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Post by rational on Dec 15, 2013 12:11:24 GMT -5
Of course atheists have hope. I hope when I drive to get fuel in my car that I have not over estimated how far I can drive with the warning light on. But as the case with hope - it doesn't do any good - either I have enough fuel or I don't. Hoping doesn't change what will happen. Sure it does. No, It does not put more fuel in the tank. It is a calculation of the odds based on previous experience.Nope. If the warning light was on I would not hope I could drive 150 miles.You were, perhaps. You can hope that when you die you will go to heaven. You could also hope that one day when you open the door to your bathroom there will be a solid gold bathtub installed. Hoping will not make the bathtub appear.
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Post by sunshine on Dec 16, 2013 13:22:10 GMT -5
Gene, God is responsible for our death because he created us to die. He did not create us to live forever on this earth. dmm, the people were not responsible for the shooting, the person who shot them was. People make their own choice to go to hell. Again, people have a free will to choose while in this life where they want to go when they die. Like the Bible says, you are without excuse. I wouln't be so sure that God created us to die and not live forever. He placed Adam and Eve in the garden where they could eat freely of the tree of life and live forever....
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Post by snow on Dec 16, 2013 16:09:53 GMT -5
Mankind sure messed up God's plan then.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 16, 2013 16:35:08 GMT -5
So, isn't that the reason for religion, that theist's believe that, " Daddy will take care of all their problems, that they will be recompensed for all their sufferings here on earth (even if it will only happen after they die)? Many theists have made lemonade out lemons. How are you doing on that number? Isn't that the way EVERYONE, atheists & theists alike, make lemonade?
What else would you use besides lemons?
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Post by quizzer on Dec 17, 2013 11:35:52 GMT -5
Many theists have made lemonade out lemons. How are you doing on that number? Isn't that the way EVERYONE, atheists & theists alike, make lemonade?
What else would you use besides lemons?
Limes. It's limeade then, but quite refreshing.
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Post by Lee on Dec 20, 2013 21:11:57 GMT -5
No, It does not put more fuel in the tank. It is a calculation of the odds based on previous experience.Nope. If the warning light was on I would not hope I could drive 150 miles.You were, perhaps. You can hope that when you die you will go to heaven. You could also hope that one day when you open the door to your bathroom there will be a solid gold bathtub installed. Hoping will not make the bathtub appear. You're grounding the word 'hope' in what we do. I was grounding the word 'hope' in what God intends.
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Post by Lee on Dec 20, 2013 21:19:26 GMT -5
Many theists have made lemonade out lemons. How are you doing on that number? Isn't that the way EVERYONE, atheists & theists alike, make lemonade?
What else would you use besides lemons?
My point was that Christians live in the same world as atheists. If works are any measure of worth, Christians are doing at least as well as atheists in spite of their hope of being vindicated.
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