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Post by fixit on Jul 3, 2024 23:10:33 GMT -5
What is Jesus promoting in the following? Matthew 19:20 The young man said to him, “I have kept all these; what do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this word, he went away grieving, for he had many possessions. Jesus was laying out what was required to be his disciple, qualifying for his ministry required compliance, and surrendering your possessions allowed a person to give 100%. The Parable of the Talents was different in that it was illustrating "To whom much is given, from him much will be required" (Luke 12:48). Blessings are given for a purpose. jmo
So what was Jesus promoting?
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Post by Dan on Jul 4, 2024 0:30:04 GMT -5
Jesus was laying out what was required to be his disciple, qualifying for his ministry required compliance, and surrendering your possessions allowed a person to give 100%. The Parable of the Talents was different in that it was illustrating "To whom much is given, from him much will be required" (Luke 12:48). Blessings are given for a purpose. jmo
So what was Jesus promoting?
To me, Jesus was speaking spiritually. If your given the gift of healing but heal no one, it makes your gift void of purpose. Its like having a testimony but remaining silent. He took the talent from the one who buried it and gave it to the one who put his talents to productive use. If we have abilities (blessings), but refuse to implement those attributes, we aren't a useful vessel that God can use. i.e; If a person has a compassionate heart but ignores his natural tendency "To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction" (James 1:27), then your unrealized compassion is rendered useless. As opposed to "Jesus, moved with compassion, healed" (Luke 7:13, Mark 6:34, Matthew 9:36, Matthew 15:32). My 'promoting' capitalism was tongue & cheek, but investing what you've been given was comparable. Money under your mattress does little good.
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Post by snow on Jul 7, 2024 14:01:02 GMT -5
SNOW SAID: Actually we do pay for our 'free' medical through sales taxes and provincial taxes, we just don't pay when we have to access these services. Some of the best countries on earth to live are those countries that do take care of their citizens. The US is one of the worst in that regard. It's fine as long as you can afford to go to the dentist and pay, but those who can't afford it just can't get the work done. That isn't a good thing for a large part of your population.Those on state funded medical care (welfare/low income) are restricted to what doctors accept their medical insurance due to lower payments to the doctor. A lot of specialists won't take state funded insurance. Only one dentist in town takes state funded insurance. I am retired and on medicare. It is a hard road to go to find a doctor or dentist that accepts medicare insurance. I had to switch doctors when I retired because my doctor wouldn't accept medicare. A lot of doctors aren't accepting new patients due to a shortage of doctors. The hubby's cousin started making poor decisions and not showing up for work which led to him being fired and losing his medical insurance. When he finally collapsed and ended up in the hospital, they found a brain tumor. His father had to sign away his house and savings to pay for his son's surgery. The father was left homeless. If the father had not paid for the surgery, the son would have died. No one should have to die because they can't afford medical insurance. And what bugs me is that if a woman is on welfare (state funded assistance/food/cash/medical) it is because she has children to support. A low-income woman or man with no children have no options. State funded medical will not pay for birth control but will pay support for the child till the age of 18. Go figure. Healthcare in the USA sucks. No one should have to die or become bankrupt because they can't afford or aren't eligible for medical insurance. Allow me complain a bit. What bugs me is that I paid for healthcare premiums for years. I paid on average $12,000 a year for medical insurance. When I saw a doctor, the insurance paid $200 a visit. Yet state funded insurance pays the doctor $50 a visit. Should not all visits to the doctor be the same? I don't get it. I find that all just appalling, truly. I really am having a hard time even comprehending just how horrible it is for people in the US when they have to pay high insurance rates to get decent healthcare. I've heard about people losing everything to pay for a medical emergency. I was shocked to hear how much couples have to pay just to have a baby! To be able to go to the doctor, emerg etc. in Canada and know that I will have the same care as everyone else and not get charged extra is something I am so incredibly grateful for. We can take care of illnesses when they begin because we can afford to have them addressed early instead of when it's going to either cost us our lives or everything we own, and sometimes both. I don't know how people can live with that in the US. www.forbes.com/advisor/health-insurance/average-childbirth-cost/#:~:text=Giving%20birth%20costs%20%2418%2C865%20on,(KFF)%20Health%20System%20Tracker.
