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Post by Annan on Sept 7, 2024 4:10:47 GMT -5
Harris is an extreme progressive liberal, on the same page with Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.. Kamala has done a u-turn and adjusted her extreme views to that of a mainstream blue collar democrat in order to get elected, but she'll revert back to a socialist agenda when in office. I suspect Trump will try to remind voters of just how far left Harris is in the Sept 10th debate. Hard to believe that these 2 clowns are the best America could come up with, I have a feeling we're screwed regardless of who wins.
I swear I'm married you.
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Post by Dan on Sept 7, 2024 19:56:24 GMT -5
Harris is an extreme progressive liberal, on the same page with Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.. Kamala has done a u-turn and adjusted her extreme views to that of a mainstream blue collar democrat in order to get elected, but she'll revert back to a socialist agenda when in office. I suspect Trump will try to remind voters of just how far left Harris is in the Sept 10th debate. Hard to believe that these 2 clowns are the best America could come up with, I have a feeling we're screwed regardless of who wins.
Harris can't single-handedly lurch America to the left. You really need to focus on getting someone in the White House who values democracy and is not swayed by Russian propaganda.
True, Americans need to elect Harris in order to lurch to the left.. One definition of democracy is "the practice or principles of social equality", and that pretty much puts individuality and freedom in the back seat. The U.S. has a democratic process, but is a republic and not a democracy. I haven't seen any Russian propaganda or influence affecting either candidate, that's all just political mudslinging.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 7, 2024 23:17:35 GMT -5
Harris can't single-handedly lurch America to the left. You really need to focus on getting someone in the White House who values democracy and is not swayed by Russian propaganda. True, Americans need to elect Harris in order to lurch to the left.. One definition of democracy is "the practice or principles of social equality", and that pretty much puts individuality and freedom in the back seat. The U.S. has a democratic process, but is a republic and not a democracy. I haven't seen any Russian propaganda or influence affecting either candidate, that's all just political mudslinging.
You undoubtedly have no idea how to recognize it.
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Post by fixit on Sept 8, 2024 15:17:46 GMT -5
At least Trump is warning America of his dictatorial intentions... From: www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/08/trump-threatens-jail-adversariesDonald Trump posted a warning on his social media site threatening to jail those “involved in unscrupulous behavior” this election, which he said would be under intense scrutiny. “WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again,” the former president wrote, again trying to sow doubt about the integrity of November’s election, even though cheating is incredibly rare. “Please beware,” the Republican nominee went on, “that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, & Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.” Trump’s message represents his latest threat to use the office of the presidency to exact retribution if he wins a second term in the oval office.
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Post by Dan on Sept 8, 2024 17:52:51 GMT -5
True, Americans need to elect Harris in order to lurch to the left.. One definition of democracy is "the practice or principles of social equality", and that pretty much puts individuality and freedom in the back seat. The U.S. has a democratic process, but is a republic and not a democracy. I haven't seen any Russian propaganda or influence affecting either candidate, that's all just political mudslinging.
You undoubtedly have no idea how to recognize it.
Hard to recognize something that doesn't exist... Remember the 2.5 year Robert Mueller investigation, no Russian interference was found. The Clinton campaign & DNC paid for the fake Russian dossier, and Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI admitted to making all that crap up. I do recognize political mudslinging, its nothing but fabricated misinformation.
At least Trump is warning America of his dictatorial intentions... From: www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/08/trump-threatens-jail-adversariesDonald Trump posted a warning on his social media site threatening to jail those “involved in unscrupulous behavior” this election, which he said would be under intense scrutiny. “WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again,” the former president wrote, again trying to sow doubt about the integrity of November’s election, even though cheating is incredibly rare. “Please beware,” the Republican nominee went on, “that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, & Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.” Trump’s message represents his latest threat to use the office of the presidency to exact retribution if he wins a second term in the oval office.
So you don't think people who cheat to undermine an election should be sought out and prosecuted? If laws are followed and no cheating occurs, they have nothing to fear or worry about. Punishing people who manufacture illegal votes or exclude votes that were legally cast is not retribution, its called justice.
