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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 15, 2014 15:12:55 GMT -5
So there are not some atheists who think irrationally, dmg? It is only religion that does that? Do no atheists on this board think irrationally? I think it was rational thinking that made them atheists. Ah, Thank you, Bob!
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Post by fixit on Aug 15, 2014 16:45:05 GMT -5
The US, UK and Australia dropped supplies, and US air strikes drove the jihadists back which allowed the Kurds to rescue most of the Yazidis. US leadership is usually necessary to get things done, but many other countries are following with assistance, including Canada:
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Post by snow on Aug 15, 2014 17:28:40 GMT -5
The US, UK and Australia dropped supplies, and US air strikes drove the jihadists back which allowed the Kurds to rescue most of the Yazidis. US leadership is usually necessary to get things done, but many other countries are following with assistance, including Canada: You'll be happy to know he also supports Israel.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2014 17:30:55 GMT -5
Fact is, the US abandoned any effort to rescue the Yazizi in Iraq -- because they found the numbers were far fewer than the 10,000 supposed to be in danger, and the conditions not severe enough to warrant US intervention in their rescue. Kurd have helped them walk to safer environments. So now, the innocents in Gaza? Do we have them all rescued yet? My brother in law says they are all hanging out in the classy malls in Gaza dolling because Hamas blew up their houses. The US, UK and Australia dropped supplies, and US air strikes drove the jihadists back which allowed the Kurds to rescue most of the Yazidis. There are innocents in every conflict. When the Gaza leadership comes to understand that firing rockets into Israel only causes them grief, then the rebuilding will start, and international donors will fund it. As the merry-go-round turns.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2014 17:36:08 GMT -5
The US, UK and Australia dropped supplies, and US air strikes drove the jihadists back which allowed the Kurds to rescue most of the Yazidis. US leadership is usually necessary to get things done, but many other countries are following with assistance, including Canada: So let's all genuflect !!! Come on, snow, get down on your knees and thank the Americans for your telling you what to do and how to do it. Fixit -- has anyone ever told you what flag flies over the Canadian Parliament Building on the two-dollar bill, now replaced by the toonie?
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Post by snow on Aug 15, 2014 18:08:12 GMT -5
Bob, in this case fixit is probably right. Stephen Harper is a follower of anything the States does as long as it reflects his Christian beliefs. I have never seen anyone support the States like he does. First thing he did when he got into power was change our military from peace keepers, to fighters so he could support the States in Afghanistan. Brought down the respect the world had for Canada as peace makers in one swift blow. He is definitely not my favorite person. Anyone who thinks Bush was right has lost all my respect. I am hoping that in the next election he is gone. He is a control freak and has done Canada way more harm then good.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 15, 2014 19:01:32 GMT -5
US leadership is usually necessary to get things done, but many other countries are following with assistance, including Canada: I wonder if the reason that it takes the US to get things done in the world just happens to be because we have more munitions, money etc. ?
However, in other cases not at all humanitarian, like W. Bush invading another country like Iraq -is the S.O.B. factor. The US isn't the only S.O.B country in the world, but our status as the biggest S.O.B at times overrules every other country.
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Post by rational on Aug 15, 2014 19:25:55 GMT -5
Fixit -- has anyone ever told you what flag flies over the Canadian Parliament Building on the two-dollar bill, now replaced by the toonie? The Red Ensign?
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Post by xna on Aug 15, 2014 20:34:55 GMT -5
Religious Persecution, religious cleansing, read Deuteronomy Chapter 13
Reads like current Middle East news.
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Post by snow on Aug 15, 2014 20:41:09 GMT -5
Religious Persecution, religious cleansing, read Deuteronomy Chapter 13 Reads like current Middle East news. They seem to be taking the OT very seriously.
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Post by xna on Aug 15, 2014 20:49:54 GMT -5
Religious Persecution, religious cleansing, read Deuteronomy Chapter 13 Reads like current Middle East news. They seem to be taking the OT very seriously. What the bible teaches in Deuteronomy Chapter 13 is very much like what is going on now in Islam. Most Christians and Jews today act more moral than their scriptures. This same reform needs to happen with Islam. I suspect they too will rise above the teaching of their holy books.
