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Post by rational on Jul 1, 2010 20:12:38 GMT -5
Rational, I will not go on and on with you as that is what you are trying to do. Big surprise there. Of course not. I pointed out what you said. You responded by trying to lie about what you said. I pointed out again what you said using your very words and now you are weaseling out of it by trying to make it look like a she-said-he-said conversation when it is simply a "This is what you posted" discussion and you simply do not have the moral fortitude to own up to the fact that you falsely accused some parents of not doing the right thing. But before you did that you had already falsely accused the parents. Without proof of any kind. And you refuse to apologize for your actions. I know what you posted and provided the appropriate parts of your posts in my response. You can apply all the spin you wish - your words stand. As it turns out, you post what you don't know and what is untrue. And it still remains that you said "Those parents failed that child immensely." There is the ignore button.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jul 1, 2010 20:54:44 GMT -5
I'm guessing you posted it about when you created the board...guess you can look up the date, if its important to you. Maybe you need to start writing down your passswords, Lin... And maybe also writing down the date you create message boards, and the link to it? And another thing: What about the CSA website you said you were going to create? That was a repeated claim you made-- about the time you discovered the WINGS website...and badly wanted it taken down, if I recall correctly... I'm guessing that Lin does not use the other message-board (i.e. he cannot remember his password there, ergo, doesn't probably log in there) and that this is a detail that is important only to you, Cherie. I also would put it to you that Lin probably does not appreciate your unsolicited advice about how to use the internet. Your remark about Lin's "repeated claims" could invite a litany from my part on your own faults over time. But what's the point? I'm hoping that few people take your moral or intellectual points to heart anymore. Thanks Jason. The reason I started that board was at that time there was no TLC and wanted to give those that wanted it a reprieve from this board. The board at that time was controlled by Cherie and her henchmen. It didn't work though because it wasn't a juicy gossip site. No need of a litany on Cherie. There are far better things to discuss.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 22:30:50 GMT -5
Why am I reminded of that Monty Python skit .. you know the one where the armless, legless knight continues to make threats? "Come back you coward I'll bite you to pieces." And why am I reminded of Monty Phython's Argument Clinic: If you haven't heard the whole thing, go find it on uTube-it's a classic. Man: An argument isn't just contradiction. Other Man: Well! it CAN be! Man: No it can't! Man: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Other Man: No it isn't! Man: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction. Other Man: Look, if I "argue" with you, I must take up a contrary position!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 22:40:54 GMT -5
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Post by What Hat on Jul 1, 2010 22:46:54 GMT -5
Definitely one of the classics along with the following: 1) the cheese shop, 2) the dead parrot (the Norwegian Blue), 3) the four yorkshiremen, 4) bruce society of australia ... well, there are lots. If you like this humour there's probably something wrong with you. ;D
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Post by kencoolidge on Jul 2, 2010 5:00:31 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Lin does not use the other message-board (i.e. he cannot remember his password there, ergo, doesn't probably log in there) and that this is a detail that is important only to you, Cherie. I also would put it to you that Lin probably does not appreciate your unsolicited advice about how to use the internet. Your remark about Lin's "repeated claims" could invite a litany from my part on your own faults over time. But what's the point? I'm hoping that few people take your moral or intellectual points to heart anymore. Thanks Jason. The reason I started that board was at that time there was no TLC and wanted to give those that wanted it a reprieve from this board. The board at that time was controlled by Cherie and her henchmen. It didn't work though because it wasn't a juicy gossip site. No need of a litany on Cherie. There are far better things to discuss. Words you live by ?
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 2, 2010 5:46:21 GMT -5
Falling off the wagon again, Lin?
Or have you also forgotten about that vow you made on TMB concerning things you post here about me?
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Post by sharonw on Jul 2, 2010 7:04:55 GMT -5
I think maybe poor dear Lin needs some help...maybe he has a bur under his saddle!
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Post by sharonw on Jul 2, 2010 7:07:44 GMT -5
gz! What do you think about having ADM to lock this thread...now that we all have drawn each other's blood and then kissed and made up...seems a good time for poor old Peter to disappear into the archives? ....he's met his sentencing.
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Post by rational on Jul 2, 2010 8:04:44 GMT -5
gz! What do you think about having ADM to lock this thread...now that we all have drawn each other's blood and then kissed and made up...seems a good time for poor old Peter to disappear into the archives? ....he's met his sentencing. Sounds like a good idea. I was hoping that we would see an apology posted but given the denial I have seen posted I doubt it will be forthcoming. And, of course, if anyone feels the need the thread could be restarted!
