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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:22:36 GMT -5
I know. And the problem is -- they leave the lights on while they're at it. Sick.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 31, 2014 21:23:00 GMT -5
...As I've already expressed here, there are elements of "gay culture" that I find shocking and repulsive (S & M comes to mind, as well as other weirdness.) ... Wait! What? There's S & M in gay culture?!? And here I sit in my vanilla, white-bread life, hanging out with the wrong crowd once again, missing out on all the fun. But, wait -- the Marquis de Sade favored women, right? And "Fifty Shades of Grey" by E. L. James -- I've purposely avoided it because I thought it was about a heterosexual couple. No? It's so confusing... Poor Gene!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:23:44 GMT -5
I was having my full body massage. By whom? I prefer the blindfold. Less distracting that way.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:25:17 GMT -5
This really brings up the reason people block a user. The easiest solution is simply not to read the person's posts. Or, if you do read them, don't respond. If you have to resort to a block what does that say about your own self control? It would seem to me that the idea is to send a message that you don't like the person's point of view. That you are so intolerant that you cannot even bare to see it. That you wish the person would simply not post. But, of course, blocking is meaningless unless you inform the person. I've only blocked one person and it is really because his posts are so long! I don't want to have to scroll past them all the time!First two guesses don't count.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 31, 2014 21:25:45 GMT -5
Snow shared...
The thing is you never answered her question either. There is no where in the bible where Jesus talks about homosexuality, never mind that he felt to be a crime. In fact, Jesus never wrote a thing. Everything we have that is attributed to Jesus is what someone else says he said.
I acknowledge that she does use capitals when she has to ask the same question over and over. We love her. We understand her. She stands up for civil rights, she speaks out against beliefs that threaten those civil rights. You just happen to not believe in the right of all citizens to have equal rights to be served in a public place. That is discrimination and she has every right to be upset when people show that in their posts. She is an amazing woman that has seen a lot more than most of us. Been involved in more human rights groups than I even knew existed. She is an intelligent, well learned woman that has read extensively. She has gone from being a believer in God in the 2x2 system to understanding that God is a creation of man. That is to be commended imo. I'm sure you don't agree with me, but I don't see that as a bad thing actually. Snow ~ You pretty much summed up my own feelings relating to Dmmichgood, too. I appreciate and admire her defense of civil rights for everybody, the clear statement of her beliefs, and her intelligence in addressing an issue with facts to back it up. I seldom find a need to check her sources, because I know she has done her research ahead of time and speaks from knowledge as well as a wealth of experience. She has lived long on this earth and now into her 80's, but she has no problem expressing her thoughts or opinions on this Board. Perhaps some of us may not agree with them all, but she clearly states them in an understandable fashion. It's because of these facts that I stood up for her here on TMB in the past when others were maligning her character.
It's also because of my Christian beliefs, that I feel respect should be shown to people who differ in their beliefs as well as for those who are born with a pre-disposition in their sexuality, making them different from the rest of us. I don't feel anybody should be "dissed" because of their religious beliefs or inborn traits which are part of their human wiring ~ regardless what the Bible has to say about it.
Thank you,faune!
I hope I live up to your & snow's expectations.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:28:42 GMT -5
There is no good reason to be anti-bible. Thoughts like that lead to the burning of books. Ideas are not dangerous. Text is not dangerous. The problem arises when people read the text and follow it in ways that are harmful to other people. Thoughts/ideas/beliefs are not immoral - actions are. That is true. It's the acting out what is in the book that is a problem. Thank you for the correction. You mean I'm not being nasty when I'm just watching? ?
