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Post by kenco69 on Jun 26, 2023 17:02:18 GMT -5
I notice that a male senior worker that was list for a field in England has now had his name removed from the list I am told he is not in attendance at Irish conventions which are on at present because he was sent home I don't know why he was sent home
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Post by snow on Jun 26, 2023 17:23:25 GMT -5
I notice that a male senior worker that was list for a field in England has now had his name removed from the list I am told he is not in attendance at Irish conventions which are on at present because he was sent home I don't know why he was sent home Have the friends been asking why? Knowing what we now know that would be a valid question.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jun 27, 2023 4:22:24 GMT -5
I notice that a male senior worker that was list for a field in England has now had his name removed from the list I am told he is not in attendance at Irish conventions which are on at present because he was sent home I don't know why he was sent home <https://wingsfortruth.info/2023/06/26/craig-fulton-failure-to-report/> The letter is vague, but you can see it there and the story about convention.
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Post by snow on Jun 27, 2023 14:28:13 GMT -5
I notice that a male senior worker that was list for a field in England has now had his name removed from the list I am told he is not in attendance at Irish conventions which are on at present because he was sent home I don't know why he was sent home wingsfortruth.info/2023/06/26/craig-fulton-failure-to-report/ The letter is vague, but you can see it there and the story about convention. I noticed that the link didn't work so I reposted it for you.
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Post by kenco69 on Jun 27, 2023 14:47:44 GMT -5
Thanks That is most interesting as JG was in the work in Ireland up until the end of the mission this year and was Craig Fulton's companion Regarding JJ does anyone know were the allegations from Romania or Ireland Is NN professing now I know he attended Noel Tanner's funeral some years back
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jun 27, 2023 16:26:28 GMT -5
Thanks That is most interesting as JG was in the work in Ireland up until the end of the mission this year and was Craig Fulton's companion Regarding JJ does anyone know were the allegations from Romania or Ireland Is NN professing now I know he attended Noel Tanner's funeral some years back The allegations against JG and JJ are not known to be CSA, the sloppy letter from Leah and her husband doesn't make it clear. I suspect the allegations will have been from Romania as this is where he has been a lot of the time. The allegations against NN on the page are new, he was put out of the work in 2012 due to allegations against him by an adult. I have heard of many different reports of his "status", to be fair TG had tried to get rid of him for good - but lots of sympathisers supported NN... wonder will they now.
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Post by dogsdinner on Jun 28, 2023 7:45:43 GMT -5
How much more of this is going to come to light
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 9:41:22 GMT -5
How much more of this is going to come to light The pit is deep. The more light the more that will be revealed...
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Post by kenco69 on Jun 28, 2023 12:54:12 GMT -5
How much more of this is going to come to light I feel the message that was posted on wingsfortruth.info is not in anyway specific Are JJ or JG alleged to have committed SA or CSA If they had a consensual relationship with a single woman, although it would be very much frowned upon, it is not a crime I believe JJ was in the work in Ireland for a few years after returning from Romania before he went/was sent home Are the new allegations against NN ones since the assault on SL some years ago
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Post by jonathan on Jun 28, 2023 13:34:14 GMT -5
How much more of this is going to come to light I feel the message that was posted on wingsfortruth.info is not in anyway specific Are JJ or JG alleged to have committed SA or CSA If they had a consensual relationship with a single woman, although it would be very much frowned upon, it is not a crime I believe JJ was in the work in Ireland for a few years after returning from Romania before he went/was sent home Are the new allegations against NN ones since the assault on SL some years ag It is so vague, maybe it would have been better to first ask for more fact or to wait.
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Jul 1, 2023 18:15:07 GMT -5
How much more of this is going to come to light The pit is deep. The more light the more that will be revealed... I too wonder how much more has been swept under the carpet and yet to be revealed The couple that sent the message to Craig - was he originally from Spain where JG had previously been overseer I have heard that a disagreement occurred at Carrick Convention this year when Craig was asked to ask an alleged Sex Offender to leave the grounds and Craig refused to ask him to leave Of course who the person was probably had bearing on him being allowed to stay
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Post by dogsdinner on Jul 4, 2023 2:46:49 GMT -5
Whats going on is wrong Truth is not Truth if things are covered up and anything goes allowed
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Post by whatsup on Jul 7, 2023 12:55:49 GMT -5
I agree I think the overseer in Ireland needs to clarify the position re NN and JJ and show he has acted in a real way
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Post by whatsup on Jul 10, 2023 13:49:29 GMT -5
What is now the up to date scene re NN and JJ and meetings also read here of some disagreement with the Irish overseer at carrick re some alleged abuse This cant go on
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 11, 2023 9:58:46 GMT -5
What is now the up to date scene re NN and JJ and meetings also read here of some disagreement with the Irish overseer at carrick re some alleged abuse This cant go on According to Facebook and WINGs convos (again no formal comms, that would be too modern...) - NN was at two conventions spoke at both and attends social events and meetings (I assume). - JJ not present at convention - JG was at Carrick and told to leave, he was on the Scottish list issued in May as "England" (before he got booted at Carrick), now the combined list doesn't have him anywhere. The way may not change, but the list sure does. So I wonder why Craig was shifting him again to England...