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jul 2, 2010 8:07:03 GMT -5
Should have been a long time ago.
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Post by Pink on Jul 2, 2010 8:36:14 GMT -5
Why wouldn't we want accuracy of information in a discussion. They used to call it integrity and credibility. Some of the very issues we discuss at this time are very serious accusations. We just came from a vacation to Maine and also visited the site of the Salem witch trials. A very sad situation where people lost their lives because of lies and untruthful accusations.We don't need that atmosphere here. Accuracy behind the shields of cloak-and-daggers of fictitious user-names? Unfortunately, the Workers happen-to-be the cornerstone and leaders of the faith, and they are not above reproach and should be held not only responsible, because of their status, but unsuspecting families should be made more aware of some of the dangers. Would I want to know of a CSA-offending Worker or one that sexually approaches my wife when I'm out making a living so I can support their lifestyle -- even if they haven't been convicted? Absolutely. The Workers have every right to come and defend themselves, if need be, they don't exist in a vacumess society with their laptops and cell phones. Of course, that would demand some 'integrity' to not only participate-or-rebuke, but to have the 'courage' to not hide behind fictitious user-names to authenticate that they are who they claim to be. Repeatedly we hear of the faith's decrease in numbers in developed countries like the U.S., my contention is 'why-not' take advantage of all those lost souls on TMB (from their perspective of exes) and use that arena as their Gospel meeting instead of spending their time secluded back in the bedroom's of their followers. Has or are there despicable events that have or are occurring inside the Truth (it's also occurring in many other faiths today) the answer is 'yes' and the distinct history of the faith has been let's play 'hide-the-pea' because they don't want any public awareness or legal scrutiny. My hopes are that they can clean-up and purge such issues and that the Truth can prosper. Very good and straightforward. Not "witchhunty" at all. Hopefully we have some workers reading on TMB and this will strike a chord in them. This is not a witchhunt and what you wrote should reveal that. It is plain and simple and is what the Lord and the Law requires from EVERYONE.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 8:48:05 GMT -5
Definitely one of the classics along with the following: 1) the cheese shop, 2) the dead parrot (the Norwegian Blue), 3) the four yorkshiremen, 4) bruce society of australia ... well, there are lots. If you like this humour there's probably something wrong with you. ;D Oh I forgot about the dead parrot...YES YES YES, there is absolutely something wrong with me cuz I do love this stuff. thanks for the reminder of these other skits. ;D
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Post by Pink on Jul 2, 2010 9:19:09 GMT -5
Besides the "sharks in a feeding frenzy" spirit of some of these posts, which I don't think fosters productive communication, my concern is the tendency of people to quote what "someone said might have happened" as "someone said it happened"--which is what I believe What and Rational were pointing out. This just happened to me Sunday, and here's the chain of events: I saw a ring on someone's hand and said to Mom "hey, I guess they're married." My Mom (me own Mum, mind you!), went to the next person and said "my daughter says they're married." I was instantly the credible source for a fact that was only speculation. Fortunately, this was all fixed quickly and no one's reputation was smeared BUT it reminded me again of the need to be careful what and how you say things when it affects other people. If anyone has ever played Telephone, you know how quickly what you said takes on a life of it's own. It is my church and I care deeply about it, and if a worker is continually behaving in a way that is unbecoming to his place, I would like that behavior stopped as it reflects badly on all of us--we are one body. But, I would like whatever discussion takes place to be respectful and loving, a discussion that promotes healing rather than creating a deeper wound.anyone reading my posts has probably figured out that my mantra is "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God." I like your post and especially what I put in "bold". While it is no longer our church for those who post on TLC, there are those we love and care about who still go to your church and our discussions are just that. "....respectful and loving, a discussion that promotes healing." I don't think this can be said enough. I just want to say that is what we want to promote here also if I can speak for the exes.....and I think I can because I am a member of TLC. A discussion board for exes. And this is how our discussions are. I know some here want to promote "hysteria" and allude to what we post on TLC....some are saying things like....I can't believe some of the things they post there.....also, alluding to the idea it is a malicious gossipy board. That is not what it is. But it is a closed board so I can't prove it. Just wanted to say hberry. We can all take heed to your very wise words.
