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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 14:28:52 GMT -5
** I explained to the Admin. about the 5% warning and I told him he should read the whole thread NOT just the bits and pieces people sent to him. He apologized. What about all the other times you were put in timeout?
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 14:27:46 GMT -5
Dear sweet Natie…. Please understand that I am called to be a watchman and warn others of your Asian mindset that leads you to delusional conclusions. That you get so worked up and need to be given timeouts days it all. Again I ask why you ignore Jesus’s words and refuse to dust off your feet and walk away from where you are not wanted? Hell bound. Then there’s your obsession with witches and spells! You sure have a lot to repent for. You must be on your knees 24/7! BTW…. Aren’t you supposed to be working? Who’s taking up the slack? Your poor wife? At the gas station you said you sold? Performing my watchman duties...
This is for any newbie to the forum reading Nathan’s posts.
Nathan is NOT a worker. Nathan was driven out of the work for not having a submissive spirit. He abandoned his worker duties and ran away for a non-professing woman. Nathan teaches doctrine contrary to what the workers teach. Nathan is a self-appointed internet worker troll. Nathan’s own family doesn’t believe his delusions. Nathan claims certain workers should be hung as he says they preach false 2x2 doctrine. Nathan says the British Royal Family are evil alien reptilians and had Princess Diana killed. Nathan claims everything he says is true, but provides no proof. Nathan was NOT born and bred in the cult. He is without understanding of what others have suffered at the hands of a lying and controlling cult. Nathan constantly spouts lies about the origins of the cult when there is paramount proof otherwise. Nathan is NOT a 2x2 but a 1x1 preaching science fiction and Frank Stranges gospel and Jesus lives in Venus. Nathan has NOT gone to Sunday morning meetings for years but works at a gas station he says he sold. Nathan posts continuously online at work leaving his poor wife to shoulder the burden... at a gas station he says he sold years go. Nathan posts continuously at home abandoning his wife and child. Nathan shows no fruits of the spirit, only ugliness and condemnation. When backed into a corner, Nathan keeps saying “let’s agree to disagree” then turns around and trashes those that don’t agree with his delusions. And then there’s the plagiarism! Nathan is the father of lies.
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 13:18:31 GMT -5
FLU SEASON 🌊 IS HERE !! 2 pediatric deaths already two more in hospital . Yes Covid - is still around . So do be careful . I have had 6 vaccinations Flu shot New pneumonia vaccine Shingles vaccine I think that covers it all . After January hospitalization I continue to battle chronic bronchitis with infection in sinuses and ears . Getting used to it . Stay safe ! My doctor insisted I get a pneumonia shot. I had a serious reaction to my second covid shot an even more serious reaction to a booster. I’ll take my chances with covid as I don’t know what else to do. I have two friends that died of covid that weren’t vaccinated. One said his god would protect him. *sigh*
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 12:48:32 GMT -5
I didn’t watch the video, but from how it sounds, I believe it is a program I once saw on TV. Just might change your mind. I look at it as we all have different personalities and our brains are all wired differently. Some people are psychopaths because that’s simply how they’re wired. Do they have a choice in carrying out their crimes? I can see saying yes they do, but I can also see you saying no they can’t. It’s like when you’re hungry for something, you have to fulfill and satisfy that hunger. Of course you do have a choice to starve to death. Yes they do have a choice, as do all of us. I also watched a program once, and it was saying how some murderers started by watching things on the Internet, and they started watching stuff and it got worse and worse until they got to the stage of killing people themselves. If they hadn't of carried on watching things on the Internet in the beginning, then maybe they wouldn't have gone on to kill. I believe that if I have a wrong thought then I have to try and nip it in the bud before it gets worse and do what's right instead. I have a choice whether I do things or not, I also think what would Jesus do. We all have free will, even Jesus had free will as he said to the father not my will but thy will be done. And God's will was for Jesus to bare witness to the truth, for him to come and show us and teach us how to live before God. I understand your position and respect it. I’m very much science minded and disagree fundamentally. All good.
