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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 10, 2023 0:46:33 GMT -5
It's not about pushing their religion on others but about their attitude of superiority. That is what has got them in hot water. I have personally seen this twice here in NZ from young israelis. The Jews in Germany refused to fight in WWI claiming it wasn't their country. They bought up land and businesses that the German people were selling to support their country. Think about it. Not you, Curly.  There are many twists to the jews story. In many ways they are very similar to the Pilgrim fathers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 2:35:45 GMT -5
www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/09/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine/I posted about ceasefires not selling rockets, and then read the above article. 100+million in tank sales to Israel right after we veto the resolution 😂🤣😅 😐😶 First Ukraine, and now Israel. I think we can call it "diversified investment in death". As a side, at least 9 Americans are still being held hostage in Gaza. As well as over 100 Americans in Gaza who are of Palestinian descent. We can see where the priorities of our State Department (who bypassed congress to sell Israel weapons) are.
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Post by rk0atheist on Dec 10, 2023 2:44:55 GMT -5
Israel and Ukraine are different situations. Helping Ukraine is an investment in life. Helping Ukraine is an investment in democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 3:00:59 GMT -5
Israel and Ukraine are different situations. Helping Ukraine is an investment in life. Helping Ukraine is an investment in democracy.
I guess whether buying ecstasy is an investment in a good time or a step towards rock bottom is a matter of perspective. |
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Post by rk0atheist on Dec 10, 2023 3:34:09 GMT -5
Israel and Ukraine are different situations. Helping Ukraine is an investment in life. Helping Ukraine is an investment in democracy.
I guess whether buying ecstasy is an investment in a good time or a step towards rock bottom is a matter of perspective.
I don't see anyone having a good time. With Ukraine there is a clear Good Guy and a clear Bad Guy. With Israel and Gaza there are two parties that have both done horrible things and both have caused a lot of suffering by innocents.
With Ukraine there is a clear path to victory; defeat Putin.
With Israel/Gaza I don't think there is any path to victory.
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Post by rk0atheist on Dec 10, 2023 4:09:21 GMT -5
What is it going to take to reach peace in the Middle East? It's going to take the world weaning itself from petroleum and paying money to rich dictators. But we may just be swapping a petroleum problem for a lithium problem.
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Post by rk0atheist on Dec 10, 2023 7:21:46 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuVGBsZTxiE
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Hodges: 'The Hamas attack on Israel did in one day what Putin could not do for two years'
Dec 8, 2023
Almost two years after Russia's attack on Ukraine, winter is once again worsening conditions for civilians and for soldiers. Hopes of a successful counteroffensive have been dashed. Instead, Ukraine is facing renewed pressure on the battlefield - while Kyiv's allies have scaled back pledges of new aid.
We talk to Ben Hodges, former Commanding General of the US Army in Europe, about what Ukraine can still expect from the West.
the Hamas attack on Israel did in one day what Putin could not do for two years and that's to make the West forget about Ukraine. I don't believe this attack was a coincidence. I think Iran and Russia, clearly they're strong allies they're the only real ally that each one has, and so it's not a surprise that this attack happened when it did and that Russia is benefiting from it so much and of course the fact that the support for Ukraine seems to be weakening, even in my country in the United States, that there is disagreement about the support it's getting tangled up in domestic politics, this is a gift to the Kremlin and it reinforces to them that all they have to do is just keep hanging in there until the West runs out of will
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Post by xna on Dec 10, 2023 8:57:22 GMT -5
Going around Congress, the Biden administration said Saturday it has approved the emergency sale to Israel of nearly 14,000 rounds of tank ammunition worth more than $106 million as Israel intensifies its military operations in the southern Gaza Strip.
To say it was an "Israeli purchase" is misleading as this $106,000,000 "Israeli purchase" comes from the money the USA gives Israel. This arrangement helps; Israel and US defense contractors.ref: Today, as we enter the new fiscal year, the ten-year period of the $38 billion Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by the United States and Israel in 2016 begins. Under the terms of the MOU, the United States will set funding for Israel at levels of $3.3 billion in Foreign Military Financing and $500 million for cooperative programs for missile defense over each of the next ten years, a significant increase enabling Israel to acquire additional advanced military capabilities from the United States that will, over time, enhance Israel’s security and strengthen our bilateral relationship.
