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Post by the bathwater on May 16, 2006 22:13:05 GMT -5
The workers often speak of themselves as bringing the gospel...to a person, or to a community. Only they (the workers) bear the gospel. Even when other Christians or other communities are contacted...the workers apparently think that only with their arrival has the poor benighted community or person, finally received the gospel...regardless of how many, or how long, other churches have been in existance in that area.
When the community comes into contact with God's true servants...this is actually the first time that these poor people have heard the gospel. Those who hear and accept are said to have "made the wise choice". Those who hear and reject are said to not have honest hearts. If no one accepts the gospel (as brought by the workers) the workers "shake the dust off their sandals" (actually shoes these days) and pack their suitcases, and take themselves and their gospel elsewhere.
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Post by MildlyCurious on May 17, 2006 10:17:00 GMT -5
To Bathwater. That is what they were told to do. And the only difference now is they don't wear sandals. I am sure that at other times in history such strange people came calling, with the same message, and bringing it the same way.
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Post by can they on May 21, 2006 14:44:35 GMT -5
JWs & Mormons are strange people who appear on people's doorsteps too...and much more often than do the 2x2s. JWs & Mormons also come bringing the "true gospel" to the benighted populace. Now they all can't be bearing the "true gospel"....can they?
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Post by look on May 21, 2006 16:42:44 GMT -5
JWs & Mormons are strange people who appear on people's doorsteps too...and much more often than do the 2x2s. JWs & Mormons also come bringing the "true gospel" to the benighted populace. Now they all can't be bearing the "true gospel"....can they? look at Jesus and they way He was bearing the Gospel and you get the answer who's name did Jesus come in? did He try to sell you something? who,s Gospel did He bring? in who's name did He bring it?
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Post by The method on May 21, 2006 16:53:38 GMT -5
look at Jesus and they way He was bearing the Gospel and you get the answer who's name did Jesus come in? did He try to sell you something? who,s Gospel did He bring? in who's name did He bring it?
It's sad that all your faith is in the method - the same method that is bringing a false gospel to you.
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Post by bluejay on May 21, 2006 18:23:38 GMT -5
JWs & Mormons are strange people who appear on people's doorsteps too...and much more often than do the 2x2s. JWs & Mormons also come bringing the "true gospel" to the benighted populace. Now they all can't be bearing the "true gospel"....can they? look at Jesus and they way He was bearing the Gospel and you get the answer who's name did Jesus come in? did He try to sell you something? who,s Gospel did He bring? in who's name did He bring it? Jesus didn't bear the Gospel, He was the Gospel. He was the "good news" come in the flesh. No question he sent his disciples in a certain manner -- Not to promote a "method" to spread the good news, but rather to proclaim Jesus as Lord and King. The promised Messiah. He is the message. How we hear of him is of no importance to our salvation. That we believe on Him is what matters. The true Gospel story is one proclaiming God's love for each and every one of us. He loved us enough to send Jesus, His Son, knowing He would be crucified for the sins of all mankind. The Gospel story is the story of Jesus being willing to die for you and I, and of the risen Christ. That story has been told in varying ways, by various people, using various methods. In spite of all the variety, the Spirit is able to reach anyone who is seeking for Him. My prayer is that You will "open the eyes of my heart Lord", so that I'm able to see Your mighty hand among all my brothers and sisters in You. Amen.
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Post by so on May 21, 2006 20:59:34 GMT -5
look at Jesus and they way He was bearing the Gospel and you get the answer who's name did Jesus come in? did He try to sell you something? who,s Gospel did He bring? in who's name did He bring it? It's sad that all your faith is in the method - the same method that is bringing a false gospel to you. so looking at Jesus is false
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Post by better on May 21, 2006 21:01:04 GMT -5
look at Jesus and they way He was bearing the Gospel and you get the answer who's name did Jesus come in? did He try to sell you something? who,s Gospel did He bring? in who's name did He bring it? Jesus didn't bear the Gospel, He was the Gospel. He was the "good news" come in the flesh. No question he sent his disciples in a certain manner -- Not to promote a "method" to spread the good news, but rather to proclaim Jesus as Lord and King. The promised Messiah. He is the message. How we hear of him is of no importance to our salvation. That we believe on Him is what matters. The true Gospel story is one proclaiming God's love for each and every one of us. He loved us enough to send Jesus, His Son, knowing He would be crucified for the sins of all mankind. The Gospel story is the story of Jesus being willing to die for you and I, and of the risen Christ. That story has been told in varying ways, by various people, using various methods. In spite of all the variety, the Spirit is able to reach anyone who is seeking for Him. My prayer is that You will "open the eyes of my heart Lord", so that I'm able to see Your mighty hand among all my brothers and sisters in You. Amen. better read your Bible again God sent Jesus with a message, the Gospel story
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Post by Rob O on May 21, 2006 21:02:10 GMT -5
Jesus is the gospel story.
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Post by sjg on May 21, 2006 21:39:34 GMT -5
[/quote] so looking at Jesus is false [/quote] It is when you are taught that He is NOT God!
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Post by sjg on May 21, 2006 21:39:59 GMT -5
[/quote] so looking at Jesus is false [/quote] It is when you are taught that He is NOT God!
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Post by The method on May 21, 2006 22:06:39 GMT -5
so looking at Jesus is false
How silly. The 2x2 cult is false. Jesus alone is the Truth, with a capital "T".
