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Post by inatent on May 12, 2004 19:02:06 GMT -5
Who ever really believed in him?
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Post by hinds on May 12, 2004 20:51:56 GMT -5
I did. He was a clean fun innocent way of excitement in a time where imagination and love and family made childhood such a wonderful time.
My parents never placed a "religious" meaning to Christmas. Neither did any of our professing or non professing family.
I was one of 28 Grandchildren to a set of Grandparents who were true and faithful to God. They showed love and honor in all they did. They also understood the difference in enjoying a childs happy face on Christmas Day as they showed them the gifts they got. They never had a bad or judgemental word to anyone about celebrating a time of "magic" in a world that certainly had its share of negitives, even back then.
Santa came to all good little girls and boys - it gave us something special to look forward to. I still believe in Santa. He makes me feel good. There is nothing wrong with innocent fun and family closeness during the holidays.
I believe in things that show the promise and hope that life isnt just sadness and uncertanty.
This does not take anything away from my spiritual beliefs nor does it take a higher place in my life.
We all need to be like a kid. It was an innocent time.
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Post by inatent on May 12, 2004 21:12:19 GMT -5
I did. He was a clean fun innocent way of excitement in a time where imagination and love and family made childhood such a wonderful time. . . . . Did? What about now? Is he real? inatent
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Post by LM on May 12, 2004 21:20:11 GMT -5
Methinks there is a hidden agenda to inatents question. Beware! He seeks to find out if something that has an effect on people is real... like the Holy Spirit? Now He IS real!
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Post by hinds on May 12, 2004 21:21:58 GMT -5
I like to think its fun for the holidays.
I know he isnt a "real" person.
I know the Holy Spirit is "real"
lol
Love, Peace, And Fun
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Post by inatent on May 12, 2004 21:27:49 GMT -5
. . . . I know he isnt a "real" person. . . . . But once you believed he was a "real" person, and now you don't? inatent
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Post by GuestA on May 12, 2004 21:28:59 GMT -5
Hinds I a like and agree with what you posted. Inatent what what about now. I think we do out grow the idea
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Post by GuestA on May 12, 2004 21:33:56 GMT -5
Hinds I a like and agree with what you posted. Inatent what what about now. I think we do out grow the idea
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Post by inatent on May 12, 2004 21:34:04 GMT -5
Methinks there is a hidden agenda to inatents question. Who, me? like the Holy Spirit? Now He IS real! Are you sure? inatent
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Post by LM on May 13, 2004 0:54:04 GMT -5
Proofs in the pudding inatent Is the Holy Spirit real? Are TEXT sure? What do TEXT think and why?
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Post by LM on May 13, 2004 0:56:15 GMT -5
Woops, playing with the grey buttons got me in trouble. Please insert "you" underlined in the above post... can't be good at everything
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Post by Cherie on May 13, 2004 7:21:35 GMT -5
Quote from my story:
"One thing is certain--NOW I can truly empathize with a child discovering there is no Santa Claus. The workers caution parents NOT to teach their children the false tales about Santa Claus. Then they go and teach the friends false stories about how this fellowship began. The child is hurt and devastated, likewise the friends. Discovering the fellowship is not of apostolic succession, and not even 100 years old, damages their trust in their parent or the worker. Why did they lie? The answer? Regret? Apology? NOT! Insult is added to injury! More times than not, the true story of the origins is denied. Some give insipid, ridiculous reasons so transparent a baby could see through them in an attempt to placate, mollify and soothe the outraged friends. It's a wonder some haven't been tarred and feathered or lynched for the countless lives they've wrecked and ruined! A Canadian lady raised in this fellowship suffered unbelievable misery because of this belief system. She wrote her life story and said that it was a good thing William Irvine was dead, because if he hadn't been, she personally would have gone to Jerusalem and killed him. Many can identify with her feelings."
