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Post by Admin on Jul 9, 2010 21:36:56 GMT -5
Noel Harvey
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Post by Pink on Jul 10, 2010 2:38:20 GMT -5
How old is Noel Harvey?
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Post by fred on Jul 10, 2010 4:41:33 GMT -5
Middle to late 50's i would guess.
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Post by Pink on Jul 10, 2010 4:45:52 GMT -5
hi fred. I searched wingsfortruth and I think he is around 66.
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2010 5:55:03 GMT -5
One must remember that God doesn't kill, in the sense that humans kill (commit murder or suicide). One must remember that the bible says differently. Anyone can shorten the life of another if given the opportunity. There is much more proof that a good medical person can add to the days in a person's life then there is proof that god can. This is a belief that is only supported by faith. But you know there have been cases where a person has died, at least by biblical standards, and have been brought back to life through the efforts of mere mortals. As I said. I am not sure how limited it is. Do you have an example where god did any better than man? Exactly. But the passages that show that god was not a just god are legion. The only overall indication that god is just is the statement in the bible saying "God is just".
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Post by Pink on Jul 10, 2010 7:17:00 GMT -5
Did Noel's wife stand by him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 8:55:31 GMT -5
And even if a fellowship meeting is specially tailored to accommodate this situation, what about drop-ins. Definitely a gnarly problem if the church is serious in providing spiritual support to people, especially the needy such as these kinds of offenders. Depending on the circumstances, a situation like that could be solved with a couple of elders meeting with the man for the purpose of Christian fellowship/support. In my experience, we tend to discard such people....but there's always hope for change there. The bigger problem however is the offenders you don't know about, not the ones you do know about.
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Post by sharonw on Jul 10, 2010 10:56:38 GMT -5
And even if a fellowship meeting is specially tailored to accommodate this situation, what about drop-ins. Definitely a gnarly problem if the church is serious in providing spiritual support to people, especially the needy such as these kinds of offenders. Depending on the circumstances, a situation like that could be solved with a couple of elders meeting with the man for the purpose of Christian fellowship/support. In my experience, we tend to discard such people....but there's always hope for change there. The bigger problem however is the offenders you don't know about, not the ones you do know about. It's my understanding that the mtg. regulars have to agree to allow the exconvict to be in mtg. I'm not sure what they do about drop-ins...I suppose they're given the choice to either stay or leave the mtg. But if there are children, then it would seem that the exconvict would be the one who'd have to leave since he's not allowed to be around minor children.
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2010 10:57:08 GMT -5
01.0 - No contact with any child 17 or younger------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are there any sun AM, wed night, Gospel mtgs, special mtgs or conv where there aren't any children under the age of 17? So what type of special arrangements would the faith set up under the probation rules that PM must abide by for him to get any fellowship? You might want to investigate just what this court order means. I do not believe its intent is to prevent the individual from attending, for example, a Catholic church or a shopping mall, but to prevent them from making contact with an individual, i.e, calling or texting them.
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Post by ronhall on Jul 10, 2010 15:41:08 GMT -5
Whatever the outcome, the poor fellow is socially stigmatized 'big time' -- probably for life!
I've sometimes wondered what I'd do if I were to find myself in such a situation.
With all the reporting, etc., there aren't many options.