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Post by whatsup on Jul 12, 2023 7:22:13 GMT -5
Thanks for that update but the Irish overseer needs to clarify that JG and JJ and NN will no longer be attending meetings but this groups SECRECY and cover up continues and makes matters worse
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 12, 2023 10:52:31 GMT -5
Thanks for that update but the Irish overseer needs to clarify that JG and JJ and NN will no longer be attending meetings but this groups SECRECY and cover up continues and makes matters worse On one hand we are saying the overseers aren’t responsible for someone salvation, now we are saying they are.
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Post by mountain on Jul 12, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -5
Thanks for that update but the Irish overseer needs to clarify that JG and JJ and NN will no longer be attending meetings but this groups SECRECY and cover up continues and makes matters worse On one hand we are saying the overseers aren’t responsible for someone salvation, now we are saying they are. Get used to it. That's the way of things.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 12, 2023 14:45:52 GMT -5
On one hand we are saying the overseers aren’t responsible for someone salvation, now we are saying they are. Get used to it. That's the way of things. On the one hand we are saying don't give the workers and overseers any powers over who attends meetings, on the other hand we are saying the workers and overseers are entirely responsible for providing a full history of everyone in the fellowship and decide whether they attend meetings, conventions and get to gethers.
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Post by whatsup on Jul 12, 2023 15:07:34 GMT -5
What we are talking about here is alleged Sexual Abuse and the need to protect the friends and children and indeed Workers
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Post by neighbour on Jul 12, 2023 17:11:12 GMT -5
Get used to it. That's the way of things. On the one hand we are saying don't give the workers and overseers any powers over who attends meetings, on the other hand we are saying the workers and overseers are entirely responsible for providing a full history of everyone in the fellowship and decide whether they attend meetings, conventions and get to gethers. The workers claim authority that many think they should not take, therefore they are held responsible for what messes they make. It's not that complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 20:01:19 GMT -5
Get used to it. That's the way of things. On the one hand we are saying don't give the workers and overseers any powers over who attends meetings, on the other hand we are saying the workers and overseers are entirely responsible for providing a full history of everyone in the fellowship and decide whether they attend meetings, conventions and get to gethers. Don't expect much common sense from anyone here on this issue except maybe a victim...
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 13, 2023 0:50:50 GMT -5
On the one hand we are saying don't give the workers and overseers any powers over who attends meetings, on the other hand we are saying the workers and overseers are entirely responsible for providing a full history of everyone in the fellowship and decide whether they attend meetings, conventions and get to gethers. The workers claim authority that many think they should not take, therefore they are held responsible for what messes they make. It's not that complicated. Well it is complicated. If you disperse responsibility to 10'000 elders instead of 10 top overseers, you have abusers welcome in 1 meeting and 10 minutes away the abuser isn't welcome.
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Post by snow on Jul 13, 2023 13:44:24 GMT -5
The workers claim authority that many think they should not take, therefore they are held responsible for what messes they make. It's not that complicated. Well it is complicated. If you disperse responsibility to 10'000 elders instead of 10 top overseers, you have abusers welcome in 1 meeting and 10 minutes away the abuser isn't welcome. So do you think that the overseers should be taking a more proactive role in ousting those who have allegations of CSA/SA against them? I'm not sure what you think, just that you think there are contradictions.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 13, 2023 14:52:34 GMT -5
Everyone whom has a meeting in their home is able to and can disallow perps into their home . It’s the elders home , they make a moral decision . The worker’s don’t rule the meetings . The only meeting they can attend is a gospel meeting as it is public . We were advised by law enforcement . That is why convicts names are coming out in letters from workers advising the friends of convicted felons . So it should be . Appreciate the elders who are taking this seriously to save anyone enduring CSA/SA . It’s not complicated at all . The elders are tackling it ask fixit !
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Post by mountain on Jul 14, 2023 1:50:22 GMT -5
Everyone whom has a meeting in their home is able to and can disallow perps into their home . It’s the elders home , they make a moral decision . The worker’s don’t rule the meetings . The only meeting they can attend is a gospel meeting as it is public . We were advised by law enforcement . That is why convicts names are coming out in letters from workers advising the friends of convicted felons . So it should be . Appreciate the elders who are taking this seriously to save anyone enduring CSA/SA . It’s not complicated at all . The elders are tackling it ask fixit ! My understanding, based on my experience, which is some years distant now, is that the workers have control over where a house meeting can be held and who can attend it. They appoint the private home and appropriate elder. This is not a legal arrangement, but an unwritten contract between the workers and the appointed elders. It is a group discipline which has become group law. Perhaps this is something that, inter alia, needs to be reconsidered?
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 14, 2023 2:10:33 GMT -5
Everyone whom has a meeting in their home is able to and can disallow perps into their home . It’s the elders home , they make a moral decision . The worker’s don’t rule the meetings . The only meeting they can attend is a gospel meeting as it is public . We were advised by law enforcement . That is why convicts names are coming out in letters from workers advising the friends of convicted felons . So it should be . Appreciate the elders who are taking this seriously to save anyone enduring CSA/SA . It’s not complicated at all . The elders are tackling it ask fixit ! You have missed the point entirely. Let me spell it out for you. If meeting attendance permissions is delegated to elders, there is a risk that an abuser can convince an elder he or she is innocent and just move meetings. If there are 10,000 elders you might get variations more than if you have 10 overseers.
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Post by dogsdinner on Jul 17, 2023 9:35:26 GMT -5
In the midst of all the alleged abuse in usa and australia and Ireland let us not forget all the abuse in Ireland by Noel Tanner and how slow workers were to do anything and as a result there are still people today on medication and counselling as a result this is shameful and I hope lessons will be learned
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