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 8:12:39 GMT -5
To LM Proofs in the pudding inatent Is the Holy Spirit real? Are TEXT sure? What do TEXT think and why? When you want to insert special formating you have to select the format first (in this case underlining) and then select the word "TEXT" and replace it with what you want to say in the special format. Seems backwards, but that is how it works here. Your questions will be answered later. inatent
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 8:17:57 GMT -5
Quote from my story: "One thing is certain--NOW I can truly empathize with a child discovering there is no Santa Claus. . . . . Jesus Christ, all that he did and all that he said, is the truth. That is what I was looking for when I asked God to show me HIS way, and that is what I was taught by the workers, and that is what they, along with my brothers and sisters all over the world, have shown to me by the fruit of the spirit of God in their hearts. That truth was in the mind of God when He created the universe, and Jesus was a part of that. Whether or not William Irvine was a part of that I cannot say, but it is totally irrelvent. inatent
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Post by ha on May 13, 2004 8:39:04 GMT -5
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Post by Rob O on May 13, 2004 8:54:28 GMT -5
Inatent wrote:
That truth was in the mind of God when He created the universe, and Jesus was a part of that.
This statement isn't clear.
Are you saying God created Jesus? Or that Jesus had a part in the creation of the universe? Or that Jesus was in God's mind when He created the universe?
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 10:45:06 GMT -5
Inatent wrote: That truth was in the mind of God when He created the universe, and Jesus was a part of that.This statement isn't clear. Are you saying God created Jesus? Or that Jesus had a part in the creation of the universe? Or that Jesus was in God's mind when He created the universe? John 8:57-58 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am Ephesians 3:8-11 . . . . that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:. . . . According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: inatent
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 10:47:49 GMT -5
An interesting perspective. You believe that Santa is real because of historical reports, but from similar reports you do not believe that Jesus is real. How do you become so selective? Who reveals to you what is the truth. How do I know that you are real? inatent
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Post by ha on May 13, 2004 12:04:33 GMT -5
Santa's photo is on the internet - Jesus's or God's is not ...
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Post by ha on May 13, 2004 12:05:30 GMT -5
And I have met Santa in person several times at the Mall ... he is very friendly, especially with children !
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 12:06:56 GMT -5
Santa's photo is on the internet - Jesus's or God's is not ... . . . and everything we see on the internet (or tv) is obviously valid! ;D inatent
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 12:08:14 GMT -5
And I have met Santa in person several times at the Mall ... he is very friendly, especially with children ! Ah, yes. I wonder whether there are more Santa Clauses in the world, or more Jesuses. inatent
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 12:09:18 GMT -5
I find it interesting that no one questioned the spelling. Seems that minor errors in idenitification do not stop anyone from understanding the person.
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Post by Rob O on May 13, 2004 18:52:40 GMT -5
Inatent,
You've quoted verses in reply, but that doesn't answer my questions.
Would you mind clarifying your statement please?
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Post by Ed on May 13, 2004 20:47:27 GMT -5
So you asked God to show you Jesus? And all you got was a church?
It is truly amazing to me how people who are supposedly committed to truth can selectively call historical truth irrelevant!
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 23:48:42 GMT -5
Inatent, You've quoted verses in reply, but that doesn't answer my questions. Would you mind clarifying your statement please? I do not understand your questions. My point is that Jesus is the truth, and Jesus existed with his Father in heaven before the universe was created (the "us" in Genesis). Therefore what I believe originated from that time. inatent
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 23:50:41 GMT -5
So you asked God to show you Jesus? And all you got was a church? It is truly amazing to me how people who are supposedly committed to truth can selectively call historical truth irrelevant! I asked God to show me HIS will, and HE showed it to me in the workers and saints I already knew but could not see for the blindness of my own opinions. inatent
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Post by inatent on May 13, 2004 23:52:39 GMT -5
I wish this thread had not been moved, but I can see how it diverged from what I expected. I was hoping someone would admit that they once believed in Santa Claus and now they do not, OR that they still do in a spiritual sense. That is the kind of answer I have gotten in the past, but not here.
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