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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 2:02:32 GMT -5
So, the whereabouts of your jesus is part of your core beliefs. Are you not going to tell the FBI about this. Hey, Adm. this Curly is testing you! Are you going to say something to him? Is he getting away without 20% warning? Are you going to approach the FBI with what you know about the crimes committed in your cult?
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 2:18:35 GMT -5
Hey, Adm. this Curly is testing you! Are you going to say something to him? Is he getting away without 20% warning? Are you going to approach the FBI with what you know about the crimes committed in your cult? How about you? Are you going to report? You must know something, right?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 2:21:28 GMT -5
Are you going to approach the FBI with what you know about the crimes committed in your cult? How about you? Are you going to report? You must know something, right? I have been a witness for the prosecution in hundreds of cases. My best score was a conviction for perjury. He got three years for telling lies. I never knew of any sexual abuse cases until after the conviction.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 2:48:33 GMT -5
How about you? Are you going to report? You must know something, right? I have been a witness for the prosecution in hundreds of cases. My best score was a conviction for perjury. He got three years for telling lies. I never knew of any sexual abuse cases until after the conviction. I am talking about 2x2.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 23, 2024 2:55:29 GMT -5
I have been a witness for the prosecution in hundreds of cases. My best score was a conviction for perjury. He got three years for telling lies. I never knew of any sexual abuse cases until after the conviction. I am talking about 2x2. You obviously don't know much about the workings of the law, who can bring charges etc, in our country.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 3:02:24 GMT -5
I have been a witness for the prosecution in hundreds of cases. My best score was a conviction for perjury. He got three years for telling lies. I never knew of any sexual abuse cases until after the conviction. I am talking about 2x2. The latter part of my answer related to the 2x2 pedofile ring. The first part was a guy who told lies under oath. Three years was his reward. Apparently your god hates liars and they don't get to heaven. You could be a star witness.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 23, 2024 4:49:23 GMT -5
Nathan doesn't seem to understand who can bring charges here, let alone the fact that CSA was so hushed up, that no-one really knew how prevalent it was, until GT exposed it at a Special Meeting in Auckland. Until then we were only aware of one or two instances, and the victims had brought about successful prosecutions, albeit the sentences were a bit skewed. And someone like Curly who was not in the church around these times - how was he supposed to know what went on in the inner sanctums?
What we know now is different because people like Sheri, Lauren, Jillian, Ross and also victims have brought it out into the open.
What I am sure of, but cannot prove, is that a good number of workers also knew, but chose silence. And some of these are really nice and good people, but made the wrong decision to put the church's reputation ahead of justice for the victims.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 5:49:50 GMT -5
Nathan doesn't seem to understand who can bring charges here, let alone the fact that CSA was so hushed up, that no-one really knew how prevalent it was, until GT exposed it at a Special Meeting in Auckland. Until then we were only aware of one or two instances, and the victims had brought about successful prosecutions, albeit the sentences were a bit skewed. And someone like Curly who was not in the church around these times - how was he supposed to know what went on in the inner sanctums? What we know now is different because people like Sheri, Lauren, Jillian, Ross and also victims have brought it out into the open. What I am sure of, but cannot prove, is that a good number of workers also knew, but chose silence. And some of these are really nice and good people, but made the wrong decision to put the church's reputation ahead of justice for the victims. That's about right. One of the strangest gospel meetings I was in towards the end of my time as a 2x2 was when Isobel Honeycombe spoke about forgiveness and leaving the past behind. She talked about a dog burying a bone and then returning to it. It was a few years later that I found out that she was trying to silence the victim of the baby sitter rapist. I am glad the victim had the strength to go to the police. It is a pity that the pos did not get jail time and was only given home detention and then still attended meetings until recently being booted out after Bruers death. I have now heard of one other victim and hopefully they follow suit and go to the police. A second conviction would get him around ten years inside. There are other cases I have heard of since Bruers death which are being dealt with where appropriate. Justice must not only be done but be seen to be done.
