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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 20:31:54 GMT -5
and by inference or deductive reasoning you can't see Jesus supporting the law in leviticus 18 and 20 with these verses?
Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luk_16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
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Post by Archie on Mar 25, 2014 20:51:58 GMT -5
Says it all Gene. :-) But I am concerned for GLBTI folk in her country. |
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Post by faune on Mar 25, 2014 21:09:06 GMT -5
Gene ~ That Russian reporter didn't seem too sad over Fred Phelp's passing? In fact, she seemed elated as she kept breaking up with laughter over reading her lines. 
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Post by faune on Mar 25, 2014 21:23:46 GMT -5
God couldn't find even 10 righteous in the city of sodom and gomorah so i think that goes to show that whatever they were doing was wrong and he killed them for it just becuase he didn't list every single sin they were doing doesn't mean it wasn't a sin i'm sure that there were liers and thiefs and murders and those weren't mentioned also...the real verses that speak out against homosexuality are in leviticus 18 and 20 romans 1 and 1 corinthians 6 i think thats pretty clear in and of itself...
"I challenge you to say where Jesus ever mentioned it." (homosexuality)
All the places that you referred me to was NOT the words of Jesus!
Dmmichgood ~I agree with you. I don't believe you will find any direct quotes within the Gospels indicating Jesus speaking out against homosexuality itself. However, under the category of "sexual immorality" he did make a few comments. This writer seems to believe it would be included under this category? 
wbmoore.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/christ-did-speak-out-against-homosexuality/
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 25, 2014 21:34:23 GMT -5
A (Slightly Awkward) Conversation........
How can I be misunderstanding your words, hangingout?
I'm not sure how. I have been trying to be very clear.
I've just been copying your own words.
One time, you appeared to think I had written something I was only quoting -- but I did use quotation marks, so... ? And on another point, you came to a different conclusion to what I actually meant, because when you repeated it back to me, I knew that wasn't what I meant. I don't think you're doing that on purpose though. Have you been listening to yourself?
I do try to be aware - so YES
Or me?
I have been listening to both of us.Maybe it is you who needs to "chill out."
 I think it could be both of us, in all honesty. But if you don't want to own that, so be it...
I'm fine.
Okay. Hard feelings doesn't enter into the picture.
Okay. Well, good, 'cause I really hope not!
You express yourself, I express my self.Yep!!You believe in patriarchy.
I believe in Biblical patriarchy - NOT patriarchy as defined by radical Feminists.I believe in equality for men and women.
So do I. But again, in the Biblical sense, not in the Feminist sense. Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
You believe that homosexuality is a "sin".Homosexual acts are, yes.I don't think sin has anything to do with it.I know - you don't believe in God at all, so naturally, you're not going to see it in terms of God's laws and such.I believe there is Heterosexual-Homosexual Rating Scale, sometimes referred to as the “Kinsey Scale,” where research findings showed people did not fit into neat and exclusive heterosexual or homosexual categories.No need to take that on faith, you can be certain that existed. (Only joking here)Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time.
Sexual behavior, thoughts, and feelings ~ not consistent, fluid? Changeable? I would think so.
There is also the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid, and the Multidimensional Scale of Sexuality.
Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.
I think the fluid aspect of sexuality which these scales show presents 'just a little hiccup' for those who claim that that sexual orientation "cannot change." It has. It does.
dmmichgood,
The "plagiarizing" came in when you copied text from a website without properly crediting them -- such as not using quotation marks, making the text appear as your own.
On page 9 of the Baptist Church A Dangerous Cult? thread, you cut, paste, and copied others' comments from the internet into your post without quotation or crediting the source, which source I found anyway and proved (where they came from) in my subsequent post.
I would appreciate, from someone whose signature is PROVE IT! any real attempt on your part to prove the assertions you copied.
professing.proboards.com/thread/20945/baptist-church-dangerous-cult?page=9
"I challenge you to say where Jesus ever mentioned it." (homosexuality)I also stand by my post that you cut from another and pasted here.
