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Post by sheri01 on May 4, 2023 21:22:29 GMT -5
More of my story… Being sexually molested (especially by a person in power/authority figure) is a terrible tragedy. Being a survivor of a system that historically protects the predators is just as bad if NOT WORSE! I am not sharing to tear anything of God or that which is good down. I’m a Christian and have seen God’s hands at work in miraculous ways throughout my life. There is zero doubt in my mind that God has brought this all to light in his own timing. I’m sharing simply because I’ve been asked to. What was the cause and effect of the second time I was victimized… Being a victim of molestation has a well known life-long impact as do many other tragedies. Some of you may have previously read my story that I’m now expanding upon. My tragedy did not stop when the molestation stopped. In 1986, the second dose of victimization commenced. It was the year I told my parents what had happened, the year I talked to the Tulare County DA’s office, the year Steve Rohs came with Workers to our home to apologize for molesting me, and the year I asked the Workers to go to EVERY home Steve Rohs had ever stayed at as a Worker and ask if their children had been harmed by him. That was NEVER done nor did I EVER get answers to my questioning as to why it was not being done. I felt and WAS unheard. The pleadings of a young girl trying to help and protect others fell upon the deaf ears of Workers. It definitely left me feeling that even though I was the victim, I didn’t matter. Steve’s life was unharmed and unchanged. Yet I, who was innocent of wrong doing, was cast aside. No one took a stand for me. It is VERY harmful when survivors voices are silenced. I was made to feel like what happened to me didn’t matter. As a result, I went on to endure a very abusive 10 year marriage. It was a marriage riddled with physical, mental and emotional abuse. That is not an uncommon path for a survivor of child sexual abuse. By the Grace of God, when I got a divorce I also left the cycle of abuse. However it was thousands of dollars spent on years of counseling, broken relationships, many tears, and a LOT of hard work to get to where I was in 2010. Not ONCE did I receive any support or financial compensation for the cost of professional help. I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars on counseling and countless hours in therapy over the years. Not one time was financial support offered to me from the Workers, let alone an acknowledgment that had it created a hardship on my life. I have, however, been accused of being bitter and angry. At times I have been! Why WOULDN’T someone be bitter and angry after how I’ve being treated? I am NOT the person who has committed the crimes! I’m the innocent one!! I’M the one that should have the support and protection. NOT the pedophile! In 2010, I realized there were still unresolved issues surrounding how I had been victimized the second time. In being silenced and Workers NOT following through on a simple request that would not only help me, it would have prevented other children from being offered as living sacrifices. The message was loud and clear that it was more important to keep the reputation and the image of The Truth intact than to do what was right by the victim and other innocent children that WOULD be, and WERE harmed. So, I did what I had control of and wrote my email to Steve and BCC’d it to 800-900 others in the Truth. I do not recall being acknowledged by one single Worker that had received my email. I had to reach out to the few that would speak to me. I got the run around from the Workers after many calls and emails requesting any additional information including details about why Steve left the work, what had they done to protect their community from him and other pedophiles. I got nothing but the run around. Once again I was silenced, shamed and unheard. The message given and received…. What happened to me and was continuing to happen did not matter! It was a brutal season that followed. To have SO many people aware of what had happened, not just the molestation, but the treatment I received the years following has been very harmful. As a survivor to have spoken up and have nothing done to address handling Child Sex Abuse/Sex Abuse differently was incredibly frustrating. NOTHING was said or done to protect Steve’s children. NOTHING changed even when people were made aware that there was a pedophile in their midst. This is exactly why I will not be silenced! Between January 2023 and today, May 4, 2023, I have had multiple conversations with Workers and Overseers. I have had two phone conversations with Rob Newman, (California Overseer) three phone conversations with Jeff Thayer,(Minnesota Overseer) 5 phone conversations and one in person meeting with Ed Alexander (Former Overseer of AZ, Worker in CA & OR). Like the conversations I had with the Workers in 2010, I pleaded for any information they had regarding my sexual abuse. This year the pleas