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Post by Mary on Feb 21, 2024 14:22:08 GMT -5
Try talking about it being perfect timing, to the parents who lost children, victims to suicide as a result of CSA, and to the victims who are on a cocktail of medications just help preserve their sanity because yet another offender was enabled by an overseer who prevented charges being laid. You are playing mental gymnastics in order to justify your belief.
Hey! I tried to educate, alert and warn the 2x2ministry and the friends about CSA in the year 2000 on TMB! What did you do about CSA in the year 2000, Prag? 10 years ago, I even talked to Lyle S. the overseer in Texas about CSA, that he should continue to promote the ministry’s safe course CSA on line to many overseers and their staff. He tried but said he is only a small fish in the ocean. Did you say or do anything about CSA to your workers or the senior worker in charge, Prag? And what did they say to you? Did you report any 2x2 abuser worker, church elder or the friends CSA cases to the police? I knew you down under had many CSA cases of workers abusers! Did you report any of them to the police? Just curious. The message on your website was for victims to forgive and move on. I had people contact me deeply hurt and traumatized by what you had written. In your recent posts you still continued to say the same thing. People have been warning the workers for longer than 20 years. People left because of how they were treated by workers for bringing it to their attention.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 21, 2024 14:34:36 GMT -5
No, without Jesus 2x2 Itinerant/workers ministry there will NOT be any churches! The friends can continue on for awhile without the workers but eventually it will DIE out just like the Cooneyites we have whatever left of it from Edward Cooney’s ministry. After Edward C. death, there were nobody went in the ministry to carry on so, they have no Jesus 2x2 ministry just the saints/followers ministry and their group is NOT growing but slowly dying breed. That is one of the main reasons Jesus asked God the Father and the Holy Spirit to continue sending more workers/laborers into the harvest field/the world Matthew 9:37-38 with the gospel message Jesus SAVES to all nations until the return of Jesus 2nd Coming. The Godhead constantly cleansing the workers/apostles ministry every generation so it stays on the Right, and straight Path without teaching false doctrines and teachings of the workers own ideas and traditions of men from creeping in the ministry. This way Jesus 2x2s Itinerant ministry do NOT to go off tracks like the RCC and 50,000 plus Protestant denominations churches the last 2000 years. The FBI will put fear on any 2x2 workers, overseers, the friends KNOWING that BIG brothers are Watching THEM closely. So, be very careful NOT to commit any crimes in the fellowship and ministry or they will come after them! Jail/Prison time and it’s not fun at all. God the Father has ways of protecting Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the fellowship on the earth the last 2000 years (Read Rev. chapter 11 and 12) from being destroyed! God always Wins in the end. Jesus said to the apostles in Matthew 16 Upon this ROCK! I will build MY Church and the gates of HELL/ or the workers, the exes, RCC and so on shall NOT be able to prevail and destroy it. Christ's church cannot be destroyed because it's built on personal revelation. It's about the kingdom of God being established in the heart of those who receive such a revelation. Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. That is your humans understanding! The kingdom of God is NOT in the heart but also the outward appearance kingdom also. Like there are TWO sides to a coin. Jesus spoke spoke in Matthew 13 the kingdom of God like a yeast, working from within the hearts first, the people can SEE the fruits of the spirits on the outwards such as compassionate, mercy, kindness, forgiveness, and so on like Jesus. The next verse Jesus spoke the parable of the mustard seed where everyone could see with their eyes it started very tiny/small group of fishermen, carpenter, a tax collector and so on, but as the mustard seed grew and became a tall/big shrub where the birds/people can come to find shelter, foods…. Outsiders come into the fellowship that is the outward the kingdom of God on earth!
