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Post by fixit on Jul 18, 2024 15:28:29 GMT -5
OR..... We could agree that the general tone on both sides needs to cool. That Trump, as bad and dangerous as people imagine him to be, is certainly not the next Hitler. We could even do something radical and agree that free speech should be protected, and that words shouldn't be confused with actions. (Formerly, this was one of the best progressive principles). Or, we could double down in our contradictions.... painting Trump as the worst villain possible while also not wanting him killed. My wish is that Americans would wake up and realise they are being played by Russia, and possibly China and other enemies. America cannot be militarily defeated from outside, so the only way to weaken America is to turn it on itself. To make America great again you need Americans to renew their vows to their biggest asset - the Constitution.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 18, 2024 16:11:01 GMT -5
I will say - it's lucky that Trump survived. The built up anger and resentment toward the way the Washington system has attempted to litigate, character assassinate, bankrupt and generally make life miserable for their candidate who speaks (like it or not) for at least half of the country would mean at this moment we would certainly be in the beginning phases of a civil war. And I'm under no impression that our current commander and chief works be able to keep his military on his side. The military respects Trump. So it is lucky, regardless of what a person thinks of Trump. The military has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. So when the commander in chief despises the Constitution he shouldn't count on the support of the United States military. It's not "his military". The criminal mind does not understand logic such as that so that wee point wont even register with Trump.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 18, 2024 18:34:22 GMT -5
The twisting in the wind..... "Trump is a threat to democracy! He's Hitler!" [Gets shot] "Well.... I didn't want him dead.... because I don't want him to be a martyr..." Using your logic, we can safely assume that you wouldn't have wanted Adolf Hitler assassinated. You, therefore, become logically a Nazi sympathizer. Threat to democracy.... Trump's other change. Mao and Stalin epitomize that don't you think? So if you don't want a threat to democracy dead, you must also be a sympathizer of Mao and Stalin. This is your game... Now the intellectually honest thing to do would be to come out and say that Trump isn't anywhere in the same category as Mao, Stalin and Hitler. That the constant comparisons to Trump were just rhetorical and weren't serious. That those three were uniquely evil and sadistic leaders and any attempt to assassinate them would've been the right thing. But then, you'd be agreeing with what I've been saying for years when I pushed back against the "Trump = Hitler" nonesense. And we can't have that. The other extension of your logic is to go back and analyze statements against Trump by Democrat politicians and say they encouraged and incited the assassination attempt. Jan 6th style hearings, televised and going on for a month, painstakingly analyzing every syllable of Democrat rhetoric that may have encouraged the assassination attempt. OR..... We could agree that the general tone on both sides needs to cool. That Trump, as bad and dangerous as people imagine him to be, is certainly not the next Hitler. We could even do something radical and agree that free speech should be protected, and that words shouldn't be confused with actions. (Formerly, this was one of the best progressive principles). Or, we could double down in our contradictions.... painting Trump as the worst villain possible while also not wanting him killed. Your problem is extending other people's logic. No wonder you go bonkers. You should try extending the logic of finding the end of the universe. And you won't be able to blame that on anyone else.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 19, 2024 2:52:19 GMT -5
The twisting in the wind..... "Trump is a threat to democracy! He's Hitler!" [Gets shot] "Well.... I didn't want him dead.... because I don't want him to be a martyr..." Using your logic, we can safely assume that you wouldn't have wanted Adolf Hitler assassinated. You, therefore, become logically a Nazi sympathizer. Threat to democracy.... Trump's other change. Mao and Stalin epitomize that don't you think? So if you don't want a threat to democracy dead, you must also be a sympathizer of Mao and Stalin. This is your game... Now the intellectually honest thing to do would be to come out and say that Trump isn't anywhere in the same category as Mao, Stalin and Hitler. That the constant comparisons to Trump were just rhetorical and weren't serious. That those three were uniquely evil and sadistic leaders and any attempt to assassinate them would've been the right thing. But then, you'd be agreeing with what I've been saying for years when I pushed back against the "Trump = Hitler" nonesense. And we can't have that. The other extension of your logic is to go back and analyze statements against Trump by Democrat politicians and say they encouraged and incited the assassination attempt. Jan 6th style hearings, televised and going on for a month, painstakingly analyzing every syllable of Democrat rhetoric that may have encouraged the assassination attempt. OR..... We could agree that the general tone on both sides needs to cool. That Trump, as bad and dangerous as people imagine him to be, is certainly not the next Hitler. We could even do something radical and agree that free speech should be protected, and that words shouldn't be confused with actions. (Formerly, this was one of the best progressive principles). Or, we could double down in our contradictions.... painting Trump as the worst villain possible while also not wanting him killed. Your problem is extending other people's logic. No wonder you go bonkers. You should try extending the logic of finding the end of the universe. And you won't be able to blame that on anyone else. Your problem is Trump Derangement Syndrome and the need to compare him to Hitler. If extending the logic of your and others' ridiculous statements is my "problem", then I must respond with a simple "Thank you. Point proved." I typically go bonkers until it becomes obvious that the other person already is bonkers, has been so for years, and will beat me by experience. Cheers everyone. Enjoy the next 4 years!
