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Post by Lloyd logged out on Apr 12, 2006 16:55:14 GMT -5
Yup I hope every 2x2 catches on and leaves the group they will be better off in every way just like you are aye bud  Yes you got that right just like me...I wasn't kiddin what I said bud |
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Post by I on Apr 12, 2006 20:53:58 GMT -5
just like you are aye bud Yes you got that right just like me...I wasn't kiddin what I said bud i was  |
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Post by hey lloyd on Apr 12, 2006 20:56:10 GMT -5
you didn't answer reply 26  is it because you really don't believe the book is true |
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Post by guesty on Apr 12, 2006 21:10:51 GMT -5
lies, liars and troublemakers? who said that? The books are old...old news..forbidden by whom to read? adults are adults..if a person is that controlled by anyone then they are not doing anything godly.
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Post by evidence on Apr 13, 2006 0:47:03 GMT -5
Loads more rumour, allegation and opinion, but no EVIDENCE
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Post by as i c it on Apr 13, 2006 1:22:05 GMT -5
guesty,
When the books first came out, we were told by the workers not to read them: that they had been written by "bitter people, who'd become unwilling for the truth". The content of the books were classified as being lies (and therefore, the writers, were liars) who were "just out to make trouble".
When the internet sites started up: we were told the same thing. "Bitter ex-es...unwilling for truth...troublemakers...just out to make trouble: don't read them"
Many still would not read the books: the internet: or listen to any broadcast of any "worldly preacher". (Because it's been spoken against by the workers.). And those individuals today still accept that those who wrote the books (or started these sites) were simply done by "bitter individuals who became unwilling". (Not "unwilling for the lies: or for false doctrine: but "unwilling" for the "standards"...and who just wanted to become "worldly").
The old workers decided not to mention the W.I. roots. Generations of believers were taught that our workers went all the way back to the disciples: and them being sent out 2 and 2, from that time forward, up to our present day. This "established" that our church was the only right church, because we were the ONLY ones established by Christ himself--with no human founder. (While all other churches were established by a man--because some man started them up). And therefore, Christ wasn't in those other churches--founded, as they were, by man.
The information provided by the books and the internet discredited that our roots went all the way back to the disciples--and proved that we, too, had a human founder--just like all the rest. And therefore, we had no right to the claim that "we, and we alone, were the only right faith...because we'd been established by Christ himself".
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Post by as i c it on Apr 13, 2006 1:32:22 GMT -5
evidence,
Why don't you go back through all the material which is so readily available and provide "evidence" for us--that "no evidence" exists for the claim made?
The "evidence" is readily available and established by all kinds of "witnesses": from various parts of the country: for generation after generation. And if you can't see it...or accept it (from all the proof already available) then....so be it.
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Post by as seen by me on Apr 13, 2006 1:32:29 GMT -5
I don't know where you are "as i c it", but your experience quite different to mine.
Never been told that our system of workers "goes way back", but acknowledged that it sstarted in late 1890s.
Never been discuraged from discussing the views of opponents or exes, nor from reading websites books etc. Have been part of many discussions about these matters, including with workers.
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Post by as i c it on Apr 13, 2006 1:41:27 GMT -5
as seen by me,
Interesting....I suppose you've read the material on VOT....and listened to the Alberta tapes...
If so, then you've no doubt noticed that the openess found in your area, and in your experience, was not the same one found elsewhere.
Wonder how many other areas share the same experience of openess that you've had.
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Post by Cali on Apr 13, 2006 1:55:54 GMT -5
Yes, from day 1 of my 49+ years I was told that the "way" started with Jesus on the shores of Galilee. There was never any remote mention of a man starting this religion. That is why, when I found out about WI, it was mind boggling, to say the least. And, talk about feeling confused and betrayed.....
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Post by as i c it on Apr 13, 2006 2:15:56 GMT -5
Cali,
Yeh, it just boggles my mind what they did...and how they could read the Bible and preach--knowing they were building the faith on "omissions of the real truth"...
So sad...so many broken hearts...broken faith...because of it. Gotta wonder...and makes you want to ask those old workers: "How could you do that??? Where was your honesty???"
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Post by Lloyd again on Apr 13, 2006 10:21:52 GMT -5
My evidence is in the secret sect book all in the book has been documented to be right without error and your book without a doubt is as truthfull as Gods own Gospel?  would you stake your life on that book that it is the truth, absolute truth and nothing but the truth? What did 2x2s do with the gospel they sure screwed it up ? |
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Post by Lloyd logged out on Apr 13, 2006 10:25:54 GMT -5
lies, liars and troublemakers? who said that? The books are old...old news..forbidden by whom to read? adults are adults..if a person is that controlled by anyone then they are not doing anything godly. If we do not learn from the past we are doomed to repeat it The 7th day Adventist history won't go away neither 2x2 history |
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Post by not from the beginning on Apr 13, 2006 13:36:57 GMT -5
In over 50 years I never heard this "from the beginning" stuff. Like others, I really wonder about the stories of hearing this. Certainly I never did hear that.
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Post by as i c it on Apr 13, 2006 13:51:42 GMT -5
"not from the beginning",
Again...interesting....that you never heard that...when...that's all we heard...and were taught to believe so well....
Can you give me some idea which country you're from?
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Post by evidence on Apr 13, 2006 14:17:35 GMT -5
You ask me to provide evidence that there's been no evidence?
You who make the wild assertions must provide the evidence.
No such evidence of the assertion that Carroll said anything has been supplied on this board.
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Post by as i c it on Apr 13, 2006 14:36:21 GMT -5
evidence,
Check out "The Lying Truth" website.
Go the the prairies in Canada and ask ANYONE who grew up in this faith about Jack Carroll's statement. You'll get all the "evidence" you need there. (Just don't mention WI to the old folks--and share with them all the "openess" and "honesty" you may have received...) because many have STILL never heard anything of WI, and are still believers of Jack Carroll's statement)
Then...and only then...get back to me.
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Post by Evidence on Apr 13, 2006 15:08:00 GMT -5
Plenty of ducking and diving, but still no evidence.
Plenty of "find your own evidence", but so far nothing to back up this outrageous statement about Mr carroll.
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Post by huh on Apr 13, 2006 16:47:26 GMT -5
What exactly is "outrageous" about it?
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Post by jungo on Apr 13, 2006 16:57:23 GMT -5
yeah whats so out rageous about it some of the two by twos say they were told about the beginnings and some of you act like it's a complete shock that not everyone already knows because the area in which you live has always told people ...
I was told this was handed down from generation to generation .....theres no proof of that.....
i don't even know how there can be an argument about this any more any why the two by twos arn't able to get there act together.
Oh I remember it's because of fear.....I recall the way i felt and there was no one to talk to about it....
The truth is that there are some of the people in the USA that do know about the origins....but there is not liberty here to discuss it....
People have been excomunicated here because of it right?
This is a big circle isn't it?
The people who are honest and have been lied to have mentioned countless of times about their experiences....so why do the two by twos keep it going? Or would rather not discuss it, or try to get the truth to all the members...
Fear?
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Post by as i c it thanks on Apr 13, 2006 19:12:37 GMT -5
Cali, Jungo, and huh,
Thanks for speaking up. I'm surprised to hear that other areas were told the truth. Can't understand why we weren't, too.
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Post by Jack Knower on Apr 13, 2006 21:55:51 GMT -5
You don't know jack.
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would you stake your life on that book that it is the truth, absolute truth and nothing but the truth?