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Post by CherieKropp on May 30, 2023 9:37:09 GMT -5
FYI: Lyle Schober did NOT write his 2007 CSA notification letter voluntarily. He was put over a barrel by some Ex-2x2s. Let me explain. I was involved. Lyle was the overseer of Minnesota. After Tim turned himself in, a concerned ex-2x2 couple requested a meeting with Lyle. They had young children who had been in contact with Tim Severud at their 2x2 parents' home, but were not abused, and feared there were more children who may have been victims who could use therapy. The couple asked the late Scott Ross to accompany them as a witness because he also lived in the same vicinity (the same Scott Ross who became the Global moderator for the Truth Meeting Board, aka TMB) Meanwhile, the wife contacted me, asking for my thoughts as to how they might to proceed, what items to cover in the meeting, etc. Together we drafted an "example notification letter" that they presented to Lyle. They told Lyle if he did not send out a similar notification to ALL the friends in MN, they would do so themselves. They gave him 3 days to decide--before they would act. To our surprise, Lyle used our letter almost verbatim (with two small insignificant modifications). To my knowledge, that was the first CSA letter notification of its kind to be sent out in the USA. Subsequently, Jerome Frandle, Overseer of Michigan, followed Lyle's "example" when CSA occurred in his state in 2008 and 2011. Followed by Ray Hoffman sending out one re Ira Hobbs and Americo Quisepe in 2008. This incident was WINGS genesis. Subsequently, the wife, Scott Ross myself, my husband and 3 others formed WINGSfortruth.info. Now you know… WINGS LINK to Schober's 2007 letterFunny thing was, we didnt even have a friends list for all MN when the threat was made!
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Post by Ron Walton on May 30, 2023 11:54:58 GMT -5
Sometimes a good bluff is the winning hand!
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Post by Admin on May 30, 2023 18:35:28 GMT -5
Thanks CherieKropp for this useful piece of 2x2 history. Eventually we will move this thread and ensuing discussion to the '2x2 Church History' sub-board for posterity. Lyle was smart to send that letter as he did - knowing Cherie and Scott, with or without an MN friends list, they would have disseminated that letter hook or by crook! (we need more of their courage and chutzpah, right now) There is a wealth of 2x2 church history buried in the past threads of TMB, one reason to keep it active and available. I can imagine future historians dredging through it for those gems. (perhaps the picture of those history researchers will be something like this: some of our younger tech-savvy members (e.g. FHC, @ring?) sitting in the sun, piña coladas and mobile phones in hand, while ChatGPT or its progeny answers the query "write the 2x2 church history based on TMB discussion down the ages"?!) Brave new world. Who knows what the future holds?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 8, 2023 17:07:47 GMT -5
Remember when Cherie Kropp was put over a barrel by Scott Ross for posting the " Info needed re Minnesota friend" thread as WINGS while Scott was on vacation? Turned out the "Minnesota friend" she was asking about wasn't one of the friends. I just found out about all this after getting back a couple of hours ago. Since I AM the administrator of WINGS, I'll have to take the responsibility for the original posting on the board, although it was posted without my knowledge or consent. I'm looking into this, and will let everyone know what comes of it. WINGS stands for Working to Inform, Notify, Guide and Support. The post was inappropriate and as administrator of WINGS I apologize for it being put here on the TMB. Scott First off, this thread was not Scott’s fault. He had no idea that I would write it. This was “my deal.” If there is any “heat” to be delivered—I am the one deserving of it. My computer has been on the blink since Friday – and so we took this time to do things away from home until the computer guru could get to us. I am the one who wrote the post using the name of WINGSFORTRUTH to discover if the man was “a friend” or one of “the friends.” I didn’t run the idea through the Wings group, and I wish I had, and I’m sorry that I didn’t. Silly me, I had no idea it would cause the commotion it has, especially when I thought that accuracy was so important. But I jumped the gun and screwed up. My belief has been that if a person’s name was in public records that it was OK to use that name on TMB. I used the man’s name because it was already public record and he had ADMITTED that he had done it. Then he withdrew his admission of guilt and wanted a public trial. Reportedly, the man was convicted on 10/17/08 and is to be sentenced in 2009. I felt there was good reason to ask the questions for IF the man was not professing, then he does not belong on the WINGS convicted 2x2 offender list. Neither I nor WINGS wanted to make a mistake and include his name if it didn’t meet the criteria for inclusion. If he isn’t professing…then the questions following that weren’t relevant. The questions were for purposes of identification. If someone verified that the man does profess—then WINGS would want to make certain. If two people answered some of those questions in the same way—we could be fairly certain that he was professing. The questions were intended to elicit sufficient information so that WINGS would know whether or not he belonged on that list. If it can be shown which category has more CSA involvement: B&R or Latecomers, then that information can be “relative.” Knowing this can help WINGS to share or develop articles that are more helpful to the F&W in addressing these issues. Again, I’m so sorry I created and caused this mess. If I could undo it, I certainly would. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 9, 2023 4:16:52 GMT -5