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 19, 2024 3:09:25 GMT -5
I will say - it's lucky that Trump survived. The built up anger and resentment toward the way the Washington system has attempted to litigate, character assassinate, bankrupt and generally make life miserable for their candidate who speaks (like it or not) for at least half of the country would mean at this moment we would certainly be in the beginning phases of a civil war. And I'm under no impression that our current commander and chief works be able to keep his military on his side. The military respects Trump. So it is lucky, regardless of what a person thinks of Trump. The military has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. So when the commander in chief despises the Constitution he shouldn't count on the support of the United States military. It's not "his military". A prior document (Declaration of Independence) written before the Constitution says this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." So besides the obvious point that if Trump were assassinated, it wouldn't be "his" military be definition in any possible sense, if a candidate with at least 50% democratic support was assassinated after years of political persecution, it wouldn't take much to convince a volunteer military which already doesn't respect their commander to decide that, as they did in 1776, their government no longer represents them and democracy as a method of correction is under assault as well. The British citizens in 1776 broke quite a few laws of their country. It isn't unimaginable to think it could happen again. Of course, it was a 20 year old screwed up kid, but in the aftermath of a successful assassination, cooler heads would not (imo) prevail. If/since he wasn't assassinated, there's no way he could convince active duty military (despite his support amongst veterans) to go against their oath to protect the Constitution. But if he's successfully eliminated in this political environment, we'd have serious problems. And I wouldn't want to imagine too much how bad it may get. I'm glad they only got his ear.
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Post by fixit on Jul 19, 2024 4:35:39 GMT -5
So the Union should have reinvaded the South after Abraham Lincoln was assassinated?
And the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness means jobless people can rise up against the government?
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Post by snow on Jul 21, 2024 15:09:23 GMT -5
Joe Biden drops out of race and endorses Kamila Harris. So now what? Who do you see as a person that will be able to win this election? Not sure Kamila can do it, however, it's probably one of the best times in history for a woman president. Many women have had their privacy and care for their own bodies taken away from them and if she runs on the platform that 30% of women who live in red states already are in that reality, if Trump gets elected, 100% of women will lose their rights. Project 2025 wants a federal ban on abortion and his new VP is the one that says no exceptions even for rape or incest. He hails from the state where a 10 year old girl was refused her rights and she was the survivor of rape and incest both. So it will be an interesting race and decision on the side of the Dems.
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Post by help on Jul 21, 2024 17:32:03 GMT -5
You are right Snow, Women have been dominated by Men for far too long and the sooner that Men understand that, the better the World will be.
On another thread we read about a Sister Worker that recorded a Worker's meeting. That recording has gone public and revealed the true agenda of the Overseers. Women have a lot to offer with their wisdom and understanding and are much more compassionate. The USA certainly needs the skills of a Woman to temper it at the moment, more than ever.
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Post by fixit on Jul 21, 2024 21:57:05 GMT -5
Will Trumpist temper tantrums result in "blood in the streets" when he loses?
Trump and Republicans are showing clear signs of panic now that Joe is not running.
Trump is now the oldest candidate for the presidency ever, and he mixes up names and says lots of stupid stuff.
