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Post by Annan on Jul 14, 2024 6:21:43 GMT -5
Trump wants to flood the country with guns. Who wouldda thunk he would be on the receiving end of one? What I don't understand is why there were shots fired before Trump was hit. I grew up with guns. If I nicked a target with the first shot, I sure as heck would hit my mark the second time. More needs to be learned about the shooter. More than likely it was a case of nerves. I'm waiting for Trump to compare himself with JFK. He is arrogant enough to do so. What I worry about now is a retaliatory assassination attempt against Biden. Trump's followers are insane enough to do so. And am I the only one who saw the Mein Kampf salute by Trump?
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Post by xna on Jul 14, 2024 11:52:33 GMT -5
The shooter was Thomas Matthew Crooks, a registered Republican. It will be interesting if they can determine his motive. Remember his advice. :-)
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Post by Annan on Jul 14, 2024 12:27:23 GMT -5
The shooter did not have a scope. That explains a lot.
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Post by matisse on Jul 14, 2024 13:07:59 GMT -5
The shooter reportedly was wearing the t shirt of an extreme right wing militia/2nd amendment group
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Post by Dan on Jul 14, 2024 14:25:19 GMT -5
The sniper was Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20 year old from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. He used an AR-15 and was an excellent shot. His mistake was not firing when Trump was stationary at the podium addressing the audience. Trump simultaneously turned his head as the trigger was pulled, otherwise the bullet would have hit him right between the eyes or through his right eye. I couldn't have made that shot from 120 yards, shooting slightly downhill with a light left to right breeze. Patience was the shooters only mistake, I think he was spotted, civilians had pointed him out, so Crook rushed the shot.
I'm sure the radical lefties are very disappointed today, all of their Hitler/Dictator rhetoric paid off as they succeeded in inspiring a crazed sociopath, but it only resulted in a right ear piercing and an innocent man being killed. Gotta wonder if the Oath Keepers or Proud Boys will retaliate. They should lay low as this assassination attempt will likely generate some sympathetic votes for Trump.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 14, 2024 14:28:53 GMT -5
The shooter did not have a scope. That explains a lot. He must have been a bit of an amateur. With such a large target, how could he possibly miss at 100 odd metres. Even in my open sight days from when I was his age, that would have been an easy shot.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 14, 2024 14:33:07 GMT -5
The sniper was Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20 year old from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. He used an AR-15 and was an excellent shot. His mistake was not firing when Trump was stationary at the podium addressing the audience. Trump simultaneously turned his head as the trigger was pulled, otherwise the bullet would have hit him right between the eyes or through his right eye. I couldn't have made that shot from 120 yards, shooting slightly downhill with a light left to right breeze. Patience was the shooters only mistake, I think he was spotted, civilians had pointed him out, so Crook rushed the shot.
I'm sure the radical lefties are very disappointed today, all of their Hitler/Dictator rhetoric paid off as they succeeded in inspiring a crazed sociopath, but it only resulted in a right ear piercing and an innocent man being killed. Gotta wonder if the Oath Keepers or Proud Boys will retaliate. They should lay low as this assassination attempt will likely generate some sympathetic votes for Trump.
I'm not disappointed. I'm not even shocked. After all, this happened in the USA where shootings occur every day for no good reason.
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Post by Dan on Jul 14, 2024 15:44:12 GMT -5
The shooter did not have a scope. That explains a lot. He must have been a bit of an amateur. With such a large target, how could he possibly miss at 100 odd metres. Even in my open sight days from when I was his age, that would have been an easy shot.
Now they are saying 150 meters... If the shooter would have aimed center mass instead of a head shot, he would have succeeded. In fact all 3 rounds would have likely been chest hits.
I have practiced shooting my AR-15 (no scope) from 100 meters at a 12" (30 cm)target. My best was 2 inches from the center of the target. So I think this kid wearing glasses was a good shot.
