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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 16, 2024 0:34:25 GMT -5
Trump wants to flood the country with guns. Who wouldda thunk he would be on the receiving end of one? What I don't understand is why there were shots fired before Trump was hit. I grew up with guns. If I nicked a target with the first shot, I sure as heck would hit my mark the second time. More needs to be learned about the shooter. More than likely it was a case of nerves. I'm waiting for Trump to compare himself with JFK. He is arrogant enough to do so. What I worry about now is a retaliatory assassination attempt against Biden. Trump's followers are insane enough to do so. And am I the only one who saw the Mein Kampf salute by Trump? No, you're not. It was very obvious. And today he announces that his running mate is the man who called Trump "America's Hitler". Shame shame.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 16, 2024 0:41:29 GMT -5
The sniper was Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20 year old from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. He used an AR-15 and was an excellent shot. His mistake was not firing when Trump was stationary at the podium addressing the audience. Trump simultaneously turned his head as the trigger was pulled, otherwise the bullet would have hit him right between the eyes or through his right eye. I couldn't have made that shot from 120 yards, shooting slightly downhill with a light left to right breeze. Patience was the shooters only mistake, I think he was spotted, civilians had pointed him out, so Crook rushed the shot. I'm sure the radical lefties are very disappointed today, all of their Hitler/Dictator rhetoric paid off as they succeeded in inspiring a crazed sociopath, but it only resulted in a right ear piercing and an innocent man being killed. Gotta wonder if the Oath Keepers or Proud Boys will retaliate. They should lay low as this assassination attempt will likely generate some sympathetic votes for Trump.
If only all of that made sense to everyone!!!
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 16, 2024 17:39:51 GMT -5
Ammunition is now available at vending machines in grocery stores in Alabama, Oklahoma, and Texas. Coming soon to Colorado It seems to be readily available in Pennsylvania as well. I have been wondering who shot Trump and there's several choices. A woman he raped years ago. An underage girl he bought off Epstein. The plumber he didn't pay. The builder he didn't pay. The guy that supplied the teleprompter. Unreal. Just unreal. My best advice to @dan is to stop wasting your time on this cesspool of nonsense. This is a sick, sad forum. I created a profile to gloat about all the things I was right about (which is in terrible taste, but somehow still better than the deranged conversation that goes on here) but I regret even doing that now. These idiots cannot be reasoned with.
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Post by fixit on Jul 16, 2024 18:03:44 GMT -5
Just unreal. My best advice to @dan is to stop wasting your time on this cesspool of nonsense. This is a sick, sad forum. I created a profile to gloat about all the things I was right about (which is in terrible taste, but somehow still better than the deranged conversation that goes on here) but I regret even doing that now. These idiots cannot be reasoned with. That's a typical authoritarian attitude.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 16, 2024 19:03:03 GMT -5
Just unreal. My best advice to @dan is to stop wasting your time on this cesspool of nonsense. This is a sick, sad forum. I created a profile to gloat about all the things I was right about (which is in terrible taste, but somehow still better than the deranged conversation that goes on here) but I regret even doing that now. These idiots cannot be reasoned with. That's a typical authoritarian attitude. I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 16, 2024 19:32:56 GMT -5
That's a typical authoritarian attitude. I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting. You don't believe court decisions against Trump? That's weird.