were urgent so that I might obtain anything that would assist Law Enforcement. On March 24th, Lauren Rohs, daughter and victim of Steve Rohs, had a call with Ed Alexander that he “remembered” he had letters regarding my situation with Steve from Eldon Tenniswood and would get them to her. The next day, she received a text from Ed that he could not speak to her anymore. On April 7th, Lauren and Ed had a call about the letters again. It was arranged to meet with Ed in Shasta City, Ca on April 10 to retrieve them. Ed called Lauren the morning of the 11th and said he realized he didn’t have them, as he had given them to Rob Newman four to five years prior. Lauren and I met with Ed as previously planned and he agreed to text Rob to request them. Rob Newman responded that he was out of state and it would be some time before he could look for the letters. On April 19th, Rob texted Lauren and indicated the letters had been delivered to the Tulare County Sheriff Office with a NEW case number. I had been asking for information and documents such as this for thirteen years. I was not given the courtesy of a phone call, email, or copies of the letters. I learned that Brett Majors was the Worker who delivered the letters to Tulare County after meeting with Rob on April 18th. I contacted Brett on May 1st to request copies of the letters. I called and texted Rob Newman on May 3rd to request copies of the letters. On May 3rd, Brett texted me and informed me the letters were delivered to the Tulare County Sheriff’s Office with no explanation of why they would not provide me with a copy. As a victim of sexual abuse by a Worker, I felt that the VERY LEAST they could do is show me how Eldon Tenniswood had handled it back in 1986. It was my hope the letters would bring a small amount of peace in reading Eldon’s words. However, once again, I, the victim, was not acknowledged, heard, respected or supported. Acions such as these compound the trauma. Never once since 1986 has there ever even been a whisper or an acknowledgment that these letters even existed. Not in 2010 when I made inquiries, nor in the last several months. Funny how all of a sudden they appeared when the "covering up” is FINALLY getting exposed! Nope, not until last week did they appear. NOT to me so that I could see them. What a huge sense of betrayal that has been sweeping over me. I will shout from the rooftops until those involved and complicit in covering up Child Sex Abuse and Sex Abuse are exposed and held accountable. After 37 years I still have not given up! I will not be silenced. I will be heard and I will be a voice for those who have lost theirs for now. I will not stop in my efforts for pedophiles to be exposed therefore stopping the offering of children as living sacrifices to these predators. I wish mine was the only story like this…. Sadly there are countless others that have the exact same story! Hopefully my sharing will help others find their voice. www.advocatesforthetruth.com/about-us
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Post by peggysullivan on May 4, 2023 22:56:51 GMT -5
Thank you Sheri!
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Post by sheri01 on May 5, 2023 8:59:24 GMT -5
Thank you so much for that. Truly appreciate it!
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Post by Umfolozi on May 5, 2023 9:45:44 GMT -5
More of my story… Being sexually molested (especially by a person in power/authority figure) is a terrible tragedy. Being a survivor of a system that historically protects the predators is just as bad if NOT WORSE! I am not sharing to tear anything of God or that which is good down. I’m a Christian and have seen God’s hands at work in miraculous ways throughout my life. There is zero doubt in my mind that God has brought this all to light in his own timing. I’m sharing simply because I’ve been asked to. What was the cause and effect of the second time I was victimized… Being a victim of molestation has a well known life-long impact as do many other tragedies. Some of you may have previously read my story that I’m now expanding upon. My tragedy did not stop when the molestation stopped. In 1986, the second dose of victimization commenced. It was the year I told my parents what had happened, the year I talked to the Tulare County DA’s office, the year Steve Rohs came with Workers to our home to apologize for molesting me, and the year I asked the Workers to go to EVERY home Steve Rohs had ever stayed at as a Worker and ask if their children had been harmed by him. That was NEVER done nor did I EVER get answers to my questioning as to why it was not being done. I felt and WAS unheard. The pleadings of a young girl trying to help and protect others fell upon the deaf ears of Workers. It definitely left me feeling that even though I was the victim, I didn’t matter. Steve’s life was unharmed and unchanged. Yet I, who was innocent of wrong doing, was cast aside. No one took a stand for me. It is VERY harmful when survivors voices are silenced. I was made to feel like what happened