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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 11:56:54 GMT -5
Can't remember, does anyone know if Jesus, the 12 and the 70 were Habitat for Humanity or Red Cross volunteers? Wondering...
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2023 12:28:57 GMT -5
Even Jesus was smart enough to know that he had to physically provide actual food to the masses before he could feed them spiritually. What do you think the loaves and fishes story was about. The hierarchy of needs tells us that in order for someone to be able to focus on the spiritual their more physical needs need to be addressed first. That's why the Salvation Army provide food, clothing and lodging while trying to entice them into their church. Umm technicality (could be wrong) they were preached to first then fed... You don't think they ate and listened?
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2023 12:31:44 GMT -5
Story. Please read. I was in a field. Bored. Same old routine day after day. We visited a women who professed after a really hard life. She was living in very poor conditions. We were visiting her. I offered to work on scraping her little hovel so it could be painted. It was fun for me. I got into trouble. You will just get bread and fishes disciples if you help them I was told. You are not to offer physical, tangible help. Pause with me now…and remember if you know how workers started out in this continent. Helping. Working. And just what is right? We help if we can. Why not? It makes you feel happy. Unless, you are sick! The workers I remember 50 years ago totally did work. I know they did because I saw it when the younger workers came to our farm. And, my grandfather professed in 1918 when Willie J and companion came to their area and lived and worked on their ranch all winter. My grandfather always told the story of how much they helped and that he couldn't have done it without them. He had just lost his wife to the Spanish flu and she left behind 6 children, the youngest 2 under the age of 5. They worked.
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2023 12:34:29 GMT -5
Yup. My co wouldn’t help. Is this news to you all? This is common thinking, particularly in third world countries where workers differentiate themselves from other religions by not offering physical, tangible aide. That is truly ugly. What a way to differentiate themselves. Surely there is a better way then to refuse to help?
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Jun 18, 2023 16:42:32 GMT -5
Can't remember, does anyone know if Jesus, the 12 and the 70 were Habitat for Humanity or Red Cross volunteers? Wondering... Well they had the ability to heal with prayer, so I guess that trumps a little volunteer work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 19:26:18 GMT -5
Umm technicality (could be wrong) they were preached to first then fed... You don't think they ate and listened? That doesn't appear to be the recorded order.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2023 18:04:39 GMT -5
Story. Please read. I was in a field. Bored. Same old routine day after day. We visited a women who professed after a really hard life. She was living in very poor conditions. We were visiting her. I offered to work on scraping her little hovel so it could be painted. It was fun for me. I got into trouble. You will just get bread and fishes disciples if you help them I was told. You are not to offer physical, tangible help. Pause with me now…and remember if you know how workers started out in this continent. Helping. Working. And just what is right? We help if we can. Why not? It makes you feel happy. Unless, you are sick! I remember an old and kindly worker rejecting the notion that people bring their own lunch to preparations work day. He said, "The workman is worthy of his labor." And they all got hot lunch for at least 100 people present.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jun 19, 2023 18:18:12 GMT -5
Story. Please read. I was in a field. Bored. Same old routine day after day. We visited a women who professed after a really hard life. She was living in very poor conditions. We were visiting her. I offered to work on scraping her little hovel so it could be painted. It was fun for me. I got into trouble. You will just get bread and fishes disciples if you help them I was told. You are not to offer physical, tangible help. Pause with me now…and remember if you know how workers started out in this continent. Helping. Working. And just what is right? We help if we can. Why not? It makes you feel happy. Unless, you are sick! When I read this my mind turns to Kahlil Gibran on Work: "Then a ploughman said, Speak to us of Work. And he answered, saying: You work that you may keep pace with the earth and the soul of the earth. For to be idle is to become a stranger unto the seasons, and to step out of life’s procession, that marches in majesty and proud submission towards the infinite. When you work you are a flute through whose heart the whispering of the hours turns to music. Which of you would be a reed, dumb and silent, when all else sings together in unison?" There's more. Way more. Look it up, if it touches anything within you.