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 12:30:31 GMT -5
They have repeatedly shown that they have poor observation skills. Guest8 is not bitter and there's something wrong with your observation skills to think that. You're the only one who agrees with them. You don't even realise how you put people off Christianty so how can you assess others observation skills, you don't even have your own house in order, so to speak. Christians no longer come on this board because of how you treat them. You're even out of step with professing people on this board. Believing the planets are hollow including earth and that Jesus lives inside venus shows how far off track you are. It is you who are bitter towards the workers going as far as saying they should be hung for not believing what you do but claiming that one day they will. No other 2x2 on here accepts yours and wallys behaviors 1) Dan from TMB wrote 9/2020 :
A big deal and a lot of fuss has been made over that simple statement... I would suggest taking it as a harsh figure of speech that's not taken literally, but just a dysphemism instead of a euphemism. I'm sure Nathan was not suggesting that "Someone should get a rope!".... But figuratively expressing his disapproval of those who spew the anti-trinity doctrine.
When one denounces the divinity of Christ, and they don't believe that "I and my Father are one" or "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father", then from a spiritual perspective, they are essentially hanging themselves. If Christ were just a man separate from the Father, he'd have no power or authority to save anyone, nor could he be our intercessory for prayer. He was a divine sacrifice from the onset.. "His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life" (2 Peter 1:3). My comment was speculative, but generally people aren't being literally serious when they use an expression like that. It would be like me saying that anyone who voted for Biden ought to be hung.. That would generally just be construed as an off-handed comment expressing my disapproval of Biden.. Likewise, Nathan was a Worker and I'm sure considers co-Workers friends, so commonsense would dictate that he wasn't literally advocating for the hanging of anyone.
I didn't see the post, but I'm convinced it was just a figure of speech used to emphasize his disagreement with the anti-trinity doctrine. Example; If I were diametrically opposed to Catholicism, I might say "All Catholics ought to be taken out and shot", but I certainly wouldn't anticipate anyone blowing it out of perspective and taking me literally. Such is the case with Nathan's comment, the objections to it have been way over-blown, and I'm sure no one sincerely believes he was serious. ~~ Nathan: Amen, Dan... some People like Annan, a proclaim Witch and those like her on here take my posts out of context on here many times and they repeat it over and over when I already explained to them many times in the past. Jesus often use figure of speech like in Jesus said in Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jesus/God said to the church at Pergamos in Rev. 2:14-16 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.Jesus’ Use of Figurative Language Use of Figurative Language Including Notes from The Method and Message of Jesus/ Teaching by Robert H. Stein www.eldrbarry.net/clas/gb/b26figure.pdfJesus is from Venus/heave is True. The earth is Hollow and most of the billions planets in the Milky Way galaxies and in the Universe are Hollow NOT Solid as we have been taught in school.
Dan admits that he didn’t read your original post and didn’t read all the posts that led up to you blowing a gasket. We know you a lot better than Dan obviously knows you. Obviously the admin thought you meant what you said. Weren’t you banned for a while because of what you said about workers needing to be hung? Tell the truth now. God is listening.
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 11:05:09 GMT -5
For any new readers here! ** And we feel the same about your constant ugly posts demeaning others. No one cares what you think or what you think about any of us. You are are delusional. We are all only trying to help you understand the truth about yourself. Here is why no one cares about what you think or say...
Nathan is NOT a worker. Nathan was driven out of the work for not having a submissive spirit. He abandoned his worker duties and ran away for a non-professing woman. Nathan teaches doctrine contrary to what the workers teach. Nathan is a self-appointed internet worker troll. Nathan’s own family doesn’t believe his delusions. Nathan claims certain workers should be hung as he says they preach false 2x2 doctrine. Nathan says the British Royal Family are evil alien reptilians and had Princess Diana killed. Nathan claims everything he says is true, but provides no proof. Nathan was NOT born and bred in the cult. He is without understanding of what others have suffered at the hands of a lying and controlling cult. Nathan constantly spouts lies about the origins of the cult when there is paramount proof otherwise. Nathan is NOT a 2x2 but a 1x1 preaching science fiction and Frank Stranges gospel and Jesus lives in Venus. Nathan has NOT gone to Sunday morning meetings for years but works at a gas station he says he sold. Nathan posts continuously online at work leaving his poor wife to shoulder the burden... at a gas station he says he sold years go. Nathan posts continuously at home abandoning his wife and child. Nathan shows no fruits of the spirit, only ugliness and condemnation. When backed into a corner, Nathan keeps saying “let’s agree to disagree” then turns around and trashes those that don’t agree with his delusions. And then there’s the plagiarism! Nathan is the father of lies.