to me didn’t matter. As a result, I went on to endure a very abusive 10 year marriage. It was a marriage riddled with physical, mental and emotional abuse. That is not an uncommon path for a survivor of child sexual abuse. By the Grace of God, when I got a divorce I also left the cycle of abuse. However it was thousands of dollars spent on years of counseling, broken relationships, many tears, and a LOT of hard work to get to where I was in 2010. Not ONCE did I receive any support or financial compensation for the cost of professional help. I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars on counseling and countless hours in therapy over the years. Not one time was financial support offered to me from the Workers, let alone an acknowledgment that had it created a hardship on my life. I have, however, been accused of being bitter and angry. At times I have been! Why WOULDN’T someone be bitter and angry after how I’ve being treated? I am NOT the person who has committed the crimes! I’m the innocent one!! I’M the one that should have the support and protection. NOT the pedophile! In 2010, I realized there were still unresolved issues surrounding how I had been victimized the second time. In being silenced and Workers NOT following through on a simple request that would not only help me, it would have prevented other children from being offered as living sacrifices. The message was loud and clear that it was more important to keep the reputation and the image of The Truth intact than to do what was right by the victim and other innocent children that WOULD be, and WERE harmed. So, I did what I had control of and wrote my email to Steve and BCC’d it to 800-900 others in the Truth. I do not recall being acknowledged by one single Worker that had received my email. I had to reach out to the few that would speak to me. I got the run around from the Workers after many calls and emails requesting any additional information including details about why Steve left the work, what had they done to protect their community from him and other pedophiles. I got nothing but the run around. Once again I was silenced, shamed and unheard. The message given and received…. What happened to me and was continuing to happen did not matter! It was a brutal season that followed. To have SO many people aware of what had happened, not just the molestation, but the treatment I received the years following has been very harmful. As a survivor to have spoken up and have nothing done to address handling Child Sex Abuse/Sex Abuse differently was incredibly frustrating. NOTHING was said or done to protect Steve’s children. NOTHING changed even when people were made aware that there was a pedophile in their midst. This is exactly why I will not be silenced! Between January 2023 and today, May 4, 2023, I have had multiple conversations with Workers and Overseers. I have had two phone conversations with Rob Newman, (California Overseer) three phone conversations with Jeff Thayer,(Minnesota Overseer) 5 phone conversations and one in person meeting with Ed Alexander (Former Overseer of AZ, Worker in CA & OR). Like the conversations I had with the Workers in 2010, I pleaded for any information they had regarding my sexual abuse. This year the pleas were urgent so that I might obtain anything that would assist Law Enforcement. On March 24th, Lauren Rohs, daughter and victim of Steve Rohs, had a call with Ed Alexander that he “remembered” he had letters regarding my situation with Steve from Eldon Tenniswood and would get them to her. The next day, she received a text from Ed that he could not speak to her anymore. On April 7th, Lauren and Ed had a call about the letters again. It was arranged to meet with Ed in Shasta City, Ca on April 10 to retrieve them. Ed called Lauren the morning of the 11th and said he realized he didn’t have them, as he had given them to Rob Newman four to five years prior. Lauren and I met with Ed as previously planned and he agreed to text Rob to request them. Rob Newman responded that he was out of state and it would be some time before he could look for the letters. On April 19th, Rob texted Lauren and indicated the letters had been delivered to the Tulare County Sheriff Office with a NEW case number. I had been asking for information and documents such as this for thirteen years. I was not given the courtesy of a phone call, email, or copies of the letters. I learned that Brett Majors was the Worker who delivered the letters to Tulare County after meeting with Rob on April 18th. I contacted Brett on May 1st to request copies of the letters. I called and texted Rob Newman on May 3rd to request copies of the letters. On May 3rd, Brett texted me and informed me the letters were delivered to the Tulare County Sheriff’s Office with no explanation of why they would not provide me with a copy. As a victim of sexual abuse by a Worker, I felt that the VERY LEAST they could do is show me how Eldon Tenniswood had handled it back in 1986. It was my hope the letters would bring a small amount of