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Post by mdm on May 10, 2023 10:17:33 GMT -5
An ex sister worker posted this yesterday on Facebook (it's a public post): I’ve been wanting to post something for a couple months but I’ve been thinking and praying about this because I want it to be right. I’m disappointed. And broken-hearted. And angry. Enough is enough. When you establish a power structure (whether you meant to or not) and then pretend there is no power structure, it opens a door that allows predatory and other destructive behaviors to go unchecked. Open communication and transparency are necessary for checks and balances… how about let’s try that instead of victim shaming and “mercy” for the perpetrators of these crimes? Because they are crimes. And while I fully believe that the blood of Jesus is sufficient for the salvation of anyone who shelters under it, that does NOT remove the consequences of actions. When we see evil happening and do nothing we are part of the problem. I’ve stood by and watched from the sidelines for too long. Over and over and over I’ve heard stories of people being mistreated by their coworkers and just being told to “let it go” or “this is part of learning to forebear” Or when it happened to me assuming I was the problem… I know I’m not alone. What hurts the most is that these men and women are supposed to be carrying the most precious treasure and responsibility, sharing the gospel of Christ and caring for His people. My deepest concern in all of this is that people who have trusted in these men and women will lose their faith in God as a result of the wrong. Please let the God of all comfort heal your wounds, and draw you closer into His love as you face this experience. God is so much bigger than all of this nonsense. I would love to have a real conversation with anyone who wants to talk about it. Feel free to share Ezekiel 34:1-31 NLT bible.com/bible/116/ezk.34.1-31.NLT |
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Post by neighbour on May 10, 2023 10:47:12 GMT -5
An ex sister worker posted this yesterday on Facebook (it's a public post): I’ve been wanting to post something for a couple months but I’ve been thinking and praying about this because I want it to be right. I’m disappointed. And broken-hearted. And angry. Enough is enough. When you establish a power structure (whether you meant to or not) and then pretend there is no power structure, it opens a door that allows predatory and other destructive behaviors to go unchecked. Open communication and transparency are necessary for checks and balances… how about let’s try that instead of victim shaming and “mercy” for the perpetrators of these crimes? Because they are crimes. And while I fully believe that the blood of Jesus is sufficient for the salvation of anyone who shelters under it, that does NOT remove the consequences of actions. When we see evil happening and do nothing we are part of the problem. I’ve stood by and watched from the sidelines for too long. Over and over and over I’ve heard stories of people being mistreated by their coworkers and just being told to “let it go” or “this is part of learning to forebear” Or when it happened to me assuming I was the problem… I know I’m not alone. What hurts the most is that these men and women are supposed to be carrying the most precious treasure and responsibility, sharing the gospel of Christ and caring for His people. My deepest concern in all of this is that people who have trusted in these men and women will lose their faith in God as a result of the wrong. Please let the God of all comfort heal your wounds, and draw you closer into His love as you face this experience. God is so much bigger than all of this nonsense. I would love to have a real conversation with anyone who wants to talk about it. Feel free to share Ezekiel 34:1-31 NLT bible.com/bible/116/ezk.34.1-31.NLTThose verses linked at the end are very hard-hitting. |
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Post by Admin on May 10, 2023 15:59:37 GMT -5
An ex sister worker posted this yesterday on Facebook (it's a public post): I’ve been wanting to post something for a couple months but I’ve been thinking and praying about this because I want it to be right. I’m disappointed. And broken-hearted. And angry. ..... Feel free to share Ezekiel 34:1-31 NLT bible.com/bible/116/ezk.34.1-31.NLTThose are the words of God, the God we Christians on here serve, and relate to and know as our heavenly father and creator. How do we make contact with this ex sister worker? |
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Post by Admin on May 10, 2023 16:05:04 GMT -5
There seems to be a trickle of input starting on this issue by sister workers (current and former), including our very own rebekah. Perhaps God will see that the tap is turned full on. |
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Post by luke2236 on May 10, 2023 18:01:24 GMT -5
An ex sister worker posted this yesterday on Facebook (it's a public post): I’ve been wanting to post something for a couple months but I’ve been thinking and praying about this because I want it to be right. I’m disappointed. And broken-hearted. And angry. Enough is enough. When you establish a power structure (whether you meant to or not) and then pretend there is no power structure, it opens a door that allows predatory and other destructive behaviors to go unchecked. Open communication and transparency are necessary for checks and balances… how about let’s try that instead of victim shaming and “mercy” for the perpetrators of these crimes? Because they are crimes. And while I fully believe that the blood of Jesus is sufficient for the salvation of anyone who shelters under it, that does NOT remove the consequences of actions. When we see evil happening and do nothing we are part of the