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Post by snow on Jul 7, 2024 14:05:05 GMT -5
Actually we do pay for our 'free' medical through sales taxes and provincial taxes, we just don't pay when we have to access these services. Some of the best countries on earth to live are those countries that do take care of their citizens. The US is one of the worst in that regard. It's fine as long as you can afford to go to the dentist and pay, but those who can't afford it just can't get the work done. That isn't a good thing for a large part of your population. It all depends on what kind of society you want to live in -- one where everyone is healthy and productive, or one where half the population is incapable of high productive earning quality for the betterment of the economy. No wonder so many kids are educationally handicapped, much of it is because the mother had poor or no prenatal care. Investment into our children just makes economic sense. I thought this interaction between Katie Porter and a right wing that doesn't think universal childcare is a good investment was interesting.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 7, 2024 15:16:40 GMT -5
The USA healthcare is not health care. It is a rort by insurance companies ably assisted by the GOP. The rest of the western world look on and laugh.
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Post by snow on Jul 7, 2024 15:53:24 GMT -5
The USA healthcare is not health care. It is a rort by insurance companies ably assisted by the GOP. The rest of the western world look on and laugh. Or cry. So many Americans suffer because of the healthcare policy in the US. Especially when other countries show that it can work. But the Republicans hate helping anyone because it might mean less money for them in the short term. What they don't seem to understand is that putting funding into programs that help all Americans stay in the workforce because they are healthier, would bring in more money in taxes for the economy. Also, pregnant mothers getting healthcare and even the right diet would contribute to healthier births. Nutrition is well known to be the ingredient required for good brain development but they would rather take away hot lunch programs and healthcare for children and pregnant moms.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 7, 2024 16:09:30 GMT -5
The USA healthcare is not health care. It is a rort by insurance companies ably assisted by the GOP. The rest of the western world look on and laugh. Or cry. So many Americans suffer because of the healthcare policy in the US. Especially when other countries show that it can work. But the Republicans hate helping anyone because it might mean less money for them in the short term. What they don't seem to understand is that putting funding into programs that help all Americans stay in the workforce because they are healthier, would bring in more money in taxes for the economy. Also, pregnant mothers getting healthcare and even the right diet would contribute to healthier births. Nutrition is well known to be the ingredient required for good brain development but they would rather take away hot lunch programs and healthcare for children and pregnant moms. Spot on. I should have added cry.
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Post by Dan on Jul 7, 2024 21:48:30 GMT -5
The USA healthcare is not health care. It is a rort by insurance companies ably assisted by the GOP. The rest of the western world look on and laugh. Or cry. So many Americans suffer because of the healthcare policy in the US. Especially when other countries show that it can work. But the Republicans hate helping anyone because it might mean less money for them in the short term. What they don't seem to understand is that putting funding into programs that help all Americans stay in the workforce because they are healthier, would bring in more money in taxes for the economy. Also, pregnant mothers getting healthcare and even the right diet would contribute to healthier births. Nutrition is well known to be the ingredient required for good brain development but they would rather take away hot lunch programs and healthcare for children and pregnant moms.
The U.S spends $829 Billion annually on Medicare and $513 billion on Medicaid. That's a total of $1.35 trillion annually, no other country spends more .. Canada spends $331 billion annually on healthcare, Australia spends $242 billion.