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Post by snow on Jul 14, 2024 15:53:59 GMT -5
What a mess. I am so upset that an attempt was made. Talk about handing Trump the election. I hope I'm wrong but historically it's brought up poll numbers. Reagan, Roosevalt, and even when someone in Iraq threw his shoes at Bush. Everyone is talking about how it's the harsh rhetoric and to bring the temperature down. No one is talking about who is the name caller and who pumps a fist saying 'fight'. That won't bring down the temperature, that's for sure. I am glad he survived and I'm so sad for those who have been injured and died. No one deserves to die for a political opinion/stance. What a mess.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 14, 2024 17:09:07 GMT -5
He must have been a bit of an amateur. With such a large target, how could he possibly miss at 100 odd metres. Even in my open sight days from when I was his age, that would have been an easy shot.
Now they are saying 150 meters... If the shooter would have aimed center mass instead of a head shot, he would have succeeded. In fact all 3 rounds would have likely been chest hits.
I have practiced shooting my AR-15 (no scope) from 100 meters at a 12" (30 cm)target. My best was 2 inches from the center of the target. So I think this kid wearing glasses was a good shot.
There should be an investigation into this attempted murder and why he missed. The USA prides itself on having the biggest and best of everything and then this two bit clown lets the side down with a half arsed assassination attempt. What's the place coming to when you can't even get a decent assassinator. Fortunately he wont be going out in the coming days to do better.
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Post by fixit on Jul 14, 2024 18:07:42 GMT -5
Now they are saying 150 meters... If the shooter would have aimed center mass instead of a head shot, he would have succeeded. In fact all 3 rounds would have likely been chest hits.
I have practiced shooting my AR-15 (no scope) from 100 meters at a 12" (30 cm)target. My best was 2 inches from the center of the target. So I think this kid wearing glasses was a good shot.
There should be an investigation into this attempted murder and why he missed. The USA prides itself on having the biggest and best of everything and then this two bit clown lets the side down with a half arsed assassination attempt. What's the place coming to when you can't even get a decent assassinator. Fortunately he wont be going out in the coming days to do better. It was a good shot until Trump turned his head to look at the immigration chart.
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Post by Dan on Jul 14, 2024 18:20:23 GMT -5
Now they are saying 150 meters... If the shooter would have aimed center mass instead of a head shot, he would have succeeded. In fact all 3 rounds would have likely been chest hits.
I have practiced shooting my AR-15 (no scope) from 100 meters at a 12" (30 cm)target. My best was 2 inches from the center of the target. So I think this kid wearing glasses was a good shot.
There should be an investigation into this attempted murder and why he missed. The USA prides itself on having the biggest and best of everything and then this two bit clown lets the side down with a half arsed assassination attempt. What's the place coming to when you can't even get a decent assassinator. Fortunately he wont be going out in the coming days to do better.
The investigation is pretty complete, Crooks was a 20 year old lone shooter who got the rifle from his father. They have a profile, but what motivated a nut like this will always be a mystery.
All of the charges, Russian collusion, impeachment attempts, law suits. violence, and now killers have emanated from the Democratic side of the isle. And yet they call Republicans radical?
The main investigation now turns on the Secret Service, to find out how Crooks got positioned where he was without them noticing him, the lapse in security.
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Post by Annan on Jul 14, 2024 18:44:27 GMT -5
Dan said: Patience was the shooters only mistake, I think he was spotted, civilians had pointed him out, so Crook rushed the shot.
I agree about patience. He was spotted according to witnesses.
Some idiot I know posted a photo-shopped picture on Facebook of a woman spitting on the deceased shooter. We had words. The shooters is someone's family. While there have been times when I have been glad a shooter was no longer sucking air when their victims were dead, they are still someone's family. But, no surprise to me, I'm the bad guy for taking the person to task over the photo.
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Post by xna on Jul 14, 2024 19:36:22 GMT -5
Big numbers
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Post by Dan on Jul 14, 2024 23:39:26 GMT -5
Big numbers
Makes me feel like a loser, my wealth didn't double in the last 10 years I suspect its mainly due to real estate, home owners have seen property values soar?