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Post by Dan on Jul 21, 2024 22:29:54 GMT -5
I think Trump would win against Kamala Harris, but would likely lose if Michelle Obama decided to run.. Barack Obama would likely be her VP and would run the show.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2024 22:32:38 GMT -5
It is smart to bet that there will be blood, no matter who wins. If Kamala wins, it will probably happen before she is sworn in. If Trump wins, they may wait until after he is sworn in.
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Post by fixit on Jul 21, 2024 22:49:37 GMT -5
Kamala is smarter than Trump, but Trump has a bigger mouth.
We'll have to wait and see if Americans prefer the big mouth narcissist.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2024 23:42:20 GMT -5
Kamala is smarter than Trump, but Trump has a bigger mouth. We'll have to wait and see if Americans prefer the big mouth narcissist. She's an exquisite interrogator. I can't wait to see her debate Trump.
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Post by Annan on Jul 22, 2024 6:21:35 GMT -5
Joe Biden drops out of race and endorses Kamila Harris. So now what? Who do you see as a person that will be able to win this election? Not sure Kamila can do it, however, it's probably one of the best times in history for a woman president. Many women have had their privacy and care for their own bodies taken away from them and if she runs on the platform that 30% of women who live in red states already are in that reality, if Trump gets elected, 100% of women will lose their rights. Project 2025 wants a federal ban on abortion and his new VP is the one that says no exceptions even for rape or incest. He hails from the state where a 10 year old girl was refused her rights and she was the survivor of rape and incest both. So it will be an interesting race and decision on the side of the Dems. I'm hoping Kamala will bring out the black and the female vote. The hubby says if Kamala is the the Dem's candidate that it's Trump's presidency to lose. I disagree. What women in this county need to do is close their legs. That seems to be the catalyst that gets things accomplished.
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Post by matisse on Jul 22, 2024 8:23:53 GMT -5
Prosecuter (Harris) vs. Felon (Trump)
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Post by fixit on Jul 22, 2024 14:32:31 GMT -5
Joe Biden drops out of race and endorses Kamila Harris. So now what? Who do you see as a person that will be able to win this election? Not sure Kamila can do it, however, it's probably one of the best times in history for a woman president. Many women have had their privacy and care for their own bodies taken away from them and if she runs on the platform that 30% of women who live in red states already are in that reality, if Trump gets elected, 100% of women will lose their rights. Project 2025 wants a federal ban on abortion and his new VP is the one that says no exceptions even for rape or incest. He hails from the state where a 10 year old girl was refused her rights and she was the survivor of rape and incest both. So it will be an interesting race and decision on the side of the Dems. I'm hoping Kamala will bring out the black and the female vote. The hubby says if Kamala is the the Dem's candidate that it's Trump's presidency to lose. I disagree. What women in this county need to do is close their legs. That seems to be the catalyst that gets things accomplished. Do you think it has a chance of preventing a convicted sex offender from being elected president? American Christians chose this guy to lead the country in 2016:
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 22, 2024 17:27:06 GMT -5
I'm hoping Kamala will bring out the black and the female vote. The hubby says if Kamala is the the Dem's candidate that it's Trump's presidency to lose. I disagree. What women in this county need to do is close their legs. That seems to be the catalyst that gets things accomplished. Do you think it has a chance of preventing a convicted sex offender from being elected president? American Christians chose this guy to lead the country in 2016: I think she has a chance. She has great credentials -- and great experience. One thing for sure, this throws a wrench into Trump's campaign. He hates strong women, and she has a reputation for dealing Trump-style "perpetrators".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 22, 2024 18:20:20 GMT -5
Do you think it has a chance of preventing a convicted sex offender from being elected president? American Christians chose this guy to lead the country in 2016: I think she has a chance. She has great credentials -- and great experience. One thing for sure, this throws a wrench into Trump's campaign. He hates strong women, and she has a reputation for dealing Trump-style "perpetrators". Trumps policies are laughable. Close the border..... last time he was president he got Mexico to pay for a wall. haha Knock income tax on the head and replace with tariffs cos "China will pay them" hahaha Make it really difficult for women to get an abortion. It's a pity his mother didn't have one. Harris is more than a match for Trump. She is an articulate no nonsense woman up against a blustering bloviating rapist, scammer and fraudster. It will be interesting to see how many millions of americans like a man like that.