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 11:00:23 GMT -5
They have repeatedly shown that they have poor observation skills. Guest8 is not bitter and there's something wrong with your observation skills to think that. You're the only one who agrees with them. You don't even realise how you put people off Christianty so how can you assess others observation skills, you don't even have your own house in order, so to speak. Christians no longer come on this board because of how you treat them. You're even out of step with professing people on this board. Believing the planets are hollow including earth and that Jesus lives inside venus shows how far off track you are. It is you who are bitter towards the workers going as far as saying they should be hung for not believing what you do but claiming that one day they will. No other 2x2 on here accepts yours and wallys behaviors 1) Dan from TMB wrote 9/2020 :
A big deal and a lot of fuss has been made over that simple statement... I would suggest taking it as a harsh figure of speech that's not taken literally, but just a dysphemism instead of a euphemism. I'm sure Nathan was not suggesting that "Someone should get a rope!".... But figuratively expressing his disapproval of those who spew the anti-trinity doctrine.
When one denounces the divinity of Christ, and they don't believe that "I and my Father are one" or "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father", then from a spiritual perspective, they are essentially hanging themselves. If Christ were just a man separate from the Father, he'd have no power or authority to save anyone, nor could he be our intercessory for prayer. He was a divine sacrifice from the onset.. "His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life" (2 Peter 1:3). My comment was speculative, but generally people aren't being literally serious when they use an expression like that. It would be like me saying that anyone who voted for Biden ought to be hung.. That would generally just be construed as an off-handed comment expressing my disapproval of Biden.. Likewise, Nathan was a Worker and I'm sure considers co-Workers friends, so commonsense would dictate that he wasn't literally advocating for the hanging of anyone.
I didn't see the post, but I'm convinced it was just a figure of speech used to emphasize his disagreement with the anti-trinity doctrine. Example; If I were diametrically opposed to Catholicism, I might say "All Catholics ought to be taken out and shot", but I certainly wouldn't anticipate anyone blowing it out of perspective and taking me literally. Such is the case with Nathan's comment, the objections to it have been way over-blown, and I'm sure no one sincerely believes he was serious. ~~ Nathan: Amen, Dan... some People like Annan, a proclaim Witch and those like her on here take my posts out of context on here many times and they repeat it over and over when I already explained to them many times in the past. Jesus often use figure of speech like in Jesus said in Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jesus/God said to the church at Pergamos in Rev. 2:14-16 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.Jesus’ Use of Figurative Language Use of Figurative Language Including Notes from The Method and Message of Jesus/ Teaching by Robert H. Stein www.eldrbarry.net/clas/gb/b26figure.pdfJesus is from Venus/heave is True. The earth is Hollow and most of the billions planets in the Milky Way galaxies and in the Universe are Hollow NOT Solid as we have been taught in school.
You just love posting the posts of others that sing your praises. We know what you’re all about, Natie. We’ve got your number, sweetie. For two years you said nothing till Dan gave you a way out. You meant what you said when you said workers should be hung. Everyone knows it. Tell the truth now. God is listening. Science that was created by your God, the laws of the universe, prove your hollow planet delusions wrong, Nathan. And please explain why the holy spit tells you one thing and tells other people the complete opposite. You keep avoiding that question. Why is that? We can always tell when you’re getting desperate, sweetie. Go preach to your Hellbound wife and son and leave us the freak alone. Jesus said to dust off your feet when people don’t listen. Why don’t you obey the words of Jesus? Do you have nowhere else to go where are you are received with open arms? Jesus won’t like that you disobey his word. Hell bound.
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 9:39:11 GMT -5
I haven't watched the video yet but I will. As for free will, we all have a choice to do it or not, so we all have free will. I didn’t watch the video, but from how it sounds, I believe it is a program I once saw on TV. Just might change your mind. I look at it as we all have different personalities and our brains are all wired differently. Some people are psychopaths because that’s simply how they’re wired. Do they have a choice in carrying out their crimes? I can see saying yes they do, but I can also see you saying no they can’t. It’s like when you’re hungry for something, you have to fulfill and satisfy that hunger. Of course you do have a choice to starve to death.
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 8:17:51 GMT -5
[quote author=" nathan" source="/post/1031906/thread" timestamp="1668752501" [/quote] That is what you get for possessing the Hebrews mindset, you can't understand it. Gotquestion.org explains better than I can for your Hebrews mindset to understand. Perhaps, others will appreciate the message of Vicarious atonement.