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Post by fixit on Jul 16, 2024 20:19:53 GMT -5
That's a typical authoritarian attitude. I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting. You shouldn't assume that I wanted Trump killed just because I didn't decry the assassination attempt. I do decry violence, which is why I was concerned about your attitude of "These idiots cannot be reasoned with." Violence is what happens when you stop reasoning with people.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 16, 2024 20:28:59 GMT -5
I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting. You don't believe court decisions against Trump? That's weird. Do you believe the ones that were dismissed? That's weird.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 16, 2024 20:38:50 GMT -5
I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting. You shouldn't assume that I wanted Trump killed just because I didn't decry the assassination attempt. I do decry violence, which is why I was concerned about your attitude of "These idiots cannot be reasoned with." Violence is what happens when you stop reasoning with people. I tried and tried. And got nothing in return. Nobody wants to listen to or reason through anything remotely objective about Trump. They call him an existential threat to the existence of democracy and don't listen to him. Most people only know curated cherry picked Trump quotes. Taken out of context for the purpose of painting him as Hitler. This is simply false. But it got him shot, so well done! And America is finally understanding how badly they've been lied to. And Biden's lies (like his claim in the debate that no US soldiers died under his presidency or his insistence that inflation was 9% when he took office) are simply ignored. I heard analysis of one of Trump's "lies" when he said "[xyz that I can't remember] was the best it's ever been". The CNN "fact checker" was like.... "no.... because it was better in 1920 something....". So it was a "lie". He "lied". America is waking up. Thank God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 16, 2024 20:47:34 GMT -5
That's a typical authoritarian attitude. I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting. FWIW, I came to this country at the ripe old age of 40 with the full understanding that politics in the US is a shooting game -- longstanding reputation throughout the rest of the democratic world community. I resent the suggestion that I approve of any of it. BUT, I will assure you that an attempted assassination against a slime of a candidate does not improve my respect for him as a candidate - - it's his game, not mine. I'm actually thankful Trump survived, FWIW.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 16, 2024 20:56:33 GMT -5
You shouldn't assume that I wanted Trump killed just because I didn't decry the assassination attempt. I do decry violence, which is why I was concerned about your attitude of "These idiots cannot be reasoned with." Violence is what happens when you stop reasoning with people. I tried and tried. And got nothing in return. Nobody wants to listen to or reason through anything remotely objective about Trump. They call him an existential threat to the existence of democracy and don't listen to him. I listened closely to him -- I believed he meant what he said the first time he opened his mouth in 2016. I identified him as the threat to the existence of democracy every principled conservative saw of him. Of course you didn't get what you want. We watched while Trump picked, for his VP candidate presumably of his own ideology, a man who identified him as America's Hitler -- that's not compatible with virtue -- period. When THEY say it, I won't argue. If I were disenchanted with living in America, I have a much more peaceful place to go to.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 16, 2024 23:16:47 GMT -5
I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting. FWIW, I came to this country at the ripe old age of 40 with the full understanding that politics in the US is a shooting game -- longstanding reputation throughout the rest of the democratic world community. I resent the suggestion that I approve of any of it. BUT, I will assure you that an attempted assassination against a slime of a candidate does not improve my respect for him as a candidate - - it's his game, not mine. I'm actually thankful Trump survived, FWIW. How can you be thankful that someone who you have spent years comparing to Hitler survived? Unless, as I think we both know, you were BSing the whole time. I will say - it's lucky that Trump survived. The built up anger and resentment toward the way the Washington system has attempted to litigate, character assassinate, bankrupt and generally make life miserable for their candidate who speaks (like it or not) for at least half of the country would mean at this moment we would certainly be in the beginning phases of a civil war. And I'm under no impression that our current commander and chief works be able to keep his military on his side. The military respects Trump. So it is lucky, regardless of what a person thinks of Trump.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 16, 2024 23:21:03 GMT -5
I tried and tried. And got nothing in return. Nobody wants to listen to or reason through anything remotely objective about Trump. They call him an existential threat to the existence of democracy and don't listen to him. I listened closely to him -- I believed he meant what he said the first time he opened his mouth in 2016. I identified him as the threat to the existence of democracy every principled conservative saw of him. Of course you didn't get what you want. We watched while Trump picked, for his VP candidate presumably of his own ideology, a man who identified him as America's Hitler -- that's not compatible with virtue -- period. When THEY say it, I won't argue. If I were disenchanted with living in America, I have a much more peaceful place to go to. JD Vance believed what the media told him, before he ever knew Trump and before he had any idea of his policies. I did too. A halfway reasonable person can change their mind with evidence. The ability to consider new evidence and alter one's opinion used to be considered a progressive virtue. Underneath the hatred (perhaps it's just a manifestation of jealousy?) of Trump, I expect it still is a virtue that is waiting for progressives to discover it once more.
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Post by Dan on Jul 16, 2024 23:34:07 GMT -5
I would've thought that you, of all people, would've woken up to the type of people you're dealing with here - the kinds of lies you have been fed. I'm not wishing to have authority over anyone. If I hadn't spent literally wasted years thinking that compromise and middle ground was possible with the leftists on this forum, it would be rather cynical. As it stands, it's reality. We nearly had a former president and future president assassinated. That hadn't happened since before I was born. And Bob? Curly? You? Did anyone care? Nope. And THAT'S the difference. I can't stand Biden. I think he's useless and I dread whoever might have to try to wake him up at 3am with 7 minutes to make nuclear decisions. But I would NEVER want him killed. And would be the first to decry such an attempt! I spoke out against the "Hang Pence" people. And that sentiment I've heard echoed throughout conservative circles. But leftists here, including political aides, are saying stuff like "too bad he missed!". They took MSNBC Morning Joe off the air Monday because the network couldn't trust its anchors not to say something obscene about the attempt on Trump's life. There should be zero moral or intellectual reason to pay the slightest bit of attention to the liberals and their media puppets here in the US. Their minds have rotted and their souls are full of venom. One last food for thought - where are the right wing riots? The burning down towns? Their candidate was nearly killed. Can't find it. You instead see them praying and uniting. You don't believe court decisions against Trump? That's weird.
