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Post by 2 on Jan 25, 2011 20:47:14 GMT -5
easy! tell each patient where to go... the definition for triaging includes: diagnosis of illness, injury, etc. are you suggesting that an injury is shared by multiple patients?? ;D ;D And again you are in error. The definition includes sorting patients into groups. triagea process of sorting a group of patients in a hospital or military or disaster setting to determine the immediacy of an individual's need for treatment. The type of injury or illness, the condition's severity, the level of urgency involved, the availability of medical facilities, and the likelihood of survival are the criteria used in triage.Emphasis addedtriageA process for sorting injured people into groups based on their need for or likely benefit from immediate medical treatment. Triage is used on the battlefield, at disaster sites, and in hospital emergency rooms when limited medical resources must be allocated.nitpikin again , the usage is also to diagnose an injury , illness of a patient, even if the patient is with other patients, .... ;D
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Post by 2 on Jan 25, 2011 20:50:20 GMT -5
easy! tell each patient where to go... the definition for triaging includes: diagnosis of illness, injury, etc. are you suggesting that an injury is shared by multiple patients?? ;D ;D And again you are in error. triage of an individual's need for treatment. The type of injury or illness, the condition's severity, the level of urgency involved, nitpikin again ;D ;D individual patient!
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Post by ariandgabe on Jan 25, 2011 20:58:29 GMT -5
Because it is mans doing not Gods. If you want a God as thus you expect then be prepared to be a slave to an others control. If you want to give your god the characteristics of being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent as well as having absolute morality then you have to accept the fact that knowing about something like the murder of children, having the power to prevent it, and doing nothing is immoral. Either god is in control of the universe or not. But perhaps those are not the characteristics of your god. Greetings Rational, I see after all these years you are at it as always. Your questioning did sharpen my mind, and I thank God for letting me get to know you on this blog. The sad part is that through all these years, with all that wisdom you have not come an inch closer to your Savior. Same as Darwin, Hawking, Einstein and the rest... all died leaving the world with 'theories', questions upon unanswered questions. Oh yes, Einstein did help create the Atom Bomb, so he does go alongside his other half-Jew brother Hitler. They both massacred a huge amount of people in a very short time. Now to many, they might be called geniuses, and then to a Christian, they were considered madmen.
I am in Maricopa AZ, less than 2 hours from Tucson so the shooting hit home for sure, so if I may comment to your above comment: Our God is as you said above, but as any atheist, you fail to understand God. You see my friend,
first, God created us, we did not create Him. (Even though the Trinity Doctrine does make an attempt, as do the New-Agers)
second, we were created for a purpose, to serve Him our Creator. God wants to see how many of us will serve Him (believe in Him and show it by loving our fellow man as He loves us), and those that do, will be rewarded with eternal life with Him. Those that deny Him, will reap of their actions (cheating, killing, greed that causes so much suffering to others, etc..) eternal torment and separation from God. With this simple instruction came free will.
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Post by rational on Jan 25, 2011 21:33:17 GMT -5
Greetings Rational, I see after all these years you are at it as always. So far I have not seen any reason to change my views.Glad to be of service! Nor have I got an inch farther away. Tough to do either from my point of view. Kind of like a religion except over time the questions do get answered. I didn't know Einstein worked on the Manhatten project and I am fairly certain Hitler was not 1/ 2 jewish. That is the nature of war. Do you think so by the same christians that fire-bombed Dresden and Tokyo? I don't think so. All powerful, all knowing and stood by and let people die. Happens all the time. What else is there to know? And your proof of this is??? I thought the biological imperative was to perpetuate the species. Not sure that would be all that much fun based on the recorded behavior of god. Being with an all powerful being who kills for object lessons would be living in eternal torment. Thanks for the note!
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Post by rational on Jan 25, 2011 21:48:29 GMT -5
nitpikin again ;D ;D individual patient! You're right. Teams triage a single patient into groups.
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Post by 2 on Jan 25, 2011 22:08:49 GMT -5
nitpikin again ;D ;D individual patient! You're right. Teams triage a single patient into groups. Patient p atients is diagnosed according to injury of an individual. treat them in groups! great hospital care! i mean great hospital profits!! oh forget it ;D
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Post by ariandgabe on Jan 26, 2011 1:33:32 GMT -5
Rationals quote; Being with an all powerful being who kills for object lessons would be living in eternal torment.