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 21, 2024 14:47:31 GMT -5
Hey! I tried to educate, alert and warn the 2x2ministry and the friends about CSA in the year 2000 on TMB! What did you do about CSA in the year 2000, Prag? 10 years ago, I even talked to Lyle S. the overseer in Texas about CSA, that he should continue to promote the ministry’s safe course CSA on line to many overseers and their staff. He tried but said he is only a small fish in the ocean. Did you say or do anything about CSA to your workers or the senior worker in charge, Prag? And what did they say to you? Did you report any 2x2 abuser worker, church elder or the friends CSA cases to the police? I knew you down under had many CSA cases of workers abusers! Did you report any of them to the police? Just curious. The message on your website was for victims to forgive and move on. I had people contact me deeply hurt and traumatized by what you had written. In your recent posts you still continued to say the same thing. People have been warning the workers for longer than 20 years. People left because of how they were treated by workers for bringing it to their attention. I explained to you and others on here about Matthew 7 where Jesus teaches! If you forgive NOT men trespasses against you, neither your Father will forgive your trespasses against God! God the Father and Christ give the victims, the KEY! To healing of their minds, emotionally, mentally and hopefully physically when they have the inner peace within given by God. The victims don’t want to harbor resentment, hatred, unforgiveness, to anyone who harm them because sometimes is beyond their control. Just leave it in the hands of God, He will make the unrepent sinners pay a hefty price for their crimes. Forgiveness set you free! Get some good professional that give the victims the correct godly counsel to heal their minds, emotion, and physically . Don’t go to a quack! He/she advice can ruin your life forever.
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Post by snow on Feb 21, 2024 15:23:48 GMT -5
I take whatever you say with a very large grain of salt. Remember, the warning I alerted about CSA 23 years, and the 2x2 ministry and the friends didn’t think it was serious and harmful, now they and many of their children are paying a hefty price of pains and suffering for the rest of their lives. Their lives will NEVER be normal or the same for a long, long time. May God draw nears and give them the inner healing of the minds, emotional and natural healing for the bodies. So, take heed to my many other warnings on TMB, it will come to pass. This way, you wouldn’t get caught by surprised! End up in the wrong place/black holes for eternity. May God be with you, Curly. Who did you alert once you knew kids were being raped? Why didn't you go to the police? It was illegal then.
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Post by snow on Feb 21, 2024 15:27:05 GMT -5
Nathan will be able to tell the FBI all about the cases of child sexual abuse he knows about. Why he didn't do this 20 years ago is beyond me. Because I was ignorance and didn’t know anything about CSA was a taboo subject in 1987. After I left the work in 1993 I realized how evil it was so, I tried to educate the 2x2 ministry and the friends about it in the year 2000 on TMB. These overseers knew it was wrong so you telling them it was wrong seems rather useless. Going to the police when they didn't listen is what should have been done. Anyone that knows of a child that was raped doesn't need to be told it is illegal and that they needed someone to intervene for them by calling child protection services and the authorities. I've had to do that before and it was 15 years ago.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 21, 2024 15:49:38 GMT -5
Remember, the warning I alerted about CSA 23 years, and the 2x2 ministry and the friends didn’t think it was serious and harmful, now they and many of their children are paying a hefty price of pains and suffering for the rest of their lives. Their lives will NEVER be normal or the same for a long, long time. May God draw nears and give them the inner healing of the minds, emotional and natural healing for the bodies. So, take heed to my many other warnings on TMB, it will come to pass. This way, you wouldn’t get caught by surprised! End up in the wrong place/black holes for eternity. May God be with you, Curly. Who did you alert once you knew kids were being raped? Why didn't you go to the police? It was illegal then. We didn’t know it was mandatory back then so, my older companion didn’t report it. I didn’t know too much about CSA law back then. We just preached the gospel. Now, the workers are more equips with CSA laws and they MUST report to the authority ASAP.
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Post by snow on Feb 21, 2024 17:02:41 GMT -5
Who did you alert once you knew kids were being raped? Why didn't you go to the police? It was illegal then. We didn’t know it was mandatory back then so, my older companion didn’t report it. I didn’t know too much about CSA law back then. We just preached the gospel. Now, the workers are more equips with CSA laws and they MUST report to the authority ASAP. The humane, moral thing to do is to protect children that were being raped whether it was the law or not. Just because no one told them to report doesn't absolve them from doing the right thing. How anyone could stand by and allow a child to be abused or raped and do nothing is beyond me. I don't need the law to tell me it's wrong and to do something about it. Most people don't need to be 'made' to report something like that.