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2023 19:56:09 GMT -5
Can't remember, does anyone know if Jesus, the 12 and the 70 were Habitat for Humanity or Red Cross volunteers? Wondering... Jesus helped the down and out of his era... Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and curing every disease and every sickness among the people. 24 So his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought to him all the sick, those who were afflicted with various diseases and pains, people possessed by demons or having epilepsy or afflicted with paralysis, and he cured them. Luke 9:9 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
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Post by rebekah on Jun 19, 2023 20:48:25 GMT -5
Hi! I don’t know about everyone but most of my fellow workers are very busy. I can’t imagine being bored…. 😊 I’m thinking where are these workers?? There are many other things I would love to do (in the way of visits and outreach). and just don’t have enough hours in the day to do them …. What does keep you busy, if you don't mind me asking? What I hear from ex workers is that it's mostly going around to friends homes and visiting, conventions and preps, special meetings etc. So I would like a current worker to tell how their days are spent if you would please. Edit: I would just like to add that I left 50 years ago so my memories are very outdated. That's why I'm curious. My memories of the workers when we lived on the farm were of the younger workers helping out a lot and the older worker (who had health problems) sat and visited or just read his bible quietly. When my grandfather first heard the 'Truth', two workers came to their ranch and lived there for the winter and helped enormously. So that's my memories. Since finding this site in 2010 I am hearing a different story about the workers and what they do, or more precisely, what they don't do. It would be nice to hear from IS, Jonathan and yourself what your days look like. Hi. Well every day is so different. We currently have 3 gospel meetings a week and then the two fellowship meetings. We have a big field so also driving a lot and moving houses often takes a time and energy….. not a much down time at least for me. I get up, try to have some quiet time for reading and praying and then get some exercise for the body… visiting a lot among the friends (which I do feel is important). But when I am working on correspondence and arrangement things which I do mostly on my computer…. I often try to go out into a public place - coffee shop, library to do that…. Just to be in a better position to meet people. And I talk to people a lot while I am out and about. And I spend a good bit on time making calls to people where we can’t visit them anytime just real soon or people who might be particularly going through something…. Playing the kids in a public setting…. Etc etc. Visit with the people of the home where there…
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Post by ForeverFree on Jun 19, 2023 22:23:47 GMT -5
What does keep you busy, if you don't mind me asking? What I hear from ex workers is that it's mostly going around to friends homes and visiting, conventions and preps, special meetings etc. So I would like a current worker to tell how their days are spent if you would please. Edit: I would just like to add that I left 50 years ago so my memories are very outdated. That's why I'm curious. My memories of the workers when we lived on the farm were of the younger workers helping out a lot and the older worker (who had health problems) sat and visited or just read his bible quietly. When my grandfather first heard the 'Truth', two workers came to their ranch and lived there for the winter and helped enormously. So that's my memories. Since finding this site in 2010 I am hearing a different story about the workers and what they do, or more precisely, what they don't do. It would be nice to hear from IS, Jonathan and yourself what your days look like. Hi. Well every day is so different. We currently have 3 gospel meetings a week and then the two fellowship meetings. We have a big field so also driving a lot and moving houses often takes a time and energy….. not a much down time at least for me. I get up, try to have some quiet time for reading and praying and then get some exercise for the body… visiting a lot among the friends (which I do feel is important). But when I am working on correspondence and arrangement things which I do mostly on my computer…. I often try to go out into a public place - coffee shop, library to do that…. Just to be in a better position to meet people. And I talk to people a lot while I am out and about. And I spend a good bit on time making calls to people where we can’t visit them anytime just real soon or people who might be particularly going through something…. Playing the kids in a public setting…. Etc etc. Visit with the people of the home where there… You forgot to mention the amount of time you secretly spend on PMB. Yes, secretly. But that's the foundation of the whole 2x2 church, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 22:37:29 GMT -5
Can't remember, does anyone know if Jesus, the 12 and the 70 were Habitat for Humanity or Red Cross volunteers? Wondering... Jesus helped the down and out of his era... Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and curing every disease and every sickness among the people. 24 So his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought to him all the sick, those who were afflicted with various diseases and pains, people possessed by demons or having epilepsy or afflicted with paralysis, and he cured them. Luke 9:9 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. Nice dodge...
