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Post by las logged out on Apr 12, 2006 7:25:48 GMT -5
Did you know that the workers' church was started in 1897
by a man named William Irvine?
"You can tell whether a church is a false church or not if it was started by a man or woman. We are the only church on earth that was started by Christ."
- Jack Carroll, 2x2 worker
Jack Carroll did
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Post by las again on Apr 12, 2006 7:27:05 GMT -5
Duh did somebody lie ;D
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Post by evidence on Apr 12, 2006 7:56:36 GMT -5
Is there evidence that Jack Carroll said this, or is it malicious hearsay?
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Post by las again on Apr 12, 2006 8:03:36 GMT -5
We'll have to consult with Cherie !
It probably was something Jack wrote in a letter therefore now it is documented just another nail in the already two by tow coffin filled with many nails
those who do not believe the documented proff would be hippocrites
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Post by Lloyd logged out on Apr 12, 2006 8:12:14 GMT -5
So what you all think about what jack said?
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Post by las logged out on Apr 12, 2006 8:12:53 GMT -5
Save all your letters
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Post by as i c it on Apr 12, 2006 12:09:50 GMT -5
That statement is one we heard/knew/and believed in--in our area. (Before the W.I . history came to be known).
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Post by guesty on Apr 12, 2006 12:48:04 GMT -5
This secret sect book came out about 20 years ago. Does anyone really think it is "news" to anyone?
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Post by as i c it on Apr 12, 2006 13:17:23 GMT -5
guesty,
The fact that there are "lies, liars, and troublemakers out there", trying to "cause trouble" with "those books" is not "news" to anyone.
But that those individuals have spoken the truth (about the history): and that the history is well-documented--and "true"....still remains unknown--by many...with many STILL "refusing" to hear/read/believe/or accept...or change...from what they originally were told/taught/believed/ and accepted as "true".
So while the "news" about the books etc. isn't anything "new"...the fact that those books speak the truth IS still "news" to some....with many, maybe, just starting to look into this issue for themselves.
"Those books": and the internet" were "forbidden territory" to many: and many were willing to accept the explanation that those who departed the church, simply left because they'd become "unwilling" and "bitter".
Only when I looked (at the many who'd always been so faithful to the church) and who had then left: did I start to wonder "Why?": and then (brave) "wandering" to check out the internet.
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Post by Lloyd logged out on Apr 12, 2006 14:43:29 GMT -5
This secret sect book came out about 20 years ago. Does anyone really think it is "news" to anyone? I'd be willing to bet it is news to over half of 2x2s ? simple because the early history is never talked about openly |
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Post by as i c it on Apr 12, 2006 14:50:13 GMT -5
Llyod's right. It's still a taboo subject.
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Post by Lloyd again on Apr 12, 2006 14:51:46 GMT -5
Sure the fact that the head workers won't address issues shows that
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Post by Lloyd logged out on Apr 12, 2006 14:53:26 GMT -5
The workers have never told there members that they are free to read the secret sect book whenever they like it is all true
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Post by evidence on Apr 12, 2006 15:34:33 GMT -5
Still no-one has produced evidence that jack Carroll said what is alleged that he said.
All the speculation in the world is worthless without documented evidence.
So Lloyd or las or whoever, where is your evidence?
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Post by its unfortunate on Apr 12, 2006 15:45:08 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that Lloyd went to meeting a Very short time and that was years ago. It is unlikely that he knows who Jack Carroll is. This vendetta against a particular church is deeply rooted in problems that have nothing to do with the church. We always hoped he would get help but obviously not yet.
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Post by Lloyd logged out on Apr 12, 2006 15:54:20 GMT -5
Still no-one has produced evidence that jack Carroll said what is alleged that he said. All the speculation in the world is worthless without documented evidence. So Lloyd or las or whoever, where is your evidence? My evidence is in the secret sect book all in the book has been documented to be right without error |
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Post by Lloyd again on Apr 12, 2006 15:56:52 GMT -5
Still no-one has produced evidence that jack Carroll said what is alleged that he said. All the speculation in the world is worthless without documented evidence. So Lloyd or las or whoever, where is your evidence? My evidence is in the secret sect book all in the book has been documented to be right without error I'll bet on the stuff written in the secret sect book being correct..that is my eveidence just ask the Irish police just ask the Impartial Reporter newspaper at that time still going strong today I hope everybody gets to find out eventually |
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Post by Evidence on Apr 12, 2006 16:02:10 GMT -5
Still noone has produced evidence.
