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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 3:30:09 GMT -5
Most Workers toe the line, the problem is with oversight, which is lacking, dysfunctional, and ineffective. When a Worker was using church funds to set-up his own personal bordello at a Best Western Motel, its clear that there was no control. Bruer should have been detected and ousted long before it reached a boiling point.
A bigger problem is that allegations of sexual misconduct were being swept under the rug for 'the kingdoms sake'.. Jesus never trained his disciples to hide or ignore problems, he tackled them head-on, his assessment of the 7 churches in Revelation was all about correction. I'm sure he would not be pleased with the top echelon of bad influences infiltrating the church today.
Victims remaining quiet for decades is another contributing factor, you don't hide, you speak out against monstrosities for the kingdoms sake.
I'm guessing that +90% of the standards are being upheld by everyone in the Truth. Hopefully a clean-up crew will restore things with proper oversight and no longer facilitate repetitive abusers by simply moving them to different hunting grounds.
Judgement begins at the pulpit (1 Peter 4:17), Victims have tried to speak out but were shut down, blamed, lied about, not believed, too traumatized or kicked out. Stop blaming the victims.
Where exactly did I blame a victim? I was encouraging them to speak out instead of keeping it hidden. Some do, but others kept silent for decades. I'm aware that those who did were ignored and I agree that's the bigger problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 9:27:21 GMT -5
Victims have tried to speak out but were shut down, blamed, lied about, not believed, too traumatized or kicked out. Stop blaming the victims.
Where exactly did I blame a victim? I was encouraging them to speak out instead of keeping it hidden. Some do, but others kept silent for decades. I'm aware that those who did were ignored and I agree that's the bigger problem.
As of late? No rhyme or reason from enuf. Wouldn't worry about it...
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Post by SharonArnold on Jun 19, 2023 13:52:50 GMT -5
Give me complete control for 30 days and I'll have this whole thing cleaned-up and operating like a smooth running machine. Spot on.... Dan has my vote... I would also vote for this. I know I am a little poop-disturber from the word go, but I would even pay to see this! My money would be on Dan to make more of a difference in 30 days, than what has been done in the past 3 decades. Go Dan! (What an interesting thought experiment!)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 19, 2023 14:18:58 GMT -5
Spot on.... Dan has my vote... I would also vote for this. I know I am a little poop-disturber from the word go, but I would even pay to see this! My money would be on Dan to make more of a difference in 30 days, than what has been done in the past 3 decades. Go Dan! (What an interesting thought experiment!) A vote for Dan is a vote for victim blaming.
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 14:44:20 GMT -5
Spot on.... Dan has my vote... I would also vote for this. I know I am a little poop-disturber from the word go, but I would even pay to see this! My money would be on Dan to make more of a difference in 30 days, than what has been done in the past 3 decades. Go Dan! (What an interesting thought experiment!)
My sister told me that she was told not to be in a room with a child alone, so perhaps they've already instituted one of the rules I previously suggested to prevent future CSA.
No single Worker is allowed to be alone with a child or adolescent. They can't travel, be in a house, or even a room, alone with a child. This for is the protection of the Workers as well. If there's always a third person, there's always a witness to any hanky panky.
My other suggestion hasn't materialized, which was to assign 3 people (1 male & 2 females) to monitor all financial transactions, and to be given independent authority to question any individual about possible monetary malfeasance, such as motel or escort service billings.
Can't change the past, but they can stop CSA in its tracks today.
Adult SA is another story, I haven't figured that one out yet, a resolution to that is a bit above my pay grade. But as Paul said, "But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion" (1 Corinthians 7:9 NIV). He didn't say to leave and get married? So maybe Workers could marry and meet-up 3 or 4 times a year to satisfy their primitive urges, instead of eyeballing children. I'm totally unqualified to make that call, but I'm guessing they'll stick with the 'Keep your pants and skirts on at all times' rule.
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 15:00:58 GMT -5
I would also vote for this. I know I am a little poop-disturber from the word go, but I would even pay to see this! My money would be on Dan to make more of a difference in 30 days, than what has been done in the past 3 decades. Go Dan! (What an interesting thought experiment!) A vote for Dan is a vote for victim blaming.