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Post by janj on Jun 20, 2023 4:19:05 GMT -5
Yup. My co wouldn’t help. Is this news to you all? This is common thinking, particularly in third world countries where workers differentiate themselves from other religions by not offering physical, tangible aide. It's not news to me. Groups of friends will go to developing countries to build convention grounds, but building houses for the poor friends who attend is out of the question. Actually to be fair, I know of quite a few cases where friends have helped out folks that need it with various forms of aid including money to get them into housing. I think you will find that there is a huge amount of aid given to those in need in the church (and people outside) by well off friends that is never advertised.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 20, 2023 9:17:07 GMT -5
It's not news to me. Groups of friends will go to developing countries to build convention grounds, but building houses for the poor friends who attend is out of the question. Actually to be fair, I know of quite a few cases where friends have helped out folks that need it with various forms of aid including money to get them into housing. I think you will find that there is a huge amount of aid given to those in need in the church (and people outside) by well off friends that is never advertised. The survivors (out of the way) are receiving nothing to date
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Post by snow on Jun 20, 2023 13:36:00 GMT -5
What does keep you busy, if you don't mind me asking? What I hear from ex workers is that it's mostly going around to friends homes and visiting, conventions and preps, special meetings etc. So I would like a current worker to tell how their days are spent if you would please. Edit: I would just like to add that I left 50 years ago so my memories are very outdated. That's why I'm curious. My memories of the workers when we lived on the farm were of the younger workers helping out a lot and the older worker (who had health problems) sat and visited or just read his bible quietly. When my grandfather first heard the 'Truth', two workers came to their ranch and lived there for the winter and helped enormously. So that's my memories. Since finding this site in 2010 I am hearing a different story about the workers and what they do, or more precisely, what they don't do. It would be nice to hear from IS, Jonathan and yourself what your days look like. Hi. Well every day is so different. We currently have 3 gospel meetings a week and then the two fellowship meetings. We have a big field so also driving a lot and moving houses often takes a time and energy….. not a much down time at least for me. I get up, try to have some quiet time for reading and praying and then get some exercise for the body… visiting a lot among the friends (which I do feel is important). But when I am working on correspondence and arrangement things which I do mostly on my computer…. I often try to go out into a public place - coffee shop, library to do that…. Just to be in a better position to meet people. And I talk to people a lot while I am out and about. And I spend a good bit on time making calls to people where we can’t visit them anytime just real soon or people who might be particularly going through something…. Playing the kids in a public setting…. Etc etc. Visit with the people of the home where there… Thank you for your answer. It definitely is a busy schedule for you. I'm glad you do get out in public and interact though. It helps to have a larger view of things imo.
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Post by getreal on Jun 20, 2023 17:22:37 GMT -5
Actually to be fair, I know of quite a few cases where friends have helped out folks that need it with various forms of aid including money to get them into housing. I think you will find that there is a huge amount of aid given to those in need in the church (and people outside) by well off friends that is never advertised. The survivors (out of the way) are receiving nothing to date This is another topic but I wonder if a class action suit is being considered. It’s hard to get criminal convictions sadly, but a civil case can at least penalize them where it hurts. The money. Are survivors talking to lawyers?
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Post by janj on Jun 20, 2023 17:50:00 GMT -5
Actually to be fair, I know of quite a few cases where friends have helped out folks that need it with various forms of aid including money to get them into housing. I think you will find that there is a huge amount of aid given to those in need in the church (and people outside) by well off friends that is never advertised. The survivors (out of the way) are receiving nothing to date Completely different subject. It was housing that was mentioned.