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Post by fixit on Sept 8, 2024 18:17:57 GMT -5
At least Trump is warning America of his dictatorial intentions... From: www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/08/trump-threatens-jail-adversariesDonald Trump posted a warning on his social media site threatening to jail those “involved in unscrupulous behavior” this election, which he said would be under intense scrutiny. “WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again,” the former president wrote, again trying to sow doubt about the integrity of November’s election, even though cheating is incredibly rare. “Please beware,” the Republican nominee went on, “that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, & Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.” Trump’s message represents his latest threat to use the office of the presidency to exact retribution if he wins a second term in the oval office. So you don't think people who cheat to undermine an election should be sought out and prosecuted? If laws are followed and no cheating occurs, they have nothing to fear or worry about. Punishing people who manufacture illegal votes or exclude votes that were legally cast is not retribution, its called justice. So you think the president has control over the justice system? That's scary.
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Post by Dan on Sept 8, 2024 23:34:58 GMT -5
So you don't think people who cheat to undermine an election should be sought out and prosecuted? If laws are followed and no cheating occurs, they have nothing to fear or worry about. Punishing people who manufacture illegal votes or exclude votes that were legally cast is not retribution, its called justice. So you think the president has control over the justice system? That's scary.
Absolutely, the president has a lot of influence over the Dept of Justice.. Biden appointed Attorney General Merrick Garland who has gone after Trump from every direction. That's no accident, I'm sure it was a prerequisite when Garland interviewed for the job... Your right, that is scary.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 8, 2024 23:45:38 GMT -5
You undoubtedly have no idea how to recognize it.
Hard to recognize something that doesn't exist... Remember the 2.5 year Robert Mueller investigation, no Russian interference was found. The Clinton campaign & DNC paid for the fake Russian dossier, and Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI admitted to making all that crap up. I do recognize political mudslinging, its nothing but fabricated misinformation.
At least Trump is warning America of his dictatorial intentions... From: www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/08/trump-threatens-jail-adversariesDonald Trump posted a warning on his social media site threatening to jail those “involved in unscrupulous behavior” this election, which he said would be under intense scrutiny. “WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again,” the former president wrote, again trying to sow doubt about the integrity of November’s election, even though cheating is incredibly rare. “Please beware,” the Republican nominee went on, “that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, & Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.” Trump’s message represents his latest threat to use the office of the presidency to exact retribution if he wins a second term in the oval office. So you don't think people who cheat to undermine an election should be sought out and prosecuted? If laws are followed and no cheating occurs, they have nothing to fear or worry about. Punishing people who manufacture illegal votes or exclude votes that were legally cast is not retribution, its called justice.
You are one really naive citizen. Do you ever read a newspaper?
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 8, 2024 23:48:55 GMT -5
So you don't think people who cheat to undermine an election should be sought out and prosecuted? If laws are followed and no cheating occurs, they have nothing to fear or worry about. Punishing people who manufacture illegal votes or exclude votes that were legally cast is not retribution, its called justice. So you think the president has control over the justice system? That's scary. That's why he votes for Trump -- Trump is campaigning to do just that. And they are just naive enough not to recognize what that means. Classic catastrophe.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 8, 2024 23:51:14 GMT -5
So you think the president has control over the justice system? That's scary. Absolutely, the president has a lot of influence over the Dept of Justice.. Biden appointed Attorney General Merrick Garland who has gone after Trump from every direction. That's no accident, I'm sure it was a prerequisite when Garland interviewed for the job... Your right, that is scary.
You need a really good course in civilization. You're scary stupid about this. No further comment.
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Post by fixit on Sept 9, 2024 0:49:18 GMT -5
So you think the president has control over the justice system? That's scary. Absolutely, the president has a lot of influence over the Dept of Justice.. Biden appointed Attorney General Merrick Garland who has gone after Trump from every direction. That's no accident, I'm sure it was a prerequisite when Garland interviewed for the job... Your right, that is scary.
Dan, did you watch the speeches of Michelle and Barak Obama at the DNC?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 9, 2024 2:02:28 GMT -5
Trump is not running for the highest office in the USA, he is running from the law. Becoming president is his only hope of escaping the long arm of the law.
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Post by Dan on Sept 9, 2024 11:34:31 GMT -5
Absolutely, the president has a lot of influence over the Dept of Justice.. Biden appointed Attorney General Merrick Garland who has gone after Trump from every direction. That's no accident, I'm sure it was a prerequisite when Garland interviewed for the job... Your right, that is scary.