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Post by Dan on Jul 22, 2024 23:09:03 GMT -5
Prosecuter (Harris) vs. Felon (Trump)
To republicans, that's like saying; Prosecutor (Pilate) vs. Felon (Christ).
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 22, 2024 23:19:13 GMT -5
Prosecuter (Harris) vs. Felon (Trump)
To republicans, that's like saying; Prosecutor (Pilate) vs. Felon (Christ). Nailed it.
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Post by fixit on Jul 22, 2024 23:49:10 GMT -5
Prosecuter (Harris) vs. Felon (Trump) To republicans, that's like saying; Prosecutor (Pilate) vs. Felon (Christ). Honestly Dan, you must be pretty brainwashed to compare Trump with Jesus. It's dangerous... time.com/6958203/civil-war-history-trump-jesus/
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 23, 2024 0:00:39 GMT -5
That is real dangerous territory, doing that.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 23, 2024 0:17:25 GMT -5
That is real dangerous territory, doing that. A couple tubes of "NO MORE GAPS" would fix Trump.
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Post by Dan on Jul 23, 2024 0:27:09 GMT -5
I didn't, it was an analogy of how ultra conservatives perceive the overly zealous and politically motivated liberal prosecutors in regards to the nonsensical 34 felonies for simply miscategorizing a business deduction. Conservatives considered it to be nothing more than a witch hunt. Similar to the religiously motivated Pharisees who tried to convince Pilate that Jesus was a threat of instigating an insurrection against Rome.
A book keeping error doesn't warrant 32 felonies anymore than Jesus proclaiming himself to be a King deserved crucifixion (Luke 23:2). Both cases were instigated by people who found someone they hate, inventing a crime, and then assigning a ridiculous penalty.
I wasn't comparing Trump to Christ, I don't think anyone is comparable to Christ ..
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Post by fixit on Jul 23, 2024 2:20:08 GMT -5
Did you read the transcript of the trial?
There was a felony for each action involved in the payments that Trump made to his fixer: 11 invoices, 11 checks, and 12 ledger entries.
These payments were no accident, he knew exactly what he was paying for and that it was being claimed as a business expense.
America is a nation governed by laws and its important that no one is above the law.
If you want people to be allowed to rip off the taxpayer, then allow it for everyone.
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Post by Annan on Jul 23, 2024 7:00:58 GMT -5
I'm hoping Kamala will bring out the black and the female vote. The hubby says if Kamala is the the Dem's candidate that it's Trump's presidency to lose. I disagree. What women in this county need to do is close their legs. That seems to be the catalyst that gets things accomplished. Do you think it has a chance of preventing a convicted sex offender from being elected president? American Christians chose this guy to lead the country in 2016: I fail to see any reason and logic in this mess. Some people will vote Republican no matter if the candidate said he would sell us down the river the first chance he got. Then there's the anti abortion folks and the rednecks who love Trump's style. And for the record, I voted for Hillary. What does that say about me?
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Post by Dan on Jul 23, 2024 11:54:30 GMT -5
Did you read the transcript of the trial? There was a felony for each action involved in the payments that Trump made to his fixer: 11 invoices, 11 checks, and 12 ledger entries. These payments were no accident, he knew exactly what he was paying for and that it was being claimed as a business expense. America is a nation governed by laws and its important that no one is above the law. If you want people to be allowed to rip off the taxpayer, then allow it for everyone.
It still doesn't warrant a life sentence (102 years).. And if Trump doesn't win his appeal, you can bet the socialist judge that hates him will give him the maximum.
Its not about being above the law, its about jacking up the charges from misdemeanors to 34 separate felonies in order to intentionally destroy a person. Imo, its like assigning a 50 year sentence for jaywalking.
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Post by fixit on Jul 23, 2024 15:04:47 GMT -5
And for the record, I voted for Hillary. What does that say about me? For starters it says you were not brainwashed by the Russian bot farms.
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