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Post by ronhall on Jul 10, 2010 15:59:04 GMT -5
One must remember that God doesn't kill, in the sense that humans kill (commit murder or suicide). One must remember that the bible says differently. Anyone can shorten the life of another if given the opportunity. There is much more proof that a good medical person can add to the days in a person's life then there is proof that god can. This is a belief that is only supported by faith. But you know there have been cases where a person has died, at least by biblical standards, and have been brought back to life through the efforts of mere mortals. As I said. I am not sure how limited it is. Do you have an example where god did any better than man? Exactly. But the passages that show that god was not a just god are legion. The only overall indication that god is just is the statement in the bible saying "God is just". Interesting, rational (pun intended) comments. A couple of slightly irrational comments, for whatever it's worth: But you know there have been cases where a person has died, at least by biblical standards, and have been brought back to life through the efforts of mere mortals. As I said. I am not sure how limited it is. Do you have an example where god did any better than man?I'd have to take some time to get the details accurate, but Solomon's son, (was it Hezekiah?) was about to die and asked for more time and was given twelve years more? My belief about medical healing (and it could be argued it is faith driven) is that surgical removal of some body apparatus doesn't heal anything, but is merely removes something that is diseased. The body just overloads something else for awhile to compensate for the lost function. Same idea about drugs. The most crazy one is radiation therapy for cancer, understanding that gamma radiation causes cancer! Oh well! Whatever works! I guess that's rational.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2010 16:01:31 GMT -5
Whatever the outcome, the poor fellow is socially stigmatized 'big time' -- probably for life! I've sometimes wondered what I'd do if I were to find myself in such a situation. With all the reporting, etc., there aren't many options. Your life would be forever changed and you would just have to adapt to the new reality. I think if you were young enough, you might recapture a somewhat normal life in 10 or 20 years with good behaviour. It would take a lot of transparent living to rebuild a circle of friends who would engage in normal relationships with you.
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2010 16:42:50 GMT -5
I'd have to take some time to get the details accurate, but Solomon's son, (was it Hezekiah?) was about to die and asked for more time and was given twelve years more? People who have a severe case of the flu feel they are about to die. Some recover and live many years. The point is that what we have is an anecdotal story with nothing to explain what was really happening. Surgery is not always about removal. The correction of an aortic aneurysm, for example, fixes the problem. True, the correction may involve the replacement of a portion of the aorta but if that example is a problem I could use angioplasty. Yeah, crazy! Just remember that the radiation targets rapidly reproducing cells (cancer) and cells that cannot easily and quickly repair themselves (cancer). No one of age is ever forced to receive any medical treatment.
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Post by fred on Jul 11, 2010 2:45:06 GMT -5
hi fred. I searched wingsfortruth and I think he is around 66. It appears you are correct...... when in doubt do the research. (a rat quote )
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Post by fred on Jul 11, 2010 2:46:03 GMT -5
Did Noel's wife stand by him? Yes...... no research required !!
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Post by jhjmr on Jul 16, 2010 11:20:51 GMT -5
On Wings for Truth it is stated that P. M. was in Wisc. from 2002-2003. That is stated incorrectly. He was a companion of S.M. in 2003-2004. He didn't go home until 2006. I don't know his companion for 2004-2005. Maybe someone else has that information. He attended special meetings before he went home.
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Post by faune on Aug 7, 2011 20:03:56 GMT -5
4th degree CSC probably doesn't demand a psychological discovery, does it? Is n't that like a slap on the hand and then the persons name appears with everyone else's for the perception he has that tendency? Here is the relevant info from the article: As part of his probation, Mousseau must register as a sex offender and is prohibited from having contact with children, said Mecosta County Assistant Prosecutor Brian Thiede. Mousseau pleaded guilty to criminal sexual conduct in April. In accordance with a plea agreement, Mecosta County prosecutors dismissed a charge of second-degree criminal sexual conduct on Monday. Mousseau was sentenced to 4.5 months in jail, but that jail time will be suspended provided he successfully abides by the terms of his probation.
“The sentence was appropriate given the circumstances, being that he’ll be under supervision,” xxxxxx said. “That’s really my main goal; to keep society safer.” It's not clear if the prohibition on contact with children is for the probation term or for life. The probation term is long, 5 years, and I suspect it was made that long to keep him from children for 5 years. After that, who knows; it would depend on how he behaved while on probation. True pedophiles usually offend again, even with treatment. It's the nature of the beast. No doubt at least the fines and court costs will be high, but that still doesn't make up for the damage done by this pervert! For the offense, he got a real slap on the hands ~ nothing significance compared to the crime against an 11 year old girl.
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