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Post by faune on Mar 31, 2014 21:29:56 GMT -5
neat work around, but is that the job you really want to continuously quote dmmichgood so that hanginout can see her posts? seems like speaking in the wind to me... I will quote dmmichgood if there is something I want to say in response to one of her posts. I won't repost just to put dmmichgood's posts in view of hangingout. (Although I did this a few hours ago to illustrate the point, then thought better of it and deleted that post.) Hangingout shouldn't be surprised to still see dmmichgood's posts from time-to-time. The points are that 1. People who are interested in what dmmichgood has to say will read what she has to say and will see it as part of the conversation whether hangingout ever sees it or not. 2. hangingout is building a reputation here on TMB for better or for worse. Anyone who posts here does. Matisse ~ I had wanted to share earlier that the only way somebody who is blocked can be seen by the other person is if they "open the window" to their post to view the contents or if somebody quotes that person in a response back to them. I learned that fact through Edy/Sylvestra informing me she had me blocked on TMB. When I asked how she could see my post and respond, she told me that she had the option to "open the window" to my comments or she could view them when somebody else quoted me. Since I have never used the block myself, I was dumb-founded as to how it actually worked. I even did a little experiment afterwards on that thread by blocking Edy in return to see how it looked and then I removed the block. Now, if I get ticked at somebody, I guess I can always go back and repeat that procedure until I cool off? However, what works best for me seems to be leaving the Board and doing something else for a while, like going for some good exercise at the YMCA and returning with a fresh perspective and better attitude.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:30:04 GMT -5
...As I've already expressed here, there are elements of "gay culture" that I find shocking and repulsive (S & M comes to mind, as well as other weirdness.) ... Wait! What? There's S & M in gay culture?!? And here I sit in my vanilla, white-bread life, hanging out with the wrong crowd once again, missing out on all the fun. But, wait -- the Marquis de Sade favored women, right? And "Fifty Shades of Grey" by E. L. James -- I've purposely avoided it because I thought it was about a heterosexual couple. No? It's so confusing... A big orgy might settle that problem for you.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 31, 2014 21:31:47 GMT -5
Gene, if S&M culture were paraded among heteros I would find it every bit as repulsive. No favoritism Where's the parade? I had to pay the last time I saw some good hetero S&M. But the videos are a lot less expensive than all the S&M clubs in town -- you just can't participate. Honestly, I compared the ratio of straight S&M clubs in town to gay S&M clubs, and it was about 7 to zero. But it turns out that when the heteros want some S&M it includes some mild homo for icing on the cake. Can you just imagine that .. here in quiet little Las Vegas. Oh! surely not! surely not in Las Vegas!
Now, I'm completely disillusioned with the whole world
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:36:52 GMT -5
Where's the parade? I had to pay the last time I saw some good hetero S&M. But the videos are a lot less expensive than all the S&M clubs in town -- you just can't participate. Honestly, I compared the ratio of straight S&M clubs in town to gay S&M clubs, and it was about 7 to zero. But it turns out that when the heteros want some S&M it includes some mild homo for icing on the cake. Can you just imagine that .. here in quiet little Las Vegas. Oh! surely not! surely not in Las Vegas!
Now, I'm completely disillusioned with the whole world I knew there had to be somewhere all those Mormons went on Saturday night.
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Post by rational on Mar 31, 2014 21:45:06 GMT -5
S&M sexual practice is much more prevalent among heterosexuals. You are against role playing? How do you feel about B&D? Probably many people are into a B&D type of relationship without seeing it as such. After reading posts I could see you topping from the bottom! Gross. Let's think about this. In the midst of the throes of your lovemaking you tell you partner what you would like and that request is honored. You have become the dominate player and your partner the submissive player in the game of love. Or you could let your partner believe they are in charge and then direct them with subtle clues - or in the jargon of the game - topping from the bottom!
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Post by rational on Mar 31, 2014 21:47:12 GMT -5
I was having my full body massage. By whom? :) I heard it was a self-massage.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 31, 2014 21:47:31 GMT -5
Good grief! Now you attack, faune,- insinuating the reason for her bolded of your quote was an insult!
When she simply wanted be sure that what you said was noticeable!
Attacks on the person rather than sticking to the subject does get tiresome after awhile!
Miss/Mrs./Ms dmmichgood, I have tried to be patient, but you take offense at everything I write. I can't even recognize my thoughts after you've processed them through what I've come to regard as your self-righteous filter. I find your liberal use of exclamation points and large font a form of internet screaming, which is a form of bullying. I feel that I have no choice but to block your comments from being visible to me. And for the sake of your blood pressure, I would recommend you block mine, too. I would be much more open to discussion with you if you could remain calm. I know you are surrounded by friends and well-wishers, but their apparent tolerance of your fuming style amazes me. I would have thought someone would have brought it to your attention, in all fairness. Hangingout, does it make any difference to you whether I am Miss/Mrs./Ms dmmichgood?