You need a really good course in civilization. You're scary stupid about this. No further comment.
So you don't think any president appoints Attorney Generals who are sympathetic to their agenda? That's scary naive.
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Post by Dan on Sept 9, 2024 11:38:41 GMT -5
Trump is not running for the highest office in the USA, he is running from the law. Becoming president is his only hope of escaping the long arm of the law.
No, none of the charges or lawsuits came about until Trump announced he was running again.. Lawfare was used as a political tool to attack and discredit his candidacy.
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Post by fixit on Sept 9, 2024 13:29:25 GMT -5
You need a really good course in civilization. You're scary stupid about this. No further comment. So you don't think any president appoints Attorney Generals who are sympathetic to their agenda? That's scary naive. Trump politicised the department of justice of course. Six attorney generals served under Trump in four years, more than any other president I believe. Here's testimony from Attorney General William Barr regarding Donald Trump... Barr testified to the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack behind closed doors on June 2, 2022. Portions of his videotaped testimony were presented during the committee's public hearings days later. Barr testified that before resigning as attorney general, he had told president Trump that allegations of election fraud were "bullsh-." At times during his testimony he could not control his laughter at the absurdity of some fraud allegations, such as the Italygate theory that satellites controlled from Italy had flipped votes from Trump to Biden, and that former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez had orchestrated an election fraud scheme, despite having died seven years earlier. Barr testified Trump never gave "an indication of interest in what the actual facts were," adding the president had "become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Barr
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Post by Dan on Sept 9, 2024 13:35:25 GMT -5
So you don't think any president appoints Attorney Generals who are sympathetic to their agenda? That's scary naive. Trump politicised the department of justice of course. Six attorney generals served under Trump in four years, more than any other president I believe. Here's testimony from Attorney General William Barr regarding Donald Trump... Barr testified to the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack behind closed doors on June 2, 2022. Portions of his videotaped testimony were presented during the committee's public hearings days later. Barr testified that before resigning as attorney general, he had told president Trump that allegations of election fraud were "bullsh-." At times during his testimony he could not control his laughter at the absurdity of some fraud allegations, such as the Italygate theory that satellites controlled from Italy had flipped votes from Trump to Biden, and that former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez had orchestrated an election fraud scheme, despite having died seven years earlier. Barr testified Trump never gave "an indication of interest in what the actual facts were," adding the president had "become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General#:~:text=The%20attorney%20general%20is%20supported,general%20since%20March%2011%2C%202021.
No doubt, Trump over-reacted and is paranoid.. But when your constantly attacked, its easy to get that way. As I said, I don't particularly like Trump, but as screwed-up as he is, I prefer his economics to a socialist. The anti-capitalist will destroy the country, socialism doesn't work.
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Post by fixit on Sept 9, 2024 13:40:23 GMT -5
Trump is not running for the highest office in the USA, he is running from the law. Becoming president is his only hope of escaping the long arm of the law. No, none of the charges or lawsuits came about until Trump announced he was running again.. Lawfare was used as a political tool to attack and discredit his candidacy.
When has Trump not had charges against him? USA Today found 4,095 lawsuits of Trump's: www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/trump-lawsuits/
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 9, 2024 13:48:54 GMT -5
Trump is not running for the highest office in the USA, he is running from the law. Becoming president is his only hope of escaping the long arm of the law.
No, none of the charges or lawsuits came about until Trump announced he was running again.. Lawfare was used as a political tool to attack and discredit his candidacy.
Complex crimes such as Trump specializes in were committed prior to his announcement to stand again. They require time to investigate properly. It would be outrageous that he would not be charged because of who he is. If he wants to avoid prosecution he should have kept his pants on and not hidden the payments to Daniels through a third party. Nor should he have messed with a woman in a changing room. If Trump represents the USA's rightwing moral values then you don't have very good morals. The economic policies of Trump's that you favour such as tarrifs will directly affect lower and middle class USA. His comment that it is a tax on other countries shows how little he knows about economics. If he were to do this then you can look forward to paying much more for a lot of stuff. His recent comments about lifting sanctions on Russia shows that he is still Putin's useful idiot. I have yet to see any socalist policy from Harris. What industries is she planning to nationlize?