Name a victim that I've blamed for anything? Otherwise your just spewing hot air again. My only comment that you've chosen to misconstrue is that not every adult who willingly chooses to fornicate is a victim. An aggressive woman wanting to get laid is as much a sinner as a man, and not automatically classified as a new member of victim-hood. Children are 100% innocent, I've never insinuated or blamed them for anything. Quote it if you think I did?
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2023 15:13:28 GMT -5
I'm not victim blaming, I just don't view willing adult participants as victims. Gullible maybe, but it takes 2 to tango. A horny man can't fornicate without a naughty woman. It's not so black and white Dan. Thankfully the law in many jurisdictions takes power imbalance into account.
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 15:31:34 GMT -5
I'm not victim blaming, I just don't view willing adult participants as victims. Gullible maybe, but it takes 2 to tango. A horny man can't fornicate without a naughty woman. It's not so black and white Dan. Thankfully the law in many jurisdictions takes power imbalance into account.
True, I recognize that the one with the power/authority has an obligation to exercise self-discipline. An underling can be made to feel obligated and thereby is more easily exploited. But I have also seen young ladies subtlety come-on to younger male Workers, so manipulation is not always a one way street. But your correct, the preacher is obligated to rise above it and resist all sexual exploitation.
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Post by Grant on Jun 19, 2023 15:39:35 GMT -5
Victims have tried to speak out but were shut down, blamed, lied about, not believed, too traumatized or kicked out. Stop blaming the victims. Where exactly did I blame a victim? I was encouraging them to speak out instead of keeping it hidden. Some do, but others kept silent for decades. I'm aware that those who did were ignored and I agree that's the bigger problem.
You wrote, Victims remaining quiet for decades is another contributing factor, you don't hide, you speak out. Victims have a right to choose. No one has the right to place that burden on to the victim. Enough has been placed on them already. Choice is the key word. Choice was taken from them when they were abused. It is their choice whether to report what happened to them or not. As I said above there are many reasons victims do not report. If it happens to someone else then we have an obligation to report it. Having an intermediatory person like Advocates for truth is very helpful. Going to the police on one's own and through a court case can be very traumatic.
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Post by snow on Jun 19, 2023 15:46:48 GMT -5
Where exactly did I blame a victim? I was encouraging them to speak out instead of keeping it hidden. Some do, but others kept silent for decades. I'm aware that those who did were ignored and I agree that's the bigger problem.
You wrote, Victims remaining quiet for decades is another contributing factor, you don't hide, you speak out. Victims have a right to choose. No one has the right to place that burden on to the victim. Enough has been placed on them already. Choice is the key word. Choice was taken from them when they were abused. It is their choice whether to report what happened to them or not. As I said above there are many reasons victims do not report. If it happens to someone else then we have an obligation to report it. Having an intermediatory person like Advocates for truth is very helpful. Going to the police on one's own and through a court case can be very traumatic. Yes. Thank you enuf
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Post by Grant on Jun 19, 2023 15:53:21 GMT -5
I would also vote for this. I know I am a little poop-disturber from the word go, but I would even pay to see this! My money would be on Dan to make more of a difference in 30 days, than what has been done in the past 3 decades. Go Dan! (What an interesting thought experiment!) My sister told me that she was told not to be in a room with a child alone, so perhaps they've already instituted one of the rules I previously suggested to prevent future CSA.
No single Worker is allowed to be alone with a child or adolescent. They can't travel, be in a house, or even a room, alone with a child. This for is the protection of the Workers as well. If there's always a third person, there's always a witness to any hanky panky. My other suggestion hasn't materialized, which was to assign 3 people (1 male & 2 females) to monitor all financial transactions, and to be given independent authority to question any individual about possible monetary malfeasance, such as motel or escort service billings.
Can't change the past, but they can stop CSA in its tracks today. Adult SA is another story, I haven't figured that one out yet, a resolution to that is a bit above my pay grade. But as Paul said, "But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion" (1 Corinthians 7:9 NIV). He didn't say to leave and get married? So maybe Workers could marry and meet-up 3 or 4 times a year to satisfy their primitive urges, instead of eyeballing children. I'm totally unqualified to make that call, but I'm guessing they'll stick with the 'Keep your pants and skirts on at all times' rule.
