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Post by Annan on Nov 13, 2022 11:25:46 GMT -5
Can’t prove the bible with the bible, Natie.
WONDERLAND IS REAL!
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Post by Annan on Nov 13, 2022 9:41:13 GMT -5
Someone needs to be institutionalized. How did I get myself in this internet institution where Nathan and Wally are preaching hellfire to everyone but who it really applies to - themselves!🤣🤣🤣 Nathan loves the martyr role. The more we oppose him, the more exalted he feels. He thinks he’s Jesus incarnate. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 13, 2022 6:17:00 GMT -5
It seems you haven't studied your Bible lately, Chuck. Peter wrote that the precious blood of the Lamb of God/Jesus was planned by God to shed/died for our sins to SAVE our SOULS before the world was created.... It wasn't something the Jews or the believers came up after Jesus was put to death.
I Peter 1:19-20 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you... Many of the Old Testament believers such as Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, the prophets, King David and others were WAITING for the Messiah to come and SAVE their SOULS from hades... and even in the New Testament believers KNEW the Messiah was coming to save their souls, they KNEW animals sacrifices just a type and shadows of the Blood of the Lamb of God/Jesus who was going to die to SAVE their souls from the eternal lake of fire. Nathan lets review this. You said...... "Peter wrote that the precious blood of the Lamb of God/Jesus was planned by God to shed/died for our sins to SAVE our SOULS"
What Peter acutally said according to the KJV
1 Peter 1:19-20
[19]But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20]Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Nathan added this....
shed/died for our sins to SAVE our SOULS"
HELL BOUND!!! |
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Post by Annan on Nov 12, 2022 18:50:39 GMT -5
"This board is getting too tiresome and boring, time to move on. I don't want to post on here anymore... It drains too much of my energy and time." ** Yes, it does drain my energy and time. I have to learn NOT to engage the attackers and trouble makers on here. There are some nice posters and new readers come here constantly so, I will stay here for them and ignore the attackers. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 12, 2022 18:49:34 GMT -5
"This board is getting too tiresome and boring, time to move on. I don't want to post on here anymore... It drains too much of my energy and time." ** Yes, it does drain my energy and time. I have to learn NOT to engage the attackers and trouble makers on here. There are some nice posters and new readers come here constantly so, I will stay here for them and ignore the attackers.  |
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Post by Annan on Nov 12, 2022 13:35:17 GMT -5
One thing I've learned is that you can't make anyone believe what you believe. Most have made up their minds, and your not open-minded once that happens.
Nothing wrong with push back or disagreeing, its just the personal attacks that go overboard, like demeaning their past, their job, their family, character, etc. Religion and politics are divisive, and people will clash over issues, but the nastiness seems to get out of hand.
I don't think Nathan has any ill-will towards anyone, he just tries too hard to influence people into believing what he's convinced is true.
Sometimes its best to just state your position or belief, but then let a sleeping dog lie, because it does no good to harp on it. Persistence doesn't change minds, anymore than God could soften the Pharaohs heart.
I think you can be a 2x2 and accept it as a true ministry while maintaining some additional beliefs. I do that myself and its harmless as long as you don't abandon the fundamentals.. jmo
When a post has nothing of substance and is just criticism, it doesn't do much good to reply, but there's nothing wrong with defending false accusations or correcting slanderous remarks.
I know that your intent is to message non-members who might only read the forum post, but the regulars here are unmovable. Sometimes you just plant seeds and then leave it in God's hands.
I don't take it that way, it just seems to me that Nathan is reflecting what the bible says, hell is a reality to all who reject the Truth, not a threat.
I've never seen where Nathan implied that anyone not like him will perish, its Jesus who saves souls.
*** Another good post, Dan. There are new 2x2s readers come and read the board every day. The things I posted are for them NOT for the unbelievers on here. They heard and read it for many years already. I just use theit posts to share the Old news again. Their minds already made up, I just let the seeds lay there. All they can do is to skip reading my posts. Thanks, for many of your suggestions. Dan sure hasn’t been reading the same posts I have, and Natie is the biggest liar on the forum. It’s the job of all of us as watchmen to make sure any new readers know the truth about Nathan’s delusions and lies. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 12, 2022 7:49:10 GMT -5
Someone needs to be institutionalized.