[/quote] ** And your pitiful asian mindset gives us jesus lives in venus, fWank stranges gospel, Valient Thor, and other delusional bull$hit. There is a reason you were thrown out as a worker, Natie. You are NOT a 2x2. Get a clue.
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 8:12:45 GMT -5
Nathan the sacrifice as payment idea didn't really get going until the 11th century. Chuckie, the Lamb of God/Jesus Sacrifice as payment for the atonement of the mortal beings it was planned by the Godhead before the foundation of the world was created. The idea didn't start until the 11th century.
I Peter 1:19-20 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Hebrews 10:1-9 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 in burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Sweet sweet, Natie. I keep telling you that you can't use the bible to prove the bible. I do understand, however, that your asian mind is not capable of understanding such things. We all need to hold a prayer vigil for you that you get the help you need for your delusions. Hang tight, sweetie.
Oh... WONDERLAND IS REAL!
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 8:08:52 GMT -5
Natie is obsessed with me. I mean who doesn’t know he’s fascinated by witches. I haunt his dreams. I’m his fantasy. He’s under my spell. Why should I write another poem when this one works so well? What Natie doesn’t realize is that he casts a spell on himself every time he posts my poem. That’s why I wouldn’t recommend that you dance naked in the forest for him, Annan! Please don’t feed his obsession 🤣 All right. I see your point. And as I said, it is a bit cold here. Brrr...
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Post by Annan on Nov 18, 2022 8:07:21 GMT -5
If you think Nathan is obsessed with you, I don't think he's the one who's delusional And while you poke fun of his beliefs, your beliefs of casting spells and all are on the far edge of insanity to most people.. jmo
What spell casting "and all" would that be? I post a silly poem and Nathan goes berserk.
Kindly remember prayers are spells.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 18:44:41 GMT -5
Hebrew people used symbolic theatre all the time. With this in mind to me Jesus is saying unless I ME and MY goes away the bondage free influence cannot come into our life. Or another way to look at it, unless man goes away the Christ character cannot be present. It's basically selfish and unselfish cannot be together, so the selfish character which these people describe as man or worldly, unless you put man aisde you can never be generous to others, so put your selfishness where no one can see it. 7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:9 about sin, because people do not believe in me;10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. - John 16:7-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John16:7-11&version=NIV** Chuckie, your interpretation of the Bible is weird, Crazy and comical. One of the reasons Jesus went away because he had finished the paid the priced of the atonement for our sins. On the Cross Jesus said "It's Finished!" Jesus part of our redemption was paid in full so, after that He sent the Holy Spirit to take over or be in charged of His New Testament apostolic ministry and to guide and protect the Church until He returns. When the Holy Spirit came down from heaven Jesus ascended back to heaven and to be with God the Father, while the Holy Spirit was on earth to continue the gospel work with the apostles and the True believers on earth. Hysterical!!! Jesus lives in Venus, Fwank Stranges gospel, Valient Thor… Tell me again who the nut case is? You’ve never answered my question, Natie, as to why the holy spit tells people different things, sometimes the opposite.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 17:28:29 GMT -5
What is strange to me is that we wore pants and shorts when the workers weren’t around. I always felt why are we lying? We watched TV too but kept it hidden when the workers were coming. Thankfully they were rarely at our home. I was allowed to have friends. They just simply weren’t allowed in the house but that was my mother’s rule. I wasn’t allowed to play sports and I wasn’t allowed to go to college because “there’s no knowledge in the grave”. However, my younger sister went to college. Actually both of my younger sisters went to college. Don’t know why that rule applied only to me. That's how you act when you are a slave or someone owns you..... Exactly. My mother was a slave to my dad under the cult rules and she did not profess. She refused all life-saving measures when she found out she had cancer. She went the way she wanted to go because she led one miserable life. How she was going to die was the only free choice she made. My dad‘s dead. He’s history. My only regret is that he outlived my mother. I can’t be angry because I don’t want to carry that with me. To be angry would give him control over my life and I refuse to do that. Can’t say it doesn’t hurt though what he did to my mother. I hurt for her.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 16:50:46 GMT -5