Call it "plagiarizing" if you like, you can do that, however it doesn't make it less true.
Thank you for the chance to post it again:
The Sin Of Sodom According To Jesus Was NOT Homosexuality" The sin of Sodom was homosexuality, according to many Christians (but not according to the Bible).
We are told by modern preachers that Sodom’s destruction proves that homosexuality was the problem in Sodom and therefore, homosexuality is wrong.
The problem with that viewpoint is that it goes against the testimony of history and the testimony of scripture.
For 1700 years after God destroyed Sodom, the human authors of the Bible and the Jews as a nation described Sodom's sin as lack of hospitality, pride, idolatry, greed or gluttony but never as homosexuality.
The wickedness of the people of Sodom is well attested in ancient Jewish writings yet the Biblical witness never links Sodom to homosexuality.
The belief that God destroyed Sodom because of “homosexuality” is a late interpretation.
It came into being approximately 1700 years after the destruction of Sodom.
No human author of the Old Testament linked Sodom with homosexuality.
In fact, until the inter-testamental period, around 150 BC to AD 100, it is difficult to find any Jewish literature which links Sodom with homosexuality.
Since the Biblical text makes no mention of homosexuality, anti-gay commentators must read INTO the text, something the text does NOT say, in an attempt to make scripture say what they wish it said.
Moses and Ezekiel emphasize Sodom’s lack of hospitality, greed, idolatry, gluttony but never mention homosexuality as the sin of Sodom.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 25, 2014 21:58:43 GMT -5
A (Slightly Awkward) Conversation........
How can I be misunderstanding your words, hangingout?
I'm not sure how. I have been trying to be very clear.
I've just been copying your own words.
One time, you appeared to think I had written something I was only quoting -- but I did use quotation marks, so... ? And on another point, you came to a different conclusion to what I actually meant, because when you repeated it back to me, I knew that wasn't what I meant. I don't think you're doing that on purpose though. Have you been listening to yourself?
I do try to be aware - so YES
Or me?
I have been listening to both of us.Maybe it is you who needs to "chill out."
I think it could be both of us, in all honesty. But if you don't want to own that, so be it...
I'm fine.
Okay. Hard feelings doesn't enter into the picture.
Okay. Well, good, 'cause I really hope not!
You express yourself, I express my self.Yep!!You believe in patriarchy.
I believe in Biblical patriarchy - NOT patriarchy as defined by radical Feminists.I believe in equality for men and women.
So do I. But again, in the Biblical sense, not in the Feminist sense. Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
You believe that homosexuality is a "sin".Homosexual acts are, yes.I don't think sin has anything to do with it.I know - you don't believe in God at all, so naturally, you're not going to see it in terms of God's laws and such.I believe there is Heterosexual-Homosexual Rating Scale, sometimes referred to as the “Kinsey Scale,” where research findings showed people did not fit into neat and exclusive heterosexual or homosexual categories.No need to take that on faith, you can be certain that existed. (Only joking here)Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time.
Sexual behavior, thoughts, and feelings ~ not consistent, fluid? Changeable? I would think so.
There is also the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid, and the Multidimensional Scale of Sexuality.
Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.
I think the fluid aspect of sexuality which these scales show presents 'just a little hiccup' for those who claim that that sexual orientation "cannot change." It has. It does.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2014 22:46:21 GMT -5
(PS: I don't don't care much for phrases like "May God bless you" in an attempt "sweeten" up a post. I really can't see such phrases as sincere, but more of an attempt to show themselves to be "holier than thou") thats really very cynical... Not really. Most of the time it is very true that it is said to make it sound like they are 'holier than thou'. After all Christians are 'saved' and all others are heathens. To say God bless to an atheist is really worthless so why else would they say it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 0:36:31 GMT -5
i don't remember dmmichgood telling hangingout she was an atheist...even i don't know i've just "assumed" she was by her position on things...