No one is denied healthcare in the U.S, even foreigners cannot be turned away from public hospitals. That's one reason so many illegals yearn to be here, among other freebies
The only difference is how governments finance healthcare, none of them pay for anything that they don't take from their citizens. One way or another, We the People pay the freight.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 7, 2024 22:19:25 GMT -5
Or cry. So many Americans suffer because of the healthcare policy in the US. Especially when other countries show that it can work. But the Republicans hate helping anyone because it might mean less money for them in the short term. What they don't seem to understand is that putting funding into programs that help all Americans stay in the workforce because they are healthier, would bring in more money in taxes for the economy. Also, pregnant mothers getting healthcare and even the right diet would contribute to healthier births. Nutrition is well known to be the ingredient required for good brain development but they would rather take away hot lunch programs and healthcare for children and pregnant moms. The U.S spends $829 Billion annually on Medicare and $513 billion on Medicaid. That's a total of $1.35 trillion annually, no other country spends more .. Canada spends $331 billion annually on healthcare, Australia spends $242 billion.
All that means is that the US is spending far too much for what they're getting. And ALL Canadians get it, not just the medicare and medicade types. Canadians and Australians are getting what they want for a lot less than it costs in the USA -- that's why people (including medical workers) frequently go to Canada for treatment instead of in the US. That's a lie. [/div][/quote] Of course you pay -- except that in the USA 60% of the "cost" goes for complicated delivery mechanisms and shareholder profits.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 7, 2024 23:17:32 GMT -5
Or cry. So many Americans suffer because of the healthcare policy in the US. Especially when other countries show that it can work. But the Republicans hate helping anyone because it might mean less money for them in the short term. What they don't seem to understand is that putting funding into programs that help all Americans stay in the workforce because they are healthier, would bring in more money in taxes for the economy. Also, pregnant mothers getting healthcare and even the right diet would contribute to healthier births. Nutrition is well known to be the ingredient required for good brain development but they would rather take away hot lunch programs and healthcare for children and pregnant moms.
The U.S spends $829 Billion annually on Medicare and $513 billion on Medicaid. That's a total of $1.35 trillion annually, no other country spends more .. Canada spends $331 billion annually on healthcare, Australia spends $242 billion.
No one is denied healthcare in the U.S, even foreigners cannot be turned away from public hospitals. That's one reason so many illegals yearn to be here, among other freebies
The only difference is how governments finance healthcare, none of them pay for anything that they don't take from their citizens. One way or another, We the People pay the freight.
The USA has some of the most expensive healthcare in the world. The extortionate cost goes to the insurance executives who don't care one little bit about you.
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Post by Annan on Jul 8, 2024 6:05:34 GMT -5
There are signs in every ER I've ever been in that say if you have no insurance you are entitled to be 'stabilized' and transported elsewhere. I'd sure like to know where elsewhere is.
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2024 11:34:29 GMT -5
No one is denied healthcare in the U.S, even foreigners cannot be turned away from public hospitals. That's one reason so many illegals yearn to be here, among other freebies That's a lie.
"While federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid, a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor pays about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants. Most of it goes to reimburse hospitals for delivering babies for women who show up in their emergency rooms... Nearly one-third of Bethesda Hospital East’s 2,900 births each year are paid for by Emergency Medicaid, the category that covers mainly illegal immigrants." www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment
Public hospitals do not generally turn away emergencies, emergency Medicaid will pay.
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2024 11:44:27 GMT -5
The U.S spends $829 Billion annually on Medicare and $513 billion on Medicaid. That's a total of $1.35 trillion annually, no other country spends more .. Canada spends $331 billion annually on healthcare, Australia spends $242 billion.
No one is denied healthcare in the U.S, even foreigners cannot be turned away from public hospitals. That's one reason so many illegals yearn to be here, among other freebies
The only difference is how governments finance healthcare, none of them pay for anything that they don't take from their citizens. One way or another, We the People pay the freight.
The USA has some of the most expensive healthcare in the world. The extortionate cost goes to the insurance executives who don't care one little bit about you.