What is strange to me is that we wore pants and shorts when the workers weren’t around. I always felt why are we lying? We watch TV too but kept it hidden when the workers were coming. Thankfully they were rarely at our home. I was allowed to have friends they just simply weren’t allowed in the house but that was my mother’s rule. I wore pants to school (once schools allowed girls to wear pants) and around the farm of course. I also wore bathing suits and shorts. But Sunday was skirts only and no swimming. Also at first with the pot luck get togethers it was skirts for women only but that rule went by the wayside after a few years and we were allowed to wear pants to those outings that were not on Sunday. We never met up with any other cult members. Growing up we knew no other children who were two by twos. So we really didn’t have anyone to impress or tell on us. Guess that’s why we really didn’t follow the rules unless the preachers were around. When the preachers were around, we had to sit quietly on Sundays in our dresses. Again, I never understood lying to the preachers. I mean I do understand it but my parents were liars I guess. Pretenders. My mother didn’t profess but she was under my dad’s control so she might as well have professed. Am I angry? You bet.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 16:43:05 GMT -5
I’m assuming then that you were told that we don’t call attention to ourselves. I was always preached that verse about the shy little violet. I guess that was the mentality for it. I don't think I ever heard it said quite like that. In fact I don't remember them ever giving me a good reason for not allowing sports other than 'no, you can't do it'. I found it a bit of a mystery why when we got together with the friends for pot lucks we could play baseball then. In our skirts of course! Oh those crazy days where nothing made sense, don't question and don't be different. What is strange to me is that we wore pants and shorts when the workers weren’t around. I always felt why are we lying? We watched TV too but kept it hidden when the workers were coming. Thankfully they were rarely at our home. I was allowed to have friends. They just simply weren’t allowed in the house but that was my mother’s rule. I wasn’t allowed to play sports and I wasn’t allowed to go to college because “there’s no knowledge in the grave”. However, my younger sister went to college. Actually both of my younger sisters went to college. Don’t know why that rule applied only to me.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 16:22:08 GMT -5
Cherie's book is a history book. A history of the 2x2 church you claim to belong to. It does not have any religious teaching purpose at all. I am wasting my time telling you this. Everyone else understands that, but you are far too stupid to understand such a simple fact as that. Hey! If you want to drink the Kool aid fills with poison go for it. In Eternity don't say nobody has warned me about it. Good grief. My father always taught me that you need to learn all you can about your enemy in order to understand how they think and what position they’re coming from. What you’re afraid of is your world crashing down around your ears once you realize the facts and not the lies that you’ve been believing for years. Can you be a bigger idiot? I doubt it.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 16:16:18 GMT -5
John 16:7 [7]Nevertheless G235 I G1473 tell G3004 you G5213 the truth; G225 It is expedient G4851 for you G5213 that G2443 I G1473 go away: G565 for G1063 if G3362 I go G565 not G3362 away, G565 the Comforter G3875 will G2064 not G3756 come G2064 unto G4314 you; G5209 but G1161 if G1437 I depart, G4198 I will send G3992 him G846 unto G4314 you. G5209 Strong's Number - G1473 Greek: ἐγώ Transliteration: egō Pronunciation: eg-o' Definition: A primary pronoun of the first person I (only expressed when emphatic): - I me. For the other cases and the plural see G1691 G1698 G1700 G2248 G2249 G2254 G2257 etc. KJV Usage: I (365x), my (2x), me (2x), not tr (1x). Occurs: 370 In verses: 334 Yes Nathan you do need to go away so the comforter can come.......... I MY ME, all the things you are with your religion Nathan, if that Character goes away maybe the Christ Character will return in you and you can present a bondage free influence on TMB....... *** Your Hebraic mindset has clouded and Messed up your thinking. It was Jesus speaking, I, me and mine NOT me. Jesus commanded his apostles and true followers to teach what He had taught them and they too shall teach others also. Then they too shall pass it on to the next generation and it will continue on to the time of Jesus returns to establish His Eternal kingdom on earth. So, the true messengers can't go away stay true to the place God has given them to fill in this life journey. Your holy spit mindset has totally screwed you up, Natie. You seriously need to stop listening to those voices in your head. It’s called schizophrenia. Please get help. Attention everyone! We need to hold a prayer vigil for Natie to get him the help he needs to overcome his delusions and schizophrenia. Please bend the knee. Oh my gosh! I can write a spell. It would be a prayer really and not a spell and I’m sure that would be okay. But then are prayers really spells? Oh well, there goes that idea. No worries, Natie. We’ll figure it out. Hang tight.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 16:11:15 GMT -5
Cherie's book is a history book. A history of the 2x2 church you claim to belong to. It does not have any religious teaching purpose at all. I am wasting my time telling you this. Everyone else understands that, but you are far too stupid to understand such a simple fact as that. Hey! If you want to drink the Kool aid fills with poison go for it. In Eternity don't say nobody has warned me about it. What the freak are you babbling about, Natie? We all know you’re afraid of the truth because your world will come crashing down around you. We all know how fragile your mental state is. Please get help.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 16:09:04 GMT -5