peace in reading Eldon’s words. However, once again, I, the victim, was not acknowledged, heard, respected or supported. Acions such as these compound the trauma. Never once since 1986 has there ever even been a whisper or an acknowledgment that these letters even existed. Not in 2010 when I made inquiries, nor in the last several months. Funny how all of a sudden they appeared when the "covering up” is FINALLY getting exposed! Nope, not until last week did they appear. NOT to me so that I could see them. What a huge sense of betrayal that has been sweeping over me. I will shout from the rooftops until those involved and complicit in covering up Child Sex Abuse and Sex Abuse are exposed and held accountable. After 37 years I still have not given up! I will not be silenced. I will be heard and I will be a voice for those who have lost theirs for now. I will not stop in my efforts for pedophiles to be exposed therefore stopping the offering of children as living sacrifices to these predators. I wish mine was the only story like this…. Sadly there are countless others that have the exact same story! Hopefully my sharing will help others find their voice. www.advocatesforthetruth.com/about-usThanks for sharing Sherri.I am so sorry that you had to go through this, this should never have happened but it did. Please tell us when you have time how God has helped you through it all. The other day my neighbor called, she could here my questions, sadness ect. regarding CSA She then told me that she is a survivor of it and how God has helped her through it. She said if she had hold on to the bitterness( which is understandable!!!!) she would not be the joyfull person she is today, she said when she talkes about it now, its like it never happened to her. She has truely been healed. What I don't get is how parents that knew about their children being abused didn't take it to the authorities? That would have prevented other's from suffering the same abuse!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 10:53:50 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Sherri.I am so sorry that you had to go through this, this should never have happened but it did. Please tell us when you have time how God has helped you through it all. The other day my neighbor called, she could here my questions, sadness ect. regarding CSA She then told me that she is a survivor of it and how God has helped her through it. She said if she had hold on to the bitterness( which is understandable!!!!) she would not be the joyfull person she is today, she said when she talkes about it now, its like it never happened to her. She has truely been healed. What I don't get is how parents that knew about their children being abused didn't take it to the authorities? That would have prevented other's from suffering the same abuse! Hard to say. I'm pretty sure that some were like me, totally ignorant of the LAW passed in about 1974? Making it illegal not to report such when found out to the LAW. I found out after 2014 that was the LAW.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 5, 2023 11:23:25 GMT -5
Wally can you pm me please . A worker has questions
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Post by Umfolozi on May 5, 2023 11:43:20 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Sherri.I am so sorry that you had to go through this, this should never have happened but it did. Please tell us when you have time how God has helped you through it all. The other day my neighbor called, she could here my questions, sadness ect. regarding CSA She then told me that she is a survivor of it and how God has helped her through it. She said if she had hold on to the bitterness( which is understandable!!!!) she would not be the joyfull person she is today, she said when she talkes about it now, its like it never happened to her. She has truely been healed. What I don't get is how parents that knew about their children being abused didn't take it to the authorities? That would have prevented other's from suffering the same abuse! Hard to say. I'm pretty sure that some were like me, totally ignorant of the LAW passed in about 1974? Making it illegal not to report such when found out to the LAW. I found out after 2014 that was the LAW. Thanks for trying to explain Wally but I still don't get why parent's won't go to the police when a child tells them about this?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 5, 2023 11:47:06 GMT -5
Many people don’t realize they should report or how to go about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 11:48:10 GMT -5
Hard to say. I'm pretty sure that some were like me, totally ignorant of the LAW passed in about 1974? Making it illegal not to report such when found out to the LAW. I found out after 2014 that was the LAW. Thanks for trying to explain Wally but I still don't get why parent's won't go to the police when a child tells them about this? It would have probably been considered immoral not illegal. Hence the going to only the workers all the time at best.