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Post by faune on Mar 26, 2014 7:00:40 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Mar 26, 2014 10:07:05 GMT -5
i don't remember dmmichgood telling hangingout she was an atheist...even i don't know i've just "assumed" she was by her position on things... It's pretty obvious don't you think? And I do think she has said she doesn't believe in a God or the bible. Which is why hanging out said what she did about dmg not being a believer. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 26, 2014 10:45:34 GMT -5
The only thing that you have proven is that you have read a lot of things that suited you own opinions.
Perhaps that is why when you have expressed your opinions on homosexuality, you are called "hurtful names?"
I'd like to recap.
I have cited scriptural backing for my viewpoint.
You have plagiarized blogs for some of your posts here about scripture (which are nevertheless inaccurate) as backing for your viewpoint.
I am a Bible-believer.
You have already stated on numerous occasions on this forum that you have no use for any God.
I have provided historical proof for the removal of Homosexuality as a "disorder" from the diagnostic manual in Psychiatry (a fact which is abundantly proveable and even enshrined in gay history as a coup). And you have responded that I am only listening to negative fundamentalist views, while ignoring all the primary sources I've read which prove my point.
Now you appear to be suggesting that I have deserved to be called hurtful names for my opinions. More recently you are bristling with indignation that I would even suggest you google feminist writers on patriarchy since you know some personally and have their books in your library.
I know you are passionate about what you hold to be true. But to be passionate is still not proof. I've read a lot, too, and I just happen to disagree with a lot (but not all) of Feminist assertions.
As many gay people have openly acknowledged, the Bible DOES forbid homosexual acts. Only recently have people tried to argue that it doesn't. I have read their arguments because many blogs I've been to recycle the same points, over and over.... These interpretations just do not hold up, by the Bible. (Many of those arguing these points do not even have confidence in Scripture in the first place.) Many see the Bible as the "source" of "homophobia", so they are trying to cut it out at its "roots" so to speak. They want to further the idea that Frank Kameny is famous for turning into a slogan: "Gay is Good." I wholeheartedly agree that Gays should never have been beaten up, kept from jobs they were qualified for, called hurtful names, or worse: killed. This treatment is definitely a terrible stain on American history, and not an example of Christian love.
But however well-meaning people may be who want to show their support for gays, I oppose their trying to use the Bible to say something that it doesn't. The solution is still Jesus, his merciful love and grace, repentance and forgiveness - and not rebellion toward God.
We all are brought to sin due to our lusts is that not true? Lusts don't just address sexual persuasion, but address many of the "I have to have's" of mankind. Riches, Cars, HOuses, and always keeping up with the Joneses type of mentality! And usually people that show such mentality are in their younger years...but time teaches us all what is important to sustain our lives on earth and for some, to sustain our salvation unto life eternal. Paul wrote in the bible about our concupiscences.....they are sins.....letting anything be a "ruling desire" is a sin...even in marriage though the bed is undefiled, those in that marriage unit do have to learn not to stay in the bed or act like they're in the bed all the time. They were also encouraged by Paul not to defraud each other except it be for a time of prayer and meditation, to keep their constancy for one another.... But our lusts draw us into sin....if we let them..... and as you've stated "The solution is Jesus, his merciful love and grace, repentance and forgiveness - not rebellion towards God." |
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Post by faune on Mar 26, 2014 12:16:40 GMT -5
Just making the point once again that not every person that faces the pain of rape, incest, or molestation goes towards same sex . some do. some don't. I can see how this could take place in a few instances due to misinterpreting the reason for the sexual advances. However, I would think that anybody in these circumstances of rape, incest, or molestation would be sickened by such and would not want to go down that road themselves and become like their abuser? |
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Post by faune on Mar 26, 2014 12:57:03 GMT -5
(PS: I don't don't care much for phrases like "May God bless you" in an attempt "sweeten" up a post. I really can't see such phrases as sincere, but more of an attempt to show themselves to be "holier than thou") thats really very cynical... Not really. Most of the time it is very true that it is said to make it sound like they are 'holier than thou'. After all Christians are 'saved' and all others are heathens. To say God bless to an atheist is really worthless so why else would they say it? Well, among Christians, it's just a friendly gesture ~ like saying "God bless you" for a kindness or "Have a blessed day" or "Take care and God Bless," which are slogans sometimes used among Christians in conversation. I used these slogans sometimes myself with friends of the Christian persuasion. However, if a Christian said this to a known atheist, who shares no belief in gods, I would probably interpret it as a "personal dig" or tongue-in-cheek humor on their part? JMT
Now, I'm curious as to where this actually took place on this thread for the sake of context?