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Post by Annan on Nov 11, 2022 10:58:37 GMT -5
Stop lying Atheist, God is watching...NAMI, call them they can help... Not lying Wally. Either you’re going to hell or you have serious mental health issues. Don’t be so pathetic and get the help you think others need first. Don’t you love it when nutters threaten unbelievers with hell? Hysterical! |
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Post by Annan on Nov 11, 2022 9:42:56 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. Some calling! I thought the board was becoming more edifying, and bringing out a better side of Wally too. As soon as NB cam back, the tone lowered, and the aggression levels went backup.
*** FYI, I am Still an internet worker but on somewhere else. I am NOT going to post much on here like I used to. I just drop in to let you folks know I am still alive as Internet worker.  Wally, will take good care of you all here. You are NOT an Internet worker. You are a self appointed nut job. You were driven out of the work, remember. Quit pretending, Natie. You have no authority from or over anyone. You live in a fantasy world. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 11, 2022 8:26:37 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. Some calling! I thought the board was becoming more edifying, and bringing out a better side of Wally too. As soon as NB cam back, the tone lowered, and the aggression levels went backup.
*** FYI, I am Still an internet worker but on somewhere else. I am NOT going to post much on here like I used to. I just drop in to let you folks know I am still alive as Internet worker. Wally, will take good care of you all here. I knew it wouldn’t last. LIAR! |
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Post by Annan on Nov 10, 2022 5:55:28 GMT -5
hahaha... you exes are too much. Wally, is doing a great JOB! He has to put up with you mean exes for 8 years, I have put it up for 20 plus years. This board is getting too tiresome and boring, time to move on.
I don't want to post on here anymore... It drains too much of my energy and time.
And what a complete waste of 20 years that has been for you. You have proved many times that you are unable to stay away, this time will be no different. Exactly. We need to start a betting pool.  |
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Post by Annan on Nov 8, 2022 14:58:06 GMT -5
Yes, sometimes. took more than a few years to get there. There is no one on earth that has the capacity to remember every little past or ancient mistake one makes than a woman. Fact... The woman you speak of is not typical. You must have hurt her badly. Or she hurt him. Why else lash out? |
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Post by Annan on Nov 8, 2022 13:54:28 GMT -5
Ummm don't count on it Brother, women never let things go and nowadays more than a few men too. And you let things go? Women don’t like liars. Men tend to cry “let it go” so they don’t have to explain their intent and motives. Women want the whole story, which often isn’t forthcoming. Just look at how Natie and waldo operate. They give men a bad name. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 8, 2022 8:50:26 GMT -5
Yes! That’s it. Ant rotten. I liked his attitude. Ant rotten is good, I speak to him often on FB Thank you! Tell him, please, that I said hello! |
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Post by Annan on Nov 8, 2022 6:41:41 GMT -5
I like your definition. I don't see why god needs to be in the equation, but I agree that an all powerful all knowing god should be by definition the best we can be with each other. Goodness and compassion are in the doing. That's why Christianity is so popular especially when they stopped making it about 'doing' and said that no one can ever hope to be good enough so all you need to do is believe in Jesus and you'll go to heaven. Deeds can't save you quickly became 'I can't ever be anything but a sinner so why try' but if I say I believe then I'm good to go. I used to think that how you walked in this world was what was important to theists but it's very clear to me that these days deeds don't matter anymore because they aren't necessary to get to heaven anymore. Christianity as we know it is just a tool to control people, Constantine definitely used it to his advantage for example. I don't believe Christianity as we know it represents the scriptures at all as this "believe in Jesus so you can go to heaven up there somewhere when you die" or that we are sinners so why try as you have correctly observed, is nothing at all like the Hebrews taught including Jesus. Sin can be summed up in one word. Selfishness. A sinner is a selfish person. The Christ is a Character that saves you from yourself, Salvation is to rescue, and the OT is a story about people beign rescued from the bondage selfishness puts you in. If the NT is read symbolically it lines up pretty well with the OT Hebrew thought. But if taken literally it just loses the ability to drive people to be transcendent and ends up like what you and many others reject for which is valid and when read literally one has to ignore a lot of Hebrew culture and thought in the OT to make the Literal reading of the NT work. It's just such a big fat lie if you have to ignore so much stuff to make a particular belief system work. As for God in the equation, Im fine with God in the equation now knowing its just a title and not actually a being or the name of a person in the sky or whatever image people want to put to the word, that image when considering the Hebrew people is not what they were talking about anyway. The closest thing to that image is probably the sumarian culture which is probably were the Abraham stories come from. The sun and the moon were god or gods, they sacrificed things of value and cut themselves to please god in the sky as that's where the rain come from, rain as you know is vital for life, they sacrificed children as the more important the sacrifice the more likely god was pleased and might make it rain or they kept cutting themselves until it rained to please god. This is what the stories like Abraham taking Isaac up the mountain was all about, it was nothing new and you went up the mountain to get closer to the God in the sky, the story being someone realising child sacrifice was no longer required, massive leap in the right direction... or laws about cutting and markings on the body, Im sure this was one reason why religious people throught tatoos were from the devil or something, little do they know....Leviticus 19:28....another massive leap in the right direction. Imo scripture in general has been abused and wielded as a weapon, all things it should never be but generally what westerners have done with it, In the OT God was always getting nicer and closer,NT nicer and closer still then western Christianity came along and reversed it, made it conditional and put people into bondage.....they did exactly what it was advising not to do..... Wait for it. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 20:46:43 GMT -5
Copied from another thread... That's the best way to handle it. Put them on ignore and don't reply. It takes two to have an exchange that escalates to where you feel triggered to fight back. ** That is what I have been doing with quite a few people on here but sometimes I want to give them 3 chances and if they acting mean and nasty again I will ignore them for good.