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Post by guest8 on Feb 23, 2024 5:56:58 GMT -5
You supposedly know more of 'what goes on in the inner sanctum' than any ex Ive heard of Curly.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 6:12:57 GMT -5
You supposedly know more of 'what goes on in the inner sanctum' than any ex Ive heard of Curly. I do. I find that much more positive than sipping lattes with the enablers.
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Post by Annan on Feb 23, 2024 7:52:57 GMT -5
Are you going to approach the FBI with what you know about the crimes committed in your cult? How about you? Are you going to report? You must know something, right? Nice try, Natie. If YOU do not report what you know to the FBI, you are complicit. YOU should go to jail for being part of the coverup. Just think of how your god will deal with you for not reporting what you know. Hell bound. Someone needs to report YOU to the FBI and show them what you post here about CSA. I'm sure your rich son can pay for a lawyer for you.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 9:35:52 GMT -5
How about you? Are you going to report? You must know something, right? Nice try, Natie. If YOU do not report what you know to the FBI, you are complicit. YOU should go to jail for being part of the coverup. Just think of how your god will deal with you for not reporting what you know. Hell bound. Someone needs to report YOU to the FBI and show them what you post here about CSA. I'm sure your rich son can pay for a lawyer for you. Just think how God is going to deal with you and your cronies on here. God is a lot more scarier than the FBI. NOT JUST a few years in jail but for eternity in the black holes and never get out of there. Talking about the REAL HELL bound for and your buddies on here, Annie.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 9:43:02 GMT -5
Nathan doesn't seem to understand who can bring charges here, let alone the fact that CSA was so hushed up, that no-one really knew how prevalent it was, until GT exposed it at a Special Meeting in Auckland. Until then we were only aware of one or two instances, and the victims had brought about successful prosecutions, albeit the sentences were a bit skewed. And someone like Curly who was not in the church around these times - how was he supposed to know what went on in the inner sanctums? What we know now is different because people like Sheri, Lauren, Jillian, Ross and also victims have brought it out into the open. What I am sure of, but cannot prove, is that a good number of workers also knew, but chose silence. And some of these are really nice and good people, but made the wrong decision to put the church's reputation ahead of justice for the victims. NOT just ministry but the parents of the victims and their relatives, friends who know and heard but didn’t report for centuries and so on in many churches, in the work places, societies, etc. Well, the FBI government better build more prisons, wouldn’t you say? Millions and millions of people around the world heard and knew about CSA and kept silence are you arrest them too? Many exes, 2x2s and many exes who are posting on TMB, know and heard about CSA, should the FBI come and arrest you, also? That should be fair, right? The FBI knows your computers ID and who you are, do you think they should go after and arrest them too? You don’t have to be a member of 2x2 to report it, the exes still have families are in the truth so, they hear and KNOW about CSA, should they get arrested for NOT reporting to the FBI? Are they reporting all of CSA cases to the FBI? Cherie K. the owner of TTT website And her buddies keep a Long list of many workers, who committed CSA for many, many years but they didn’t REPORT to the police is the FBI going to arrest her and her buddies? The Adm. of TMB and his moderators read a lot of CSA workers abusers names for 20 years and he/they didn’t REPORT to the police, should the FBI arrest all of them? How about hundreds thousands of TMB readers and posters read on here and they saw the CSA workers names and didn’t report to the police, should the FBI arrest them also? How about WINGS Adm. and his moderators Know a lot of CSA abusers and victims information and they didn’t report to the police for almost 15 years! Shouldn’t the FBI arrest all of them too? Well, it looks like the FBI needs to build more prisons for all the people on the above list, eh.