FYI: Lyle Schober did NOT write his 2007 CSA notification letter voluntarily. He was put over a barrel by some Ex-2x2s. Let me explain. I was involved. Lyle was the overseer of Minnesota. After Tim turned himself in, a concerned ex-2x2 couple requested a meeting with Lyle. They had young children who had been in contact with Tim Severud at their 2x2 parents' home, but were not abused, and feared there were more children who may have been victims who could use therapy. The couple asked the late Scott Ross to accompany them as a witness because he also lived in the same vicinity (the same Scott Ross who became the Global moderator for the Truth Meeting Board, aka TMB) Meanwhile, the wife contacted me, asking for my thoughts as to how they might to proceed, what items to cover in the meeting, etc. Together we drafted an "example notification letter" that they presented to Lyle. They told Lyle if he did not send out a similar notification to ALL the friends in MN, they would do so themselves. They gave him 3 days to decide--before they would act. To our surprise, Lyle used our letter almost verbatim (with two small insignificant modifications). To my knowledge, that was the first CSA letter notification of its kind to be sent out in the USA. Subsequently, Jerome Frandle, Overseer of Michigan, followed Lyle's "example" when CSA occurred in his state in 2008 and 2011. Followed by Ray Hoffman sending out one re Ira Hobbs and Americo Quisepe in 2008. This incident was WINGS genesis. Subsequently, the wife, Scott Ross myself, my husband and 3 others formed WINGSfortruth.info. Now you know… WINGS LINK to Schober's 2007 letterFunny thing was, we didnt even have a friends list for all MN when the threat was made! Thanks Cherie - it’s always good to know that the workers have no good in them and any goodness is brought out by people like you.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 26, 2023 10:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 29, 2023 17:02:09 GMT -5
So it sounds like Lyle was encouraged based on what was being posted on a primarily ex2x2 group. I guess the image that Cherie is pushing for aligns with her bias.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 16, 2023 12:40:07 GMT -5
So it sounds like Lyle was encouraged based on what was being posted on a primarily ex2x2 group. I guess the image that Cherie is pushing for aligns with her bias. Probably true, but he had done a lot before the conversation with John, Juliette and Scott. Scott lists it here; Howdy, When Juli, John and I met with Lyle and Craig on Monday (27 Aug), Lyle told us that he had been in contact with all the elders in Minnesota concerning this issue. He told us that the investigator has Tims list (address book) of all the Friends in Minnesota, which also lists all the children's names that live there. He told us that he was informed by the investigator that all families with children's names listed would be contacted and interviewed during this investigation. He indicated that everyone in his field would be contacted by a letter from him concerning this matter. Juli and John let him know that if he didn't contact everyone then they would (I'll help with this) I showed him a printout of the original thread concerning this, and pointed out that it had been looked at over 2000 times in two days. (I also gave him the printout) If you look at the different threads concerning this you can see how much attention this has received by the number of times it has been looked at. I told him I expected about 10,000 hits by the end of the week..... If you add up the different threads..... I stressed the fact that this was not going to 'fly under the radar', and that this was being watched closely internationally by both professing folks and by exes. Scott
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Post by themaninthemirror on Oct 17, 2023 15:21:59 GMT -5
So it sounds like Lyle was encouraged based on what was being posted on a primarily ex2x2 group. I guess the image that Cherie is pushing for aligns with her bias. Probably true, but he had done a lot before the conversation with John, Juliette and Scott. Scott lists it here; Howdy, When Juli, John and I met with Lyle and Craig on Monday (27 Aug), Lyle told us that he had been in contact with all the elders in Minnesota concerning this issue. He told us that the investigator has Tims list (address book) of all the Friends in Minnesota, which also lists all the children's names that live there. He told us that he was informed by the investigator that all families with children's names listed would be contacted and interviewed during this investigation. He indicated that everyone in his field would be contacted by a letter from him concerning this matter. Juli and John let him know that if he didn't contact everyone then they would (I'll help with this) I showed him a printout of the original thread concerning this, and pointed out that it had been looked at over 2000 times in two days. (I also gave him the printout) If you look at the different threads concerning this you can see how much attention this has received by the number of times it has been looked at. I told him I expected about 10,000 hits by the end of the week..... If you add up the different threads..... I stressed the fact that this was not going to 'fly under the radar', and that this was being watched closely internationally by both professing folks and by exes. Scott Exactly - but the objective of Cherie is to criticise Lyle and pretend it was all down to the exes.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2023 1:38:11 GMT -5