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Post by fixit on Feb 21, 2024 17:12:10 GMT -5
Christ's church cannot be destroyed because it's built on personal revelation. It's about the kingdom of God being established in the heart of those who receive such a revelation. Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. That is your humans understanding! The kingdom of God is NOT in the heart but also the outward appearance kingdom also. Like there are TWO sides to a coin. Jesus spoke spoke in Matthew 13 the kingdom of God like a yeast, working from within the hearts first, the people can SEE the fruits of the spirits on the outwards such as compassionate, mercy, kindness, forgiveness, and so on like Jesus. The next verse Jesus spoke the parable of the mustard seed where everyone could see with their eyes it started very tiny/small group of fishermen, carpenter, a tax collector and so on, but as the mustard seed grew and became a tall/big shrub where the birds/people can come to find shelter, foods…. Outsiders come into the fellowship that is the outward the kingdom of God on earth! Man's wisdom leads into a maze. You've created indispensible leaders, leading to unaccountable leaders, leading to immoral leaders hindering the development of the kingdom of God in individual hearts.
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Post by fixit on Feb 21, 2024 17:14:02 GMT -5
We didn’t know it was mandatory back then so, my older companion didn’t report it. I didn’t know too much about CSA law back then. We just preached the gospel. Now, the workers are more equips with CSA laws and they MUST report to the authority ASAP. The humane, moral thing to do is to protect children that were being raped whether it was the law or not. Just because no one told them to report doesn't absolve them from doing the right thing. How anyone could stand by and allow a child to be abused or raped and do nothing is beyond me. I don't need the law to tell me it's wrong and to do something about it. Most people don't need to be 'made' to report something like that. Absolutely, and workers being raped by their senior companions should never have gone unreported.
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Post by fixit on Feb 21, 2024 17:16:47 GMT -5
Who did you alert once you knew kids were being raped? Why didn't you go to the police? It was illegal then. We didn’t know it was mandatory back then so, my older companion didn’t report it. I didn’t know too much about CSA law back then. We just preached the gospel. Now, the workers are more equips with CSA laws and they MUST report to the authority ASAP. A big part of the gospel is compassion. Without it, you're wasting your time and the time of your listeners. I'm reminded of the priest and the Levite who saw the half dead person's condition yet they walked by on the other side of the road.
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Post by xna on Feb 21, 2024 18:15:25 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Feb 21, 2024 18:18:59 GMT -5
The humane, moral thing to do is to protect children that were being raped whether it was the law or not. Just because no one told them to report doesn't absolve them from doing the right thing. How anyone could stand by and allow a child to be abused or raped and do nothing is beyond me. I don't need the law to tell me it's wrong and to do something about it. Most people don't need to be 'made' to report something like that. Absolutely, and workers being raped by their senior companions should never have gone unreported. OMG
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 21, 2024 18:47:09 GMT -5
We didn’t know it was mandatory back then so, my older companion didn’t report it. I didn’t know too much about CSA law back then. We just preached the gospel. Now, the workers are more equips with CSA laws and they MUST report to the authority ASAP. The humane, moral thing to do is to protect children that were being raped whether it was the law or not. Just because no one told them to report doesn't absolve them from doing the right thing. How anyone could stand by and allow a child to be abused or raped and do nothing is beyond me. I don't need the law to tell me it's wrong and to do something about it. Most people don't need to be 'made' to report something like that. Now, I know better. The law will believe and back up the workers and the friends report on CSA. I say to the workers report CSA to the police without reporting it to the overseers.
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2024 20:19:25 GMT -5
How shameful! The FBI Omaha Field Office is seeking the public’s help in identifying victims or individuals with knowledge of abuse and/or criminal behavior that has occurred within a religious group that traditionally has not had a name. The group has often been referred to by others outside of the group as “2x2,” “The Way,” “The Truth,” and “The Church With No Name,” among others.(and embarrassing for those of us still in meeting) If people are embarrassed about the outcomes of the embedded culture what are they "still in meetings" for. This is part of the problem, it is an enabling activity of the cultural problem, it is clearly not a reliable way to help govern ones life given it is a intergral part of the system that is failing people hand over fist. Enabling is shameful.