It is quite all right for you to block my comments from being visible to you, if they are bothersome, but I really don't have to block yours -for the sake of my blood pressure, or otherwise. My blood pressure is really quite good, but thanks for your consideration.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 31, 2014 21:49:17 GMT -5
By whom? I heard it was a self-massage. Rational, shame on you!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:50:25 GMT -5
By whom? I heard it was a self-massage. Now THAT is totally disgusting.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 21:51:25 GMT -5
By whom? I heard it was a self-massage. How would I know -- I had my eyes closed.
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Post by rational on Mar 31, 2014 21:51:34 GMT -5
I heard it was a self-massage. Now THAT is totally disgusting. We don't have the visual that you do!
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 31, 2014 21:54:36 GMT -5
I will quote dmmichgood if there is something I want to say in response to one of her posts. I won't repost just to put dmmichgood's posts in view of hangingout. (Although I did this a few hours ago to illustrate the point, then thought better of it and deleted that post.) Hangingout shouldn't be surprised to still see dmmichgood's posts from time-to-time. The points are that 1. People who are interested in what dmmichgood has to say will read what she has to say and will see it as part of the conversation whether hangingout ever sees it or not. 2. hangingout is building a reputation here on TMB for better or for worse. Anyone who posts here does. Matisse ~ I had wanted to share earlier that the only way somebody who is blocked can be seen by the other person is if they "open the window" to their post to view the contents or if somebody quotes that person in a response back to them. I learned that fact through Edy/Sylvestra informing me she had me blocked on TMB. When I asked how she could see my post and respond, she told me that she had the option to "open the window" to my comments or she could view them when somebody else quoted me. Since I have never used the block myself, I was dumb-founded as to how it actually worked. I even did a little experiment afterwards on that thread by blocking Edy in return to see how it looked and then I removed the block. Now, if I get ticked at somebody, I guess I can always go back and repeat that procedure until I cool off? However, what works best for me seems to be leaving the Board and doing something else for a while, like going for some good exercise at the YMCA and returning with a fresh perspective and better attitude. You know one good thing about someone telling you that they have blocked you?
They don't dare answer anything that you say, otherwise they are admitting that they did take a peek at your post after all!
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Post by faune on Mar 31, 2014 22:01:57 GMT -5
Oh! surely not! surely not in Las Vegas!
Now, I'm completely disillusioned with the whole world I knew there had to be somewhere all those Mormons went on Saturday night. Bob ~ Now you're making fun of all those "family value" people in the Mormon faith ~ shame on you!
You do know that Harry Reid in the Senate is also a Mormon? I wonder if he checks out those clubs himself? According to this Wiki article, Harry Reid plans on seeking re-election in 2016. That should make some Tea Partiers really happy in the U.S.A. ~ NOT HAPPY!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2014 22:05:52 GMT -5
The thing is you never answered her question either. There is no where in the bible where Jesus talks about homosexuality, never mind that he felt to be a crime. In fact, Jesus never wrote a thing. Everything we have that is attributed to Jesus is what someone else says he said. I acknowledge that she does use capitals when she has to ask the same question over and over. We love her. We understand her. She stands up for civil rights, she speaks out against beliefs that threaten those civil rights. You just happen to not believe in the right of all citizens to have equal rights to be served in a public place. That is discrimination and she has every right to be upset when people show that in their posts. She is an amazing woman that has seen a lot more than most of us. Been involved in more human rights groups than I even knew existed. She is an intelligent, well learned woman that has read extensively. She has gone from being a believer in God in the 2x2 system to understanding that God is a creation of man. That is to be commended imo. I'm sure you don't agree with me, but I don't see that as a bad thing actually. Thank you snow!
You make me blush!
I hope I'm as good as you believe me to be.
imo, you are.
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2014 22:08:42 GMT -5
That is true. It's the acting out what is in the book that is a problem. Thank you for the correction. You mean I'm not being nasty when I'm just watching? ? Not unless your religious. All you need to sin is to even think about, let alone watching it lol.
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Post by faune on Mar 31, 2014 22:22:50 GMT -5
You're thinking is correct. That is why I have never been wrong. Other than that one time when you wrote "you're" but actually meant "your." Rational ~ Your "auto editor" is sleeping on the job! Gene caught you in another blooper!