problem. I’ve stood by and watched from the sidelines for too long. Over and over and over I’ve heard stories of people being mistreated by their coworkers and just being told to “let it go” or “this is part of learning to forebear” Or when it happened to me assuming I was the problem… I know I’m not alone. What hurts the most is that these men and women are supposed to be carrying the most precious treasure and responsibility, sharing the gospel of Christ and caring for His people. My deepest concern in all of this is that people who have trusted in these men and women will lose their faith in God as a result of the wrong. Please let the God of all comfort heal your wounds, and draw you closer into His love as you face this experience. God is so much bigger than all of this nonsense. I would love to have a real conversation with anyone who wants to talk about it. Feel free to share Ezekiel 34:1-31 NLT bible.com/bible/116/ezk.34.1-31.NLTThose verses linked at the end are very hard-hitting. This is so well said and will be ignored by way too many as angry banter from a lost sheep. |
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Post by bfvernon on May 10, 2023 18:37:03 GMT -5
I’m happy to talk about it. I only require respectful dialogue. However, I don’t see how the system can change because fundamentally it relies on the absolute power of the Workers and then the subservience of the flock. If they fixed up their theology, all that would disappear. If the group imploded, what would happen to the millions squirrelled away? I’d be happy to see the money vanish into wherever, because it’s serving no eternal purpose, but others may not agree.
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Post by luke2236 on May 10, 2023 18:40:31 GMT -5
I’m happy to talk about it. I only require respectful dialogue. However, I don’t see how the system can change because fundamentally it relies on the absolute power of the Workers and then the subservience of the flock. If they fixed up their theology, all that would disappear. If the group imploded, what would happen to the millions squirrelled away? I’d be happy to see the money vanish into wherever, because it’s serving no eternal purpose, but others may not agree. I agree with you. |
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Post by mountain on May 11, 2023 2:53:15 GMT -5
I’m happy to talk about it. I only require respectful dialogue. However, I don’t see how the system can change because fundamentally it relies on the absolute power of the Workers and then the subservience of the flock. If they fixed up their theology, all that would disappear. If the group imploded, what would happen to the millions squirrelled away? I’d be happy to see the money vanish into wherever, because it’s serving no eternal purpose, but others may not agree. If the power and control of the workers are reduced and if proper measures are brought in to reduce temptation and opportunity for abuses, the whole system will collapse. It will not survive in a 'reduced' format. It is a shame really for there are many honourable aspects to it, but these are outweighed by the downsides which must be addressed. |
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Post by BobWilliston on May 11, 2023 17:26:07 GMT -5
I’m happy to talk about it. I only require respectful dialogue. However, I don’t see how the system can change because fundamentally it relies on the absolute power of the Workers and then the subservience of the flock. If they fixed up their theology, all that would disappear. If the group imploded, what would happen to the millions squirrelled away? I’d be happy to see the money vanish into wherever, because it’s serving no eternal purpose, but others may not agree. Exactly. They preach a hierarchy: male, female elder, younger worker, friend let's not discuss ethnicity |
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Post by BobWilliston on May 11, 2023 17:29:35 GMT -5
I’m happy to talk about it. I only require respectful dialogue. However, I don’t see how the system can change because fundamentally it relies on the absolute power of the Workers and then the subservience of the flock. If they fixed up their theology, all that would disappear. If the group imploded, what would happen to the millions squirrelled away? I’d be happy to see the money vanish into wherever, because it’s serving no eternal purpose, but others may not agree. If the power and control of the workers are reduced and if proper measures are brought in to reduce temptation and opportunity for abuses, the whole system will collapse. It will not survive in a 'reduced' format. It is a shame really for there are many honourable aspects to it, but these are outweighed by the downsides which must be addressed. Actually, the whole system will work far better if the criminal elements are dealt with by appropriate legal systems. All that needs to be done is appropriate attitudes about the law. |
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 11, 2023 17:40:19 GMT -5
I’m happy to talk about it. I only require respectful dialogue. However, I don’t see how the system can change because fundamentally it relies on the absolute power of the Workers and then the subservience of the flock. If they fixed up their theology, all that would disappear. If the group imploded, what would happen to the millions squirrelled away? I’d be happy to see the money vanish into wherever, because it’s serving no eternal purpose, but others may not agree. Perhaps it's time for those millions to be dispersed to all the victims of this organisation in compensation. |
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Post by bfvernon on May 11, 2023 19:46:51 GMT -5
A great idea. But, that group doesn’t have a very good track record for doing things fairly, above board and with equity.
