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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 8, 2011 13:51:21 GMT -5
That's one little fable I've never understood . . . or, rather, never understood why so many people believe it. If there was rain and light before the big flood, then there were rainbows. Scientific fact.
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Post by emy on Feb 8, 2011 15:30:23 GMT -5
That's one little fable I've never understood . . . or, rather, never understood why so many people believe it. If there was rain and light before the big flood, then there were rainbows. Scientific fact. Errr... that's just it. There wasn't. Another reason why the building of the ark didn't stir many people.
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Post by rational on Feb 8, 2011 17:12:35 GMT -5
That's one little fable I've never understood . . . or, rather, never understood why so many people believe it. If there was rain and light before the big flood, then there were rainbows. Scientific fact. And you can get rainbows with out rain. If you buy the "canopy of water around the earth" then believing in rainbows is a piece of cake!
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Post by 2 on Feb 9, 2011 5:52:49 GMT -5
That's one little fable I've never understood . . . or, rather, never understood why so many people believe it. If there was rain and light before the big flood, then there were rainbows. Scientific fact. have you ever thought that God is the master scientist, not only did God create the world, according to Genisis, tis creation was likely somewhat of an experiment (and he saw that it was good! ) and in doing so, he also created all of the worlds scientific laws. believe it or not...
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Post by Annan on Feb 9, 2011 10:50:57 GMT -5
Not. ;D
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Post by rational on Feb 9, 2011 13:13:14 GMT -5
have you ever thought that God is the master scientist, not only did God create the world, according to Genisis, tis creation was likely somewhat of an experiment (and he saw that it was good! ) and in doing so, he also created all of the worlds scientific laws. believe it or not... Of course I have considered it. And I went with the explanation that had the most data supporting it. You follow your beliefs.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 9, 2011 14:09:48 GMT -5
That's one little fable I've never understood . . . or, rather, never understood why so many people believe it. If there was rain and light before the big flood, then there were rainbows. Scientific fact. Errr... that's just it. There wasn't. Another reason why the building of the ark didn't stir many people. There wasn't what? No rain or light? Hmm.
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Post by emy on Feb 9, 2011 15:01:20 GMT -5
Errr... that's just it. There wasn't. Another reason why the building of the ark didn't stir many people. There wasn't what? No rain or light? Hmm. Of course there was light. God created light and then divided it during the first six days. But you know that. Ever read anything about him creating rain? before Noah?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 9, 2011 15:10:42 GMT -5
So the green, plush valleys were happenstance? Crops grew by dew? Or was there a heavy fog every other day? Corn requires quite a bit of moisture to grow. Or were they all fed by manna? Maybe eating wasn't required. And animals didn't have to drink to survive. No rain? Really?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 9, 2011 15:20:06 GMT -5
Nevermind, I read it. Genesis 2. A mist came out of the ground and (if the mist wasn't handy) a 'river runs through it' (couldn't help myself, for you movie buffs).
So next thought - some people contend the bible is mainly metaphorical and claim that those six days were actually thousands of years. If that is the case, green plants depended on mist and rivers? <cough> Uh huh.
Oh well, chalk it up to the mysteries of god, time and chance, and all the rest of those neat stories.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 9, 2011 15:22:47 GMT -5
That's one little fable I've never understood . . . or, rather, never understood why so many people believe it. If there was rain and light before the big flood, then there were rainbows. Scientific fact. have you ever thought that God is the master scientist, not only did God create the world, according to Genisis, tis creation was likely somewhat of an experiment (and he saw that it was good! ) and in doing so, he also created all of the worlds scientific laws. believe it or not... God experiments? I thought everything he did or does is right and perfect the first time. Experiments are for those who are not sure of the outcome. God is not sure? Then what is perfection?
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Post by 2 on Feb 9, 2011 15:25:43 GMT -5
Nevermind, I read it. Genesis 2. A mist came out of the ground and (if the mist wasn't handy) a 'river runs through it' (couldn't help myself, for you movie buffs). So next thought - some people contend the bible is mainly metaphorical and claim that those six days were actually thousands of years. If that is the case, green plants depended on mist and rivers? <cough> Uh huh. Oh well, chalk it up to the mysteries of god, time and chance, and all the rest of those neat stories. all the 'other stories' get kinda messy, i'll go with the neat stories ;D
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Post by ariandgabe on Feb 10, 2011 0:29:15 GMT -5
...and the rainbow is a symbol that the ocean level will remain at sea level (no more flooding like Noah saw) . Or is it a matter of light being refracted through water droplets? One is demonstratable the other is not. The ocean level is at sea level because that is the definition of sea level. Do you think it is god that is preventing the sea from rising or the fact that it is all the water there is? Who 'defined' the sea level? You or the scientists?