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Post by hangingout on Mar 31, 2014 22:36:44 GMT -5
"If there was anything that was worth defending in those beliefs" and if there were some truth to them, they would not be "be picked apart pretty much endlessly". What I'm reading: Contempt"The things in the bible should be things no decent person would condone when it comes to stoning your children," The one example I've found of that relates to debauchery and drunkenness, hardly something an actual child would be capable of. [Deut. 21:18-21] Nevertheless, yes, capital punishment for profligacy and drunkenness is not something society would advocate today, of course. Simply put, Jesus is The Way. "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral.....nor drunkards....will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor. 6:9-11"killing homosexuals" Harsh, no doubt. The moral reservation remains (part of sexual sin) but we don't respond to it in the same way, obviously."selling your daughters," Selling your daughters...that is out of context, you know. Slavery was part of near eastern culture, and conditions in this period were brutal all around. He instituted laws which gave some gradient steps forward, i.e., improvements. Just as you wouldn't instruct first graders in Calculus, but bring them up gradually, step by step, precept by precept, God's laws were leading a brutal society to a higher form of social interaction. Conditions in the ancient near east had some common features (purification/cleansing rituals; sacrifices (plant, animal, drink, and human sacrifice; pan/polytheism; theocracy; "sacred" prostitution; divination and magic) and God (YHWH) dealt all of these by forbidding some and refashioning others.
Child sacrifice, polytheism, prostitution in all its forms, and divination and magic were outlawed.
Leviticus 19:29, "Do not debase your daughter by making her a prostitute, or the land will be prostituted and filled with depravity."
The laws around slavery www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021 were actually improvements in their time.
From our comfortable chairs today we might scoff at these, but when we do, we forget that the incremental steps outlined in the laws of the Bible led, over centuries, to the ultimate Way, Jesus, who taught us that all of the laws and the prophets hang on these two commandments: Loving God first and loving our neighbor as ourselves.
"Does this not raise some pretty major red flags for you at all?" Seen by that armchair today, sure. Seen as they were: incremental improvements necessary in their time, no. Leading to Jesus, no red flags. Because now we have the New Covenant. Now we have The Way: Jesus.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 23:05:51 GMT -5
Now THAT is totally disgusting. We don't have the visual that you do! I'm not telling you ANYTHING about what I was visualizing.
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Post by faune on Mar 31, 2014 23:15:18 GMT -5
We don't have the visual that you do! I'm not telling you ANYTHING about what I was visualizing. Bob ~ LOL ~ It's time to go to bed. You and Rational are on a roll tonight with your visualizing. Sweet dreams! I'm calling it a night!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 23:16:27 GMT -5
I knew there had to be somewhere all those Mormons went on Saturday night. Bob ~ Now you're making fun of all those "family value" people in the Mormon faith ~ shame on you!
You do know that Harry Reid in the Senate is also a Mormon? I wonder if he checks out those clubs himself? According to this Wiki article, Harry Reid plans on seeking re-election in 2016. That should make some Tea Partiers really happy in the U.S.A. ~ NOT HAPPY!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid
Oh yes, Harry is a good Mormon. I don't know him personally, but I know his son, who is a very helpful ally with one of my activist interests. The thing I like about the Reed family is that they make no issue of their Mormonism when dealing with people of other "value" systems -- especially the "value system" I am concerned about. As a matter of fact, when I was teaching school no parents were more supportive of me than Mormon parents. As a matter of fact I got a lot of praise from them. Unlike the snotty Christian mother who wanted me fired because the French word for a seal is "phoque". You should have heard her the day I sang the song "La Belle Petite Phoque en Alaska" for the class.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 23:18:22 GMT -5
I'm not telling you ANYTHING about what I was visualizing. Bob ~ LOL ~ It's time to go to bed. You and Rational are on a roll tonight with your visualizing. Sweet dreams! I'm calling it a night!
Oh Gosh. Some of the dreams I have at night. One dream got abruptly interrupted when I discovered myself on my hands and knew on the floor and all the blankets and pillows there with me. I hate giant spiders.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2014 23:20:12 GMT -5
You mean I'm not being nasty when I'm just watching? ? Not unless your religious. All you need to sin is to even think about, let alone watching it lol. Oh no. I'm going to need some psychotherapy to get out of this one.
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