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Post by mountain on May 5, 2023 12:45:43 GMT -5
Hard to say. I'm pretty sure that some were like me, totally ignorant of the LAW passed in about 1974? Making it illegal not to report such when found out to the LAW. I found out after 2014 that was the LAW. Thanks for trying to explain Wally but I still don't get why parent's won't go to the police when a child tells them about this? The answer is simple. The workers act for God on Earth. They are more important than Governments, police or whoever. Take things to the workers first. Their approval in what you do is all important.
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Post by deepdeep on May 5, 2023 12:48:10 GMT -5
Thanks for trying to explain Wally but I still don't get why parent's won't go to the police when a child tells them about this? The answer is simple. The workers act for God on Earth. They are more important than Governments, police or whoever. Take things to the workers first. Their approval in what you do is all important. Too many regular folk (non 2x2) also don't go to the police for this to be the reason.
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Post by snow on May 5, 2023 14:57:03 GMT -5
Hard to say. I'm pretty sure that some were like me, totally ignorant of the LAW passed in about 1974? Making it illegal not to report such when found out to the LAW. I found out after 2014 that was the LAW. Thanks for trying to explain Wally but I still don't get why parent's won't go to the police when a child tells them about this? This is something I do not understand either. If my kids came to me and told me something like that, that person would not be safe from me. I would go to the police immediately then I would pay them a visit. They would know that the police had been informed and if they ever came close to my children again they would regret it. I'm a pretty passive person, don't like confrontation at all (learned that early in the 2x2 church), but when it comes to my children I will fight. So how these parents could ignore what their children were telling them is so beyond me it's incomprehensible. I didn't fight for myself years ago at 17 and I should have.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 16:20:22 GMT -5
Wally can you pm me please . A worker has questions Do I dare?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 5, 2023 16:25:09 GMT -5
Wally can you pm me please . A worker has questions Do I dare? I will not growl or swear and then you can block me again .
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Post by mountain on May 5, 2023 16:25:36 GMT -5
The answer is simple. The workers act for God on Earth. They are more important than Governments, police or whoever. Take things to the workers first. Their approval in what you do is all important. Too many regular folk (non 2x2) also don't go to the police for this to be the reason. The reasons for non reporting across society are varied. In no way does this negate the reason stated for the 2x2s. However it is appreciated this will not be so for every case, but sycophancy and subservience do predominate.
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Post by deepdeep on May 5, 2023 18:01:52 GMT -5
Too many regular folk (non 2x2) also don't go to the police for this to be the reason. The reasons for non reporting across society are varied. In no way does this negate the reason stated for the 2x2s. However it is appreciated this will not be so for every case, but sycophancy and subservience do predominate. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. The amount of SA that goes unreported is shockingly high. I believe estimates are that 9 in ten cases of child sexual abuse go unreported. Maybe the effect you are describing matters... But the background rate of unreported CSA is too high to wave your hands and ignore what goes on in society at large.
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Post by mountain on May 5, 2023 19:02:22 GMT -5
The reasons for non reporting across society are varied. In no way does this negate the reason stated for the 2x2s. However it is appreciated this will not be so for every case, but sycophancy and subservience do predominate. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. The amount of SA that goes unreported is shockingly high. I believe estimates are that 9 in ten cases of child sexual abuse go unreported. Maybe the effect you are describing matters... But the background rate of unreported CSA is too high to wave your hands and ignore what goes on in society at large. You are misunderstanding me. I am very much aware of what goes on in general society. What I was discussing is what goes on in the 2x2 sect. Turning one's attention to general society can be a distraction from the ongoing abuse matters coming to light within the 2x2 sect and the peculiar factors which result in many of the unreported cases within the sect.
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Post by jane on May 5, 2023 19:09:40 GMT -5
Thank you Sheri. I appreciate your bravery and willingness to share your story. It helps me to understand the scope of the workers unwillingness to help. And just how these things have gone on for so long. It also shows that while some workers are empathic and maybe want to help--they are discouraged and even forbidden to help. Everyone passes it on to the next person. It's infuriating. again...thank you for sharing.