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2024 20:48:00 GMT -5
Why don't you tell the FBI that God is in control of his ministry so they should back off? No, God is sending in the FBI authority, which He set them up to clean His House because most of the overseers are NOT doing their parts right now! God wants to push the Overseers to get God’s house in Order fast or they will go to prison. Self fulfilling prophecy ☝️ "A self-fulfilling prophecy is a belief about a future outcome that helps to bring about its own fulfillment"
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2024 20:55:16 GMT -5
No, and No again! The timing has to be right. Now, is the perfect time, Dean B. death wasn’t by accident, God said enough is enough with workers ministry foolishness of covered up and now is the time to pay of their sins. God saw and knew all the victims suffering and he heard their cried! Hey, I and a few friends and my older companion and some workers through the years tried to warn, alert and educate the 2x2 ministry and the friends about the danger and harmful of CSA in the year 2000 on my website and on TMB! Did you forget that? God tried to tell the 2x2s ministry to get their acts together, 23 years ago! But they ignored the warnings so, now the friends children are paying for their parents ignorance/sins which cause their children emotionally, physically and mentality anguish, pains and suffering for the rest of their lives. Try talking about it being perfect timing, to the parents who lost children, victims to suicide as a result of CSA, and to the victims who are on a cocktail of medications just help preserve their sanity because yet another offender was enabled by an overseer who prevented charges being laid.
You are playing mental gymnastics in order to justify your belief.
Exactly, victims who hear phrases like in "Gods time" or "Gods plan" must have instant relief to know their suffering was planned......how it's come to this type of rational is somewhat scary.
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2024 21:20:04 GMT -5
Who did you alert once you knew kids were being raped? Why didn't you go to the police? It was illegal then. We didn’t know it was mandatory back then so, my older companion didn’t report it. I didn’t know too much about CSA law back then. We just preached the gospel. Now, the workers are more equips with CSA laws and they MUST report to the authority ASAP. I call bull. You dont need laws or training to know its wrong. What bible were you actually preaching out of because it must be a lot different to the one I have read. I believe it say's things like "love your neighbour as yourself", or how about this one its a beauty, "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain". What this actually means Nathan is hiding behind excuses as to why stuff wasn't reported is carrying the name in vain....... As one writer says, right and wrong is written on your heart, so I really dont know what was so important you had to go and "preach" before even presenting lame excuses of not loving your neighbour...... This pleading ignorance is utter garbage.
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Post by Dan on Feb 22, 2024 1:17:38 GMT -5
These overseers knew it was wrong so you telling them it was wrong seems rather useless. Going to the police when they didn't listen is what should have been done. Anyone that knows of a child that was raped doesn't need to be told it is illegal and that they needed someone to intervene for them by calling child protection services and the authorities. I've had to do that before and it was 15 years ago.
One reason my older sister left the Work after 15 years was because children were abused by a Worker in southern Illinois. One kid saw his abuser at a special mtg and got so upset that he got sick and went into the restroom and threw-up. My sister reported it to the Overseer, but nothing much was done, and she was essentially told to hush-up. Of course my sister had no idea how wide spread the problem was at the time and assumed it was an isolated incident.
I think the mindset back then was that you don't turn on Friends or Workers, problems were handled internally. Calling the police would have gotten you thrown out of the Work. That's a control feature, keep it all in the family, its a spiritual matter, so keep a low profile by not involving or resorting to worldly help? A cult does a persons thinking for them instead of getting them to think for themselves.
I'm surprised the FBI is getting involved, its usually handled in local jurisdictions. The FBI doesn't generally intercede unless a crime transcends state borders, but if there's no interstate felonies, it stays with local, county and state police.
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Post by fixit on Feb 22, 2024 2:30:15 GMT -5
These overseers knew it was wrong so you telling them it was wrong seems rather useless. Going to the police when they didn't listen is what should have been done. Anyone that knows of a child that was raped doesn't need to be told it is illegal and that they needed someone to intervene for them by calling child protection services and the authorities. I've had to do that before and it was 15 years ago. One reason my older sister left the Work after 15 years was because children were abused by a Worker in southern Illinois. One kid saw his abuser at a special mtg and got so upset that he got sick and went into the restroom and threw-up. My sister reported it to the Overseer, but nothing much was done, and she was essentially told to hush-up. Of course my sister had no idea how wide spread the problem was at the time and assumed it was an isolated incident. I think the mindset back then was that you don't turn on Friends or Workers, problems were handled internally. Calling the police would have gotten you thrown out of the Work. That's a control feature, keep it all in the family, its a spiritual matter, so keep a low profile by not involving or resorting to worldly help? A cult does a persons thinking for them instead of getting them to think for themselves. I'm surprised the FBI is getting involved, its usually handled in local jurisdictions. The FBI doesn't generally intercede unless a crime transcends state borders, but if there's no interstate felonies, it stays with local, county and state police.