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Post by getreal on Jun 20, 2023 17:59:50 GMT -5
The survivors (out of the way) are receiving nothing to date Completely different subject. It was housing that was mentioned. Well under the broad umbrella of help and restitution for survivors what about a class action civil case? Any lawyers out there? E jean Carol did well although it was grueling.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 20, 2023 18:26:27 GMT -5
The survivors (out of the way) are receiving nothing to date This is another topic but I wonder if a class action suit is being considered. It’s hard to get criminal convictions sadly, but a civil case can at least penalize them where it hurts. The money. Are survivors talking to lawyers? Never have I seen it happen in Alberta . In my life the only money we saw was what my parents gave . When we moved my mom to assisted living , I had to help pay for her care . Workers came to visit and I told them , you will receive no more money . As they looked on the way out for the envelope . My mom left nothing to the worker’s . When my mom passed THE BOYS THOUGHT THEY WERE TAKING THE FUNERAL . OVER MY DEAD BODY . It was sister worker’s or NONE !! We were asked after reading of the Will if there was money for them . To which I said there was no money for THEM . My mom was videotaped by police about me living trauma from the CSA/SA in case she passed . Further to that the worker whom was sure that he was taking her funeral is the SON OF ONE OF MY ABUSERS . Full stop 🛑 I would have taken the funeral myself . Looking for money when I am paying for her care . Not once did the worker’s think about helping . Why don’t we attend anymore , because of the trauma we endured including my 9 year old . That was in 1990 and it’s probably worse now with the internet so they can view porn (the ones sick in their heads) . I am not saying all workers and friends . I would rather face a rattlesnake then step onto convention grounds in these days . However I did take my parents from 2005 to 2019 to meetings , special meetings and conventions . I did my duty to make sure they got to enjoy the fellowship . However I really got pissed at people that knew me called my tattoo lady or the ones with all the piercings . I was asked to leave the tables for elderly and handicapped because I was not in the Truth . That didn’t go down well . I had to feed my dad and be with him every minute . After the first time people shut up . That is appalling behavior of some sanctimonious friends and worker’s . It was a worker I knew that told people to leave me alone , because I was legally in charge of my father . I let my mom enjoy her friends and gave her the freedom to enjoy the the fellowship . However I was watching as well as she had Parkinson’s . I arranged my holidays from work to attend to my parents , so glad that journey is DONE ☑️ . You really have no idea of what happens and that is a good I have told this story before and this is the last time , looking at my abusers for 4 days of convention just about killed me . Literally can you imagine that and what a challenge it was . But I served my parents ! With honor 💞
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Post by jonathan on Jun 21, 2023 0:42:33 GMT -5
This is another topic but I wonder if a class action suit is being considered. It’s hard to get criminal convictions sadly, but a civil case can at least penalize them where it hurts. The money. Are survivors talking to lawyers? Never have I seen it happen in Alberta . In my life the only money we saw was what my parents gave . When we moved my mom to assisted living , I had to help pay for her care . Workers came to visit and I told them , you will receive no more money . As they looked on the way out for the envelope . My mom left nothing to the worker’s . When my mom passed THE BOYS THOUGHT THEY WERE TAKING THE FUNERAL . OVER MY DEAD BODY . It was sister worker’s or NONE !! We were asked after reading of the Will if there was money for them . To which I said there was no money for THEM . My mom was videotaped by police about me living trauma from the CSA/SA in case she passed . Further to that the worker whom was sure that he was taking her funeral is the SON OF ONE OF MY ABUSERS . Full stop 🛑 I would have taken the funeral myself . Looking for money when I am paying for her care . Not once did the worker’s think about helping . Why don’t we attend anymore , because of the trauma we endured including my 9 year old . That was in 1990 and it’s probably worse now with the internet so they can view porn (the ones sick in their heads) . I am not saying all workers and friends . I would rather face a rattlesnake then step onto convention grounds in these days . However I did take my parents from 2005 to 2019 to meetings , special meetings and conventions . I did my duty to make sure they got to enjoy the fellowship . However I really got pissed at people that knew me called my tattoo lady or the ones with all the piercings . I was asked to leave the tables for elderly and handicapped because I was not in the Truth . That didn’t go down well . I had to feed my dad and be with him every minute . After the first time people shut up . That is appalling behavior of some sanctimonious friends and worker’s . It was a worker I knew that told people to leave me alone , because I was legally in charge of my father . I let my mom enjoy her friends and gave her the freedom to enjoy the the fellowship . However I was watching as well as she had Parkinson’s . I arranged my holidays from work to attend to my parents , so glad that journey is DONE ☑️ . You really have no idea of what happens and that is a good I have told this story before and this is the last time , looking at my abusers for 4 days of convention just about killed me . Literally can you imagine that and what a challenge it was . But I served my parents ! With honor 💞 💜💜💜
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Post by jane on Jun 21, 2023 12:07:30 GMT -5