Using words like hanky panky minimizes the abuse. Perpetrators would delight in telling victims it's just a bit of hanky panky. It's sexual abuse not hanky panky. Your use of language about a very serious problem concerns me at times Dan.
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 15:53:56 GMT -5
Where exactly did I blame a victim? I was encouraging them to speak out instead of keeping it hidden. Some do, but others kept silent for decades. I'm aware that those who did were ignored and I agree that's the bigger problem.
You wrote, Victims remaining quiet for decades is another contributing factor, you don't hide, you speak out. Victims have a right to choose. No one has the right to place that burden on to the victim. Enough has been placed on them already. Choice is the key word. Choice was taken from them when they were abused. It is their choice whether to report what happened to them or not. As I said above there are many reasons victims do not report. If it happens to someone else then we have an obligation to report it. Having an intermediatory person like Advocates for truth is very helpful. Going to the police on one's own and through a court case can be very traumatic.
I'm aware of victim sensitivity and reluctance to report abuse.. Perhaps I didn't phrase my thoughts appropriately. I just meant that some who wait decades to speak out make it more difficult to prosecute or prove abuse. And their refusal to report it is a contributing factor which enables an abuser to continue creating additional victims. I agree that the parents should be the intermediator help that a young victim needs to pursue an offender.
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 15:59:09 GMT -5
My sister told me that she was told not to be in a room with a child alone, so perhaps they've already instituted one of the rules I previously suggested to prevent future CSA.
No single Worker is allowed to be alone with a child or adolescent. They can't travel, be in a house, or even a room, alone with a child. This for is the protection of the Workers as well. If there's always a third person, there's always a witness to any hanky panky. My other suggestion hasn't materialized, which was to assign 3 people (1 male & 2 females) to monitor all financial transactions, and to be given independent authority to question any individual about possible monetary malfeasance, such as motel or escort service billings.
Can't change the past, but they can stop CSA in its tracks today. Adult SA is another story, I haven't figured that one out yet, a resolution to that is a bit above my pay grade. But as Paul said, "But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion" (1 Corinthians 7:9 NIV). He didn't say to leave and get married? So maybe Workers could marry and meet-up 3 or 4 times a year to satisfy their primitive urges, instead of eyeballing children. I'm totally unqualified to make that call, but I'm guessing they'll stick with the 'Keep your pants and skirts on at all times' rule.
Using words like hanky panky minimizes the abuse. Perpetrators would delight in telling victims it's just a bit of hanky panky. It's sexual abuse not hanky panky. Your use of language about a very serious problem concerns me at times Dan.
Well don't be so prissy... Again my point was that if a third person is always on the scene, the initiation of abuse won't likely surpass the 'hanky panky' stage, because it would likely be stopped in its tracks at inappropriate touching.
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2023 16:02:28 GMT -5
Where exactly did I blame a victim? I was encouraging them to speak out instead of keeping it hidden. Some do, but others kept silent for decades. I'm aware that those who did were ignored and I agree that's the bigger problem.
You wrote, Victims remaining quiet for decades is another contributing factor, you don't hide, you speak out. Victims have a right to choose. No one has the right to place that burden on to the victim. Enough has been placed on them already. Choice is the key word. Choice was taken from them when they were abused. It is their choice whether to report what happened to them or not. As I said above there are many reasons victims do not report. If it happens to someone else then we have an obligation to report it. Having an intermediatory person like Advocates for truth is very helpful. Going to the police on one's own and through a court case can be very traumatic. Yes, it can be very traumatic. And even after the perpetrator has been sent to prison there are workers and friends who still blame the victim and support the perpetrator.
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Post by Grant on Jun 19, 2023 16:05:15 GMT -5
Using words like hanky panky minimizes the abuse. Perpetrators would delight in telling victims it's just a bit of hanky panky. It's sexual abuse not hanky panky. Your use of language about a very serious problem concerns me at times Dan. Well don't be so prissy... Again my point was that if a third person is always on the scene, the initiation of abuse won't likely surpass the 'hanky panky' stage, because it would likely be stopped in its tracks at inappropriate touching.