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Post by chuck on Feb 23, 2024 9:58:49 GMT -5
"40 years" is a idiom, that should be the first clue to not take it literally.... Then there is the word "Christ", which isn't some guys middle or last name...... And last of all dead people dont come back to life....they stay dead. I have been there and there is no sound rational in holding on to that position. Given the fact the writers come from a period of time that "story" was a tool and also built on superstition, it would be foolish to structure your life around the unknown as it is essentially gambling. This is why we are currently witnessing the devastating results of structuring lives on something just not true. It could only go bad, there was no alternative. How much more proof do you need than what is happening right now, its a complete disaster and you are completely blind to it but rather actively promote the catalyst to the disater in people's lives. People are being hurt, and its because of the "gospel message" you help/helped promote. It is a message of death not life, the recipts do not lie.... What happened to you, Chuck? Are you serious, you speak/write like an atheist these days. A few months ago, you were a 2x2 believer or a Christian. Now, you threw out the scriptures and Jesus right out the window and you called him a liar! He said he came back from the dead and you believe Jesus lied to us because he is still dead in the ground. It was “40 days not 40 years!” That Jesus stayed with the apostles and 500 believers AFTER his Soul/Spirit came back from the DEAD! In hades for 3 days and nights then his Spirit joined with his Old/Dead body in the tomb= The New Resurrected Jesus! Who is Eternal God before the foundation of the world. 40 years, 40 days, 40 nights, 40 sockets, 40 thousand, 40 cubits, 40 baths, 40 thousand stalls, 40 camels, 40 men, 40 sheckels, 40 whatever, 40 40 40, 40 is mentioned over 100 times, its a idiom Nathan it's not literal.......just like the ressurection is not literal.....dead men dont rise, they go to dust. Nothing has happened to me Nathan, im still the same person. Its funny how people think something has happened to you,like you have a desease or something....
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 10:05:41 GMT -5
What happened to you, Chuck? Are you serious, you speak/write like an atheist these days. A few months ago, you were a 2x2 believer or a Christian. Now, you threw out the scriptures and Jesus right out the window and you called him a liar! He said he came back from the dead and you believe Jesus lied to us because he is still dead in the ground. It was “40 days not 40 years!” That Jesus stayed with the apostles and 500 believers AFTER his Soul/Spirit came back from the DEAD! In hades for 3 days and nights then his Spirit joined with his Old/Dead body in the tomb= The New Resurrected Jesus! Who is Eternal God before the foundation of the world. 40 years, 40 days, 40 nights, 40 sockets, 40 thousand, 40 cubits, 40 baths, 40 thousand stalls, 40 camels, 40 men, 40 sheckels, 40 whatever, 40 40 40, 40 is mentioned over 100 times, its a idiom Nathan it's not literal.......just like the ressurection is not literal.....dead men dont rise, they go to dust. Nothing has happened to me Nathan, im still the same person. Its funny how people think something has happened to you,like you have a desease or something.... Hey, mate you need to get rid of your Hebrew Old Test. Thinking because it has screwed up your mind and you sound more like an atheist, who doesn’t make any sense with your NEW found belief. I told you were off your rocker 3 years ago, and now you are getting worse! People know you were heading as an atheist path/direction using your Old Test. Hebrew thinking as a crutch! You don’t believe what the Bible or Jesus teachings anymore, you come up with all kinds of excuses! The true Christians can spot you are an atheist a mile away. You need to get back on tracks to Jesus God thinking! Not just your daily old fashion Hebrews minds.
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Post by Annan on Feb 23, 2024 11:03:17 GMT -5
Nice try, Natie. If YOU do not report what you know to the FBI, you are complicit. YOU should go to jail for being part of the coverup. Just think of how your god will deal with you for not reporting what you know. Hell bound. Someone needs to report YOU to the FBI and show them what you post here about CSA. I'm sure your rich son can pay for a lawyer for you. Just think how God is going to deal with you and your cronies on here. God is a lot more scarier than the FBI. NOT JUST a few years in jail but for eternity in the black holes and never get out of there. Talking about the REAL HELL bound for and your buddies on here, Annie. Guess I'll see you in hell, Natie.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 11:17:11 GMT -5
Just think how God is going to deal with you and your cronies on here. God is a lot more scarier than the FBI. NOT JUST a few years in jail but for eternity in the black holes and never get out of there. Talking about the REAL HELL bound for and your buddies on here, Annie. Guess I'll see you in hell, Natie. No, you will NOT, Annie. Jesus blood will cover and erase all of my sins and ALL true believers here on earth and on the judgment day! You, Curly and your cronies on here don’t believe Jesus as your Savior so, they will be your roommates with the rich man in Hades Read Luke 16. After the judgment day you and your cronies, and all whose names are NOT written in the book of life, will be cast in the Lake of fire for eternity read Rev. 20 the last 5 verses... It explain to you all in that chapter. God is much worse than the FBI, by far! It’s God who you should be scared of.