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2023 15:22:43 GMT -5
Interesting. I don't think Putin cares one way or the other if Israel has a large number of Russian and non Jewish Russians. All he cares about is being the opposition to any country that the US decides to back. |
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2023 15:25:02 GMT -5
I think that's a given. But Putin and Israel were becoming good buddies when Israel wouldn't condemn the Ukraine war. But you're right, Putin won't support Israel because the US does. It's likely that simple. And, that's what the Jewish Underground were counting on when they tried to blow up the Dome of the Rock. If Putin sees a way to cause more problems, he will. And, Israel and Hamas just gave him a perfect opening to cause more trouble globally imo Putin has a little problem, though, when it comes to siding against Israel. There are 1 million Israelis who speak Russian as a first language, and hardly any Palestinians who do. It doesn't convince Russian Ukrainians that his war against them was for the sake of their ethnicity. He doesn't care about Russians in other countries. Hell, he hardly cares about Russians in Russia. Putin wants what Putin wants that he thinks will make him successful and he'll do it at any cost to Russians to get his way. If it opposes the US then that's all he cares about imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 15:27:27 GMT -5
I guess whether buying ecstasy is an investment in a good time or a step towards rock bottom is a matter of perspective.
I don't see anyone having a good time. With Ukraine there is a clear Good Guy and a clear Bad Guy. With Israel and Gaza there are two parties that have both done horrible things and both have caused a lot of suffering by innocents.
With Ukraine there is a clear path to victory; defeat Putin.
With Israel/Gaza I don't think there is any path to victory.
I agree with you generally. I give Russia about 80% of the "bad guy" points. Ukraine had a Nazi problem and was the most corrupt country in Europe, and with their history I don't see them a shining beacon of democracy that we've been told. However, there's no doubt they get are, in balance, better than Russia. It's interesting. The international community was fairly united (with a few exceptions) against Russia. The US was happy to leverage that. The international community is fairly united currently about Israel's treatment of Gazan civilians. There is little to no effort to minimize innocent deaths. Even Western reporters are starting to object, as family members of their staff members are annihilated. This interaction between Jake Tapper and an IDF spokesman comes after a CNN staff member lost 9 family members to Israeli strikes. It is very telling. youtu.be/eti3jUhRBQI?si=mrDGjaUgNXIWZ5FSThe US government however rejects a ceasefire. Whether international consensus is for our against the US, the US will do what it does best: sell weapons. |
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2023 15:35:46 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuVGBsZTxiE
DW News
Hodges: 'The Hamas attack on Israel did in one day what Putin could not do for two years'
Dec 8, 2023
Almost two years after Russia's attack on Ukraine, winter is once again worsening conditions for civilians and for soldiers. Hopes of a successful counteroffensive have been dashed. Instead, Ukraine is facing renewed pressure on the battlefield - while Kyiv's allies have scaled back pledges of new aid.
We talk to Ben Hodges, former Commanding General of the US Army in Europe, about what Ukraine can still expect from the West.
the Hamas attack on Israel did in one day what Putin could not do for two years and that's to make the West forget about Ukraine. I don't believe this attack was a coincidence. I think Iran and Russia, clearly they're strong allies they're the only real ally that each one has, and so it's not a surprise that this attack happened when it did and that Russia is benefiting from it so much and of course the fact that the support for Ukraine seems to be weakening, even in my country in the United States, that there is disagreement about the support it's getting tangled up in domestic politics, this is a gift to the Kremlin and it reinforces to them that all they have to do is just keep hanging in there until the West runs out of will When the frontal attack isn't working, go in the back door? I can see how that could work in Russia's favor. And, it also explains how Putin is willing to end his new found 'buddyship' with Netanyahu if it means spreading the US resources and attention thinner. |
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2023 15:39:08 GMT -5
I don't see anyone having a good time. With Ukraine there is a clear Good Guy and a clear Bad Guy. With Israel and Gaza there are two parties that have both done horrible things and both have caused a lot of suffering by innocents.
With Ukraine there is a clear path to victory; defeat Putin.
With Israel/Gaza I don't think there is any path to victory.