What people don't agree with is a $355 million dollar fine for allegedly inflating the value of real estate to get a loan. Especially when the financing agents approved the loan, the loan was fully paid back, and there were no complaints or victims as everyone made money. Yes, the court decision is reality, but clearly lawfare. Nothing but a politically motivated shame designed to abuse the judicial system to denigrate a viable opponent.
Then of course there's the 34 felony counts that could require a 102 year prison sentence! For what? Trump's accountants mistakenly wrote-off attorney fees as a business expense. If you or I did that, the IRS would just require us to pay the back taxes and interest on the illegitimate deduction.
Then there's Jean Carrol, the woman who claimed Trump groped her in a populated department store in 1996. With no witnesses or evidence, the socialistic biased jury awarded her $5 million.
None of these cases materialized until Trump announced his candidacy.. Hmm
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Post by fixit on Jul 16, 2024 23:34:12 GMT -5
I listened closely to him -- I believed he meant what he said the first time he opened his mouth in 2016. I identified him as the threat to the existence of democracy every principled conservative saw of him. Of course you didn't get what you want. We watched while Trump picked, for his VP candidate presumably of his own ideology, a man who identified him as America's Hitler -- that's not compatible with virtue -- period. When THEY say it, I won't argue. If I were disenchanted with living in America, I have a much more peaceful place to go to. JD Vance believed what the media told him, before he ever knew Trump and before he had any idea of his policies. I did too. A halfway reasonable person can change their mind with evidence. The ability to consider new evidence and alter one's opinion used to be considered a progressive virtue. Underneath the hatred (perhaps it's just a manifestation of jealousy?) of Trump, I expect it still is a virtue that is waiting for progressives to discover it once more. If you want a decent world for kids and grandkids, it seems a backward move to eliminate the 2050 carbon zero target. I do hope the US national debt will contine to level off under Trump as it is under Biden. Tax cuts for the wealthy seems foolish when the debt is growing.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 16, 2024 23:44:32 GMT -5
JD Vance believed what the media told him, before he ever knew Trump and before he had any idea of his policies. I did too. A halfway reasonable person can change their mind with evidence. The ability to consider new evidence and alter one's opinion used to be considered a progressive virtue. Underneath the hatred (perhaps it's just a manifestation of jealousy?) of Trump, I expect it still is a virtue that is waiting for progressives to discover it once more. If you want a decent world for kids and grandkids, it seems a backward move to eliminate the 2050 carbon zero target. I do hope the US national debt will contine to level off under Trump as it is under Biden. Tax cuts for the wealthy seems foolish when the debt is growing. A decent economy would help... the big jump in the last year of Trump and the first year of Biden has a pretty obvious cause though.
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Post by Dan on Jul 17, 2024 1:22:16 GMT -5
If you want a decent world for kids and grandkids, it seems a backward move to eliminate the 2050 carbon zero target. I do hope the US national debt will contine to level off under Trump as it is under Biden. Tax cuts for the wealthy seems foolish when the debt is growing.
That's whats behind inflation... They need to devalue the dollar to pay-off debt... The U.S. national debt is near $36 trillion now. It was just $16 billion in 1930.
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Post by fixit on Jul 17, 2024 1:56:58 GMT -5
What people don't agree with is a $355 million dollar fine for allegedly inflating the value of real estate to get a loan. Especially when the financing agents approved the loan, the loan was fully paid back, and there were no complaints or victims as everyone made money. Yes, the court decision is reality, but clearly lawfare. Nothing but a politically motivated shame designed to abuse the judicial system to denigrate a viable opponent. Then of course there's the 34 felony counts that could require a 102 year prison sentence! For what? Trump's accountants mistakenly wrote-off attorney fees as a business expense. If you or I did that, the IRS would just require us to pay the back taxes and interest on the illegitimate deduction. Then there's Jean Carrol, the woman who claimed Trump groped her in a populated department store in 1996. With no witnesses or evidence, the socialistic biased jury awarded her $5 million. None of these cases materialized until Trump announced his candidacy.. Hmm
You habitually embellish accusations against Biden, and downplay accusations against Trump. 1. Not groping..........Trump raped Carroll in the dressing room of a posh Manhattan department store. 2. How could Biden "abuse the judicial system to denigrate a viable opponent"?