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Post by fixit on Feb 23, 2024 13:49:34 GMT -5
Guess I'll see you in hell, Natie. No, you will NOT, Annie. Jesus blood will cover and erase all of my sins and ALL true believers here on earth and on the judgment day! You, Curly and your cronies on here don’t believe Jesus as your Savior so, they will be your roommates with the rich man in Hades Read Luke 16. After the judgment day you and your cronies, and all whose names are NOT written in the book of life, will be cast in the Lake of fire for eternity read Rev. 20 the last 5 verses... It explain to you all in that chapter. God is much worse than the FBI, by far! It’s God who you should be scared of. What an odious gospel...
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 14:05:10 GMT -5
No, you will NOT, Annie. Jesus blood will cover and erase all of my sins and ALL true believers here on earth and on the judgment day! You, Curly and your cronies on here don’t believe Jesus as your Savior so, they will be your roommates with the rich man in Hades Read Luke 16. After the judgment day you and your cronies, and all whose names are NOT written in the book of life, will be cast in the Lake of fire for eternity read Rev. 20 the last 5 verses... It explain to you all in that chapter. God is much worse than the FBI, by far! It’s God who you should be scared of. What an odious gospel... Yes, it is for many that will be their end, Jesus said only the few will find Truth and accept Him as their Savior. Read Matthew chapter 7: 1- 28.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 14:07:19 GMT -5
Yes, it is for many that will be their end, Jesus said only the few will find Truth and accept Him as their Savior. Read Matthew 7:21-28. Your god does not like liars and as you tell so many porkies you will be heading for hell.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 14:26:20 GMT -5
Yes, it is for many that will be their end, Jesus said only the few will find Truth and accept Him as their Savior. Read Matthew 7:21-28. Your god does not like liars and as you tell so many porkies you will be heading for hell. No, people like you and your cronies on here will die without mercy for believing a lie that you came from the Apes Family and NOT create in the image and likeness of Christ. You don’t believe he died for your sins so, you are going to pay for your own sins you have committed here on earth against God, that is disobedience, un-appreciate for Jesus who died in your place so you can be set free from hades and the lake of fire for eternity. We all tell all kinds of lies, but Jesus blood will wash/take away my sins before God the Father so, I have no sin and don’t end up in Hades and in the lake of fire with you.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 14:34:54 GMT -5
Your god does not like liars and as you tell so many porkies you will be heading for hell. No, people like you and your cronies on here will die without mercy for believing a lie that you came from the Apes Family and NOT create in the image and likeness of Christ. You don’t believe he died for your sins so, you are going to pay for your own sins you have committed here on earth against God, that is disobedience, un-appreciate for Jesus who died in your place so you can be set free from hades and the lake of fire for eternity. We all tell all kinds of lies, but Jesus blood will wash/take away my sins before God the Father so, I have no sin and don’t end up in Hades and in the lake of fire with you. You seem to be blinded by your delusions. Once again, we are apes, not descended from apes. Your god is made in your image and it's not a pretty sight.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 14:45:10 GMT -5
No, people like you and your cronies on here will die without mercy for believing a lie that you came from the Apes Family and NOT create in the image and likeness of Christ. You don’t believe he died for your sins so, you are going to pay for your own sins you have committed here on earth against God, that is disobedience, un-appreciate for Jesus who died in your place so you can be set free from hades and the lake of fire for eternity. We all tell all kinds of lies, but Jesus blood will wash/take away my sins before God the Father so, I have no sin and don’t end up in Hades and in the lake of fire with you. You seem to be blinded by your delusions. Once again, we are apes, not descended from apes. Your god is made in your image and it's not a pretty sight. You lie right here! God and Christ the Creators said to all humans “Ye are gods!” But you believe 100% and said we are apes! Who should I believe God or an ape like you. You accused God and Christ liars and that doesn’t look good on your resume on the judgment day, Curly.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 23, 2024 15:16:12 GMT -5
You seem to be blinded by your delusions. Once again, we are apes, not descended from apes. Your god is made in your image and it's not a pretty sight. You lie right here! God and Christ the Creators said to all humans “Ye are gods!” But you believe 100% and said we are apes! Who should I believe God or an ape like you. You accused God and Christ liars and that doesn’t look good on your resume on the judgment day, Curly. I can't imagine a true Shepherd of the sheep saying such things as this.