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Post by Annan on Jul 15, 2024 5:45:29 GMT -5
Big numbers Makes me feel like a loser, my wealth didn't double in the last 10 years I suspect its mainly due to real estate, home owners have seen property values soar?
What exactly is considered wealth? If I have a loan on my house and car loans and credit card balances, that is not money in my pocket. How do they figure wealth? Is it what I have in the bank? Is it equity in my house and vehicles? I don't understand this stuff.
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Post by xna on Jul 15, 2024 8:02:36 GMT -5
Big numbers
Makes me feel like a loser, my wealth didn't double in the last 10 years I suspect its mainly due to real estate, home owners have seen property values soar? I think you are right. Most household wealth is in their home.
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Post by xna on Jul 15, 2024 8:07:21 GMT -5
Makes me feel like a loser, my wealth didn't double in the last 10 years I suspect its mainly due to real estate, home owners have seen property values soar?
What exactly is considered wealth? If I have a loan on my house and car loans and credit card balances, that is not money in my pocket. How do they figure wealth? Is it what I have in the bank? Is it equity in my house and vehicles? I don't understand this stuff. Wealth is normally measured as net worth. Net worth is your assets minus your liabilities. The value of your house minus what you owe on the house is part of your net worth. The money you have in the bank is part of your net worth. The fare market value of your car minus what you still owe is part of your net worth. The treasures you have stored up in heaven are not part of your net worth. :-)
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Post by Annan on Jul 15, 2024 8:18:27 GMT -5
What exactly is considered wealth? If I have a loan on my house and car loans and credit card balances, that is not money in my pocket. How do they figure wealth? Is it what I have in the bank? Is it equity in my house and vehicles? I don't understand this stuff. Wealth is normally measured as net worth. Net worth is your assets minus your liabilities. The value of your house minus what you owe on the house is part of your net worth. The money you have in the bank is part of your net worth. The fare market value of your car minus what you still owe is part of your net worth. The treasures you have stored up in heaven are not part of your net worth. :-) Thank you! I have to say I am better off now than I was ten years ago. Not by much, though. My house value (according to which site you reference) has risen $135,000 since we bought it five years ago. (I live in an economically depressed area.) But, as my dad used to say, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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Post by xna on Jul 15, 2024 9:53:41 GMT -5
I saw this posted.
'Say what you will about the Dems that wanted Biden off the ticket ... at least they didn't try to kill him"
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Post by christiansburg on Jul 15, 2024 10:25:15 GMT -5
Trump wants to flood the country with guns. Who wouldda thunk he would be on the receiving end of one? What I don't understand is why there were shots fired before Trump was hit. I grew up with guns. If I nicked a target with the first shot, I sure as heck would hit my mark the second time. More needs to be learned about the shooter. More than likely it was a case of nerves. I'm waiting for Trump to compare himself with JFK. He is arrogant enough to do so. What I worry about now is a retaliatory assassination attempt against Biden. Trump's followers are insane enough to do so. And am I the only one who saw the Mein Kampf salute by Trump? I think you are filled with total nonsense. When will you return to sanity??
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Post by xna on Jul 15, 2024 13:16:17 GMT -5
From medium.com/Glass not a bullet hit Trump
The hypothesis that Trump was hit by glass, not a bullet, squelches conspiracy theories, rather than promotes them.
· Conspiracy theories suggest secret plots by powerful groups without evidence because of proportionality bias. The “glass hypothesis” does not.
· The “Glass Hypothesis” is not a conspiracy theory just because it contradicts initial reporting and personal accounts; neither are the “official explanation.”
· Confirmation bias leads people to favor information that supports their beliefs and dismiss contradictory evidence; consequently, both sides may reject the more plausible glass hypothesis.
· Mislabeling rational explanations as conspiracy theories fosters skepticism towards legitimate evidence, spreading misinformation and hindering rational discourse.