You are constantly claiming to block me, Natie, but you reply to my posts. You are a liar. Prove me wrong. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 20:05:25 GMT -5
I do not seem to be able to handle the back and forth much anymore though. He does get ganged up on. I do understand why. His interaction style is hard to take. But I also wonder if we met him in person whether or not we would understand a bit better why he interacts the way he does? I don't know. I'm not defending his nasty that triggers more nasty. It works both ways. I think maybe it's me that should just shut up. So that's what I'm going to try to do. ** Speak up! Let people know how you feel like you did when they brought Wally's mother in the post. You might make some enemies nut that is part of persecution for standing what is right.
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 20:04:23 GMT -5
Dan wasn't on the board when the conversation took place. He hadn't joined yet. He didn't see your posts and state of mind leading up to it. ** Like I told Snow, this case is closed Dan and I tried to explain it and he is correct! Dan knows how I think and feel about the workers. He explained better than I could ever did. Bull$hit. The case will never be closed until you admit the truth. Liar. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 18:37:44 GMT -5
He definitely hates some of us. No one would talk to other people the way he does if he loved them as he claims. You just couldn't. He does nothing but complain about everyone so why is he here? He likes you, Dan, Shushy (who hasn't posted since I got back), Jetmech (who is no longer with us), and STR who no longer posts here. Oh and Lee. That's not a lot of people. The rest of the group he fights with constantly, is nasty with. So why is he here if all he gets from people is nasty as he claims? *** I am here to discuss with people like you, Dan, Wally, and others on here... If you are nasty, mean I will put you on ignore posts to me. That one way to stop the nastiness, foul mouths, and mean people. You say that but you don’t do it. Liar. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 17:39:50 GMT -5
what you are describing above is humans acting in decent, compassionate ways. It has nothing to do with God in my world. If doing good through humanity is your definition of God, then it's a better definition than most theists have. Being a 'slave' to decent humane acts of kindness I suppose is a good thing?? I certainly wouldn't ever phrase it as that though. Slavery has nothing but bad connotations, but being a 'slave' to kindness and compassion is probably as good as the use of 'slave' there is. IMO that's what these ancient people were getting at if you consider the period culture and language. Its when it gets dragged out of context(western Christianity) its turns into something else entirely. The best way I can describe it is God is a verb, so is Christ, so is Satan....... Scripture read in this light with the period of any given time taken into consideration makes sense to me. To the Hebrew people one thing God was was the title of the highest ideals lived out in ones life, they called that the LORD. And the LORD is gracious compassionate slow to anger and abounding in love and forgiveness. And as the whole story goes anytime they didn't live towards that life or their hearts hardened towards God or they worshipped other Gods they become enslaved to something else, this is repeated over over and over again. It's a story that you need order in your life and you need to live towards the gracious and compassionate character within the period you are living. This physical historical literal reading scripture makes aboute no sense unless we understand what these words and the concepts behind them meant to these people. I acknowledge they were superstitious and God was a lot of things to them that we have now explanations for, but that line of thought misses the point of scripture. I we acknowledge that and put it to one side the wisdom these people have shared is amazing and is still relevant to this very day. Well said, Chuck. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 17:24:46 GMT -5
It was ant something. Not sure. I’m on my phone and not my computer. Sorry to hear about help. One of my friends, her husband, and two children all have Covid right now. Somehow I thought Covid was a thing of the past. I guess it’s making its rounds again. I had it twice. Yes there are a few people I know that have covid again. It's ramping up here again. It's fairly mild variants going around here at the moment. Hopefully it doesn't mutate again and find a way to get through the vaccines like Omicron did. We have Omicron specific vaccines here at the moment so hopefully that will bring the numbers down. BTW it was ant_rotten I remember now. Yes! That’s it. Ant rotten. I liked his attitude. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 17:23:26 GMT -5