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Post by snow on Aug 15, 2014 21:04:38 GMT -5
They seem to be taking the OT very seriously. What the bible teaches in Deuteronomy Chapter 13 is very much like what is going on now in Islam. Most Christians and Jews today act more moral than their scriptures. This same reform needs to happen with Islam. I suspect they too will rise above the teaching of their holy books. Yes, I have thought the same thing. For many years the Christian church was pretty horrific in their conversion techniques. Now it's Islam and hopefully they will rise above the teachings, but if it goes for as many years as it did for the Christians, we've a few to go before it gets better.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2014 21:14:59 GMT -5
Fixit -- has anyone ever told you what flag flies over the Canadian Parliament Building on the two-dollar bill, now replaced by the toonie? The Red Ensign? Shhh! Let's see if fixit knows what the "Patriot" American sees !!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2014 21:17:12 GMT -5
Bob, in this case fixit is probably right. Stephen Harper is a follower of anything the States does as long as it reflects his Christian beliefs. I have never seen anyone support the States like he does. First thing he did when he got into power was change our military from peace keepers, to fighters so he could support the States in Afghanistan. Brought down the respect the world had for Canada as peace makers in one swift blow. He is definitely not my favorite person. Anyone who thinks Bush was right has lost all my respect. I am hoping that in the next election he is gone. He is a control freak and has done Canada way more harm then good. Well Mr. Harper, yes. I suppose if he had his way he'd have Bush 43 on the loonie and Reagan on the toonie.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2014 21:18:04 GMT -5
Religious Persecution, religious cleansing, read Deuteronomy Chapter 13 Reads like current Middle East news. They seem to be taking the OT very seriously. Sharia law by any other name .......
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2014 23:16:46 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Aug 16, 2014 6:11:51 GMT -5
How can Israel negotiate with a terror organization who vows to wipe Israel off the map?
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Post by fixit on Aug 16, 2014 6:20:07 GMT -5
The Palestinian Authority recognizes Israel internationally, but tells its own people that Israel has no right to exist.
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Post by rational on Aug 16, 2014 8:24:36 GMT -5
Religious Persecution, religious cleansing, read Deuteronomy Chapter 13 Reads like current Middle East news. They seem to be taking the OT very seriously. Especially if it supports their current agenda.
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Post by snow on Aug 16, 2014 17:57:14 GMT -5
They seem to be taking the OT very seriously. Especially if it supports their current agenda. Yes, but all sides seem to that to some extent. Pick and choose which verses to persecute the 'others' with. As long as God justifies it, it's okay I suppose.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 16, 2014 18:31:42 GMT -5
How can Israel negotiate with a terror organization who vows to wipe Israel off the map? Because Israel holds to the morality that killing the enemies of God's chosen people is a virtue. They're first cousins with two stubborn philosophies that are identical. Their great great grandfathers were twin brothers and Jacob won by .... (make it righteous and moral now....) FRAUD.
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Post by rational on Aug 16, 2014 20:43:58 GMT -5
How can Israel negotiate with a terror organization who vows to wipe Israel off the map? Because Israel holds to the morality that killing the enemies of God's chosen people is a virtue. They're first cousins with two stubborn philosophies that are identical. Their great great grandfathers were twin brothers and Jacob won by .... (make it righteous and moral now....) FRAUD.This reminds me of a line from the US version of The Office: Jim is my enemy. But it turns out that Jim is also his own worst enemy. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So Jim, is actually my friend. But, because he is his own worst enemy, the enemy of my friend is my enemy so actually Jim is my enemy.
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Post by snow on Aug 16, 2014 21:02:43 GMT -5
Is that anything like 'if oil is made from decomposed dinosaurs, and plastic is made from oil, are plastic dinosaurs made from real dinosaurs?'
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Post by Mary on Aug 17, 2014 0:29:51 GMT -5
I've taken a few days to respond to this only reading it from my phone until now.