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Post by faune on Mar 26, 2014 13:17:16 GMT -5
"I challenge you to say where Jesus ever mentioned it." - quoteAnd I accept the challenge...
I think this site has a good reply, so I'll include it here:thecripplegate.com/is-it-true-that-jesus-never-addressed-homosexuality/
Also, I would add to the above arguments, Jesus' words in Revelations 21:5-8:
"And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
These are recognized by Christians as the words of the one (Jesus) "who was seated on the throne."
One could ask, "But what does he mean by "the sexually immoral"?"
Sexual Immorality
All of a Christian's rules defining what is sexually immoral come from Leviticus (18).
This includes sex with all near relations (which are still generally-agreed upon and observed today in the world); homosexuality; bestiality.
The apostles (including Paul) met to talk about what parts of the law could or should be laid upon the gentiles (in Acts 15:19 through 21) at what's commonly called the First Jerusalem Council. This was necessary because of some confusion coming about because of Paul's preaching regarding the law. After some debate, they all agreed that gentiles have to avoid, among three other things, sexual immorality.
The apostles (with one exception) are Jewish men. They don't have any other "holy scriptures" but the Hebrew scrolls. They have the scrolls of the law, called the Torah, which are the first five books of the Bible, the words of the prophets, and other writings. What THEY mean by "sexual immorality" is not some "new and improved" definition - it is what is already defined from the Law.
Jesus, in Revelation 21:5-8, is also not making a new definition of sexual immorality. Remember what he said while incarnate about the law?
Matthew 7:21-23
"“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
Yes, Jesus affirmed the law regarding what is sexually immoral, and so did the apostles of the New Covenant.
This is the original and long-held understanding. It's only in the last few years that some people have insisted that we've had "a wrong understanding all these years" and that homosexuality is not forbidden in the Bible. Their arguments lie on very shaky ground.
May God bless you.
& Where are your proofs?
So this is the "stand-off" that some were referring to on this thread with the "May God bless you" salutation at the end? I wondered what everyone was talking about here, so I did a search to find it. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2014 0:03:33 GMT -5
So this is the "stand-off" that some were referring to on this thread with the "May God bless you" salutation at the end? I wondered what everyone was talking about here, so I did a search to find it.
When I have asked for where Jesus ever even mentioned homosexuality, all the replies have never been the words of Jesus!!
All kinds of Old Testament verses and New Testament verses were cited and NONE of them have been the words of Jesus!!
None!
People will take verses and interpret them as Jesus condemning homosexuality but it is only their interpretation, the implication of what they want to see in them.
People seem to want to see the verses where Jesus spoke of Sodom as being against homosexuality, but it doesn't say that!
He also commented on Tyre, Sidon, Capernaum!
S0 I guess my challenge still remains:
I challenge anyone to say where Jesus ever even mentioned homosexuality
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2014 0:08:45 GMT -5
That was hilarious!
She kept get hung up on the Fred Phelp's phrase, "God hates Fags"
I don't know if she was confusing "fags" as in smoking or what!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 0:35:02 GMT -5
i think faune answered it best with the catagory of sexual sin being condemed by Jesus in the afore mentioned matt 19 and mark 7 do with that what you will...
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Post by faune on Mar 27, 2014 0:40:17 GMT -5
That was hilarious!