The expense is because big pharma spends an exorbitant amount of money on research.. "Over the past half century, the United States has been the birthplace of the majority of the world’s biomedical innovations".
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Post by snow on Jul 8, 2024 13:58:30 GMT -5
Or cry. So many Americans suffer because of the healthcare policy in the US. Especially when other countries show that it can work. But the Republicans hate helping anyone because it might mean less money for them in the short term. What they don't seem to understand is that putting funding into programs that help all Americans stay in the workforce because they are healthier, would bring in more money in taxes for the economy. Also, pregnant mothers getting healthcare and even the right diet would contribute to healthier births. Nutrition is well known to be the ingredient required for good brain development but they would rather take away hot lunch programs and healthcare for children and pregnant moms. The U.S spends $829 Billion annually on Medicare and $513 billion on Medicaid. That's a total of $1.35 trillion annually, no other country spends more .. Canada spends $331 billion annually on healthcare, Australia spends $242 billion.
No one is denied healthcare in the U.S, even foreigners cannot be turned away from public hospitals. That's one reason so many illegals yearn to be here, among other freebies
The only difference is how governments finance healthcare, none of them pay for anything that they don't take from their citizens. One way or another, We the People pay the freight.
Of course we pay in some way. Sounds like we spend less to get universal healthcare, that is denied to nobody than the US that costs the consumer more over and above what the government pays. Doesn't sound like a better system to me. I don't have added fees when I turn up in emerg. Yes I pay sales taxes, federal income tax, and provincial income tax, and that's how our healthcare is funded. But when I get sick I can access a doctor or emergency care without having to worry about deductables, or added fees for special treatment. I don't believe that people are never denied care in the states. I know there was an act put in place in 1986 that said all patients attending a public hospital that allows Medicare must assess and stabilize a patient. Here is a link to what happens if you have no insurance. Medicare/aide only pays 80% so anyone that comes in and gets care still owes 20% of their bill and if they don't have insurance they have to pay out of pocket. If they can't because even 20% can add up depending on what was done, then they will have their debt sent to a collection agency. In order to provide for the emergency care, hospitals raise their prices so in the end those who do have insurance have to pay more for their insurance to offset the costs of those who can't pay. So when a person comes in, gets help, 80% is paid for but 20% is on the patient. Say the procedure was 100,000.00, 20,000 is still a huge bill for a person to pay and I would guess if they can't afford insurance they can't afford that kind of a bill. So then the hospital has to eat the 20,000 and the patient has their credit ratings killed when their debt goes to a collection agency. Not ideal I would say. www.debt.org/medical/emergency-room-urgent-care-costs/#:~:text=Going%20to%20the%20Hospital%20without,you%20can%20pay%20or%20not.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 8, 2024 15:29:38 GMT -5
The USA has some of the most expensive healthcare in the world. The extortionate cost goes to the insurance executives who don't care one little bit about you.
The expense is because big pharma spends an exorbitant amount of money on research.. "Over the past half century, the United States has been the birthplace of the majority of the world’s biomedical innovations".
That is a ludicrous argument as every other country buys drugs from the big pharma companies yet they do not have the same extortionate health costs that the USA does. Those extortionate costs can be laid squarely at the feet of the very profitable insurance companies who are more interested in creating dividends than your health.
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Post by Dan on Jul 9, 2024 0:54:05 GMT -5
The expense is because big pharma spends an exorbitant amount of money on research.. "Over the past half century, the United States has been the birthplace of the majority of the world’s biomedical innovations".
That is a ludicrous argument as every other country buys drugs from the big pharma companies yet they do not have the same extortionate health costs that the USA does. Those extortionate costs can be laid squarely at the feet of the very profitable insurance companies who are more interested in creating dividends than your health.