It is alleged that this evidence in contained in a book that is not unobtainable - out of print and published two decades ago.
For thopse unable to access this rare book, theres no evidence
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Post by a guest on Apr 12, 2006 16:15:34 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that Lloyd went to meeting a Very short time and that was years ago. It is unlikely that he knows who Jack Carroll is. This vendetta against a particular church is deeply rooted in problems that have nothing to do with the church. We always hoped he would get help but obviously not yet. Obviously! |
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Post by Lloyd again on Apr 12, 2006 16:16:48 GMT -5
Still noone has produced evidence. It is alleged that this evidence in contained in a book that is not unobtainable - out of print and published two decades ago. For thopse unable to access this rare book, theres no evidence The book is not rare but available to any who want to put forth the effort to order it The 2x2 history will always be there that cannot be changed anymore then the 7th day adventists change there early history can't be done...It's there too haunt the 2x2s at every beck and turn no matter how many corrections they make I hope everybody catches on |
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Post by guests on Apr 12, 2006 16:22:01 GMT -5
The book is not rare but available to any who want to put forth the effort to order it
The 2x2 history will always be there that cannot be changed anymore then the 7th day adventists change
there early history can't be done...It's there too haunt
the 2x2s at every beck and turn no matter
how many corrections they make I hope everybody catches on[/quote]
Actually, the book is available to any who are so bored or have absolutely no life. It is written by a very bitter person and isn't worth the papaer it's on. We all know what the workers church is, now get over it!
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Post by as i c it on Apr 12, 2006 16:28:12 GMT -5
I'm a 2 x2. And I support Lloyd's claim that Jack Carroll made that statement. And that we were all raised knowing it in my area. (That it's one of "the truths" that was built upon..and built upon...and built upon...by other workers: and friends: and family members)
That statement (and all the others "proclaiming" the same message) is why "The Secret Sect" and all others books and letters disproving that message--is why the writers wrote their books--and their letters!.
If no such statements had been made....those books would never have been written. And if written...no one would have cared!!!
So "proof" is found in the faithful who (for many, many, generations) suddenly left (because they'd been lied to--by the workers--who they once trusted--so fully--with their entire lives!)
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Post by Lloyd again on Apr 12, 2006 16:34:40 GMT -5
Yup I hope every 2x2 catches on and leaves the group
they will be better off in every way
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Post by hope on Apr 12, 2006 16:44:46 GMT -5
hope it's not you, for your sake |
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Post by spot on Apr 12, 2006 16:45:54 GMT -5
Did you know that the workers' church was started in 1897 by a man named William Irvine? "You can tell whether a church is a false church or not if it was started by a man or woman. We are the only church on earth that was started by Christ." - Jack Carroll, 2x2 worker Jack Carroll did spot on ;D you need to believe what he said las  |
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Post by and on Apr 12, 2006 16:48:40 GMT -5
Still no-one has produced evidence that jack Carroll said what is alleged that he said. All the speculation in the world is worthless without documented evidence. So Lloyd or las or whoever, where is your evidence? and your book without any doubt is good as Gods own Gospel? My evidence is in the secret sect book all in the book has been documented to be right without error |
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Post by and on Apr 12, 2006 16:51:33 GMT -5
Still no-one has produced evidence that jack Carroll said what is alleged that he said. All the speculation in the world is worthless without documented evidence. So Lloyd or las or whoever, where is your evidence? My evidence is in the secret sect book all in the book has been documented to be right without error and your book without a doubt is as truthfull as Gods own Gospel?  would you stake your life on that book that it is the truth, absolute truth and nothing but the truth? |
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Post by just on Apr 12, 2006 16:52:28 GMT -5
Yup I hope every 2x2 catches on and leaves the group they will be better off in every way just like you are aye bud |
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would you stake your life on that book that it is the truth, absolute truth and nothing but the truth?