She kept get hung up on the Fred Phelp's phrase, "God hates Fags"
I don't know if she was confusing "fags" as in smoking or what! For a news broadcast, this sounded more like a comedy hour on late night. I wondered if this was a taping before broadcast we were watching? It was hilarious for Russian TV! |
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Post by faune on Mar 27, 2014 0:47:19 GMT -5
i think faune answered it best with the catagory of sexual sin being condemed by Jesus in the afore mentioned matt 19 and mark 7 do with that what you will... Thanks, Wally! However, even under those scriptures it could only be inferred under "sexual immortality." Jesus' compassion for all sinners or human beings was what stood out to me in the gospel accounts. Mary Magdalene's story in John 8 is a good example in this area in which she was caught in the very act of adultery and taken out to be stoned. This chapter also tends to validate the fact that Jesus viewed himself not only as the Son of God ~ but also as God the Son, as exemplified within the Holy Trinity concept. In other words, "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost" ~ three separate essences in One Person.
In conclusion, Jesus also speaks about judgment as shown below:
15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
www.lwf.org/site/News2?id=11037 (Definition of Trinity concept)
wbmoore.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/christ-did-speak-out-against-homosexuality/ (Homosexuality Discussed in Bible) #1
thecripplegate.com/is-it-true-that-jesus-never-addressed-homosexuality/ (Homosexuality Discussed in Bible) #2
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8&version=KJV (John 8:7-18)
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Post by faune on Mar 27, 2014 2:05:10 GMT -5
Wally ~ Basically, this was the argument from the website I cited earlier which states that although Jesus did not address homosexuality within the Gospel accounts; he did through inspiration of the Holy Spirit to his apostles, whose words were viewed as God inspired. However, I believe it possibly could be inferred within Matthew 15:18-20 and Mark 7:20-23, where Jesus mentions sexual immorality?
wbmoore.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/christ-did-speak-out-against-homosexuality/
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2014 10:42:08 GMT -5
That was hilarious!
She kept get hung up on the Fred Phelp's phrase, "God hates Fags"
I don't know if she was confusing "fags" as in smoking or what! Apparently she's talking about 13 brown bears and other animals that protect a marijuana crop in BC Canada. Subtitles aren't actually what she's talking about. LOL |
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2014 10:46:23 GMT -5
i think faune answered it best with the catagory of sexual sin being condemed by Jesus in the afore mentioned matt 19 and mark 7 do with that what you will... Sexual sin has been lusting after your neighbor's wife, having sex when not married. No where does it say that if you're married and love your partner and have sex that you have committed sexual sin. Not by Jesus anyway. So if churches would allow gays to marry they should be just fine in his eyes. Of course, Jesus never actually said anything himself that someone hasn't just repeated and interpreted before they repeated it. He never wrote anything, that we have found historically anyway. |
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Post by faune on Mar 27, 2014 11:55:14 GMT -5
i think faune answered it best with the catagory of sexual sin being condemed by Jesus in the afore mentioned matt 19 and mark 7 do with that what you will... Sexual sin has been lusting after your neighbor's wife, having sex when not married. No where does it say that if you're married and love your partner and have sex that you have committed sexual sin. Not by Jesus anyway. So if churches would allow gays to marry they should be just fine in his eyes. Of course, Jesus never actually said anything himself that someone hasn't just repeated and interpreted before they repeated it. He never wrote anything, that we have found historically anyway. Snow ~ From researching this topic fairly recently myself, I could find no actual words of Jesus in any of the Gospels that mentioned homosexuality directly. There were just two places in Matthew 15 and Mark 7 that speak of "sexual immorality" as being one of the sins that come from inside our hearts in conjunction with a whole bunch of other sins grouped together. From what I have seen within the gospels, Jesus only address the matter of marriage and fornication outside of marriage. There was no mention of homosexual preferences in this exchange. Jesus also stated in John 8 that although He claimed to be the Son of God and also God the Son, he didn't come to judge human flesh for their sins, but to provide a means of redemption for all mankind. However, in the epistles, we get a clearer picture from the words of Paul regarding homosexuality and other sins of the flesh.