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Post by snow on Sept 9, 2024 13:56:26 GMT -5
Trump politicised the department of justice of course. Six attorney generals served under Trump in four years, more than any other president I believe. Here's testimony from Attorney General William Barr regarding Donald Trump... Barr testified to the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack behind closed doors on June 2, 2022. Portions of his videotaped testimony were presented during the committee's public hearings days later. Barr testified that before resigning as attorney general, he had told president Trump that allegations of election fraud were "bullsh-." At times during his testimony he could not control his laughter at the absurdity of some fraud allegations, such as the Italygate theory that satellites controlled from Italy had flipped votes from Trump to Biden, and that former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez had orchestrated an election fraud scheme, despite having died seven years earlier. Barr testified Trump never gave "an indication of interest in what the actual facts were," adding the president had "become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General#:~:text=The%20attorney%20general%20is%20supported,general%20since%20March%2011%2C%202021. No doubt, Trump over-reacted and is paranoid.. But when your constantly attacked, its easy to get that way. As I said, I don't particularly like Trump, but as screwed-up as he is, I prefer his economics to a socialist. The anti-capitalist will destroy the country, socialism doesn't work.
www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/quality-of-life
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Post by fixit on Sept 9, 2024 14:04:46 GMT -5
No doubt, Trump over-reacted and is paranoid.. But when your constantly attacked, its easy to get that way. As I said, I don't particularly like Trump, but as screwed-up as he is, I prefer his economics to a socialist. The anti-capitalist will destroy the country, socialism doesn't work. Kamala's plans could be better, but it's a big stretch to say they would destroy the country. Trump's plans are worse and would do a lot of damage to the country. finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-vs-harris-the-economic-topics-to-watch-during-tomorrows-debate-142937727.html
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2024 18:15:00 GMT -5
Trump is not running for the highest office in the USA, he is running from the law. Becoming president is his only hope of escaping the long arm of the law. No, none of the charges or lawsuits came about until Trump announced he was running again.. Lawfare was used as a political tool to attack and discredit his candidacy.
You don't read enough newspapers.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2024 18:21:09 GMT -5
You need a really good course in civilization. You're scary stupid about this. No further comment. So you don't think any president appoints Attorney Generals who are sympathetic to their agenda? That's scary naive. It is illegal and unconstitutional for a president to appoint an attorney General for any reason other than his integrity in prosecute federal crimes. Your favorite candidate says he'll appoint an attorney general who will arrest his opponents. Political opponents are not by definition criminals. You're supposed to have learned that in high school.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2024 18:24:50 GMT -5
Trump politicised the department of justice of course. Six attorney generals served under Trump in four years, more than any other president I believe. Here's testimony from Attorney General William Barr regarding Donald Trump... Barr testified to the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack behind closed doors on June 2, 2022. Portions of his videotaped testimony were presented during the committee's public hearings days later. Barr testified that before resigning as attorney general, he had told president Trump that allegations of election fraud were "bullsh-." At times during his testimony he could not control his laughter at the absurdity of some fraud allegations, such as the Italygate theory that satellites controlled from Italy had flipped votes from Trump to Biden, and that former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez had orchestrated an election fraud scheme, despite having died seven years earlier. Barr testified Trump never gave "an indication of interest in what the actual facts were," adding the president had "become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General#:~:text=The%20attorney%20general%20is%20supported,general%20since%20March%2011%2C%202021. No doubt, Trump over-reacted and is paranoid.. But when your constantly attacked, its easy to get that way. As I said, I don't particularly like Trump, but as screwed-up as he is, I prefer his economics to a socialist. The anti-capitalist will destroy the country, socialism doesn't work.
No one is campaigning against capitalism. You suck up too much MAGA garbage.
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Post by fixit on Sept 9, 2024 20:06:43 GMT -5
No doubt, Trump over-reacted and is paranoid.. But when your constantly attacked, its easy to get that way. As I said, I don't particularly like Trump, but as screwed-up as he is, I prefer his economics to a socialist. The anti-capitalist will destroy the country, socialism doesn't work.