I spent the last 10 days of my mom passing , I was at her side after I decided want needed to be done ☑️ . I received a call from her doctor asking what I wanted to do . I discontinued her medication and IV after that call . Many family disputes my decision . So I told no one about the decision . I had to do that with my dad as well . I lied to my aunt just to stop beating me down because of what I did . I had traveled back to my decision regarding my hero , my best friend , the only man I truly loved was my father . He had given me his orders regarding him & mom . Which I followed through . I have never been under such pressure . So I moved forward and told NO ONE about my decision . The last day of her life was calm . I slept there and never left , till I whispered to her ……… Mom it’s okay now . The last day , her movements of Parkinson’s left . I whispered in her ear , it’s ok mom , shortly after those words she passed away peacefully . I have an older brother , however he could not handle it . I asked my mom prior to passing whom she wanted to see . She said my brother , so he came in to see her . And her best friend of 80 years . It was a battle because of COVID-19 , but I made sure the family had the chance to see her . I butted heads with her care center over this . However she got to see , those precious people . The fact that she decided not to give workers money was odd . However I understand her reasoning . My parents spent 1000’s on my mental health and my daughter’s . I keep trying to understand the reason for her actions . She didn’t support or even tried to engage In fellowship in her last years . She was very angry about my excommunication at 13 years old . However it was the same worker, that who blamed CSA against me . Jack Price was never allowed into my parents home after that .So off to surgery at 9 AM . You get a break from my chatting . Whew 😰 Your experiences are always welcomed to be shared here. They are valuable. They are respected. and they will help us learn. Thank you for sharing.
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Post by getreal on Jun 21, 2023 13:00:57 GMT -5
What does keep you busy, if you don't mind me asking? What I hear from ex workers is that it's mostly going around to friends homes and visiting, conventions and preps, special meetings etc. So I would like a current worker to tell how their days are spent if you would please. Edit: I would just like to add that I left 50 years ago so my memories are very outdated. That's why I'm curious. My memories of the workers when we lived on the farm were of the younger workers helping out a lot and the older worker (who had health problems) sat and visited or just read his bible quietly. When my grandfather first heard the 'Truth', two workers came to their ranch and lived there for the winter and helped enormously. So that's my memories. Since finding this site in 2010 I am hearing a different story about the workers and what they do, or more precisely, what they don't do. It would be nice to hear from IS, Jonathan and yourself what your days look like. Hi. Well every day is so different. We currently have 3 gospel meetings a week and then the two fellowship meetings. We have a big field so also driving a lot and moving houses often takes a time and energy….. not a much down time at least for me. I get up, try to have some quiet time for reading and praying and then get some exercise for the body… visiting a lot among the friends (which I do feel is important). But when I am working on correspondence and arrangement things which I do mostly on my computer…. I often try to go out into a public place - coffee shop, library to do that…. Just to be in a better position to meet people. And I talk to people a lot while I am out and about. And I spend a good bit on time making calls to people where we can’t visit them anytime just real soon or people who might be particularly going through something…. Playing the kids in a public setting…. Etc etc. Visit with the people of the home where there… I had a completely different reaction to this post. It made me relive the oppressiveness of the sameness of every day, contrary to her first line that every day is different. Breakfast. Spend your morning in your room. Lunch maybe in the same home or maybe somewhere else. An afternoon walk for that needed bodily exercise because you have no work to do. Time in a coffee shop, or walking around town. She is the responsible worker. Not sure what she is ‘arranging’ as there is little of that but maybe changing the meeting list if needed (fellowhip meetings in the homes, where and who at each meeting) or organizing the special meetings visiting for her field. That’s about it for arranging and the younger worker is usually not involved in this kind of planning. No, the younger worker is wandering around, maybe looking at stuff they can’t buy, filling in some time, looking into other people’s lives…people with relationships, homes, jobs, children, busy lives they are outside of looking in always. Then supper and maybe packing up and moving somewhere else. She makes it sound like a big deal but it’s just a suitcase to close up and a drive. She does not mention any interest despite 3 gospel meetings, which tells me they don’t have any. This is a good snapshot of the work as it is now, not seeking the lost, not finding them, not trying much at all. It is what it will continue to be if this church survives at all. Once it is possibly cleaned up, it will continue to dwindle. It is a tiny little inconsequential group accept to those who are members that is not what it was intended to be at its inception and is undeserving of all the attention it gets here. Once it is at least not doing harm it can be ignored. Let the flak begin 🙂
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Post by fixit on Jun 21, 2023 13:08:01 GMT -5
When we moved my mom to assisted living , I had to help pay for her care . Workers came to visit and I told them , you will receive no more money . As they looked on the way out for the envelope . My mom left nothing to the worker’s . When my mom passed THE BOYS THOUGHT THEY WERE TAKING THE FUNERAL . OVER MY DEAD BODY . It was sister worker’s or NONE !! We were asked after reading of the Will if there was money for them . To which I said there was no money for THEM . There's a problem right there. The organisation is costing far too much to run.