I'm sorry to hear that Dan. You can be proud of your sister's integrity and courage. Do you still have a sister in the work?
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Post by bfvernon on Feb 22, 2024 4:22:29 GMT -5
The FBI is interested in the Head Workers who shipped known pedophiles around the world. That’s called a pedophile ring.
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Post by Admin on Feb 22, 2024 7:06:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised the FBI is getting involved, it's usually handled in local jurisdictions. The FBI doesn't generally intercede unless a crime transcends state borders, but if there's no interstate felonies, it stays with local, county and state police.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 22, 2024 9:40:17 GMT -5
These overseers knew it was wrong so you telling them it was wrong seems rather useless. Going to the police when they didn't listen is what should have been done. Anyone that knows of a child that was raped doesn't need to be told it is illegal and that they needed someone to intervene for them by calling child protection services and the authorities. I've had to do that before and it was 15 years ago.
One reason my older sister left the Work after 15 years was because children were abused by a Worker in southern Illinois. One kid saw his abuser at a special mtg and got so upset that he got sick and went into the restroom and threw-up. My sister reported it to the Overseer, but nothing much was done, and she was essentially told to hush-up. Of course my sister had no idea how wide spread the problem was at the time and assumed it was an isolated incident.
I think the mindset back then was that you don't turn on Friends or Workers, problems were handled internally. Calling the police would have gotten you thrown out of the Work. That's a control feature, keep it all in the family, its a spiritual matter, so keep a low profile by not involving or resorting to worldly help? A cult does a persons thinking for them instead of getting them to think for themselves.
I'm surprised the FBI is getting involved, its usually handled in local jurisdictions. The FBI doesn't generally intercede unless a crime transcends state borders, but if there's no interstate felonies, it stays with local, county and state police.
Amen, bro. Back then the friends and workers and the world under different kind of mentality! CSA was ashamed topic and people didn’t talk about it or go to the police. Everything must have the approval of the older companion and overseer! You couldn’t do much on your own. There is a chain of command! If any worker stepped out of line then they kick you out of the work. I couldn’t do much with CSA back then, after I left the work I posted on TMB to educate, alert and warn the 2x2’s about CSA within the ministry and the fellowship in the year 2000, but they ignored it. The top leaders wanted to sweep CSA under the carpet to protect the truth reputation and it back fired on them now! Because it was too wide spread after so many years doing nothing about it. Now, it’s time to clean house… Thanks, be to God.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 22, 2024 9:53:07 GMT -5
The FBI is interested in the Head Workers who shipped known pedophiles around the world. That’s called a pedophile ring. These overseers need to step down, it would be good for the ministry and fellowship by redeeming themselves for their bad/horrible judgment call and caused so much harms with many lives of the children. It gives Jesus 2x2 ministry a fresh and new start.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 22, 2024 9:56:25 GMT -5
It's not only the offenders but those who covered for them and those in the fellowship who ignore or minimized the abuse. People have to be in denial to continue in the group. The Bible says come out from among them and be ye separate which is what many are doing. Cleaning, cutting and pruning is just another excuse for the state the fellowship is in. You must be in denial to say there's nothing embarrassing about it. It's down right shameful, disqusting and shocking the way victims have been treated and offenders being allowed to continue offending. What's just as shocking is you still continue to claim it's the only true fellowship. It doesn’t change the Truth, God’s Way and Truth are perfect but the people are NOT. Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and fellowship established by God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit themselves! Before sending out the 12 apostles in Matthew 9: 37-38 Jesus asked them to pray that God the Father will continue to send out more workers/apostles out into the harvest/the world. God the Father sent out another 70 in Luke 10:1-42 and MANY more in the book of Acts such as Matthias, Paul, Silas, Luke, Mark, and many/more workers the next 2000 years plus even to our days! If Jesus 2x2 ministry and the church/fellowship was NOT of God it would have been destroyed by the end of the 1st century but their enemies/RCC tried for 1800 years and many enemies tried the last 50 years still haven’t succeed! It’s Godhead origin and you can’t destroy it. Paul once was an Anti-truth and Way of Jesus, who wrote For we can’t do anything against/destroy God’s truth but ONLY for the Truth in Jesus. God ALWAYS wins at the end, it’s written on stone/the Bible for all to read. A wise man Gamelio said in Acts 5 If the apostles work be of men it will be destroyed! But it be of God, then you find yourself FIGHTING against God! You can try all you want but only spread the gospel/the fire further! Into all the world before Jesus Returns! You are speeding up Jesus 2nd Coming read II Thess 2:1-15. Read the 7 churches in the book of Revelation! Christ/God himself sent the message to 5 churches were really, really in bad shape. He told them to REPENT of their sins or He will REMOVE their candle sticks, their crowns of life and blotted their names from the book of life. Christ is a lot more scarier than the FBI wouldn’t you think?