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Post by a believer on May 21, 2006 23:00:37 GMT -5
look at Jesus and they way He was bearing the Gospel and you get the answer who's name did Jesus come in? did He try to sell you something? who,s Gospel did He bring? in who's name did He bring it? It's sad that all your faith is in the method - the same method that is bringing a false gospel to you. A method/ministry is not Jesus. so looking at Jesus is false
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Post by a believer on May 21, 2006 23:01:54 GMT -5
oops sorry, my message appeared in the quote.
I wrote: A method/ministry is not Jesus.
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Post by Just Looking on May 21, 2006 23:29:50 GMT -5
21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
How did God send Jesus? Nothing to do with 2 by 2's. It was all to do with the spiritual essence of the Father being in the Son, because the Son could do nothing without the Father. The same for us too, nothing about 2 by 2's but who is our Father and who is in us doing the work. The Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost.
Nowhere does it say the sending indicates a physical pattern in these verses it's all to do with the gifting of the Holy Spirit.
Why do you read it carnally Nathan, can't you see the spiritual significance?
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Post by True Gospel on May 21, 2006 23:33:17 GMT -5
THE GOSPEL IS A LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE: "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3:36). "He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already..." (John 3:18).
God’s Gospel is the LIFE Message! And, we must be certain that it is God’s Message—HIS Gospel proclaiming HIS Christ—that we have heard and in which we have believed and trusted, and NO other. No one is saved before they hear this Gospel and no one is saved believing any other gospel, no matter how long they have believed it or who teaches it or endorses it. God’s Gospel is about salvation by grace alone; every false gospel has one thing in common and that is they all teach a salvation by works or at least try to present a mixture of grace and works.
According to Paul this is not possible: either one teaches a Gospel wholly by Grace, or one teaches that one can recommend oneself to God by obedience, "...if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace..." (Rom. 11:6). God will destroy all those who do not believe HIS Gospel: "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thess.1:8).
God is a merciful and Holy God Who by His great grace has made it abundantly clear in His Holy Word that a man can indeed know if he is a true believer or if in fact he has fallen for a false gospel wherein is no salvation. God’s Gospel of Sovereign Grace is clearly presented in the Holy Scriptures.
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Post by Rob O on May 21, 2006 23:44:26 GMT -5
The kind that saves people.
Nope. But that doesn't mean His messengers can't be. In fact, Paul defended the right of full-time preachers to be married. So the fact that Jesus wasn't married is irrelevant.
He was God. Who cares?
He had a big piece of real estate called "The Universe"
You first need to prove He was just an itinerant preacher.
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Post by Rob O on May 22, 2006 0:03:20 GMT -5
You can't find any scripture commanding preachers to be unmarried. I can find scripture which defends the right of preachers to marry. Therefore, it is irrelevant whether this one or that one was married or not married. That is just trivia. What is important is that preachers have the right to marry and that cannot be taken from them.
Jesus probably never owned a home. He did travel a lot. That doesn't mean He was an itinerant preacher in the way you so desperately want. His mission was far greater than the little box you're trying to fit Him into.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 22, 2006 0:23:34 GMT -5
Two things, Nathan:
1 - "Jesus said, "As my Father has sent me, even so send I you." (John 20:20-29)"
All this means is the Father sent Jesus (in his name) and Jesus sent the twelve (eleven, actually...in his name). This does not mean "how my Father sent me is how I am sending you".
2 - "My reply: Was Jesus married? was Paul married? which example did Paul followed? Jesus or Peter?"
Paul was attempting to set an example or give an option. Jesus never set an example nor did Paul refer to jesus being unmarried as an example.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 22, 2006 0:50:47 GMT -5
All you have done, Nathan, is confirmed that being married or unmarried as a minister is a choice by the minister.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 22, 2006 0:59:59 GMT -5
All you have done, Nathan, is confirmed that being married or unmarried as a minister is a choice by the minister. What choice did Jesus, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Thomas, Luke, Barnabas, Timothy, Titus, Silas... etc.. to chose for themselves? Married or NOT married, Greg lee? What they chose matters not, but that they[/u] chose as individuals matters greatly.
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Post by Rob O on May 22, 2006 1:04:27 GMT -5
Nathan,
Paul said preachers have the right to marry. Yes or no?
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Post by Greg lee unplugged on May 22, 2006 1:12:08 GMT -5
I don't understand your answer, sorry. Can you just answer a simple Yes or No? Was Jesus, Paul were married or NOT? How can you not understand? They had a choice and that is important. What they chose, whether to be married or unmarried is not important. How about this? I Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 22, 2006 1:15:48 GMT -5
Nathan, Paul said preachers have the right to marry. Yes or no? My answer is Yes, they could have. ~~ Rob O. Was Jesus or Paul married? Yes or No. And why weren't they married? What were their reasons for not being married as preachers of the Gospel? But before this he wrote: "My answer is Yes. ~~ Rob O. Was Jesus or Paul married? Yes or No."
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Post by Rob O on May 22, 2006 1:16:56 GMT -5
Then that's all that matters. As Greg is valiantly trying to get through, the choice belongs to the individual. Any external authority which tries to tell preachers they must not marry is adding to what God has said.
It is irrelevant whether this one or that one was married or not married. That is just trivia. What is important is that preachers have the right to marry and that cannot be taken from them.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 22, 2006 1:23:25 GMT -5
Nathan, all you are doing is asking questions so that you can get answers that you will use to validate your belief/conviction.
All that matters is that they could choose. What they chose and for what reasons really do not matter.
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Post by ilylo on May 22, 2006 1:27:59 GMT -5
While watching the ping pong ball bounce back and forth, I started to question who had the learning disability...
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Post by Rob O on May 22, 2006 1:30:31 GMT -5
Me....clearly. ;D
Every six months or so I have another try in the hope the connection has been made.
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