I agree with you generally. I give Russia about 80% of the "bad guy" points. Ukraine had a Nazi problem and was the most corrupt country in Europe, and with their history I don't see them a shining beacon of democracy that we've been told. However, there's no doubt they get are, in balance, better than Russia. It's interesting. The international community was fairly united (with a few exceptions) against Russia. The US was happy to leverage that. The international community is fairly united currently about Israel's treatment of Gazan civilians. There is little to no effort to minimize innocent deaths. Even Western reporters are starting to object, as family members of their staff members are annihilated. This interaction between Jake Tapper and an IDF spokesman comes after a CNN staff member lost 9 family members to Israeli strikes. It is very telling. youtu.be/eti3jUhRBQI?si=mrDGjaUgNXIWZ5FSThe US government however rejects a ceasefire. Whether international consensus is for our against the US, the US will do what it does best: sell weapons. You might be interested in reading a book called 'The confessions of an economic hitman' by John Perkins www.amazon.ca/s?k=confessions+of+an+economic+hitman&i=stripbooks&hvadid=599429854043&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001346&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4581780267830582190&hvtargid=kwd-295426377502&hydadcr=16989_13463059&tag=googcana-20&ref=pd_sl_3auy1kst3u_e |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 22:47:30 GMT -5
I agree with you generally. I give Russia about 80% of the "bad guy" points. Ukraine had a Nazi problem and was the most corrupt country in Europe, and with their history I don't see them a shining beacon of democracy that we've been told. However, there's no doubt they get are, in balance, better than Russia. It's interesting. The international community was fairly united (with a few exceptions) against Russia. The US was happy to leverage that. The international community is fairly united currently about Israel's treatment of Gazan civilians. There is little to no effort to minimize innocent deaths. Even Western reporters are starting to object, as family members of their staff members are annihilated. This interaction between Jake Tapper and an IDF spokesman comes after a CNN staff member lost 9 family members to Israeli strikes. It is very telling. youtu.be/eti3jUhRBQI?si=mrDGjaUgNXIWZ5FSThe US government however rejects a ceasefire. Whether international consensus is for our against the US, the US will do what it does best: sell weapons. You might be interested in reading a book called 'The confessions of an economic hitman' by John Perkins www.amazon.ca/s?k=confessions+of+an+economic+hitman&i=stripbooks&hvadid=599429854043&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9001346&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4581780267830582190&hvtargid=kwd-295426377502&hydadcr=16989_13463059&tag=googcana-20&ref=pd_sl_3auy1kst3u_e This looks like a great read... |
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Post by snow on Dec 11, 2023 14:13:21 GMT -5
This looks like a great read... It's an eye opener that's for sure. I read it a long time ago. |
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Post by xna on Dec 12, 2023 21:38:28 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on Dec 12, 2023 23:00:04 GMT -5
If the 1200 Israelis killed on Oct 7th were included, the ratio would be under 15 to 1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 1:38:05 GMT -5
Life about choices and consequences be careful how you choose it could affect more than just you... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 1:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Dec 13, 2023 2:49:39 GMT -5
If the 1200 Israelis killed on Oct 7th were included, the ratio would be under 15 to 1.
True, but that count needs a different name instead of the “Gaza invasion” ratio. Total event count, both before and after the Gaza invasion = 2024 Gaza Conflict Death Ratio? I should have been more precise |
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Post by xna on Dec 13, 2023 3:03:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 10:22:33 GMT -5
Before the 1st Gulf war, that is the way you break the resolve of the enemy, crush the entire nation and its infrastructure along with military assets... |
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Post by xna on Dec 22, 2023 10:46:40 GMT -5
Before the 1st Gulf war, that is the way you break the resolve of the enemy, crush the entire nation and its infrastructure along with military assets... The difference here is the "enemy" is also largely outside of Gaza. |
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Post by xna on Dec 30, 2023 12:53:37 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on Dec 30, 2023 13:59:05 GMT -5
2.1 million Palestinians live in Gaza, so killing 21,672 of them hardly constitutes genocide, that's only 1.25% of the population. S. Africa won't accept Palestinian refugee's either, so refusing to provide safe harbor reflects a true lack of concern for anyone stuck in Gaza.
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