The recent assassination attempt on Donald Trump has reignited discussions about conspiracy theories and the psychology behind them. Reports indicate that a shooter fired at Trump from about 400 feet away with an AR-style weapon. Fortunately, the attempt failed. The press and Trump’s himself claimed that he was shot; a bullet pierced his right ear. One can understand why they initially thought this — there were shots, people killed, Trump was injured — but it has led to confusion and speculation because, while the video and photos clearly show blood around his ear, his ear remained completely intact — not even a hole. If a bullet from an “AR-style” weapon had made any contact at all, it would have caused a debilitating wound, likely tearing the ear off. Authorities, like the Pennsylvania police, are saying that Trump was hit by glass from a shattered teleprompter, rather than a bullet. This aligns much better with the facts, yet some are dismissing this as a conspiracy theory, simply because it contracts the “standard story.” This misunderstands what conspiracy theories are. To explain why, let’s delve into the psychology of conspiratorial thinking, and clarifies why the glass hypothesis is more plausible.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 15, 2024 15:18:34 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why there were shots fired before Trump was hit. I grew up with guns. If I nicked a target with the first shot, I sure as heck would hit my mark the second time. More needs to be learned about the shooter. More than likely it was a case of nerves. I'm waiting for Trump to compare himself with JFK. He is arrogant enough to do so. What I worry about now is a retaliatory assassination attempt against Biden. Trump's followers are insane enough to do so. And am I the only one who saw the Mein Kampf salute by Trump? I think you are filled with total nonsense. When will you return to sanity?? Why would a fine upstanding christian like yourself support an immoral person like trump?
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Post by christiansburg on Jul 15, 2024 16:43:16 GMT -5
I think you are filled with total nonsense. When will you return to sanity?? Why would a fine upstanding christian like yourself support an immoral person like trump? Immorality is not a consideration when it comes to a president. If that were so we would have had very few presidents. Question: How could anyone support Biden when he took showers with his daughter. She wrote this in her diary. I am sure people still wanted King David for their leader even after his adultery.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 15, 2024 16:52:29 GMT -5
Why would a fine upstanding christian like yourself support an immoral person like trump? Immorality is not a consideration when it comes to a president. If that were so we would have had very few presidents. Question: How could anyone support Biden when he took showers with his daughter. She wrote this in her diary. I am sure people still wanted King David for their leader even after his adultery. You have to be really mentally unwell to believe the disproven story about Biden and his daughter. Meanwhile, Trump is a convicted criminal. he doesn't pay his tradesmen. He bought underage girls off Epstein. He is a rapist. A fraudster, Ever heard of the failed Trump university or Trump airlines. And so on. I can see why you are going into bat for him. Birds of a feather flock together.
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Post by christiansburg on Jul 15, 2024 16:54:03 GMT -5
Immorality is not a consideration when it comes to a president. If that were so we would have had very few presidents. Question: How could anyone support Biden when he took showers with his daughter. She wrote this in her diary. I am sure people still wanted King David for their leader even after his adultery. You have to be really mentally unwell to believe the disproven story about Biden and his daughter. Meanwhile, Trump is a convicted criminal. he doesn't pay his tradesmen. He bought underage girls off Epstein. He is a rapist. A fraudster, Ever heard of the failed Trump university or Trump airlines. And so on. I can see why you are going into bat for him. Birds of a feather flock together. Sorry but I can"t cure your blindness.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 15, 2024 17:00:12 GMT -5
You have to be really mentally unwell to believe the disproven story about Biden and his daughter. Meanwhile, Trump is a convicted criminal. he doesn't pay his tradesmen. He bought underage girls off Epstein. He is a rapist. A fraudster, Ever heard of the failed Trump university or Trump airlines. And so on. I can see why you are going into bat for him. Birds of a feather flock together. Sorry but I can"t cure your blindness. There is nothing christlike about the Republican party. It is evil to its core. Check out the crimes of Nixon, burglary and also prior to being president commun icating with a foreign power. Reagan, selling military stuff to Iran. I can see why you think they are the party for you.
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Post by fixit on Jul 15, 2024 20:11:40 GMT -5
Question: How could anyone support Biden when he took showers with his daughter. She wrote this in her diary. How low can you get in your desperation to discredit your president?
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