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2024 15:22:41 GMT -5
Iran has made it known that they will attempt to assassinate Trump. There has been extra security because of these threats. I am glad that Trump was not killed. There is never room for violence and that kid just changed everything. I doubt he had any concept of just how far reaching his actions would be when he decided it was a good idea to take a gun to a Trump rally and fire shots. He was a Republican and there were Trump signs on his lawn. I don't think anyone will ever know what his motive was.
People are talking about lowering the temperature and then the rhetoric at the RNC is all about how terrible the Dems are. If they want to lower the temperature maybe everyone should quit calling each other names.
If you allow a politician to come between you and family and friends that is just wrong. Love is what matters instead of hating the 'other side'. Disagree sure. That's healthy in a democracy. But when you take to the level of vilifying the other side, then you've lost everything. JMT
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Post by Dan on Jul 17, 2024 16:31:10 GMT -5
What people don't agree with is a $355 million dollar fine for allegedly inflating the value of real estate to get a loan. Especially when the financing agents approved the loan, the loan was fully paid back, and there were no complaints or victims as everyone made money. Yes, the court decision is reality, but clearly lawfare. Nothing but a politically motivated shame designed to abuse the judicial system to denigrate a viable opponent. Then of course there's the 34 felony counts that could require a 102 year prison sentence! For what? Trump's accountants mistakenly wrote-off attorney fees as a business expense. If you or I did that, the IRS would just require us to pay the back taxes and interest on the illegitimate deduction. Then there's Jean Carrol, the woman who claimed Trump groped her in a populated department store in 1996. With no witnesses or evidence, the socialistic biased jury awarded her $5 million. None of these cases materialized until Trump announced his candidacy.. Hmm
You habitually embellish accusations against Biden, and downplay accusations against Trump. 1. Not groping..........Trump raped Carroll in the dressing room of a posh Manhattan department store. 2. How could Biden "abuse the judicial system to denigrate a viable opponent"?
Most of my complaints against Biden are political, because I believe his policies like 'open borders' are destructive.
Carroll had no witnesses and no evidence, your conclusion is only based on what she claimed. The dressing room had no ceiling, it was open, so all Carrol had to do is scream and store security would have been there in seconds! They may have had sex, but I suspect she was a willing participant. She was a spurned woman and pissed-off that Trump never called her the next day.
Biden's appointed U.S Attorney General Merrick Garland has assigned a prosecutor to go after Trump, that case was just dismissed by a federal judge in Florida. If you think all these charges against Trump just popped up by accident and ended up in the most progressively liberal courts in the country, your living in a fantasy land.
Trump was charged and his home was raided by the FBI for having classified documents. Biden had unsecured classified documents in his garage and the government did nothing.. Surely you can see that there's a double standard at play?
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Post by fixit on Jul 17, 2024 17:02:48 GMT -5
Most of my complaints against Biden are political, because I believe his policies like 'open borders' are destructive. Trump and his brainwashed Republicans want the border to be as open as possible, so they can campaign on fixing it. The bi-partisan approach sought by Biden would have been much more sensible but Trumpists thrive on polarised politics.
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Post by fixit on Jul 17, 2024 17:06:31 GMT -5
Biden's appointed U.S Attorney General Merrick Garland has assigned a prosecutor to go after Trump, that case was just dismissed by a federal judge in Florida. If you think all these charges against Trump just popped up by accident and ended up in the most progressively liberal courts in the country, your living in a fantasy land. If you think all these charges against Trump just popped up when he entered politics you're living in a fantasy land. From: Personal and business legal affairs of Donald TrumpFrom the 1970s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in United States federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes.