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Post by rob on May 5, 2023 23:42:03 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Sherri.I am so sorry that you had to go through this, this should never have happened but it did. Please tell us when you have time how God has helped you through it all. The other day my neighbor called, she could here my questions, sadness ect. regarding CSA She then told me that she is a survivor of it and how God has helped her through it. She said if she had hold on to the bitterness( which is understandable!!!!) she would not be the joyfull person she is today, she said when she talkes about it now, its like it never happened to her. She has truely been healed. What I don't get is how parents that knew about their children being abused didn't take it to the authorities? That would have prevented other's from suffering the same abuse! Hard to say. I'm pretty sure that some were like me, totally ignorant of the LAW passed in about 1974? Making it illegal not to report such when found out to the LAW. I found out after 2014 that was the LAW. Yes, “totally ignorant” is a perfect description of the majority of workers, and subsequently the people who listen to their distorted interpretation of KJV. Leviticus 5:1 covers this issue succinctly, actually Leviticus covers everything a person needs to know to enable them to live as proper people in a family, and society. But, to understand the wisdom it contains, you have to first put it into context relevant to the circumstances and time, and understand that Hebrews think Function, not Form, as we Europeans do. Unfortunately, those keys to harnessing the wisdom in that ancient book are issues that most modern people are ignorant of, and religion has totally corrupted the intended wisdom and advice that it contains. If the workers, understood those unchanging moral truths contained in just this one book, none of the stuff that they are trying to deal with now would have occurred, and society in general would be a totally different place. Religion is actually evil for what it’s continuing to do to “Ignorant” people, some don’t know they are ignorant, but, as is says somewhere else in scripture, some, including most workers are “will fully ignorant “
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 23:46:55 GMT -5
Hard to say. I'm pretty sure that some were like me, totally ignorant of the LAW passed in about 1974? Making it illegal not to report such when found out to the LAW. I found out after 2014 that was the LAW. Yes, “totally ignorant” is a perfect description of the majority of workers, and subsequently the people who listen to their distorted interpretation of KJV. Leviticus 5:1 covers this issue succinctly, actually Leviticus covers everything a person needs to know to enable them to live as proper people in a family, and society. But, to understand the wisdom it contains, you have to first put it into context relevant to the circumstances and time, and understand that Hebrews think Function, not Form, as we Europeans do. Unfortunately, those keys to harnessing the wisdom in that ancient book are issues that most modern people are ignorant of, and religion has totally corrupted the intended wisdom and advice that it contains. If the workers, understood those unchanging moral truths contained in just this one book, none of the stuff that they are trying to deal with now would have occurred, and society in general would be a totally different place. Religion is actually evil for what it’s continuing to do to “Ignorant” people, some don’t know they are ignorant, but, as is says somewhere else in scripture, some, including most workers are “will fully ignorant “ So, you think the Jews were perfect under the Law? I seem to remember God having to hammer them frequently. Try again. I forgot you are another Hebraic mindset chuckite cult follower...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 5, 2023 23:50:29 GMT -5
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. The amount of SA that goes unreported is shockingly high. I believe estimates are that 9 in ten cases of child sexual abuse go unreported. Maybe the effect you are describing matters... But the background rate of unreported CSA is too high to wave your hands and ignore what goes on in society at large. You are misunderstanding me. I am very much aware of what goes on in general society. What I was discussing is what goes on in the 2x2 sect. Turning one's attention to general society can be a distraction from the ongoing abuse matters coming to light within the 2x2 sect and the peculiar factors which result in many of the unreported cases within the sect. I agree. too many times we hear about other peoples crimes. Whataboutism does not work in real life. Dealing with what is around ones personal space is the best place to make a start in bringing about change.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 0:01:24 GMT -5
You are misunderstanding me. I am very much aware of what goes on in general society. What I was discussing is what goes on in the 2x2 sect. Turning one's attention to general society can be a distraction from the ongoing abuse matters coming to light within the 2x2 sect and the peculiar factors which result in many of the unreported cases within the sect. I agree. too many times we hear about other peoples crimes. Whataboutism does not work in real life. Dealing with what is around ones personal space is the best place to make a start in bringing about change. In the real world if we want the moral position, it would be best to have your own house, tribe, people, folks, country, clan, village or whatever label you prefer in order first. That would be the intent of whataboutism.