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 19:56:35 GMT -5
Just a reminder, the subject of this thread is 'Sister Workers'.
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Post by Dan on May 11, 2023 21:41:52 GMT -5
I’m happy to talk about it. I only require respectful dialogue. However, I don’t see how the system can change because fundamentally it relies on the absolute power of the Workers and then the subservience of the flock. If they fixed up their theology, all that would disappear. If the group imploded, what would happen to the millions squirrelled away? I’d be happy to see the money vanish into wherever, because it’s serving no eternal purpose, but others may not agree. Perhaps it's time for those millions to be dispersed to all the victims of this organisation in compensation.
Millions!! I just remembered, I'm a victim too, so sign me up  |
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Post by luke2236 on May 11, 2023 21:56:50 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time for those millions to be dispersed to all the victims of this organisation in compensation.
Millions!! I just remembered, I'm a victim too, so sign me up I don’t care if there is $200. Go for it. |
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Post by snow on May 12, 2023 13:02:39 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time for those millions to be dispersed to all the victims of this organisation in compensation. Millions!! I just remembered, I'm a victim too, so sign me up If you are not a victim that is one of the most insensitive things I have heard. You don't believe that survivors of CSA or SA by workers should not be helped with the cost of their therapy? Are you a victim of CSA? If not, I am quite disgusted with your flippant attitude towards those that have been scarred for life. |
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Post by Dan on May 12, 2023 15:28:53 GMT -5
Millions!! I just remembered, I'm a victim too, so sign me up If you are not a victim that is one of the most insensitive things I have heard. You don't believe that survivors of CSA or SA by workers should not be helped with the cost of their therapy? Are you a victim of CSA? If not, I am quite disgusted with your flippant attitude towards those that have been scarred for life.
Twas a joke... Try to lighten up!
Where did I suggest that victims weren't entitled to hire a shrink and be compensated for it? Your reading more into my post than what's there.
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Post by Grant on May 12, 2023 15:36:46 GMT -5
If you are not a victim that is one of the most insensitive things I have heard. You don't believe that survivors of CSA or SA by workers should not be helped with the cost of their therapy? Are you a victim of CSA? If not, I am quite disgusted with your flippant attitude towards those that have been scarred for life. Twas a joke... Try to lighten up! Where did I suggest that victims weren't entitled to hire a shrink and be compensated for it? Your reading more into my post than what's there.
Your attitude towards specialists working in the field of trauma by calling them a shrink shows. Have you ever been to counseling or would you ever go? I guess you'd go to a doctor for a physical issue but you seem to have a different attitude about going for an emotional or psychological issue. Do you have the same problem when someone goes to a doctor if they have been injured by a drunk driver as you do when someone has a psychological injury due to being abused by someone? Or another example would be do you think it's OK to go to the doctor for an injury through abuse but not go to a therapist for help for the emotional trauma associated with the event? |
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Post by snow on May 12, 2023 15:50:39 GMT -5
If you are not a victim that is one of the most insensitive things I have heard. You don't believe that survivors of CSA or SA by workers should not be helped with the cost of their therapy? Are you a victim of CSA? If not, I am quite disgusted with your flippant attitude towards those that have been scarred for life. Twas a joke... Try to lighten up! Where did I suggest that victims weren't entitled to hire a shrink and be compensated for it? Your reading more into my post than what's there.