Thanks for the note!
My pleasure Rational, I always enjoyed your rationale, even though I don't see eye to eye with you.
O.K., so let's say we take the 'belief' in God totally out of our conversation, meaning that for conversation sake; there was no Real God, this is how you see it right?
According to you, everything is 'evolving' perfectly as it has for 3, 5, 7, 10, 13, 16 billion years (forgive me, the age keeps going up)
We slugs developed sight, legs to walk on, brains to reason with and it all works perfectly, (for if it could have developed any better by this time, it would have.)
Even though according to you there is no God, the human animal reasoned in himself that there must be a God, and with this thought growing, some settled for images made by hand, some imagine spiritual oneness with this evolving universe, and some as yourself believe in the self, that is; learning and growing from the complex things that are already here, by dissection, destruction (like the accelerator) and denial that everything we humans have were created by us, thus the things we did not make had to have a creator.
That's fine, we are here non the less.
Look at the non-human animals, they seem to live in harmony, (unless we human-animals mess with them or their habitat)
Todays rulers and scientists (that don't believe in God) see a deadly potential caused by the human animal, which is over population, pollution and certain death to our species unless the problem is addressed. The BLAME is pointed at RELIGION, especially Christianity since it teaches that this imaginary God told them to 'multiply and fill the earth'.
But let's back up a bit. By these same people comes the scientific FACT that there is no God! So the problem is NOT a problem, but is simply EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIES.
In this time of our evolution, we have 6.8 Billion People, SO WHAT?
We have pollution, SO WHAT? I mean, how many volcanic eruptions did it take to create the continents and all the islands. Imagine the pollution caused by all these eruptions. What if our Ape ancestors would have figured a way to plug up the volcanoes, they would never have evolved to this stage then, right? It is a science that says if we were to go back in time and dropped even an apple core, things would never have evolved as we have it today.
So what we have so far is PERFECT, as it should be. No God, just evolution. Look and observe and leave it go wherever it evolves to!
Let pollution take its course, and see what wonderful things will evolve next? Just call it primordial air/soup pollution or something, and watch us 'explode' into some awesome new creatures.
Now why mess with evolution? Let it 'evolve', remember, by your own admission, God has nothing to do with it. When the dominant lion kills another's cubs, it is trying to mate. If a human animal kills 6 million of his fellow human animals, who are we to say it's right or wrong? If these so called Christians preach "thou shalt not kill" and refuse to bear arms, and would rather turn the other cheek, why try to kill them? And this by evolutionist who suppose to understand evolution.
Look up and explain to me the Venus Project. How could all these scientifically minded evolutionist come up with such stupid ideas as One World Order? I thought Religion was stupid for trying to make everyone believe in just ONE GOD, which is another way of saying; "One World Order under One God" then what do you call this Zeitgeist Venus Project? Oh I see, survival of the fittest... that explains the horrendous amount of abortions we have... Atheists are the biggest hypocrites and the worst religious fanatics the world has ever known.
They base their murders on theories, and when those theories don't manifest, they make it manifest by polluting the earth on purpose, flooding the world with pornography for and on children, make the movies with perverted suggestions so the young would actually have children they can't take care of, then point it out to the whole world. Pitiful beasts, can't even abide by their own rules, let your evolution EVOLVE and let Christians worship.