I'm on Medicare now, its free... Prior to that, I paid $2240 a year for hospital insurance, a $250,000 policy from Aetna with no deductions or out of pocket expense. I don't believe insurance companies drive up healthcare cost, its the government that does that.. Just like college tuitions, it was a lot cheaper prior to government financing loans. Government does nothing cheaper or more efficient than private industries/businesses.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 9, 2024 1:11:01 GMT -5
That is a ludicrous argument as every other country buys drugs from the big pharma companies yet they do not have the same extortionate health costs that the USA does. Those extortionate costs can be laid squarely at the feet of the very profitable insurance companies who are more interested in creating dividends than your health.
I'm on Medicare now, its free... Prior to that, I paid $2240 a year for hospital insurance, a $250,000 policy from Aetna with no deductions or out of pocket expense. I don't believe insurance companies drive up healthcare cost, its the government that does that.. Just like college tuitions, it was a lot cheaper prior to government financing loans. Government does nothing cheaper or more efficient than private industries/businesses.
That's classic Reaganomics wishful thinking.
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Post by Annan on Jul 9, 2024 6:57:10 GMT -5
The U.S spends $829 Billion annually on Medicare and $513 billion on Medicaid. That's a total of $1.35 trillion annually, no other country spends more .. Canada spends $331 billion annually on healthcare, Australia spends $242 billion.
No one is denied healthcare in the U.S, even foreigners cannot be turned away from public hospitals. That's one reason so many illegals yearn to be here, among other freebies
The only difference is how governments finance healthcare, none of them pay for anything that they don't take from their citizens. One way or another, We the People pay the freight.
Of course we pay in some way. Sounds like we spend less to get universal healthcare, that is denied to nobody than the US that costs the consumer more over and above what the government pays. Doesn't sound like a better system to me. I don't have added fees when I turn up in emerg. Yes I pay sales taxes, federal income tax, and provincial income tax, and that's how our healthcare is funded. But when I get sick I can access a doctor or emergency care without having to worry about deductables, or added fees for special treatment. I don't believe that people are never denied care in the states. I know there was an act put in place in 1986 that said all patients attending a public hospital that allows Medicare must assess and stabilize a patient. Here is a link to what happens if you have no insurance. Medicare/aide only pays 80% so anyone that comes in and gets care still owes 20% of their bill and if they don't have insurance they have to pay out of pocket. If they can't because even 20% can add up depending on what was done, then they will have their debt sent to a collection agency. In order to provide for the emergency care, hospitals raise their prices so in the end those who do have insurance have to pay more for their insurance to offset the costs of those who can't pay. So when a person comes in, gets help, 80% is paid for but 20% is on the patient. Say the procedure was 100,000.00, 20,000 is still a huge bill for a person to pay and I would guess if they can't afford insurance they can't afford that kind of a bill. So then the hospital has to eat the 20,000 and the patient has their credit ratings killed when their debt goes to a collection agency. Not ideal I would say. www.debt.org/medical/emergency-room-urgent-care-costs/#:~:text=Going%20to%20the%20Hospital%20without,you%20can%20pay%20or%20not. I have a friend who works for a major medical insurance company. Insurance companies have contracts with the hospitals/doctors on how much they will pay for procedures. If, for example, my care is $10,000, the insurance could end up paying $1,000 while my share is $2,000. With me being the one paying the insurance costs, I am paying a heck more than the insurance company! I had to go to the ER recently by ambulance. My in network service was unavailable, so they had to bring in an outside of my network ambulance. Yes, ambulance companies are under contract to medical insurance providers too. I have to pay the freight for transport even though I had no choice of services.
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Post by fixit on Jul 9, 2024 14:49:07 GMT -5
If you want to add a few years to your life, move to Canada.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 9, 2024 15:04:22 GMT -5
If you want to add a few years to your life, move to Canada. If some particular groups of people moved to Canada it would lower their average life expectancy. The home schooled flag waving maga hat wearing science deniers would absolutely kill Canada's good average.