You're right you never said victims weren't entitled to compensation. When you said 'millions' I'm a victim too' I read that to mean that people were just claiming to be victims to get the money. I'm sorry that I can't take this lightly. I guess I'm too close to the issue to be able to lighten up. If you were joking, and I knew you were, you need to know that there is nothing funny about it for those of us that are survivors of abuse and have spent a lot of money throughout our lives trying to get some peace. |
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Post by Dan on May 12, 2023 16:11:26 GMT -5
Twas a joke... Try to lighten up! Where did I suggest that victims weren't entitled to hire a shrink and be compensated for it? Your reading more into my post than what's there.
Your attitude towards specialists working in the field of trauma by calling them a shrink shows. Have you ever been to counseling or would you ever go? I guess you'd go to a doctor for a physical issue but you seem to have a different attitude about going for an emotional or psychological issue. Do you have the same problem when someone goes to a doctor if they have been injured by a drunk driver as you do when someone has a psychological injury due to being abused by someone? Or another example would be do you think it's OK to go to the doctor for an injury through abuse but not go to a therapist for help for the emotional trauma associated with the event?
Sorry for not referring to a psychologist, psychiatrist, or therapist by their proper names. 'Shrink' just covers the entire spectrum of mental health professionals, it was just slang and not an attitude. No different than referring to a sanitary engineer as a trash man or a mechanic as a grease monkey.. Your both taking it too seriously, consider that a little humor can be psychologically therapeutic.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 18:31:55 GMT -5
Your attitude towards specialists working in the field of trauma by calling them a shrink shows. Have you ever been to counseling or would you ever go? I guess you'd go to a doctor for a physical issue but you seem to have a different attitude about going for an emotional or psychological issue. Do you have the same problem when someone goes to a doctor if they have been injured by a drunk driver as you do when someone has a psychological injury due to being abused by someone? Or another example would be do you think it's OK to go to the doctor for an injury through abuse but not go to a therapist for help for the emotional trauma associated with the event?
Sorry for not referring to a psychologist, psychiatrist, or therapist by their proper names. 'Shrink' just covers the entire spectrum of mental health professionals, it was just slang and not an attitude. No different than referring to a sanitary engineer as a trash man or a mechanic as a grease monkey.. Your both taking it too seriously, consider that a little humor can be psychologically therapeutic.
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Post by Grant on May 12, 2023 19:11:53 GMT -5
Sorry for not referring to a psychologist, psychiatrist, or therapist by their proper names. 'Shrink' just covers the entire spectrum of mental health professionals, it was just slang and not an attitude. No different than referring to a sanitary engineer as a trash man or a mechanic as a grease monkey.. Your both taking it too seriously, consider that a little humor can be psychologically therapeutic.
Agreed, I got it, most everyone is wound tight at the moment... Calling people derogatory names is putting them down which is a form of abuse at any time. I can understand you feeling uptight at the moment as you belong to the fellowship but keep it respectful. Name calling depersonalizes someone and makes it easier to abuse them especially in partner relationships. |
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Post by magpies39plus on May 12, 2023 20:36:22 GMT -5
Our small State.. I know of several past/present Homo/lesbian Preachers (who hide their sexual leanings in the unbiblical celibate ministries) 7 I can name. That includes the 2 who were jailed in recent times. The worst is the mentally disorderd "PAEDOPHILES". Every now and then these run out of Countries and States they are transfered to.All the years that I was trapped in the Irvine Doctorine Bill Carrol had us registered as "The Christian Assemblies of Australia" and they in that name "owned"the Dandenong Convention grounds,sold up by Auction in that name. So the Preachers lied making us liars not Saints didn't they??? Now,yes I can speak with authority as a victim molested as a young fella by "2" only true servants. Imagine how we the victims feel every time they speak from the platform?? Yes both male/female Homo/Lesbian and Paedophiles. ! Corinthians 9 v 3/7 Don't just read it,weigh it up!!!