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Post by What Hat on Jul 2, 2010 11:24:15 GMT -5
Accuracy behind the shields of cloak-and-daggers of fictitious user-names? Unfortunately, the Workers happen-to-be the cornerstone and leaders of the faith, and they are not above reproach and should be held not only responsible, because of their status, but unsuspecting families should be made more aware of some of the dangers. Would I want to know of a CSA-offending Worker or one that sexually approaches my wife when I'm out making a living so I can support their lifestyle -- even if they haven't been convicted? Absolutely. The Workers have every right to come and defend themselves, if need be, they don't exist in a vacumess society with their laptops and cell phones. Of course, that would demand some 'integrity' to not only participate-or-rebuke, but to have the 'courage' to not hide behind fictitious user-names to authenticate that they are who they claim to be. Repeatedly we hear of the faith's decrease in numbers in developed countries like the U.S., my contention is 'why-not' take advantage of all those lost souls on TMB (from their perspective of exes) and use that arena as their Gospel meeting instead of spending their time secluded back in the bedroom's of their followers. Has or are there despicable events that have or are occurring inside the Truth (it's also occurring in many other faiths today) the answer is 'yes' and the distinct history of the faith has been let's play 'hide-the-pea' because they don't want any public awareness or legal scrutiny. My hopes are that they can clean-up and purge such issues and that the Truth can prosper. Very good and straightforward. Not "witchhunty" at all. Hopefully we have some workers reading on TMB and this will strike a chord in them. This is not a witchhunt and what you wrote should reveal that. It is plain and simple and is what the Lord and the Law requires from EVERYONE. Must be some excitement going on. Here's pink. Just kidding, pink. Nice to hear from you. gz is a little edge-y there I think. I don't think that style would ever catch the ear of a worker.
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Post by jason on Jul 2, 2010 13:00:30 GMT -5
Falling off the wagon again, Lin? Or have you also forgotten about that vow you made on TMB concerning things you post here about me? Why is it your responsibility to remind Lin of vows past or present? That is for Lin and for God.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Jul 2, 2010 14:15:00 GMT -5
Sharon, does your sentiment include homosexual workers? Should they be allowed to seek love and continue in their preferred religious practice? Or is that only for heterosexuals?
"I don't think your suggestion is practical. "
What, that's just your border-line autism/anti-social self speaking out. I know how you really feel about it. I've been watching you from the universe through my special lens. When you get off line, you state what you really feel, look up at me looking down on you, smile, and wink.
Rational, you know all my statements are true, factual, and correct. Nobody else's are but mine are. Everybody picks their noses and I even pick my friends' noses.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Jul 2, 2010 14:28:44 GMT -5
Falling off the wagon again, Lin? Or have you also forgotten about that vow you made on TMB concerning things you post here about me? Why is it your responsibility to remind Lin of vows past or present? That is for Lin and for God. Where's Bert? We need a documenter.
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Post by What Hat on Jul 2, 2010 16:52:34 GMT -5
Sharon, does your sentiment include homosexual workers? Should they be allowed to seek love and continue in their preferred religious practice? Or is that only for heterosexuals? "I don't think your suggestion is practical. " What, that's just your border-line autism/anti-social self speaking out. I know how you really feel about it. I've been watching you from the universe through my special lens. When you get off line, you state what you really feel, look up at me looking down on you, smile, and wink. Rational, you know all my statements are true, factual, and correct. Nobody else's are but mine are. Everybody picks their noses and I even pick my friends' noses. Ha ha. You don't have that borderline autism thing correct. See, the problem is that I always say what I really feel online. That's the problem. It's not quite borderline autism that I have. It's actually borderline borderline autism. I have only some of the characteristics of borderline autism. Poor context switching is one symptom of it that I do have. Runs in the family.
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Post by sharonw on Jul 2, 2010 18:47:44 GMT -5
Sharon, does your sentiment include homosexual workers? Should they be allowed to seek love and continue in their preferred religious practice? Or is that only for heterosexuals? "I don't think your suggestion is practical. " What, that's just your border-line autism/anti-social self speaking out. I know how you really feel about it. I've been watching you from the universe through my special lens. When you get off line, you state what you really feel, look up at me looking down on you, smile, and wink. Rational, you know all my statements are true, factual, and correct. Nobody else's are but mine are. Everybody picks their noses and I even pick my friends' noses. ID, I'd hadn't really given it much thought as I'm not knowledgeable of homosexual workers per se...but I see no reason they can not have the love of a significant other IF that is their need and choice!
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jul 2, 2010 18:56:01 GMT -5
maybe we could discuss appropriate underwear for workers to wear too.