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Post by 2 on Jan 26, 2011 5:12:58 GMT -5
how would people interpret what a manual says? often manuals are guidelines, eh? Your knowledge of SOP manuals, their construction, use, and importance when something has gone wrong seems lacking. what markers will be used to identify the patients needs, when and why it is appropriate to use reverse triage, etc. now your lack of understanding SOP for triaging is documented!! if you were knowledgeable you would have mentioned the patient's needs or the patients' needs or the patience needs, but never patients needs.... ;D and my point was/is , that after admitted i did not know beans about what a nurse triage does, they have a responsibility to each:_ the patient/(or the hospital), only to be sidetracked into a discussion about the ignorant usage of the singular (patient) in favor of the plurality (patients), whatever ;D ;D
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2011 11:08:36 GMT -5
O.K., so let's say we take the 'belief' in God totally out of our conversation, meaning that for conversation sake; there was no Real God, this is how you see it right?As I see it, no god. No. Not perfectly. The survivors are a good fit but hardly perfect. I think you confuse the age of the universe and the age of the earth. Universe - thought to be about 13.75 billion years. Earth - about 4.5 billion years. Life has been around about on earth for about 3.5 billion years. Different animals developed different traits. Some didn't work out. Some did. Perfectly? Nope. Consider the human eye. Terrible design. The light receptors are behind the nerves. And who is to say we are even close to being done evolving? Remember that the dinosaurs were around for a lot longer than man has been. Evolution continues. Many people fear not knowing the answers so they make up answers. Someone must be making that thunder. Wow. There has not been any rain - someone must be stopping the rain. Maybe it is because Bob ate too much meat. Let's kill Bob and whomever controls the rain will not be so withholding. Here, questioning, and evolvong every day! Really? Not sure the rabbits would see their times with the coyote as harmony. You have bought into the idea that it is human pollution that is the cause of global temperature changes? I certainly am not blaming your god for anything. The earth goes through heating and cooling cycles and has been doing so for billions of years. I know of no one who has ever claimed it to be a fact that there is no god. Some simply do not share your belief. It is up to the believers to present their case and prove that there is a god. Exactly. Species come and go. Humans are just another species. Exactly. Well, ignoring the fact that we do not have ape ancestors, I guess eliminating the volcanic eruptions could have changed the evolutionary pathsThat is a possibility or some animal could eat the core and there would be no effect at all. What makes you think it is perfect? It is what developed. It happened in Madagascar. We really have no choice unless you are suggesting the practice of eugenics. This sounds like a morality question. Not sure now war and who wants to participate figures into evolution. And what do you have against this? All people working towards a common goal. I doubt it will work but it is better than building and using nuclear weapons.I don't think you fully understand the concept of the survival of the fittest. Wow. And there are so few of us! I think if you do any research regarding pornography you will find that way out front ahead of the atheists are the christians. Stopping evolution will certainly be a difficult task. As far as christianity - there have been many cultures that had religions that were around for centuries but they are now gone. The Egyptians worshipped Ra, Amun, Isis, etc. for over 3,000 years. Throughout history gods have come and gone. What makes you think christianity will fare any differently?
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2011 13:14:10 GMT -5
now your lack of understanding SOP for triaging is documented!! No. I just remembered that you cannot teach a pig to sing. The SOP for triage is to evaluate the victims and mark (ribbon, triage tag, skin marker, etc.) them so the care givers will know in what order to treat them. That might be because the triage person/team does not attend to the needs of the victims but determine in which order the victims will receive the care they need. First it is a triage nurse. Second, when doing triage the nurse's responsibility is to assess the survivability of the victims and group them so at the end of the day the survival rate will be as high as possible.I know it is difficult when you are wrong. And you can twist partial definitions and spin it as you wish but triage is dealing with multiple victims in situations where the number of victims far exceed the number of caregivers, or transportation to the caregivers. Think diaster, terrorist attack, firefight.
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Post by 2 on Jan 26, 2011 14:28:45 GMT -5
SOP manuals detail how the organization deals with all events, triage was just an example of one thing that would be in such a manual - what to do, who to call, where to look, what report to file, etc. there still seems to be some degree of skill involved, judging/interpreting what issues are most urgent, i believe that a good triage nurse, would interpret things in the best interest of the hospital i mean patient. i meant patient, it could also be ''patients'' . my useage, was correct, and not an error, so there! ;D ;D and you are still wrong, it shopuld have been: patient's (or patients') needs, and not patients needs. ;D
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Post by 2 on Jan 26, 2011 14:57:40 GMT -5
triage nurses are used in ER, and as soon as a patient comes into ER.
Their condition is evaluated by a triage nurse, etc...
there is a more critical condition when there are multiple victims, terrorist , earthquake, etc. when the triage nurse
has to deal with sorting and diagnosing
many victims, and yet, one at a time....
triage nurses are staffed to deal with both: personal emergencies and mass disasters
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Post by ariandgabe on Jan 26, 2011 16:35:01 GMT -5
O.K., so let's say we take the 'belief' in God totally out of our conversation, meaning that for conversation sake; there was no Real God, this is how you see it right? As I see it, no god. That's because we cannot see God. No one has seen God.
No. Not perfectly. The survivors are a good fit but hardly perfect. I think you confuse the age of the universe and the age of the earth. Universe - thought to be about 13.75 billion years. Earth - about 4.5 billion years. Life has been around about on earth for about 3.5 billion years.