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Post by openingact34 on May 12, 2023 21:09:40 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time for those millions to be dispersed to all the victims of this organisation in compensation. The gospel of grace says that the millions should be used to buy the head preacher a private jet. |
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Post by peggysullivan on May 12, 2023 22:44:11 GMT -5
Your attitude towards specialists working in the field of trauma by calling them a shrink shows. Have you ever been to counseling or would you ever go? I guess you'd go to a doctor for a physical issue but you seem to have a different attitude about going for an emotional or psychological issue. Do you have the same problem when someone goes to a doctor if they have been injured by a drunk driver as you do when someone has a psychological injury due to being abused by someone? Or another example would be do you think it's OK to go to the doctor for an injury through abuse but not go to a therapist for help for the emotional trauma associated with the event?
Sorry for not referring to a psychologist, psychiatrist, or therapist by their proper names. 'Shrink' just covers the entire spectrum of mental health professionals, it was just slang and not an attitude. No different than referring to a sanitary engineer as a trash man or a mechanic as a grease monkey.. Your both taking it too seriously, consider that a little humor can be psychologically therapeutic.
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Post by jonathan on May 13, 2023 1:11:09 GMT -5
Our small State.. I know of several past/present Homo/lesbian Preachers (who hide their sexual leanings in the unbiblical celibate ministries) 7 I can name. That includes the 2 who were jailed in recent times. The worst is the mentally disorderd "PAEDOPHILES". Every now and then these run out of Countries and States they are transfered to.All the years that I was trapped in the Irvine Doctorine Bill Carrol had us registered as "The Christian Assemblies of Australia" and they in that name "owned"the Dandenong Convention grounds,sold up by Auction in that name. So the Preachers lied making us liars not Saints didn't they??? Now,yes I can speak with authority as a victim molested as a young fella by "2" only true servants. Imagine how we the victims feel every time they speak from the platform?? Yes both male/female Homo/Lesbian and Paedophiles. ! Corinthians 9 v 3/7 Don't just read it,weigh it up!!! Good day magpies, Reading your story pains my heart. False preachers claiming to be true destroyed your trust, and caused a lot of other damage too to you. A very clear example of wolves in sheep's clothing! Yes, I can relate to the feeling in your heart when you see and hear them take part in meetings. What arrogance fro them to expect you to merely accept what they've done! One of the possible results this whole cleaning out that is going on now can have, is to cause people to focus more on themselves and their personal relationship with God. I accept the workers will begin to feature less and less prominent. Which is a very good thing, because "I must decrease so He can increase". Instead of servants they've become lords. Physics says what goes up must come down, right? |
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Post by mountain on May 13, 2023 3:34:55 GMT -5
Our small State.. I know of several past/present Homo/lesbian Preachers (who hide their sexual leanings in the unbiblical celibate ministries) 7 I can name. That includes the 2 who were jailed in recent times. The worst is the mentally disorderd "PAEDOPHILES". Every now and then these run out of Countries and States they are transfered to.All the years that I was trapped in the Irvine Doctorine Bill Carrol had us registered as "The Christian Assemblies of Australia" and they in that name "owned"the Dandenong Convention grounds,sold up by Auction in that name. So the Preachers lied making us liars not Saints didn't they??? Now,yes I can speak with authority as a victim molested as a young fella by "2" only true servants. Imagine how we the victims feel every time they speak from the platform?? Yes both male/female Homo/Lesbian and Paedophiles. ! Corinthians 9 v 3/7 Don't just read it,weigh it up!!! Good day magpies, Reading your story pains my heart. False preachers claiming to be true destroyed your trust, and caused a lot of other damage too to you. A very clear example of wolves in sheep's clothing! Yes, I can relate to the feeling in your heart when you see and hear them take part in meetings. What arrogance fro them to expect you to merely accept what they've done! One of the possible results this whole cleaning out that is going on now can have, is to cause people to focus more on themselves and their personal relationship with God. I accept the workers will begin to feature less and less prominent. Which is a very good thing, because "I must decrease so He can increase". Instead of servants they've become lords. Physics says what goes up must come down, right? Good supportive response to Magz, Jonathan. I am wondering about the effect all the recent disclosures will have on all the true workers, especially those young in the work? Also the same with regards to the friends? How can anyone of integrity wish to remain part of that system? After all, staying the course identifies you with it. I expect many to step down or leave the way altogether. Mind you, the Catholic Church managed to brush off far worse, dust themselves down and keep going. |
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Post by jonathan on May 13, 2023 5:34:50 GMT -5
Thank you Mountain,
Allow me to first state that I understand what you mean with "good workers". However, we should not use this term as some can be offended by it because the Lord Jesus Himself said that "there is none good, save one, that is, God"
Luke 18:18-19
:18And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
:19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
I like to think of them as the true workers, not the reprobate ones that are being exposed now.