It’s really quite funny. I think I was completely incapable of critical thinking back when I went to meeting. I don’t think I really listened much. It was SO boring and I have always had trouble with holding attention. However my belief was total so I don’t think I would ever have thought to question what people said. It went without saying that it was correct. Bizarre as now I question nearly everything and very nearly drive everyone crazy! Who was that kid?!!! Trust me you were probably better off 'never questioning' while you still had to attend. Quitting professing at 12 when I did question, made my teenage years at home pretty hard. I had parents that believed I shouldn't be associating with my school friends and the friends kids were not allowed to be around me unless supervised for the most part. The first year after I quit it was a lonely time. I did finally get permission to have some school friends, but I was never allowed to play on sports teams, go on trips with the school etc. I had to have sleep overs at my friends in order to be on a baseball team and I couldn't travel with them if I couldn't get permission for a sleep over, which was often at first. So my ability to play team sports was quite hampered by the 2x2 thoughts on sports. I also competed in gymnastics as long as it was in town and during school hours, but of course after school was out it was not allowed. I loved sports and was pretty good at them so I do regret that about my childhood. I’m assuming then that you were told that we don’t call attention to ourselves. I was always preached that verse about the shy little violet.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 16:07:39 GMT -5
I didn't hear the trinity mentioned in any meetings, but I admit that I rarely paid attention. As a child, I had no choice to go to meetings. I was led to water, but I didn't drink. We lived in a remote area and it was rare that any workers attended our Sunday morning meetings. We had a worker visit every couple of years. I remember only my grandma and an elderly couple that were regulars. My grandmother and the elderly couple took turns hosting meetings. It was an hour drive to the elderly couple's house. I read somewhere that there are few 2x2's in Pennsylvania. We did attend convention every year and a few special meetings, usually around Easter and Christmas. Now that I think about it, there was another group of folks that met for meetings in a nearby town. Why we didn't meet up with them, I don't know, as my parents knew them and talked about them. A child from one of the other groups is a doctor and a member here. I forget who, though. I wouldn't out them anyway. I didn't attend meetings after I left my parents' home in the late 70's. I do, however, remember my parents talking about the trinity. I always seemed to be their sounding board. Yes I had to attend meetings too until I left home. I can empathize with that. I hated it after I quit professing because it always felt like I was being judged. Some didn't, I know that, but a majority of them sympathized with my parents to have a daughter that no longer 'was willing'. You did good never professing. I was a bit gullible before I turned 12... lol I was always the black sheep. I questioned everything. I was told not to question god. I told them I wasn’t questioning god but man.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 15:23:18 GMT -5
I remember when the Trinity idea was going around among the two by twos. I’d rather think it was the word they objected to because I remember my parents saying that word trinity isn’t in the Bible. So I think sometimes the concept of certain things can be accepted but not the words themselves. I remember being taught that Trinity is a Catholic concept and word. That made it most assuredly hands off. I was totally out of the meetings circle by 1973 so I likely missed the debate about the Trinity when it became known to the 2x2's. I had never heard of it while I was going to meetings. I never went to a meeting again once I left home in 73. I didn't hear the trinity mentioned in any meetings, but I admit that I rarely paid attention. As a child, I had no choice to go to meetings. I was led to water, but I didn't drink. We lived in a remote area and it was rare that any workers attended our Sunday morning meetings. We had a worker visit every couple of years. I remember only my grandma and an elderly couple that were regulars. My grandmother and the elderly couple took turns hosting meetings. It was an hour drive to the elderly couple's house. I read somewhere that there are few 2x2's in Pennsylvania. We did attend convention every year and a few special meetings, usually around Easter and Christmas. Now that I think about it, there was another group of folks that met for meetings in a nearby town. Why we didn't meet up with them, I don't know, as my parents knew them and talked about them. A child from one of the other groups is a doctor and a member here. I forget who, though. I wouldn't out them anyway. I didn't attend meetings after I left my parents' home in the late 70's. I do, however, remember my parents talking about the trinity. I always seemed to be their sounding board.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 14:51:37 GMT -5