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Post by rob on May 6, 2023 1:21:21 GMT -5
Yes, “totally ignorant” is a perfect description of the majority of workers, and subsequently the people who listen to their distorted interpretation of KJV. Leviticus 5:1 covers this issue succinctly, actually Leviticus covers everything a person needs to know to enable them to live as proper people in a family, and society. But, to understand the wisdom it contains, you have to first put it into context relevant to the circumstances and time, and understand that Hebrews think Function, not Form, as we Europeans do. Unfortunately, those keys to harnessing the wisdom in that ancient book are issues that most modern people are ignorant of, and religion has totally corrupted the intended wisdom and advice that it contains. If the workers, understood those unchanging moral truths contained in just this one book, none of the stuff that they are trying to deal with now would have occurred, and society in general would be a totally different place. Religion is actually evil for what it’s continuing to do to “Ignorant” people, some don’t know they are ignorant, but, as is says somewhere else in scripture, some, including most workers are “will fully ignorant “ So, you think the Jews were perfect under the Law? I seem to remember God having to hammer them frequently. Try again. I forgot you are another Hebraic mindset chuckite cult follower... Just because someone else wasn’t “perfect under the law” in your view, doesn’t mean that we should ignore the wisdom it contains on how to live as a decent person in proper relationship with everyone and everything in our lives. Once you get the context of this ancient wisdom, it becomes obvious that the New Testament writings are a commentary on how that guidance looks and works in human lives. And all of the advice points to the ultimate representation of the Divine, in the Christ. I have personally witnessed workers, and others, mocking those who at least have a basic understanding of the usefulness this ancient wisdom offers to us today. Being proud of their ignorance is certainly coming home to bite them now, and you sir are a typical 2x2 who is infected with their own rightness. I’ve been there, but luckily life experiences taught me that being addicted to being right is just like any other addiction, it ruins your life, and the lives of others around you, and one will never come to understand the beauty in Hebrew scripture with that attitude.
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Post by mountain on May 6, 2023 3:18:08 GMT -5
You are misunderstanding me. I am very much aware of what goes on in general society. What I was discussing is what goes on in the 2x2 sect. Turning one's attention to general society can be a distraction from the ongoing abuse matters coming to light within the 2x2 sect and the peculiar factors which result in many of the unreported cases within the sect. I agree. too many times we hear about other peoples crimes. Whataboutism does not work in real life. Dealing with what is around ones personal space is the best place to make a start in bringing about change. You rightly but perhaps unwittingly, attest to the fact that a person's personal environment has a great influence on behaviour and thinking, being it work environment, domestic environment, cultural environment and spiritual environment, etc. In my time the 2x2 sect was often governed by 'what the workers might say, or what the workers might think. Such considerations chart one's own thinking and actions accordingly. Yet the workers may know nothing about the subject under consideration and may not even agree with the conclusions if they did. A better safe than sorry attitude prevails amongst the laity, often based on supposition and imagination. This is the result of unhealthy, adverse cultic influences.
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Post by deepdeep on May 6, 2023 4:35:13 GMT -5
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. The amount of SA that goes unreported is shockingly high. I believe estimates are that 9 in ten cases of child sexual abuse go unreported. Maybe the effect you are describing matters... But the background rate of unreported CSA is too high to wave your hands and ignore what goes on in society at large. You are misunderstanding me. I am very much aware of what goes on in general society. What I was discussing is what goes on in the 2x2 sect. Turning one's attention to general society can be a distraction from the ongoing abuse matters coming to light within the 2x2 sect and the peculiar factors which result in many of the unreported cases within the sect. I am probably more ignorant of the 2x2 group than I thought. The answer you gave to the following question: ".....but I still don't get why parent's won't go to the police when a child tells them about this?" Was the description of the 2x2 mindset as follows: "The answer is simple. The workers act for God on Earth. They are more important than Governments, police or whoever. Take things to the workers first." If you are right, and the simple answer you describe is the reason 2x2 CSA goes unreported, what would happen if that attitude you describe had not been prevalent? Is this a group of people who would otherwise be far better at reporting CSA than the general public? Or perhaps the reporting rate of CSA within the 2x2 membership is markedly worse than non 2x2 CSA... Though to be meaningfully worse than 9 out of 10 incidents going unreported seems unlikely. I'm just leery of "broad brush" statements about causality in about any situation. The reasons things are the way they are is something we all try to understand because that is the first step in changing it. We tend to rely on our own anecdotal experience in explaining what we see going on around us because there is really no better alternative. The problem in this way of thinking is that does not get us very close to real causality. Anyways... Thank you for putting up with my nattering questioning.