Who defined the Infinity Q45? Oh, no one I guess. It evolved from apes who evolved to plastic and metal, and over the millions of years the Q45 appeared. Silly me.
quote]"Do you think it is god that is preventing the sea from rising..?" God or god, you mean like Odin? Many believe so. There are a lot of gods but for us there is one God who covered the earth with water, then separated it by freezing it on top and the bottom of the earth, revealing our continents, and putting some above the firmament and put a protective layer there to keep it from eveporating.
Rational, I'd like to ask you something; What would happen if we built a small lake (water in it of course) on our moon? Would it eveporate?
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Post by ariandgabe on Feb 10, 2011 0:45:43 GMT -5
have you ever thought that God is the master scientist, not only did God create the world, according to Genesis, tis creation was likely somewhat of an experiment (and he saw that it was good! ) and in doing so, he also created all of the worlds scientific laws. believe it or not... God experiments? I thought everything he did or does is right and perfect the first time. Experiments are for those who are not sure of the outcome. God is not sure? Then what is perfection? Who is this 'eyedeetente'? You are not the one back some years ago are you? That one knew the Bible real good??? And this one doesn't even know if there was rain or not before the flood??? Hmmm...
Zeitgeist is weak as all those other religions in the world. I do recognize Rational... he's the same, come on people, you have to last a little longer, .. until that last trumpet sounds.
As for experiments, God created us didn't He? "Oh how I would have gathered you under my wings but you would not, .." so we are still in the experimental stage... except God knows the result and had our names written in books before we were even created.
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Post by Annan on Feb 10, 2011 9:56:56 GMT -5
Rational, I'd like to ask you something; What would happen if we built a small lake (water in it of course) on our moon? Would it eveporate?
Not answering for rational, of course; but without doing any research, I would venture to say that water would evaporate on the moon because the gravity of the moon is too low to hold and keep an atmosphere.
Rational?
As for experiments, God created us didn't He?
So you say, but you never offer anything in the way of any tangible proof or reasoning. Your psycho babble gets a bit tiring.
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Post by 2 on Feb 10, 2011 12:57:39 GMT -5
As for experiments, God created us didn't He?So you say, but you never offer anything in the way of any tangible proof or reasoning. Your psycho babble gets a bit tiring. i heard that when God created man, he was just practicing , then he created woman ? hmmmm...... maybe there is something to that!
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Post by rational on Feb 10, 2011 14:51:07 GMT -5
Who 'defined' the sea level? You or the scientists? This is kind of a silly question. Sea level is defined by the level of the sea. If you want to learn about mean sea level I suggest you look it up. Silly to the point of being absurd. Yeah. Odd no one has run into this layer of water above the firmament. Of course it would. Just as it would in almost any location in the universe. Including here on earth. Think about Lake Bonneville. All that is left is about 50 square miles of very dry salt flats.
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Post by rational on Feb 10, 2011 15:03:05 GMT -5
Rational, I'd like to ask you something; What would happen if we built a small lake (water in it of course) on our moon? Would it eveporate? Not answering for rational, of course; but without doing any research, I would venture to say that water would evaporate on the moon because the gravity of the moon is too low to hold and keep an atmosphere. Rational? Water evaporating has little to do with gravity. Water will not evaporate when the air above the water is saturated. Although not part of the question, depending where on the moon the lake was created it could well be frozen and the loss of water would be due to sublimation and not evaporation. It is a belief based on faith, not supported by material or logical proof.
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Post by rational on Feb 10, 2011 15:06:13 GMT -5
except God knows the result and had our names written in books before we were even created. [/size][/quote]So our fate is sealed. We cannot change the outcome.