Titus 1:15-16
:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
With 250+ under investigation, and possibly this number has increased since it was first announced, all of us will have to accept this has a profound impact of which the full extent is still to be seen and felt.
We have seen on this forum a certain worker refusing to take a stand against abuse; refusing to take a stand against perverts perpetrators and predators. He has since gone cold. Seems the current of reality was too big for him to swim against and he either drowned or got out.
The good workers, like you refer to them, I like to think of them as true and not reprobate (Titus 1:15-16) are each dealing with this in his/her own way. They're also at different stages at this. Must also tell you, they don't go through the stages in the same order. Some are more surprised than others, some have worked through anger already and some are still trying to. However, one thing that is very clear is that they're all for the truth to come out. However painful it might be.
I think most of the people who have been affected negatively, have left already. A big reason good be they had no recourse. They were trapped in a situation where those who were supposed to care for them were rather thinking of themselves. (Ezekiel 34 speaks much to this) These people ost their confidence in the oversight and left as they had no hope.
We must reasonably accept not all instances of abuse will come to light, and possibly there could continue to be new cases. But if the known and reported cases can be dealt with properly, and we see guilty workers and overseers removed from the work and fellowship, there will be no reason for the good workers to leave.
If the sick and dead branches are cut out, the good and healthy branches can still produce good fruit of they abide in the Lord.
John 15:1-6
:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
We already see oversight in some places taking a strong stand of zero tolerance on all forms of abuse. The days of abusers being harbored and protected are over, and this is very important.
Some of the friends are concerned what damage this is doing to the Kingdom? My answer is simply that the damage has been done already, we're just learning every day more about how wide and how high this has been. Every new act of abuse and every new effort of covering something up is what damages the Kingdom. Not the effort to have it dealt with in a right and proper way.
Someone else was worried what's going to happen if we loose so many overseers? Progress, is my answer. Nobody is irreplaceable. God's Kingdom is far greater than any individual, or any number of individuals.
The true workers are sad fir the abuse that had taken place, and happy that it is being brought to the surface. In a way, a worker does make a sacrifice to leave all and go into the work. It's possible it has cost some more than others. I'm not comparing with others, but I know what it had cost me, and what it still costs me, so I'm totally appalled at what has been taking place. To me both the abuse, the cover-ups and the arrogance to continue in their positions is like making a joke of the true sacrifice of a true worker.
So, the true workers are happy to see the process unfold. We don't glee in the sorrow or embarrassment of others. We rejoice in truth.
1 Corinthians 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth
It is our desire and plea that all who have information that is relevant to this cause, to have the courage and liberty to come forward and report, in confidence, to the Private Investigator Cynthia Liles.
It is the truth that will set us free!
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
The true workers, or like you refer to them as the good workers, are looking forward to the new book after this horrendous old book is closed.
They find their comfort, hope and purpose in John 15:8-17
:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Not all the true workers had first-hand knowledge of the abuse that has been going on. Some had heard whispers. Some heard of cover-ups, and some not. They're not divided along these lines, so to speak, but rather united in a single view that the abuse and cover-ups have to stop, the cleaning process and due process of law must be allowed to take place unhindered so that we can get to a better place than where we were, say before the news of Dean Bruer broke.
Personally, I feel very encouraged and very hopeful that a better future is possible. Hard work awaits is, adjustments will have to be made but it will all be worth it when we come out stronger.
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