"Universe-thought to be about.." So I was right, only our thinking is different. I can't prove you wrong, and you cannot prove me wrong untill our I-pod gets a built in evolution counter.. LOL
Different animals developed different traits. Some didn't work out. Some did
The ones got in Noahs Ark worked out, the rest drowned.
Perfectly? Nope. Consider the human eye. Terrible design. The light receptors are behind the nerves.
Maybe you can explain that to your Creator on that Day. Working on a better 'eye' are you Rational? Let me know when you're done, I'll get rid of my old ones.
And who is to say we are even close to being done evolving?
Maybe about 150 billion people on earth?? Who says the earth has to remain this size? The universe is expanding, so why not the earth?
Remember that the dinosaurs were around for a lot longer than man has been. Evolution continues.
Lizards. They were about a thousand year old lizards crawling on all fours that Noah left out of the Arc, but took in only the younger and smaller ones. You have been greatly influenced by the Godzilla and Jurasic Park movies. T-Rex was a big lizard that Noahs kids used to ride on, or haven't you watched the Flintstones?
Many people fear not knowing the answers so they make up answers. Someone must be making that thunder. Wow. There has not been any rain - someone must be stopping the rain. Maybe it is because Bob ate too much meat. Let's kill Bob and whomever controls the rain will not be so withholding.
Ah yes, .. the Aztecs. Hey, I recently saw a YouTube video of these tribes burrying their own children alive. Videod by proffessional white photographers holding riffles. Just observe the Natives face expressions and where they look in fear. I guess they just couldn't learn working the 4-G phones, and had to be, ... well you know. Poor little Bob.
Here, questioning, and evolving every day! You call what we have in this world 'evolution'? I call it decay.
Really? Not sure the rabbits would see their times with the coyote as harmony. Why, I don't see them complaining? That's why they reproduce so fast.
You have bought into the idea that it is human pollution that is the cause of global temperature changes? I certainly am not blaming your god for anything. The earth goes through heating and cooling cycles and has been doing so for billions of years.
Well finally someone who has observed these things. Thank you Rational. Maybe you should explain this in a letter and send it to the Venus Project.
I know of no one who has ever claimed it to be a fact that there is no god.
Really? Science says; "Can't see Him, no God!" Evolution is observable, thus evolution is real, and God a mith because they can't discect Him.
Some simply do not share your belief. It is up to the believers to present their case and prove that there is a god. I am alive, that proves there is a God. This fact compared to my life's story for the past 53 years is proof enough for me and everyone that knows me.
Exactly. Species come and go. Humans are just another species. Exactly.
Yes, like the missing-link.
Well, ignoring the fact that we do not have ape ancestors, I guess eliminating the volcanic eruptions could have changed the evolutionary pathsThat is a possibility or some animal could eat the core and there would be no effect at all. So who and where are the evolved Apes? Oh yes, giants... there were giants on the earth. Unless, .. yes, maybe you realize that we had no hairy ansestors. Thank the Lord.
What makes you think it is perfect?
Sorry, I did not realize who I was writing to. Please Rational, tell us how you would improve on here creation? You said the eye was poor evolution/creation... how would you improve it? I always said we should of have four arms and eyes behind our heads (which I actually developed growing up in Detroit)
It is what developed.
exactly, PERFECT, or as our Lord said; "It is all good."
It happened in Madagascar.
In the kids movie?
We really have no choice unless you are suggesting the practice of eugenics.
Eugenics works, look at the black slaves here in America, how eugenics made them a superior race. They exceed in every sport, music, etc.. But why are they still on the 'extermination list'? Oh yes, wrong color.
This sounds like a morality question. Not sure how war and who wants to participate figures into evolution.
So what part of evolution do we exclude from evolution? Or are you implying that you believe in both, evolution AND creation???
Venus Project- And what do you have against this? All people working towards a common goal. I doubt it will work but it is better than building and using nuclear weapons.
All people working towards a common goal? You mean; 'All people herded with the threats, being watched, killed (yes I am referring to the Tucson murders) toward a common goal' What Utopian ideology has ever worked out for mankind? The Tower of Babel? It created sin that reached heaven itself just as the horror that is being created in hopes of reaching a 'One World Order' of today. Must hurry, before the Lord comes and beats man to it.