You're forgetting that many of us had family professing during that period and were raised by them. You're a new boy who thinks he knows more than he does. Exactly. My grandfather professed in around 1918 and it was Willie Jamison that spent the winter at his ranch and taught him about the 2x2's. You would think my grandfather would have believed in the Trinity if that was truly what the early workers taught. But no. In fact I never even heard of the Trinity concept until I started researching the history of Christianity. I listened to my grandfather and father give their testimony and never any mention of Jesus being anything other than a man until he died. I never heard it from Stanley Lee or Stanley Sharpe who were the workers I professed through and they had been in the work a long time. I professed in the 60's and Stanley Lee was quite old and had been in the work for 25 years before I professed. He would have known about the trinity. But again, no mention of such a thing. I remember when the Trinity idea was going around among the two by twos. I’d rather think it was the word they objected to because I remember my parents saying that word trinity isn’t in the Bible. So I think sometimes the concept of certain things can be accepted but not the words themselves. I remember being taught that Trinity is a Catholic concept and word. That made it most assuredly hands off.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 14:47:25 GMT -5
** Natie never answers when I ask why the holy spit tells people completely opposite things. Seems the holy spit may be a product of the imagination, especially when it comes to Natie. That's all it is, nothing more, nothing less. I would go one step further and call it schizophrenia.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 11:50:15 GMT -5
You think an EX-2x2 Cherie K. book can help me to see the Truth in Jesus? You got to be out of your mind ex-2x2 elder. You are going the same direction as your ex-2x2 Chuckie from down under. Cherie's book is a history book. A history of the 2x2 church you claim to belong to. It does not have any religious teaching purpose at all. I am wasting my time telling you this. Everyone else understands that, but you are far too stupid to understand such a simple fact as that. Natie is scared his world will come crashing down due to facts. It’s obvious his mental state is very fragile.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 10:08:41 GMT -5
Natie never answers when I ask why the holy spit tells people completely opposite things. Seems the holy spit may be a product of the imagination, especially when it comes to Natie. Many things Nathan claims can literally only be a product of his imagination, this is not mocking him it's just literally how it is. He cannot show us anything tangible about many of his claims or beliefs. ** I understand faith. What I don't understand is not giving any credence to provable facts. One must have an open mind (as Natie claims) but not so open that your brains fall out as his brain appears to have done. Poor guy. We should hold a prayer vigil for him. Seriously. I would dance naked in the forest for him, but it's currently cold as a witch's tit where I live.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 9:17:30 GMT -5
Natie never answers when I ask why the holy spit tells people completely opposite things. Seems the holy spit may be a product of the imagination, especially when it comes to Natie. Many things Nathan claims can literally only be a product of his imagination, this is not mocking him it's just literally how it is. He cannot show us anything tangible about many of his claims or beliefs. ** What annoys me is that he constantly uses the Bible to prove the Bible. Using that scenario, Wonderland is real. He doesn’t get it. What he also doesn’t get is that nobody’s really trying to prove him wrong. He can believe whatever he wants to believe, but what he doesn’t do is a allow any of us to believe what we believe. Yes, you should believe some thing as deeply as Nathan believes it, but what you can’t do is tell everyone else they’re wrong. Then there’s his constant need for attention and martyrdom. He just thrives on that. Nathan thinks he’s Jesus’ twin brother. I wouldn’t be surprised if he fantasizes about pushing God off the throne. Seriously.
EDITED TO ADD: Since I'm on the subject... The other thing that bugs me about Natie is that he either doesn't read the posts of others or he is not capable of understanding the written word. You tell him one thing and he goes off on a tangent about the complete opposite of what was said. I don't get it. I thought he was brighter than that. Guess I am wrong.
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Post by Annan on Nov 17, 2022 8:36:37 GMT -5
Jesus said about the Holy Spirit in John 16:7-16 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they believe not on me; of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. 2) John the apostle wrote in 1John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The trouble is Nathan you are the Holy Spirit police. The Holy Spirit has guided me for the last two years studying Hebrew culture and it has lead me to see that you don't know what you are talking about....... ** Natie never answers when I ask why the holy spit tells people completely opposite things. Seems the holy spit may be a product of the imagination, especially when it comes to Natie.
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