No one is campaigning against capitalism. You suck up too much MAGA garbage. Exactly. Kamala Harris wouldn't campaign on boosting small businesses if she was a Communist.
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Post by Dan on Sept 10, 2024 0:38:07 GMT -5
Complex crimes such as Trump specializes in were committed prior to his announcement to stand again. They require time to investigate properly. It would be outrageous that he would not be charged because of who he is. If he wants to avoid prosecution he should have kept his pants on and not hidden the payments to Daniels through a third party. Nor should he have messed with a woman in a changing room. If Trump represents the USA's rightwing moral values then you don't have very good morals. The economic policies of Trump's that you favour such as tarrifs will directly affect lower and middle class USA. His comment that it is a tax on other countries shows how little he knows about economics. If he were to do this then you can look forward to paying much more for a lot of stuff. His recent comments about lifting sanctions on Russia shows that he is still Putin's useful idiot. I have yet to see any socalist policy from Harris. What industries is she planning to nationlize?
1.43 inflation rate under Trump, Biden/Harris +30% inflation and still climbing. I'm not better off now than I was 4 years ago, tariffs or no tariffs. Performance speaks louder than lip service.
It was Biden/Harris who waived Trumps sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 Russian pipeline.
No one is campaigning against capitalism. You suck up too much MAGA garbage.
Your too gullible, you believe everything you read and can't distinguish between propaganda and reality. I've yet to meet a democrat that understood or supported capitalism. Harris wants to raise the capital gains tax, that's anti-capitalism. You don't get it either Bob, you've never had to hustle to create a business, your income has always been systemically acquired via institutions, so its difficult for a socialist to grasp the necessity of capitalism.
Exactly. Kamala Harris wouldn't campaign on boosting small businesses if she was a Communist.
She's saying what's convenient to get elected, but she's never stood for big or small businesses. Giving start-ups a $50k tax break is b.s, most start-ups aren't profitable and don't pay tax. Harris supported the rioters who were burning down businesses a few years ago, she supported the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which pays criminal bail and encouraged her supporters to donate to it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 10, 2024 1:31:00 GMT -5
Complex crimes such as Trump specializes in were committed prior to his announcement to stand again. They require time to investigate properly. It would be outrageous that he would not be charged because of who he is. If he wants to avoid prosecution he should have kept his pants on and not hidden the payments to Daniels through a third party. Nor should he have messed with a woman in a changing room. If Trump represents the USA's rightwing moral values then you don't have very good morals. The economic policies of Trump's that you favour such as tarrifs will directly affect lower and middle class USA. His comment that it is a tax on other countries shows how little he knows about economics. If he were to do this then you can look forward to paying much more for a lot of stuff. His recent comments about lifting sanctions on Russia shows that he is still Putin's useful idiot. I have yet to see any socalist policy from Harris. What industries is she planning to nationlize?
1.43 inflation rate under Trump, Biden/Harris +30% inflation and still climbing. I'm not better off now than I was 4 years ago, tariffs or no tariffs. Performance speaks louder than lip service.
It was Biden/Harris who waived Trumps sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 Russian pipeline.
No one is campaigning against capitalism. You suck up too much MAGA garbage.
Your too gullible, you believe everything you read and can't distinguish between propaganda and reality. I've yet to meet a democrat that understood or supported capitalism. Harris wants to raise the capital gains tax, that's anti-capitalism. You don't get it either Bob, you've never had to hustle to create a business, your income has always been systemically acquired via institutions, so its difficult for a socialist to grasp the necessity of capitalism.
Exactly. Kamala Harris wouldn't campaign on boosting small businesses if she was a Communist. She's saying what's convenient to get elected, but she's never stood for big or small businesses. Giving start-ups a $50k tax break is b.s, most start-ups aren't profitable and don't pay tax. Harris supported the rioters who were burning down businesses a few years ago, she supported the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which pays criminal bail and encouraged her supporters to donate to it.