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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2023 14:49:40 GMT -5
This is another topic but I wonder if a class action suit is being considered. It’s hard to get criminal convictions sadly, but a civil case can at least penalize them where it hurts. The money. Are survivors talking to lawyers? Never have I seen it happen in Alberta . In my life the only money we saw was what my parents gave . When we moved my mom to assisted living , I had to help pay for her care . Workers came to visit and I told them , you will receive no more money . As they looked on the way out for the envelope . My mom left nothing to the worker’s . When my mom passed THE BOYS THOUGHT THEY WERE TAKING THE FUNERAL . OVER MY DEAD BODY . It was sister worker’s or NONE !! We were asked after reading of the Will if there was money for them . To which I said there was no money for THEM . My mom was videotaped by police about me living trauma from the CSA/SA in case she passed . Further to that the worker whom was sure that he was taking her funeral is the SON OF ONE OF MY ABUSERS . Full stop 🛑 I would have taken the funeral myself . Looking for money when I am paying for her care . Not once did the worker’s think about helping . Why don’t we attend anymore , because of the trauma we endured including my 9 year old . That was in 1990 and it’s probably worse now with the internet so they can view porn (the ones sick in their heads) . I am not saying all workers and friends . I would rather face a rattlesnake then step onto convention grounds in these days . However I did take my parents from 2005 to 2019 to meetings , special meetings and conventions . I did my duty to make sure they got to enjoy the fellowship . However I really got pissed at people that knew me called my tattoo lady or the ones with all the piercings . I was asked to leave the tables for elderly and handicapped because I was not in the Truth . That didn’t go down well . I had to feed my dad and be with him every minute . After the first time people shut up . That is appalling behavior of some sanctimonious friends and worker’s . It was a worker I knew that told people to leave me alone , because I was legally in charge of my father . I let my mom enjoy her friends and gave her the freedom to enjoy the the fellowship . However I was watching as well as she had Parkinson’s . I arranged my holidays from work to attend to my parents , so glad that journey is DONE ☑️ . You really have no idea of what happens and that is a good I have told this story before and this is the last time , looking at my abusers for 4 days of convention just about killed me . Literally can you imagine that and what a challenge it was . But I served my parents ! With honor 💞 They literally asked you if they were left money!!! I was not executor of my parents will. Some of the friends did that. I was told how much I was getting and the rest was going to the workers. I trusted them to do what the will said. I don't think I ever saw the will now that I think about it. So I have no idea how much went to the workers. I had no problem with them giving to the workers, but now I have to wonder if they just took an undisclosed amount of money. With what I'm learning over the last decade I have no idea if what I received was actually what my parents wanted. If it was what my parents wanted, I'm totally fine with that. It was theirs to do what they wanted. But now I have concerns. I hate what's going on. It's destroying trust of the workers in so many areas.