So you are only nice to people who are nice to you? I have not been nasty to you. I have disagreed with you but that's not being nasty. You only like me if I don't disagree with you. I used to be on that list above. Now I'm not. All because I disagree with you. You don't love our souls or you would quit with tactics that have proven time and time again to be the wrong approach on here. *** I don't ever get nasty with you because you haven't done that to me. When we don't agree I just say I agree to disagree and leave it there and move on. I don't need to mean and nasty about it. However, if you attack me, my family and I ask you NOT to do it and you keep on doing it. I will find ways to STOP you from doing it. One way is to block us. How hard is that? |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 17:21:42 GMT -5
Why do they need to stop being nasty before you will? Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe THEY have had enough and that's why they are striking back at you? You keep doing the same thing over and over and expect them to quit? It doesn't work that way. So I'm done. Keep being nasty. I don't care anymore because you obviously don't care to try a new way of interacting. I will try very hard to ignore and not worry about the nasty here anymore. Rings bell - all opponents come out fighting! ** Like I say MANY times be nice and respectful to me and I will do the same. If you want to fight and being nasty I will do the same. *face palm* |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 16:56:31 GMT -5
Nathan, I don't call people names or get nasty when I stand up for myself. I simply say I disagree and if the conversation comes to a stalemate I agree to disagree. When have you ever seen me post nasty things like you post? ** Hey, I tried that but they keep pushing me closer and closer to the edge. Enough is enough! Tell Annan the Witch, guest8, Margaret, MrD and Curly stop being nasty and I will do the same. Simple rules. Tell me what I said about you that is not true. I keep asking but you don’t reply. The truth is the truth, Natie. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 16:53:42 GMT -5
I think I about Rational too. And Ant Crazy? Who was Ant Crazy? So no one knows what happened to Rational? Just an update about help He and his wife are recovering from covid and doing better. It's been a tough go for them both. It was ant something. Not sure. I’m on my phone and not my computer. Sorry to hear about help. One of my friends, her husband, and two children all have Covid right now. Somehow I thought Covid was a thing of the past. I guess it’s making its rounds again. I had it twice. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 16:50:13 GMT -5
Nathan, I don't call people names or get nasty when I stand up for myself. I simply say I disagree and if the conversation comes to a stalemate I agree to disagree. When have you ever seen me post nasty things like you post? ** Hey, I tried that but they keep pushing me closer and closer to the edge. Enough is enough! Tell Annan the Witch, guest8, Margaret, MrD and Curly stop being nasty and I will do the same. Simple rules. How hard is it to block us like you said you blocked me? Liar. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 16:48:59 GMT -5
You have a short memory then. I did exactly that when Wally's mother was brought into the conversation. Also, you are the one that claims to be a Christian. So your actions are supposed to be above that of us atheists. But in many ways you not only get nasty with them, you get nastier than many of them ever have been. So if you are really as good a christian as you keep saying, maybe it's time to rise above the nasty and see just how well that works to quit the nasty directed back at you. *** Sorry! The Bible teach BIG "If" possible NOT to strike back... God doesn't want the unbelievers to use His people as walking Carpet like the Witch/Annan doing to me on here! Enough is Enough. You sure don't stand still when people attacking you over and over! You spoke up. I KNOW the games the Witch are playing on here. She will get what she deserves. Be nice and respectful and I will do the same. Very simple rules. Bull$hit, Natie. Anyone who disagrees with you gets a dose of threats of hell fire from you. Thought you blocked me. Another lie. Hell bound. |
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Post by Annan on Nov 7, 2022 16:18:35 GMT -5
I am sad to report that our own Yknot died toward the end of 2020. I do not have many details and I never asked if it would be ok to share his identity. I know that he battled serious health problems during his last years. I just read this. So sorry to hear that. We talked often in private message on here. He had such interesting thoughts about things. Since I haven't been on here for two years, I've been wondering what happened to Rational? I think I about Rational too. And Ant Crazy? |
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