We have been down this road before. Muslims do not get their killings from the Old Testament of the Bible as you state Bob. They do not believe the Bible but say the Jews altered it to suit their own purposes. Muslims do not read the Bible and many would not even touch it especially Fundamentalist Muslims. Muslims have nothing to do with the Bible and most do not know what is in it.
Islam's killing is not new. It has been happening from when Mohammad started the religion. It has always been a religion of killing the infidels. Like I said a few weeks ago, Islam spread by the sword. Killing men and taking their wives, killing and taking taxes from those who would not convert and all that is happening today started when Islam was started by their founder. Mohammad also took a Jewish woman for his wife whose men had killed her husband. It is not, and never has been a religion of peace. But many Muslims are peaceful people. To say Muslims got their killing from the Bible is not true. Yes, Mohammad got taught the Bible but there is nothing in the New Testament about killing those who did not convert, take their money, or wives. Christians follow the New Testament teachings and do not believe in the killings etc. Who are the conscientious objectors? Christians or atheists. My experience has been that it is Christians.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 17, 2014 1:43:23 GMT -5
I've taken a few days to respond to this only reading it from my phone until now. We have been down this road before. Muslims do not get their killings from the Old Testament of the Bible as you state Bob. They do not believe the Bible but say the Jews altered it to suit their own purposes. Muslims do not read the Bible and many would not even touch it especially Fundamentalist Muslims. Muslims have nothing to do with the Bible and most do not know what is in it. Islam's killing is not new. It has been happening from when Mohammad started the religion. It has always been a religion of killing the infidels. Like I said a few weeks ago, Islam spread by the sword. Killing men and taking their wives, killing and taking taxes from those who would not convert and all that is happening today started when Islam was started by their founder. Mohammad also took a Jewish woman for his wife whose men had killed her husband. It is not, and never has been a religion of peace. But many Muslims are peaceful people. To say Muslims got their killing from the Bible is not true. Yes, Mohammad got taught the Bible but there is nothing in the New Testament about killing those who did not convert, take their money, or wives. Christians follow the New Testament teachings and do not believe in the killings etc. Who are the conscientious objectors? Christians or atheists. My experience has been that it is Christians. Yes, Mary. We've heard that before. But I know, and you should too, that what Muslims do and what Islam teaches are not the same thing not at all. It's just especially convenient for Christians to be told that such killing doesn't come from the OT, because Christians want to think they own the OT. Interestingly Jews don't deny it. And it isn't news to the Muslims that the Jews "edited" the OT -- Christians haven't caught on to that yet, but the Muslims are right in that respect. But the Jews did their editing nearly a millennia before the Muslims branched off from Judaism and Christianity. Anything they got from the OT came from the revised version of the OT. Anyway, so what if Muslims say they didn't get their stonings from the OT or not -- you believe everything they tell you? They're like Christians -- they haven't got any more clues about where Islam came from than Christians know about where Christianity came from.
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Post by Rob Sargison on Aug 17, 2014 5:19:44 GMT -5
I wonder among the tenets and maxims of atheism is there a concept of self-righteousness? No. No I guess there isn't.
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Post by Rob Sargison on Aug 17, 2014 5:25:29 GMT -5
Because Israel holds to the morality that killing the enemies of God's chosen people is a virtue. They're first cousins with two stubborn philosophies that are identical. Their great great grandfathers were twin brothers and Jacob won by .... (make it righteous and moral now....) FRAUD.This reminds me of a line from the US version of The Office: Jim is my enemy. But it turns out that Jim is also his own worst enemy. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So Jim, is actually my friend. But, because he is his own worst enemy, the enemy of my friend is my enemy so actually Jim is my enemy.
That sounds logical rational. But it's not rational.
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Post by matisse on Aug 17, 2014 10:02:57 GMT -5
Who are the conscientious objectors? Christians or atheists. My experience has been that it is Christians. Are you judging this on raw numbers or on a percentage of Christians and percentage of atheists basis? Who determines who qualifies as a Christian and who qualifies as an atheist? Until the mid-sixties in the U.S., atheists were not considered for Conscientious Objector status even if they held strong moral objections to war.
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