It is like this: This is for your own good mankind, you have tried it for 6000 years and look where it got you? We controll your money, your lives, your kids, we see in your homes, stores, restaurants, we create wars and pollution and pornography. If you had enough, just give yourselves to us, and we; Clintons, Bushes and the select rich will provide for your wellfare. Trust us, what choice do you have? You can show your trust by giving us your guns, nukes (which we'll store in space for safe keeping, wink.. wink..) Well ease up on your gas prices by releasing solar power. Yes, but first; give us your lives and souls, and look at the pretty pictures of the buildings we'll let a few of you live in!'
Sorry Rational men, but it can never work. Killing all the blacks, the Jews, the Christians (and I don't mean the main streem Christianity you try to define as Christian either) will only magnify your sins. God will say how far... and then no farther. Jesus will come to rule here shortly, now that will be an everlasting rule in peace.
I don't think you fully understand the concept of the survival of the fittest.
Neither do you. I think I do though... those that are with Christ are the fittest, and these fittest will rule forever with Him. Amen.
Wow. And there are so few of us!
Now that's funny. The Churches, the Mosks are full of them, millions, even billions of them. You are not alone as you try to make everyone believe.
I think if you do any research regarding pornography you will find that way out front ahead of the atheists are the christians.
So-called Christians. You keep confusing the two. Were you really in the 2X2 church? You should have learned that much.
Stopping evolution will certainly be a difficult task. It has been stopped 6,000 years ago with the fall of Adam and Eve. It is this devolution that we must stop.
As far as christianity - there have been many cultures that had religions that were around for centuries but they are now gone. The Egyptians worshipped Ra, Amun, Isis, etc. for over 3,000 years. Throughout history gods have come and gone. What makes you think christianity will fare any differently?
It will, as sure as this creation exists. God will re-take posession as soon as the number of Christians is fulfilled.
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Post by Gene on Jan 26, 2011 20:22:03 GMT -5
...Same as Darwin, Hawking, Einstein and the rest... all died leaving the world with 'theories', questions upon unanswered questions. ... Odon [/b][/quote] How come no one told me Hawking died?
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2011 20:49:27 GMT -5
...Same as Darwin, Hawking, Einstein and the rest... all died leaving the world with 'theories', questions upon unanswered questions. ... Odon [/b][/quote] How come no one told me Hawking died?[/quote]I will tell you last Christmas but it was in the 8 th dimension so who knows when you will hear it.
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Post by Gene on Jan 26, 2011 20:55:32 GMT -5
How come no one told me Hawking died? I will tell you last Christmas but it was in the 8 th dimension so who knows when you will hear it. I think the new world order is hiding his death because if they don't they know they'll have to send Fred Phelps a plane ticket to picket Hitler's current residence (where, by the way, Jimmy Hoffa is buried), and if Fred does that, Hitler is likely to go all ape-s--t on their a--es and reveal that the holocaust never happened.
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2011 21:00:12 GMT -5
triage nurses are used in ER, and as soon as a patient comes into ER. The nurse may be a triage nurse but when there is a single patient there cannot be triage. Triage is the sorting of multiple victims into groups. Their condition is evaluated by someone who may also be the triage person when triage is needed. And that is the meaning of triage Yep. But when there is only a single patient they are not preforming triage. If you want to redefine triage feel free. Those of us who have done it know exactly what it is and what it is not.
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2011 21:02:28 GMT -5
I think the new world order is hiding his death because if they don't they know they'll have to send Fred Phelps a plane ticket to picket Hitler's current residence (where, by the way, Jimmy Hoffa is buried), and if Fred does that, Hitler is likely to go all ape-s--t on their a--es and reveal that the holocaust never happened. You are in deep doo-doo for revealing this. You know the new world order kills people like you!
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Post by ariandgabe on Jan 26, 2011 21:14:39 GMT -5
O.K. O.K. so Gene is still here too. Watch it Gene or Fred will find your address and send Shirley to picket your sidewalk...
I guess I jumped the gun on Hawking... I guess even a twitch in the face is life, fine. But I doubt very much that he is in control of his books and theories. A few nice presents to his assistant from the NWO could easily make him misunderstand his twitching and type in whatever he was told/ordered. Yes, just like the Phelps, presents can influence even lawyers.. sorry, I meant; Christian lawyers.