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Post by rational on Jul 2, 2010 22:34:40 GMT -5
Which one of you, having a hundred sheep and losing one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wildness and go after the one that is lost until he finds it? I would say that would be a shepherd that would soon be out of work. It seems irresponsible to leave 99 sheep unprotected in a wilderness area to look after a single sheep.
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Which one of you, having a hundred sheep and losing one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wildness and go after the one that is lost until he finds it? I would say that would be a shepherd that would soon be out of work. It seems irresponsible to leave 99 sheep unprotected in a wilderness area to look after a single sheep. Wasn't there a song about that...something like "99 unprotected sheep on the wall, 99 unprotected sheep, you take one down and pass it around, 98....". Maybe I don't quite have the words right ;D
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Post by rational on Jul 3, 2010 4:36:14 GMT -5
Is it to much to comprehend that many still demand that their minsters/priests/workers/... have moral values? Of course not. All people have morals, even if you don't agree with them. See what I mean? Those are your values. Hindsight is always so clear.
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Post by Gene on Jul 3, 2010 7:57:45 GMT -5
I would say that would be a shepherd that would soon be out of work. It seems irresponsible to leave 99 sheep unprotected in a wilderness area to look after a single sheep. Wasn't there a song about that...something like "99 unprotected sheep on the wall, 99 unprotected sheep, you take one down and pass it around, 98....". Maybe I don't quite have the words right ;D Hberry, you're b-a-a-a-a-d. ;D
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Post by sharonw on Jul 3, 2010 8:53:32 GMT -5
Which one of you, having a hundred sheep and losing one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wildness and go after the one that is lost until he finds it? I would say that would be a shepherd that would soon be out of work. It seems irresponsible to leave 99 sheep unprotected in a wilderness area to look after a single sheep. It has been my experience when a flock of sheep feel threatened, they're like people they will huddle in a mass and often with the leaders of the flock with their back to the flock and their horns to the outside to hook the next unwelcome or unknown entity. The Syrian guest who had been a shepherd told about the caring shepherd could utter a particular sound and the flock would rush together often killing the foe who was in the midst of them. So a caring shepherd could sound his flock into a protective mass and go find the lost sheep...but then a lot of shepherds used dogs to go hunt the lost sheep and then stay with it until the shepherd got there to retrieve the poor lost one. I have an old, old picture of a collie who had found the lost lamb, he's howling his find in the midst of a blowing snow storm...this too I have seen in actual life...there is nothing more touching to my mind and heart, then the finding of the little lost ones.
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Post by Gene on Jul 3, 2010 8:55:28 GMT -5
I would say that would be a shepherd that would soon be out of work. It seems irresponsible to leave 99 sheep unprotected in a wilderness area to look after a single sheep. It has been my experience when a flock of sheep feel threatened, they're like people they will huddle in a mass and often with the leaders of the flock with their back to the flock and their horns to the outside to hook the next unwelcome or unknown entity. The Syrian guest who had been a shepherd told about the caring shepherd could utter a particular sound and the flock would rush together often killing the foe who was in the midst of them. So a caring shepherd could sound his flock into a protective mass and go find the lost sheep...but then a lot of shepherds used dogs to go hunt the lost sheep and then stay with it until the shepherd got there to retrieve the poor lost one. I have an old, old picture of a collie who had found the lost lamb, he's howling his find in the midst of a blowing snow storm...this too I have seen in actual life...there is nothing more touching to my mind and heart, then the finding of the little lost ones. I remember that picture from when I was a small child -- but when I was a child I thought it was a wolf about to eat the lamb. It gave me nightmares.
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Post by sharonw on Jul 3, 2010 9:02:51 GMT -5
As in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, God will in perfect mercy allow some time to elapse on such sad morality...BUT in due time, He will also call it all in for dispersal in some manner. This quote reminded me of what God said about the shepherds in the OT...we're seeing the same conditions today...perhaps not exactly the same behaviours but it all comes to the same thing...serving, protecting self above the sheep.
"Can one expect such information of Workers sexual activities and encroachment to be freely shared inside the fold? Absolutely not, that's the atmosphere that has occurred for years where the, so-to-speak, wolves have been doing nothing more than protecting themselves."
Isa 56:11 Yea, [they are] greedy dogs [which] can never have enough, and they [are] shepherds [that] cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Jer 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves [in the ashes], ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel
Jer 25:35 And the shepherds shall have no way to flee, nor the principal of the flock to escape.
Jer 25:36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and an howling of the principal of the flock, [shall be heard]: for the LORD hath spoiled their pasture.
Eze 34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Eze 34:8 [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
Eze 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
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