It's inappropriate touching not hanky panky. Name it for what it is. Inappropriate touching is sexual abuse It's not being prissy. Stop minimizing it. I can imagine an abuser saying it was just a bit of hanky panky. I advise you to take a course such as the Minstry Safe program to educate yourself.
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Post by snow on Jun 19, 2023 16:10:22 GMT -5
You wrote, Victims remaining quiet for decades is another contributing factor, you don't hide, you speak out. Victims have a right to choose. No one has the right to place that burden on to the victim. Enough has been placed on them already. Choice is the key word. Choice was taken from them when they were abused. It is their choice whether to report what happened to them or not. As I said above there are many reasons victims do not report. If it happens to someone else then we have an obligation to report it. Having an intermediatory person like Advocates for truth is very helpful. Going to the police on one's own and through a court case can be very traumatic. I'm aware of victim sensitivity and reluctance to report abuse.. Perhaps I didn't phrase my thoughts appropriately. I just meant that some who wait decades to speak out make it more difficult to prosecute or prove abuse. And their refusal to report it is a contributing factor which enables an abuser to continue creating additional victims. I agree that the parents should be the intermediator help that a young victim needs to pursue an offender.
I have thought about that all my life. Why didn't I have the courage to report and go through the trial. I know that my being scared probably contributed to him abusing more women and I have to live with that. So on top of the trauma of the rape I have to live with the fact I was too much of a coward to go through the process. But I totally understand why I didn't and why many survivors don't. Your choice of words saying 'their refusal to report' does come across as blaming the survivor. We did what we were capable of doing. I don't think you meant that, but I just wanted to point that out as a survivor myself that did not report. I never viewed is as refusing to report, I just wasn't able, not strong enough.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 19, 2023 16:35:42 GMT -5
Well don't be so prissy... Again my point was that if a third person is always on the scene, the initiation of abuse won't likely surpass the 'hanky panky' stage, because it would likely be stopped in its tracks at inappropriate touching.
It's inappropriate touching not hanky panky. Name it for what it is. Inappropriate touching is sexual abuse It's not being prissy. Stop minimizing it. I can imagine an abuser saying it was just a bit of hanky panky. I advise you to take a course such as the Minstry Safe program to educate yourself. And I suggest you apply your learnings to the actions of God and his minions as documented in the Holy Bible.
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 16:56:29 GMT -5
<abbr data-timestamp="1687209022000" class="o-timestamp time" title="Jun 19, 2023 16:10:22 GMT -5">Jun 19, 2023 16:10:22 GMT -5</abbr> snow said: I have thought about that all my life. Why didn't I have the courage to report and go through the trial. I know that my being scared probably contributed to him abusing more women and I have to live with that. So on top of the trauma of the rape I have to live with the fact I was too much of a coward to go through the process. But I totally understand why I didn't and why many survivors don't. Your choice of words saying 'their refusal to report' does come across as blaming the survivor. We did what we were capable of doing. I don't think you meant that, but I just wanted to point that out as a survivor myself that did not report. I never viewed is as refusing to report, I just wasn't able, not strong enough.
Understood, I'll try to edit myself going forward and use the correct terminology. Hanky panky to me is just the initiation process of fooling around, I never meant it as a substitute phrase for sexual abuse, but just how the grooming process begins. I'm not a minister and have some common sense, so the ministry safe program isn't applicable.
And I should have just wrote 'unreported' instead of 'refusal to report', didn't mean to lay a guilt trip on anyone. I understand its an embarrassing and personal violation that takes nerves of steel to go public with.
Its some unknown holiday here that they just invented, so I'm only on here cuz I'm bored today . Its 93 degrees fahrenheit (34 celsius) in here because our A/C is out, so diligently using the correct phraseology isn't easy.
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2023 16:58:53 GMT -5
I'm aware of victim sensitivity and reluctance to report abuse.. Perhaps I didn't phrase my thoughts appropriately. I just meant that some who wait decades to speak out make it more difficult to prosecute or prove abuse. And their refusal to report it is a contributing factor which enables an abuser to continue creating additional victims. I agree that the parents should be the intermediator help that a young victim needs to pursue an offender.