Probably true, but he had done a lot before the conversation with John, Juliette and Scott. Scott lists it here; Exactly - but the objective of Cherie is to criticise Lyle and pretend it was all down to the exes. It largely was the exes who turned the screws.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 12:28:01 GMT -5
Exactly - but the objective of Cherie is to criticise Lyle and pretend it was all down to the exes. It largely was the exes who turned the screws. You mean it wasn't the moral awakening of a righteous overseer that led to the first instance of moral clarity in the group since 1897??? Say it ain't so! 😂
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 20, 2023 17:40:10 GMT -5
It largely was the exes who turned the screws. You mean it wasn't the moral awakening of a righteous overseer that led to the first instance of moral clarity in the group since 1897??? Say it ain't so! 😂 No, it ain't so. Same as in California. Overseer advocated not to go to the law, wicked me went to the law, and the overseer announced that it was the right thing to do. It happened that way in other states, too. I do not know of any case where an overseer led the way to report such an offender to the law. I have an idea that overseers aren't that anxious to break ranks with other overseers when it comes to such initiatives.
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Post by SharonArnold on Oct 21, 2023 16:07:32 GMT -5
I have an idea that overseers aren't that anxious to break ranks with other overseers when it comes to such initiatives. This is my bet too. For the overseers who still have a moral compass, I think it is likely that they are being discouraged (both overtly and covertly) from doing what they know to be right. If management was straightforwardly trying to clean up the ministry, there wouldn't be the evident stresses we see on some of the decent ones. In fact, it would probably be better-than-average times for the fellowship. But they don't seem to get it. No more than they seem to believe that God might have a problem with what they are doing. That tells me that they do not believe in God at all. It is very simple. It is your conduct, (not your words, not your lofty thoughts, nor even your opinion of yourselves) that proves to others who you really are.
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Post by mod7 on Oct 21, 2023 23:23:09 GMT -5
Topic of thread is "Lyle Schober forced to write his 2007 notification letter".
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Post by passingby on Oct 28, 2023 15:07:53 GMT -5
FYI: Lyle Schober did NOT write his 2007 CSA notification letter voluntarily. He was put over a barrel by some Ex-2x2s. Let me explain. I was involved. Lyle was the overseer of Minnesota. After Tim turned himself in, a concerned ex-2x2 couple requested a meeting with Lyle. They had young children who had been in contact with Tim Severud at their 2x2 parents' home, but were not abused, and feared there were more children who may have been victims who could use therapy. The couple asked the late Scott Ross to accompany them as a witness because he also lived in the same vicinity (the same Scott Ross who became the Global moderator for the Truth Meeting Board, aka TMB) Meanwhile, the wife contacted me, asking for my thoughts as to how they might to proceed, what items to cover in the meeting, etc. Together we drafted an "example notification letter" that they presented to Lyle. They told Lyle if he did not send out a similar notification to ALL the friends in MN, they would do so themselves. They gave him 3 days to decide--before they would act. To our surprise, Lyle used our letter almost verbatim (with two small insignificant modifications). To my knowledge, that was the first CSA letter notification of its kind to be sent out in the USA. Subsequently, Jerome Frandle, Overseer of Michigan, followed Lyle's "example" when CSA occurred in his state in 2008 and 2011. Followed by Ray Hoffman sending out one re Ira Hobbs and Americo Quisepe in 2008. This incident was WINGS genesis. Subsequently, the wife, Scott Ross myself, my husband and 3 others formed WINGSfortruth.info. Now you know… WINGS LINK to Schober's 2007 letterFunny thing was, we didnt even have a friends list for all MN when the threat was made! Reply: Congrats to all. And yes I mean too and including Lyle, Jerome, and Ray. Knowing somewhat both Jerome and Ray, I don't know why it would be a surprise (except for your prejudice) that they acted on good advice and apparently what they judged to be a well thought out letter. If I were in their shoes, I know I could definitely use some advice and help crafting such a letter. A deadline always helps too. (recent examples: the people we vote to be our representatives in Washington)
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