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Post by Dan on Jul 9, 2024 15:27:10 GMT -5
I'm on Medicare now, its free... Prior to that, I paid $2240 a year for hospital insurance, a $250,000 policy from Aetna with no deductions or out of pocket expense. I don't believe insurance companies drive up healthcare cost, its the government that does that.. Just like college tuitions, it was a lot cheaper prior to government financing loans. Government does nothing cheaper or more efficient than private industries/businesses.
That's classic Reaganomics wishful thinking.
Name one thing that government can do cheaper than private industry? Name one thing the government is more efficient at than private enterprise? Its not wishful thinking, its a fact that government operates much slower and is much more expensive. Our government just left 30 billion dollars worth of equipment behind in Afghanistan, and now the Pentagon is asking for more money from a country that's $36 trillion in debt. Prices soar whenever government gets involved and interferes with businesses or services.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 10, 2024 0:53:56 GMT -5
There are signs in every ER I've ever been in that say if you have no insurance you are entitled to be 'stabilized' and transported elsewhere. I'd sure like to know where elsewhere is. Exactly. Dan must be like me -- buried in insurance plans so I can get what I need after I've reached the $2000 annual limit for out of pocket medications. It's a fraudulent system too -- they should be ashamed of it. I have regular doctor appointments at least once a month, and the cost is normally about $300 per visit. But I have insurance, and the provider has a deal to let the insurance company pay between 25% and 33% of the cost. If I didn't have the insurance I could be sued for not paying the $300. Since Biden's been president my co-pays now are limited to $2000 a year. Prior to that my co-pays came to as much as $10,000 a year. And none of my health care providers are going bankrupt -- except maybe some poorly paid paper pushers in the system.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 10, 2024 1:02:25 GMT -5
"While federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid, a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor pays about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants. Most of it goes to reimburse hospitals for delivering babies for women who show up in their emergency rooms... Nearly one-third of Bethesda Hospital East’s 2,900 births each year are paid for by Emergency Medicaid, the category that covers mainly illegal immigrants." www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatmentPublic hospitals do not generally turn away emergencies, emergency Medicaid will pay.
You're obviously of the naive opinion that immigrants have no other medical needs but those. You negative attitude about sounds like you don't mind immigrants giving birth to American citizens "on the street". It might be good for you to visit one of the clinics that immigrant groups have established where they can go to get medical help that is not available to them in the regular American health system. Hang out there for a while and you'd have a really good education on what they're not getting on your dollar.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 13, 2024 21:43:20 GMT -5
Ammunition is now available at vending machines in grocery stores in Alabama, Oklahoma, and Texas. Coming soon to Colorado
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 13, 2024 22:05:07 GMT -5
Ammunition is now available at vending machines in grocery stores in Alabama, Oklahoma, and Texas. Coming soon to Colorado It seems to be readily available in Pennsylvania as well. I have been wondering who shot Trump and there's several choices. A woman he raped years ago. An underage girl he bought off Epstein. The plumber he didn't pay. The builder he didn't pay. The guy that supplied the teleprompter.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 13, 2024 22:39:09 GMT -5
Ammunition is now available at vending machines in grocery stores in Alabama, Oklahoma, and Texas. Coming soon to Colorado It seems to be readily available in Pennsylvania as well. I have been wondering who shot Trump and there's several choices. A woman he raped years ago. An underage girl he bought off Epstein. The plumber he didn't pay. The builder he didn't pay. The guy that supplied the teleprompter. If Jesus' advice counts: Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." Matthew 26:52 Unfortunately the poor man has drawn his sword several times. But then, this is common in the US politics.
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Post by fixit on Jul 13, 2024 23:06:52 GMT -5
Trump wants to flood the country with guns.
Who wouldda thunk he would be on the receiving end of one?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 13, 2024 23:30:03 GMT -5
Trump wants to flood the country with guns. Who wouldda thunk he would be on the receiving end of one? Perhaps it was a pist off melania that hired a hit man.
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