I have thought about that all my life. Why didn't I have the courage to report and go through the trial. I know that my being scared probably contributed to him abusing more women and I have to live with that. So on top of the trauma of the rape I have to live with the fact I was too much of a coward to go through the process. But I totally understand why I didn't and why many survivors don't. Your choice of words saying 'their refusal to report' does come across as blaming the survivor. We did what we were capable of doing. I don't think you meant that, but I just wanted to point that out as a survivor myself that did not report. I never viewed is as refusing to report, I just wasn't able, not strong enough. It's not easy, and there's no guarantee of a conviction as we can see in the recent example below... Most nights, when she's trying to get to sleep, Olivia hears the words of the lawyer at her rape trial, his voice drumming in her head. "My client would say you asked for it," it says. "He'd say you were moaning at the thought of it." "You're lying, aren't you, Olivia? You lied two years ago and you're lying today." "Why don't you just tell everyone what really happened?" "Have you no morals? Do you have no morals, Olivia, that you can get up here and lie in front of all these people?" "My client would say he was the one who asked you to leave and you wouldn't." "He would say that he walked you to your car to make sure you got home safely." "He would say that he gave you money to go and get yourself some dinner since he didn't feed you." "My client would say that you unbuttoned your shirt for him." www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/my-rapist-was-found-not-guilty-young-woman-horrified-and-revictimised-during-trial/ZQOY4SSTBVMKJ2NXQDZFEQRFEQ/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 17:01:06 GMT -5
A vote for Dan is a vote for victim blaming.
Name a victim that I've blamed for anything? Otherwise your just spewing hot air again. My only comment that you've chosen to misconstrue is that not every adult who willingly chooses to fornicate is a victim. An aggressive woman wanting to get laid is as much a sinner as a man, and not automatically classified as a new member of victim-hood. Children are 100% innocent, I've never insinuated or blamed them for anything. Quote it if you think I did?
Curly's not the brightest bulb in the box, he's been in the woods alone for too long...
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Post by Dan on Jun 19, 2023 17:01:56 GMT -5
It's inappropriate touching not hanky panky. Name it for what it is. Inappropriate touching is sexual abuse It's not being prissy. Stop minimizing it. I can imagine an abuser saying it was just a bit of hanky panky. I advise you to take a course such as the Minstry Safe program to educate yourself. And I suggest you apply your learnings to the actions of God and his minions as documented in the Holy Bible.
Huh? Thanks for encouraging me to take heed to a book that you don't even believe in.. My learnings! Its been a party folks, but I'm going someplace cool, these fans just aren't making it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 17:05:01 GMT -5
Where exactly did I blame a victim? I was encouraging them to speak out instead of keeping it hidden. Some do, but others kept silent for decades. I'm aware that those who did were ignored and I agree that's the bigger problem.
You wrote, Victims remaining quiet for decades is another contributing factor, you don't hide, you speak out. Victims have a right to choose. No one has the right to place that burden on to the victim. Enough has been placed on them already. Choice is the key word. Choice was taken from them when they were abused. It is their choice whether to report what happened to them or not. As I said above there are many reasons victims do not report. If it happens to someone else then we have an obligation to report it. Having an intermediatory person like Advocates for truth is very helpful. Going to the police on one's own and through a court case can be very traumatic. Totally understand how horrible it is, but not saying anything is the perfect storm for dozens of more victims to get the same exact thing...and here we are for many reasons...It's not the same thing but it's the same result as shuffling the pedo's around.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 19, 2023 17:20:35 GMT -5
And I suggest you apply your learnings to the actions of God and his minions as documented in the Holy Bible.
Huh? Thanks for encouraging me to take heed to a book that you don't even believe in.. My learnings! Its been a party folks, but I'm going someplace cool, these fans just aren't making it.