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Post by mountain on May 6, 2023 4:58:25 GMT -5
You are misunderstanding me. I am very much aware of what goes on in general society. What I was discussing is what goes on in the 2x2 sect. Turning one's attention to general society can be a distraction from the ongoing abuse matters coming to light within the 2x2 sect and the peculiar factors which result in many of the unreported cases within the sect. I am probably more ignorant of the 2x2 group than I thought. The answer you gave to the following question: ".....but I still don't get why parent's won't go to the police when a child tells them about this?" Was the description of the 2x2 mindset as follows: "The answer is simple. The workers act for God on Earth. They are more important than Governments, police or whoever. Take things to the workers first." If you are right, and the simple answer you describe is the reason 2x2 CSA goes unreported, what would happen if that attitude you describe had not been prevalent? Is this a group of people who would otherwise be far better at reporting CSA than the general public? Or perhaps the reporting rate of CSA within the 2x2 membership is markedly worse than non 2x2 CSA... Though to be meaningfully worse than 9 out of 10 incidents going unreported seems unlikely. I'm just leery of "broad brush" statements about causality in about any situation. The reasons things are the way they are is something we all try to understand because that is the first step in changing it. We tend to rely on our own anecdotal experience in explaining what we see going on around us because there is really no better alternative. The problem in this way of thinking is that does not get us very close to real causality. Anyways... Thank you for putting up with my nattering questioning. There are many reasons why people don't report CSA and other abuses (generally speaking). However, as explained in another post, environmental factors do have a significant influence in this. In the past where a child was battered by an abusive father or a wife suffered same, family members often went into denial mode in order to preserve the family which was most often dependent upon the providing by the abuser. That's just one example. You are trying to find a one fix understanding which does not apply. Cultural and spiritual influences often apply. In the 2x2 sect the laity are dependent upon the workers for their salvation. That is like an abusive father relationship. They are also dependent upon the 'insular' way, from which they must not depart. Denial of what may be going on, even in serious matters, is a measure to preserve our position in the group/family. It's good to realise that people are strange and often selfish beings. If you are on the wrong end of things in such situations, don't look for support or justice, you are more likely to increase your suffering. That's the way it was. Hopefully we have had enough of that.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 10:28:55 GMT -5
So, you think the Jews were perfect under the Law? I seem to remember God having to hammer them frequently. Try again. I forgot you are another Hebraic mindset chuckite cult follower... Just because someone else wasn’t “perfect under the law” in your view, doesn’t mean that we should ignore the wisdom it contains on how to live as a decent person in proper relationship with everyone and everything in our lives. Once you get the context of this ancient wisdom, it becomes obvious that the New Testament writings are a commentary on how that guidance looks and works in human lives. And all of the advice points to the ultimate representation of the Divine, in the Christ. I have personally witnessed workers, and others, mocking those who at least have a basic understanding of the usefulness this ancient wisdom offers to us today. Being proud of their ignorance is certainly coming home to bite them now, and you sir are a typical 2x2 who is infected with their own rightness. I’ve been there, but luckily life experiences taught me that being addicted to being right is just like any other addiction, it ruins your life, and the lives of others around you, and one will never come to understand the beauty in Hebrew scripture with that attitude. The Holy Spirit is what we need not opinions like chuckites. You said it would have never happened or have been in our current ugly situation if we would have done it OT style, I just proved you wrong. Suck it up Hebraic scholar.
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