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Post by fixit on Feb 22, 2024 12:47:01 GMT -5
One reason my older sister left the Work after 15 years was because children were abused by a Worker in southern Illinois. One kid saw his abuser at a special mtg and got so upset that he got sick and went into the restroom and threw-up. My sister reported it to the Overseer, but nothing much was done, and she was essentially told to hush-up. Of course my sister had no idea how wide spread the problem was at the time and assumed it was an isolated incident. I think the mindset back then was that you don't turn on Friends or Workers, problems were handled internally. Calling the police would have gotten you thrown out of the Work. That's a control feature, keep it all in the family, its a spiritual matter, so keep a low profile by not involving or resorting to worldly help? A cult does a persons thinking for them instead of getting them to think for themselves. I'm surprised the FBI is getting involved, its usually handled in local jurisdictions. The FBI doesn't generally intercede unless a crime transcends state borders, but if there's no interstate felonies, it stays with local, county and state police.
Amen, bro. Back then the friends and workers and the world under different kind of mentality! CSA was ashamed topic and people didn’t talk about it or go to the police. Everything must have the approval of the older companion and overseer! You couldn’t do much on your own. There is a chain of command! If any worker stepped out of line then they kick you out of the work. I couldn’t do much with CSA back then, after I left the work I posted on TMB to educate, alert and warn the 2x2’s about CSA within the ministry and the fellowship in the year 2000, but they ignored it. The top leaders wanted to sweep CSA under the carpet to protect the truth reputation and it back fired on them now! Because it was too wide spread after so many years doing nothing about it. Now, it’s time to clean house… Thanks, be to God. The more power they wield, the greater their accountability under secular law. Also, the more power they wield, the further they are from the teaching of Jesus... Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 26 It will not be so among you, but whoever wishes to be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be your slave, 28 just as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.”
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Post by help on Feb 22, 2024 14:30:32 GMT -5
A bit more than cleaning the house, the house is tumbling down. WI got the foundation wrong, he changed it a few times but still stuffed up. Should have used a builder who would get it right.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 22, 2024 14:44:58 GMT -5
A bit more than cleaning the house, the house is tumbling down. WI got the foundation wrong, he changed it a few times but still stuffed up. Should have used a builder who would get it right. The 2x2s foundation and builder is NOT William Irvine but Jesus Christ Himself! And His True apostles. We can read it in the gospels, the book of Acts and the epistles of the apostles themselves. God has preserved historical documents of Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the New Testament Church the last 2000 years. William Irvine didn’t invent anything at all. He and the early days copied Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry from the Faith Mission; and they copied what they read from Jesus and the apostles teachings! So, Jesus Christ is the one the 2x2s workers and the friends follow NOT William Irvine, he had NOTHING new to offer them. He was excommunicated from the 2x2 ministry in 1914 and the fellowship in 1917. He was a 2x2 worker for only 17 years. The second and 3rd group William Irvine started with his own ideas, it failed miserably! And he died alone without money in Jerusalem in 1947.
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2024 16:49:02 GMT -5
The FBI is interested in the Head Workers who shipped known pedophiles around the world. That’s called a pedophile ring. These overseers need to step down, it would be good for the ministry and fellowship by redeeming themselves for their bad/horrible judgment call and caused so much harms with many lives of the children. It gives Jesus 2x2 ministry a fresh and new start. "for their bad/horrible judgment call" They say they are led by God, as usual when it comes back to reality it was just people making decisions as the supernatural manipulator was never there to begin with..... Jesus ministry is all dead, it happened thousands of years ago.
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