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Post by Annan on Feb 10, 2011 17:55:32 GMT -5
except God knows the result and had our names written in books before we were even created. [/size][/quote]So our fate is sealed. We cannot change the outcome.[/quote] So then we are Atheists because God deemed it so? Well there ya go. ;D
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Post by Annan on Feb 10, 2011 17:59:32 GMT -5
Rational, I'd like to ask you something; What would happen if we built a small lake (water in it of course) on our moon? Would it eveporate? Not answering for rational, of course; but without doing any research, I would venture to say that water would evaporate on the moon because the gravity of the moon is too low to hold and keep an atmosphere. Rational? Water evaporating has little to do with gravity. Water will not evaporate when the air above the water is saturated. Although not part of the question, depending where on the moon the lake was created it could well be frozen and the loss of water would be due to sublimation and not evaporation. This is what I was thinking when I posted. The atmosphere of Earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth that is retained by Earth's gravity.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_EarthI thought there could be water on the moon if the moon's gravity could retain gases, etc.
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Post by rational on Feb 11, 2011 1:51:05 GMT -5
Water evaporating has little to do with gravity. Water will not evaporate when the air above the water is saturated. Although not part of the question, depending where on the moon the lake was created it could well be frozen and the loss of water would be due to sublimation and not evaporation. This is what I was thinking when I posted. The atmosphere of Earth is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth that is retained by Earth's gravity.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_EarthI thought there could be water on the moon if the moon's gravity could retain gases, etc. The question had nothing to do with a celestial body retaining water. The question was asking if the water would evaporate. I have learned that with some people you have to answer the questions as asked and not try to guess the underlying meaning. Since there is water on the moon, it is obvious that all of it has not yet evaporated/sublimated. And the moon does have an atmosphere. True it is thin but never-the-less an atmosphere!
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Post by Annan on Feb 11, 2011 9:29:23 GMT -5
Oh. I obviously am not a very astute reader.
Thanks for the info!
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 11, 2011 16:32:02 GMT -5
What does a stoot reader look like? Is that short for 'student reader'?
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Post by Annan on Feb 11, 2011 18:22:03 GMT -5
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Post by ariandgabe on Feb 12, 2011 18:09:13 GMT -5
Who 'defined' the sea level? You or the scientists? This is kind of a silly question. Sea level is defined by the level of the sea. If you want to learn about mean sea level I suggest you look it up. But a Q-45 is defined by engeneers, and the manufacturers.. hmm... or am I looking at this wrong? I see, the Q-45 is defined by the Q-45.. silly me.Silly to the point of being absurd. Right... O.K. then, let's see now... first, nothing, then a Big BANG, then starts time, then we wait... wait... ting! Soup is done.. look what's crawling out of the soup... scientists... look now they grow legs and walk, then talk.. all by themselves. Now if that is not silly to the point of being absurd, I don't know what is?Yeah. Odd no one has run into this layer of water above the firmament. I's called 'clouds', look it up.Of course it would. Just as it would in almost any location in the universe. Including here on earth. Think about Lake Bonneville. All that is left is about 50 square miles of very dry salt flats. Hmm.. so how much water are we loosing from earth into space per day?
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Post by rational on Feb 13, 2011 1:24:06 GMT -5
Right... O.K. then, let's see now... first, nothing, then a Big BANG, then starts time, then we wait... wait... ting! Soup is done.. look what's crawling out of the soup... scientists... look now they grow legs and walk, then talk.. all by themselves. Now if that is not silly to the point of being absurd, I don't know what is? If anyone actually believed that it would indeed be absurd. You keep setting up straw men, knocking them down, and then it seems that you really believe you have made a point. Well that makes sense. So Genesis would read: “Let there be clouds in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the clouds, and divided the waters which were under the clouds from the waters which were above the clouds; and it was so. And God called the cloud Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.Guess you solved that question! How much water via evaporation? None. How much water because of water molecules are moving at a speed greater than the local escape velocity? Given the fact that the average speed of water molecules is determined by their temperature and as the molecules get further and further from the earth there is a decrease in temperature which causes the water vapor to condense, there is not a high probability that water does escape the earth's gravity and move into space. Given the fact that the amount of water on earth has remained fairly constant the amount being lost is most likely close to equaling the amount being gained. If water is being lost to space that means that there are water molecules in space and as they pass near the earth they may well be pulled into the earth's atmosphere by the earth's gravity. And then, there are the comets that are composed primarily of water that also enter the earth's atmosphere.
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