actually, I enjoyed my times with the friends in meetings and get-togethers back home in Connecticut in years past and we often have friends for gatherings in our home. However, that all changed when we moved South. If it wasn't for that fact, I probably would be still professing today. However, the news of the cover-up of the original history going back to William Irvine wouldn't have set well with me either and probably would have contributed to me leaving at a later date? I didn't learn about that fact until two years after I had left the 2x2's and was attending another church with my kids.
None of my children were particularly attracted to the 2x2's due to all the dress requirements for the young and those silly unwritten rules. I'm really grateful for that fact and to see them with kids of their own today and in a healthy church setting where they live. Finding a church fellowship that really feels like a good fit is rather hard today. It took me years to find one that suited my personality and was what I was looking for in a church home. I wasn't one for settling for anything less until I discovered what I was seeking for all along. No doubt that would have also contributed to me leaving the 2x2's over time, too?
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 22:31:52 GMT -5
Bert ~ Back in my professing days, smoking wasn't allowed among the friends. Have they lightened up on this unwritten rule, too? BTW, are you a smoker yourself perhaps? Your post seems to give that impression?
The good old days Xna ~ Was that a candy cigarette in that picture with your kids or a real one to get a reaction? Honestly, I can remember my Dad making one of my brothers smoke a whole pack of cigarettes at one time when they were caught smoking as teenagers and that cured them for years afterwards. He never had to do that we me, as I never took to a liking to cigarettes growing up. I also tried them as kids with other kids, but never liked the taste and decided it just wasn't for me after all. However, that was back when cigarettes were around 25 cents a pack ~ the good ole' days, as you called them, without all the "cancer warnings" on the side of the pack.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2014 23:26:11 GMT -5
Xna ~ Was that a candy cigarette in that picture with your kids or a real one to get a reaction? Honestly, I can remember my Dad making one of my brothers smoke a whole pack of cigarettes at one time when they were caught smoking as teenagers and that cured them for years afterwards. He never had to do that we me, as I never took to a liking to cigarettes growing up. I also tried them as kids with other kids, but never liked the taste and decided it just wasn't for me after all. However, that was back when cigarettes were around 25 cents a pack ~ the good ole' days, as you called them, without all the "cancer warnings" on the side of the pack. I had this aunt who was, how shall I put it, super holy. Anyway, she caught me and my brother with candy cigarettes one day and did she give us a chewing out. Come to think about it, everything we learned was forbidden came from her -- like our parents didn't know how to give us guidance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 18:18:18 GMT -5
Spiritual bullies are sick in the head and they won't YOU to share their misery. They aren't kind, sweet and loving. Nope. Stand up to them, if you are still in the meetings. And if someone else in your meeting is being bullied, don't stand by and say nothing.
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Post by ellie on Apr 17, 2014 23:07:47 GMT -5
Working is probably one of the activities that help make a well rounded person. A cleaner can be hired and precooked meals can be bought. Ellie, All be tellin her to get her to get off her buttocks and get a good paying job since it sounds like it is better to be a working woman, not a home lady. It would much prefer someone home with the children. JMT Not sure I understand you humdidee. Being a mother probably counts for working about two jobs IMO. Maybe that's twice as well rounded . Staying home as a childless person just to cook and clean for your husband or the workers. - Don't get me started.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 8:50:16 GMT -5
Spiritual bullies are sick in the head and they won't YOU to share their misery. They aren't kind, sweet and loving. Nope. Stand up to them, if you are still in the meetings. And if someone else in your meeting is being bullied, don't stand by and say nothing. Bullies are actually quite fearful people and will definitely run for the hills when someone stands up to them. Unfortunately, bullies troll around for victims with a personality that is gentle and less likely to stand up against them. I would suggest that people who don't fear bullies should also watch for bullying of other people and be prepared to confront the bully.
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