Did I say I don't believe in it? Any Christian will tell you that there is no such thing as an atheist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 17:27:08 GMT -5
I have thought about that all my life. Why didn't I have the courage to report and go through the trial. I know that my being scared probably contributed to him abusing more women and I have to live with that. So on top of the trauma of the rape I have to live with the fact I was too much of a coward to go through the process. But I totally understand why I didn't and why many survivors don't. Your choice of words saying 'their refusal to report' does come across as blaming the survivor. We did what we were capable of doing. I don't think you meant that, but I just wanted to point that out as a survivor myself that did not report. I never viewed is as refusing to report, I just wasn't able, not strong enough. It's not easy, and there's no guarantee of a conviction as we can see in the recent example below... Most nights, when she's trying to get to sleep, Olivia hears the words of the lawyer at her rape trial, his voice drumming in her head. "My client would say you asked for it," it says. "He'd say you were moaning at the thought of it." "You're lying, aren't you, Olivia? You lied two years ago and you're lying today." "Why don't you just tell everyone what really happened?" "Have you no morals? Do you have no morals, Olivia, that you can get up here and lie in front of all these people?" "My client would say he was the one who asked you to leave and you wouldn't." "He would say that he walked you to your car to make sure you got home safely." "He would say that he gave you money to go and get yourself some dinner since he didn't feed you." "My client would say that you unbuttoned your shirt for him." www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/my-rapist-was-found-not-guilty-young-woman-horrified-and-revictimised-during-trial/ZQOY4SSTBVMKJ2NXQDZFEQRFEQ/Without video there is no way to know. Even with the current alleged HUGE wave of pedo's and hiders in the truth are we really going to guilty until proven innocent? What do you think a defense attorney should say/ask on behalf of his accused client if innocent? "Ah, your right he/she did it?" what's your definition of innocent until proven guilty? Finding out the truth can be a very painful process for either side on this issue. This is no fun for anyone. I've dumped like 90% of my he/she said is always false. You and anyone who might take a similar stance with he/she said is always true, should think about it. Except for predators of opportunity pedo's rarely stop with 1 victim. If NO ONE reports, then it continues as we can see, is there any solution to NO ONE reporting? None that I can see. Yes, God will get them but we all know NO ONE likes that solution, there are hundreds of posts here to attest to that, believer and unbeliever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 17:28:01 GMT -5
Huh? Thanks for encouraging me to take heed to a book that you don't even believe in.. My learnings! Its been a party folks, but I'm going someplace cool, these fans just aren't making it.
Did I say I don't believe in it? Any Christian will tell you that there is no such thing as an atheist. What?
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2023 18:07:04 GMT -5
You and anyone who might take a similar stance with he/she said is always true, should think about it. When did I say that?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2023 19:38:10 GMT -5
There is no such thing as consensual sex if a brother worker or older sister worker is involved. The power is with these individuals and therefore any relationship is not consensual. The only way it could be considered consensual is if the people with power resigned their positions first. And then asked for consent. Some governments and churches and businesses have laws and policies about this power imbalance. I'll take some flak. Not gonna agree 100% with this for adults. Unless there is an actual stated threat of "or else" no one can make you say yes. That may be how some law is worded no doubt. I agree with you. The term "consensual" is a legal term, and shouldn't be used for adult workers. But you're quite welcome to call it "immoral", according to 2x2 moral code.
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Post by rebekah on Jun 19, 2023 20:34:20 GMT -5
I would also vote for this. I know I am a little poop-disturber from the word go, but I would even pay to see this! My money would be on Dan to make more of a difference in 30 days, than what has been done in the past 3 decades. Go Dan! (What an interesting thought experiment!)
My sister told me that she was told not to be in a room with a child alone, so perhaps they've already instituted one of the rules I previously suggested to prevent future CSA.
No single Worker is allowed to be alone with a child or adolescent. They can't travel, be in a house, or even a room, alone with a child. This for is the protection of the Workers as well. If there's always a third person, there's always a witness to any hanky panky.
My other suggestion hasn't materialized, which was to assign 3 people (1 male & 2 females) to monitor all financial transactions, and to be given independent authority to question any individual about possible monetary malfeasance, such as motel or escort service billings.
Can't change the past, but they can stop CSA in its tracks today.
Adult SA is another story, I haven't figured that one out yet, a resolution to that is a bit above my pay grade. But as Paul said, "But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion" (1 Corinthians 7:9 NIV). He didn't say to leave and get married? So maybe Workers could marry and meet-up 3 or 4 times a year to satisfy their primitive urges, instead of eyeballing children. I'm totally unqualified to make that call, but I'm guessing they'll stick with the 'Keep your pants and skirts on at all times' rule.
Hi Dan, that rule about not being alone in a room with children is also in the ministry safe classes that most of us now take …. And we have been supposed to be implementing that for quite some time.
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