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Post by fixit on Jul 17, 2024 17:16:32 GMT -5
Trump was charged and his home was raided by the FBI for having classified documents. Biden had unsecured classified documents in his garage and the government did nothing.. Surely you can see that there's a double standard at play? From: Biden and Trump: How the two classified documents investigations came to different endingsHur’s report says the differences between the two cases are “clear.” Unlike Biden — who cooperated with investigators, agreed to searches of his homes and sat for a voluntary interview — the allegations in Trump’s case present “serious aggravating facts,” Hur wrote. “Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite,” the report said.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2024 22:56:01 GMT -5
FWIW, I came to this country at the ripe old age of 40 with the full understanding that politics in the US is a shooting game -- longstanding reputation throughout the rest of the democratic world community. I resent the suggestion that I approve of any of it. BUT, I will assure you that an attempted assassination against a slime of a candidate does not improve my respect for him as a candidate - - it's his game, not mine. I'm actually thankful Trump survived, FWIW. How can you be thankful that someone who you have spent years comparing to Hitler survived? Why? He doesn't deserve martyr status. He's already disgraced us enough for one lifetime. Yeah. BS is fertilizer for the learning of wisdom. We know a lot of impressions you don't have.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2024 23:01:09 GMT -5
I listened closely to him -- I believed he meant what he said the first time he opened his mouth in 2016. I identified him as the threat to the existence of democracy every principled conservative saw of him. Of course you didn't get what you want. We watched while Trump picked, for his VP candidate presumably of his own ideology, a man who identified him as America's Hitler -- that's not compatible with virtue -- period. When THEY say it, I won't argue. If I were disenchanted with living in America, I have a much more peaceful place to go to. JD Vance believed what the media told him, before he ever knew Trump and before he had any idea of his policies. I did too. A halfway reasonable person can change their mind with evidence. The ability to consider new evidence and alter one's opinion used to be considered a progressive virtue. Underneath the hatred (perhaps it's just a manifestation of jealousy?) of Trump, I expect it still is a virtue that is waiting for progressives to discover it once more. You obviously have no clue what I hate. But that's ok. I don't want you to know.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2024 23:24:09 GMT -5
You don't believe court decisions against Trump? That's weird. What people don't agree with is a $355 million dollar fine for allegedly inflating the value of real estate to get a loan. Especially when the financing agents approved the loan, the loan was fully paid back, and there were no complaints or victims as everyone made money.
That's actually a lie. And such dealings were made illegal because there are indeed people damaged by them. The term you coined demonstrated disdain for the American virtue of obeying the law. The virtuous response to such criminality was demonstrated by the Democrats this time -- instead of calling Bob Menendez an appointment from God, they want him gone where he belongs. It is NOT required. Exactly -- ignorance of the law IS NOT A DEFENSE. Trump hasn't paid it all back anyway -- and he hasn't gone to prison for it either. SO when you decide to run for president, make sure no one knows anything uncomplimentary of you, because you'll have enough time dealing with the lies they make up about you.
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Post by ipsedixit3 on Jul 18, 2024 12:07:54 GMT -5
The twisting in the wind.....
"Trump is a threat to democracy! He's Hitler!"
[Gets shot]
"Well.... I didn't want him dead.... because I don't want him to be a martyr..."
Using your logic, we can safely assume that you wouldn't have wanted Adolf Hitler assassinated. You, therefore, become logically a Nazi sympathizer.
Threat to democracy.... Trump's other change. Mao and Stalin epitomize that don't you think? So if you don't want a threat to democracy dead, you must also be a sympathizer of Mao and Stalin.
This is your game...
Now the intellectually honest thing to do would be to come out and say that Trump isn't anywhere in the same category as Mao, Stalin and Hitler. That the constant comparisons to Trump were just rhetorical and weren't serious. That those three were uniquely evil and sadistic leaders and any attempt to assassinate them would've been the right thing.
But then, you'd be agreeing with what I've been saying for years when I pushed back against the "Trump = Hitler" nonesense. And we can't have that.
The other extension of your logic is to go back and analyze statements against Trump by Democrat politicians and say they encouraged and incited the assassination attempt. Jan 6th style hearings, televised and going on for a month, painstakingly analyzing every syllable of Democrat rhetoric that may have encouraged the assassination attempt.
OR..... We could agree that the general tone on both sides needs to cool. That Trump, as bad and dangerous as people imagine him to be, is certainly not the next Hitler. We could even do something radical and agree that free speech should be protected, and that words shouldn't be confused with actions. (Formerly, this was one of the best progressive principles).
Or, we could double down in our contradictions.... painting Trump as the worst villain possible while also not wanting him killed.
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Post by fixit on Jul 18, 2024 15:08:59 GMT -5
I will say - it's lucky that Trump survived. The built up anger and resentment toward the way the Washington system has attempted to litigate, character assassinate, bankrupt and generally make life miserable for their candidate who speaks (like it or not) for at least half of the country would mean at this moment we would certainly be in the beginning phases of a civil war. And I'm under no impression that our current commander and chief works be able to keep his military on his side. The military respects Trump. So it is lucky, regardless of what a person thinks of Trump. The military has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. So when the commander in chief despises the Constitution he shouldn't count on the support of the United States military. It's not "his military".
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