May the Lord be our light.
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Post by shushy on Jan 26, 2011 21:15:46 GMT -5
quote: As far as christianity - there have been many cultures that had religions that were around for centuries but they are now gone. The Egyptians worshipped Ra, Amun, Isis, etc. for over 3,000 years. Throughout history gods have come and gone. What makes you think christianity will fare any differently?
It will, as sure as this creation exists. God will re-take posession as soon as the number of Christians is fulfilled.
I worship the Son..... This topic does bare thinking about.
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Post by shushy on Jan 26, 2011 21:17:36 GMT -5
I think the new world order is hiding his death because if they don't they know they'll have to send Fred Phelps a plane ticket to picket Hitler's current residence (where, by the way, Jimmy Hoffa is buried), and if Fred does that, Hitler is likely to go all ape-s--t on their a--es and reveal that the holocaust never happened. You are in deep doo-doo for revealing this. You know the new world order kills people like you! Uh oh we have a whistleblower!!!!!
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Post by ariandgabe on Jan 26, 2011 21:47:40 GMT -5
I will tell you last Christmas but it was in the 8 th dimension so who knows when you will hear it. I think the new world order is hiding his death because if they don't they know they'll have to send Fred Phelps a plane ticket to picket Hitler's current residence (where, by the way, Jimmy Hoffa is buried), and if Fred does that, Hitler is likely to go all ape-s--t on their a--es and reveal that the holocaust never happened. Fred won't have to do that, even Holocaust surviving Jews deny the Holocaust, if they didn't they would surely have repented by now and accepted their Messiah. By them helping further the Venus Project by helping destroy all moral laws, their love for money they actually speed up their next Holocaust. But this time, they will not be able to blame God, but only themselves. They'll be playing the funny movie 'Religulous' by Bill Maher to them as they lead them into the death chambers. All naked in line they'll listen to their famous talk show host Howard Stern asking; "do you take it up your a__? Come on honey, take it off... yeah..." God will listen to their last laugh... on themselves. God help us, and His People the Jews. Lord, when will the scales be lifted?
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2011 21:57:34 GMT -5
As I see it, no god. That's because we cannot see God. No one has seen God. Really? Exodus 24:9-11 And also this text of what god said: "I am the LORD; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.” Are you saying that god was fibbing? <snip> I had intended to respond to this but I see now that it is a rant about intelligent design and an argument from ignorance. It is you ranting about your beliefs and I have no desire to discuss beliefs, which by definition, are unsupported by material or logical facts. If you want to discuss ID of any other points let's address them one point at a time and let's not start the discussion claiming that you want to continue the discussion under the assumption there is no god. Express your point and I will be glad to glad to discuss the facts that support either side.
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2011 22:00:57 GMT -5
quote: As far as christianity - there have been many cultures that had religions that were around for centuries but they are now gone. The Egyptians worshipped Ra, Amun, Isis, etc. for over 3,000 years. Throughout history gods have come and gone. What makes you think christianity will fare any differently? It will, as sure as this creation exists. God will re-take posession as soon as the number of Christians is fulfilled. Oops. The number of people who say they are christians is on the decline. Unless you can reverse that trend it will be difficult to reach that number. Do you worship it bare?
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Post by ariandgabe on Jan 27, 2011 0:32:37 GMT -5
As I see it, no god. That's because we cannot see God. No one has seen God. Really? Exodus 24:9-11 And also this text of what god said: "I am the LORD; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.” Are you saying that god was fibbing? <snip> I had intended to respond to this but I see now that it is a rant about intelligent design and an argument from ignorance. It is you ranting about your beliefs and I have no desire to discuss beliefs, which by definition, are unsupported by material or logical facts. If you want to discuss ID or any other points let's address them one point at a time and let's not start the discussion claiming that you want to continue the discussion under the assumption there is no god. Express your point and I will be glad to discuss the facts that support either side. I thought I did, by assuming there was no God.
I don't get it Rational, you are here on a Christian blog questioning the Christians faith in a God, yet when I turn to take your atheistic side, you don't want to talk about it.
Why can't I take the side, "There is no God?" and express my views as such? You do it opposing to our Christian views.