I can also vouch for what Curly was saying about IH preaching forgiveness, which was more about wanting a victim to be quiet. My wife is friends with one of the perpetrator's victims. IH was a lovely old Maori worker, but sadly very misguided on this issue, like a number of others who put "meetings and the system" above all else
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 15:30:06 GMT -5
You lie right here! God and Christ the Creators said to all humans “Ye are gods!” But you believe 100% and said we are apes! Who should I believe God or an ape like you. You accused God and Christ liars and that doesn’t look good on your resume on the judgment day, Curly. I can't imagine a true Shepherd of the sheep saying such things as this.
I can also vouch for what Curly was saying about IH preaching forgiveness, which was more about wanting a victim to be quiet. My wife is friends with one of the perpetrator's victims. IH was a lovely old Maori worker, but sadly very misguided on this issue, like a number of others who put "meetings and the system" above all else
I would really like one of the other victims to make a complaint to the police. Sadly, I don't think it will happen. There's lots of twists and turns in this case. I sometimes wonder what his wife thinks about all this. When I was a teenager I and others were warned about this guys brother who was supposed to be a bit of a rebel and not have anything to do with him. It turns out that the real bad egg was the one with the big amen and lots to say.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 15:31:39 GMT -5
You lie right here! God and Christ the Creators said to all humans “Ye are gods!” But you believe 100% and said we are apes! Who should I believe God or an ape like you. You accused God and Christ liars and that doesn’t look good on your resume on the judgment day, Curly. I can't imagine a true Shepherd of the sheep saying such things as this.
I can also vouch for what Curly was saying about IH preaching forgiveness, which was more about wanting a victim to be quiet. My wife is friends with one of the perpetrator's victims. IH was a lovely old Maori worker, but sadly very misguided on this issue, like a number of others who put "meetings and the system" above all else
That is all in the gospel and the Bible I just relay the message to, Curly. He is very stubborn and keep on resisting God’s love and mercy for his soul. Keeping quiet is no longer an option! The ministry of 2x2 leadership wants people, the friends and workers to report to the police these days. Keep silence days are over! No more.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 23, 2024 15:32:49 GMT -5
You seem to be blinded by your delusions. Once again, we are apes, not descended from apes. Your god is made in your image and it's not a pretty sight. You lie right here! God and Christ the Creators said to all humans “Ye are gods!” But you believe 100% and said we are apes! Who should I believe God or an ape like you. You accused God and Christ liars and that doesn’t look good on your resume on the judgment day, Curly. There's plenty of science which tells me I am right. You are basing your belief on what some goat herding crack pots wrote thousands of years ago. All of it is easily disproved by science but you don't want to know that as your ego stands in the way of you ever learning anything.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 23, 2024 15:43:30 GMT -5
You lie right here! God and Christ the Creators said to all humans “Ye are gods!” But you believe 100% and said we are apes! Who should I believe God or an ape like you. You accused God and Christ liars and that doesn’t look good on your resume on the judgment day, Curly. There's plenty of science which tells me I am right. You are basing your belief on what some goat herding crack pots wrote thousands of years ago. All of it is easily disproved by science but you don't want to know that as your ego stands in the way of you ever learning anything. They are non-believers just like you. They think like the humans without faith in God. They believe only in things they can see with their eyes and nothing else. The humans say this and God said that! Believe in God words over the humans words because He/God always RIGHT! Than the humans knowledge and wisdom. Your eternal destiny depends on God and Christ words and NOT the humans opinions and their belief.
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