Why did I even bother?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 10, 2024 1:56:06 GMT -5
Complex crimes such as Trump specializes in were committed prior to his announcement to stand again. They require time to investigate properly. It would be outrageous that he would not be charged because of who he is. If he wants to avoid prosecution he should have kept his pants on and not hidden the payments to Daniels through a third party. Nor should he have messed with a woman in a changing room. If Trump represents the USA's rightwing moral values then you don't have very good morals. The economic policies of Trump's that you favour such as tarrifs will directly affect lower and middle class USA. His comment that it is a tax on other countries shows how little he knows about economics. If he were to do this then you can look forward to paying much more for a lot of stuff. His recent comments about lifting sanctions on Russia shows that he is still Putin's useful idiot. I have yet to see any socalist policy from Harris. What industries is she planning to nationlize?
1.43 inflation rate under Trump, Biden/Harris +30% inflation and still climbing. I'm not better off now than I was 4 years ago, tariffs or no tariffs. Performance speaks louder than lip service.
It was Biden/Harris who waived Trumps sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 Russian pipeline.
No one is campaigning against capitalism. You suck up too much MAGA garbage.
Your too gullible, you believe everything you read and can't distinguish between propaganda and reality. I've yet to meet a democrat that understood or supported capitalism. Harris wants to raise the capital gains tax, that's anti-capitalism. You don't get it either Bob, you've never had to hustle to create a business, your income has always been systemically acquired via institutions, so its difficult for a socialist to grasp the necessity of capitalism.
Exactly. Kamala Harris wouldn't campaign on boosting small businesses if she was a Communist.
She's saying what's convenient to get elected, but she's never stood for big or small businesses. Giving start-ups a $50k tax break is b.s, most start-ups aren't profitable and don't pay tax. Harris supported the rioters who were burning down businesses a few years ago, she supported the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which pays criminal bail and encouraged her supporters to donate to it.
You should be posting your bullsht on the FunnyThread. 30% inflation.....hahaha
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Sept 10, 2024 12:47:14 GMT -5
So it remains complicated. The notion that RFK-jr in the White House would mean an end to vaccinations is propaganda though. RFK Jr, in his own words, is pro- vaccine. "In Thimerosal: Let the Science Speak, Kennedy writes that he does not see himself as anti-vaccine: "People who advocate for safer vaccines should not be marginalized or denounced as anti-vaccine. I am pro-vaccine. I had all six of my children vaccinated. I believe that vaccines have saved the lives of hundreds of millions of humans over the past century and that broad vaccine coverage is critical to public health. But I want our vaccines to be as safe as possible."[241]" You're believing another lie. It's complicated for you because you're mixing lies and truth. Kennedy doesn't let the science speak. Here's your quote in context... Kennedy is a prominent voice in the anti-vaccine movement, spreading anti-vaccine misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda. The infectious disease specialist Michael Osterholm has said that Kennedy's "anti-vaccine disinformation" is effective "because it's portrayed to the public with graphs and figures and what appears to be scientific data. He has perfected the art of illusion of fact." Osterholm added: "this is about people's lives. And the consequences of promoting this kind of disinformation, as credible as it may seem, is simply dangerous." Kennedy has said that he is not against vaccines but wants them to be more thoroughly tested and investigated. In Thimerosal: Let the Science Speak, Kennedy writes that he does not see himself as anti-vaccine: "People who advocate for safer vaccines should not be marginalized or denounced as anti-vaccine. I am pro-vaccine. I had all six of my children vaccinated. I believe that vaccines have saved the lives of hundreds of millions of humans over the past century and that broad vaccine coverage is critical to public health. But I want our vaccines to be as safe as possible." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr. So wanting better testing and safer vaccines makes you 'anti-vaccine'. Yeppers. So instead of delving into the science itself, and instead of letting Kennedy's actions (vaccinating his own children) or words sway your decision, you'll go on the word of a person who you've never heard of, who doesn't provide a single bit of evidence to contradict anything.
This is where we're at.
It's extremely complicated. The truth usually is. Which is why it is so easily disregarded by people who cannot be bothered by it. Do you think Pragmatic or Annon would prefer that the side effects they had after their vaccines were less severe? Or maybe they're lying. Because anyone who says some vaccines rushed through clinical trials might need reevaluated and tweaked to make them safer and more effective is an 'anti-vaxer'? Should they, like thousands of other people, just ignore the actual reality of their experience?
The media in this country is in that very business: trying to convince people to believe them and not their lyin' eyes.
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