Paul seemed to have addressed homosexuality the most in Romans and I Corinthians. Also, Peter, James, Jude, and John made a few references to sexual immorality in their epistles, but not to the extent that Paul did. The argument that most Christians make today is that Paul did this under "divine inspiration" of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, it is viewed as coming from Jesus Himself through Paul. Hopefully, this makes my point clear relating to this subject matter? I highlighted in bold the different verses and comments that pertain this conclusion in my earlier post. However, I feel Dmmichgood stands correct in her assessment that Jesus never made any statements along these lines and that it's only found within the different epistles of the apostles ~ especially Paul's letters! Although she may claim to be an atheist today, she does know her Bible quite well from past study of scriptures herself.  In my personal opinion, Paul does address the area of homosexuality pretty directly in some of his letters ~ especially as found in Romans and I Corinthians.
Here's my previous post regarding this matter from Page 6 of this thread:
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2014 13:36:37 GMT -5
faune, as far as I'm concerned Paul's words are just that, words. He had no authority whatsoever, he just thought he did. It has been speculated he was homosexual and that was the 'thorn' he spoke of, so maybe that's why he spoke against it? Personally I don't think he was or that was the reason, but I suppose it's always a possibility. Too bad he didn't just accept who he was if that was the case instead of bad mouthing those who choose same sex partners.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 13:48:20 GMT -5
2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
that thorn could mean anything...
this verse leads me to believe he was even married...
1Co_9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2014 15:57:15 GMT -5
i think faune answered it best with the catagory of sexual sin being condemed by Jesus in the afore mentioned matt 19 and mark 7 do with that what you will...
You still haven't answered any verse where JESUS stated anything about homosexuality!
I challenge anyone to say where Jesus ever even mentioned homosexuality
Every verse that anyone has stated is only an assumption on the part of the one doing the posting!
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Post by faune on Mar 27, 2014 16:11:56 GMT -5
2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. that thorn could mean anything... this verse leads me to believe he was even married... 1Co_9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? Wally ~ LOL ~ are you saying that the "thorn in the flesh" might have been his wife? Actually, it's a common fact that men ruled the roost in the Jewish faith and women were considered nothing more than personal possessions that they could use as they wish and dispose of when they got tired of them and wanted a change. A woman could have even been divorced for burning the evening meal back in those days!  That's why the "writ of divorce" was created in the first place to help these women hold on to a little bit of their self respect and dignity in such a situation and avoid become temple prostitutes to survive as a result. Jesus, on the other hand, gave women the respect they deserved and treated them as equals within a marriage, where one partner compliments the other and shows equal respect.
However, Jesus addressed this matter in Matthew 19:1-12 regarding his opinion about marriage and that it was God's intention that only for sexual immorality (adultery) a divorce should be granted. Also, in I Corinthians 14:34-35, Paul actually came across as a male chauvinist in his attitude towards women in the church.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2019%3A1-12%3B%20I%20Corinthians%2014%3A34-35&version=ESV;NIV
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2014 16:43:06 GMT -5
i think faune answered it best with the catagory of sexual sin being condemed by Jesus in the afore mentioned matt 19 and mark 7 do with that what you will...
All other verses and Paul's verses just do not count! In all of them someone is just interpreting them as fits their own ideas.
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I think it could be both of us, in all honesty. But if you don't want to own that, so be it... 
In my personal opinion, Paul does address the area of homosexuality pretty directly in some of his letters ~ especially as found in Romans and I Corinthians. 
That's why the "writ of divorce" was created in the first place to help these women hold on to a little bit of their self respect and dignity in such a situation and avoid become temple prostitutes to survive as a result. Jesus, on the other hand, gave women the respect they deserved and treated them as equals within a marriage, where one partner compliments the other and shows equal respect.