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Post by janj on Jun 21, 2023 15:11:15 GMT -5
Hi. Well every day is so different. We currently have 3 gospel meetings a week and then the two fellowship meetings. We have a big field so also driving a lot and moving houses often takes a time and energy….. not a much down time at least for me. I get up, try to have some quiet time for reading and praying and then get some exercise for the body… visiting a lot among the friends (which I do feel is important). But when I am working on correspondence and arrangement things which I do mostly on my computer…. I often try to go out into a public place - coffee shop, library to do that…. Just to be in a better position to meet people. And I talk to people a lot while I am out and about. And I spend a good bit on time making calls to people where we can’t visit them anytime just real soon or people who might be particularly going through something…. Playing the kids in a public setting…. Etc etc. Visit with the people of the home where there… I had a completely different reaction to this post. It made me relive the oppressiveness of the sameness of every day, contrary to her first line that every day is different. Breakfast. Spend your morning in your room. Lunch maybe in the same home or maybe somewhere else. An afternoon walk for that needed bodily exercise because you have no work to do. Time in a coffee shop, or walking around town. She is the responsible worker. Not sure what she is ‘arranging’ as there is little of that but maybe changing the meeting list if needed (fellowhip meetings in the homes, where and who at each meeting) or organizing the special meetings visiting for her field. That’s about it for arranging and the younger worker is usually not involved in this kind of planning. No, the younger worker is wandering around, maybe looking at stuff they can’t buy, filling in some time, looking into other people’s lives…people with relationships, homes, jobs, children, busy lives they are outside of looking in always. Then supper and maybe packing up and moving somewhere else. She makes it sound like a big deal but it’s just a suitcase to close up and a drive. She does not mention any interest despite 3 gospel meetings, which tells me they don’t have any. This is a good snapshot of the work as it is now, not seeking the lost, not finding them, not trying much at all. It is what it will continue to be if this church survives at all. Once it is possibly cleaned up, it will continue to dwindle. It is a tiny little inconsequential group accept to those who are members that is not what it was intended to be at its inception and is undeserving of all the attention it gets here. Once it is at least not doing harm it can be ignored. Let the flak begin 🙂 I'd love to know why you feel like that. If you could put up an outline of what you do in a day maybe it would help us understand Thanks
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Post by getreal on Jun 21, 2023 16:49:10 GMT -5
I had a completely different reaction to this post. It made me relive the oppressiveness of the sameness of every day, contrary to her first line that every day is different. Breakfast. Spend your morning in your room. Lunch maybe in the same home or maybe somewhere else. An afternoon walk for that needed bodily exercise because you have no work to do. Time in a coffee shop, or walking around town. She is the responsible worker. Not sure what she is ‘arranging’ as there is little of that but maybe changing the meeting list if needed (fellowhip meetings in the homes, where and who at each meeting) or organizing the special meetings visiting for her field. That’s about it for arranging and the younger worker is usually not involved in this kind of planning. No, the younger worker is wandering around, maybe looking at stuff they can’t buy, filling in some time, looking into other people’s lives…people with relationships, homes, jobs, children, busy lives they are outside of looking in always. Then supper and maybe packing up and moving somewhere else. She makes it sound like a big deal but it’s just a suitcase to close up and a drive. She does not mention any interest despite 3 gospel meetings, which tells me they don’t have any. This is a good snapshot of the work as it is now, not seeking the lost, not finding them, not trying much at all. It is what it will continue to be if this church survives at all. Once it is possibly cleaned up, it will continue to dwindle. It is a tiny little inconsequential group accept to those who are members that is not what it was intended to be at its inception and is undeserving of all the attention it gets here. Once it is at least not doing harm it can be ignored. Let the flak begin 🙂 I'd love to know why you feel like that. If you could put up an outline of what you do in a day maybe it would help us understand Thanks Not understanding you. Are you talking to get real who is not in the work anymore or Rebecca?
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Post by janj on Jun 22, 2023 0:47:37 GMT -5
I'd love to know why you feel like that. If you could put up an outline of what you do in a day maybe it would help us understand Thanks Not understanding you. Are you talking to get real who is not in the work anymore or Rebecca? To getreal
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Post by haggard on Jun 22, 2023 9:05:59 GMT -5
It's not news to me. Groups of friends will go to developing countries to build convention grounds, but building houses for the poor friends who attend is out of the question. Actually to be fair, I know of quite a few cases where friends have helped out folks that need it with various forms of aid including money to get them into housing. I think you will find that there is a huge amount of aid given to those in need in the church (and people outside) by well off friends that is never advertised. well from what l understood...with Darrel Turners episodes in the east..the workers dressed to the nines and lived the life...and were swamped with local young people offering for the work...so these huge amounts of help would def be good bait for gospel meetings too
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