Why? Because it sounds real bad? The conversation leads to kayos and confusion? No rules but the rules of the stronger, the wiser, the learned? All is defined by chance and rational Spock like reasoning? No morality, no absolute truths? You see how easy it is to tear your faithlessness in a God apart? Because with the assumption that there is no God, the moral fabric and all intelligent reasoning as we know it is destroyed because then 'Anything goes, nothing is right or wrong!'
This is your Venus project Rational. Defined as a dream, a unification of humanity, love beyond what humans could ever dream of. A Utopia where EVERYONE enjoys bliss and happiness, doing only what they love to do with no one to oppose or stand in the way of their dreams.
ID - Freud's psyche The id is unconscious by definition: 'It is the dark, inaccessible part of our personality' and this is what you want to talk about? Well, it is this and human rational thinking that has brought this Venus Project so far. That DARK inaccessible part of the human psyche is controlled by faith. Faith in either God, or the Prince of Darkness, you choose.
What we cannot access, God can, but so can the demonic spirits. Just study the Quakers or the Shakers. They started a Utopia and it seemed to work almost miraculously, until the afternoon worship of unknown spirits brought about by the frantic dancing, euphoria and complete abandon and made it into their hearts till they all abandoned all their years of work like dust in the wind. All was lost.
But what we Christians have my friend is HOPE through Faith which you want no part of. It scares you because it goes way past the human minds ability to comprehend. As you said: "It is you ranting about your beliefs and I have no desire to discuss beliefs, which by definition, are unsupported by material or logical facts." But they are more real to me then this material and logical facts you believe in and depend on. God helped me live by it all my life. I defy all human logic for being alive right now. It is Gods grace that keeps me living because of my faith in Him.
Many Christians throughout the years can testify to this, only bad thing is that Satan has a perverted version of this too. This is what you thrive on, that false version of 'faith' that you so easily destroy with logic and science.
But you should try to get to these new heights, beyond human logic Rational, beyond this earth, beyond the skies and even the universe. Get your mind on heavenly things and you will see and go places where only angels tread. You will see Gods Kingdom.
But yes, it is not very satisfying to this flesh or the human thinking, because it does not reward the human mind, which you are so used to. The reward is in your soul.
Sure, let's talk. I'll let my mind go on your side, I will shine the light on that darkness of that psyche and reveal its real intent, but you will not like it. It reveals the filth, the millions of innocent blood shed, the bones of those millions that your Utopia is building on. Satan comes as an Angel of Light Rational, and you are a prime candidate. He wallows in human wisdom and perverts it till he can control you and destroy you in hell.
Let it go my friend, Jesus awaits you and has His arms wide open for you. But Satan stands at the opposite end, likewise with his dark cape and arms open to suck everyone into eternal darkness with him. He's a liar who invented all those intricate theories to occupy our minds.
God gave us FAITH, that is faith in Him because He is real, and what you see with the physical eye is the mist. Don't let Satan convince you that you are too smart for God Rational, or any of you who are not with the Lord
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2011 0:43:32 GMT -5
Why? Because it sounds real bad? The conversation leads to kayos and confusion? No rules but the rules of the stronger, the wiser, the learned? All is defined by chance and rational Spock like reasoning? No morality, no absolute truths? You see how easy it is to tear your faithlessness in a God apart? Because with the assumption that there is no God, the moral fabric and all intelligent reasoning as we know it is destroyed because then 'Anything goes, nothing is right or wrong!' Let's stop here. Do you want to discuss this point? You are, in essence, claiming that without a belief in god there is no morality. Can you defend this claim?
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Post by 2 on Jan 27, 2011 1:58:01 GMT -5
triage nurses are used in ER, and as soon as a patient comes into ER. The nurse may be a triage nurse but when there is a single patient there cannot be triage. Triage is the sorting of multiple victims into groups. Their condition is evaluated by someone who may also be the triage person when triage is needed. And that is the meaning of triage Yep. But when there is only a single patient they are not preforming triage. If you want to redefine triage feel free. Those of us who have done it know exactly what it is and what it is not. yes they are, i read it in the manual, wiki. each person is diagnosed. individually. sent to the best care for the condition of the hospital staff, etc. again , you are in error. triage is not just sorting into groups, it is finding the appropriate care for each patient.
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Post by 2 on Jan 27, 2011 3:46:10 GMT -5
Not the best interest of the patient but the best interest of the patients.. , patient or patients. whether triaging or not, the individual patient is utmost importance to any nurse. i will defend that comment.
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