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Post by rudyw on Mar 24, 2023 22:21:22 GMT -5
More confirmation Wings for Truth Working to INform Guide and Support Those Who Have Been Sexually Abused Within the Fellowship of Friends and Workers Menu Skip to content MARCH 24, 2023 BY WINGSFORTRUTH Letter From Overseer Regarding Dean Bruer Thank you, Fixit. |
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Post by rudyw on Mar 24, 2023 22:39:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry. Dean was in the neighbouring state so it wouldn't have concerned you. I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2023 22:44:42 GMT -5
I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. What a change in you from the braying you were doing about transexuals. |
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Post by verna on Mar 24, 2023 22:48:43 GMT -5
I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. I am not gloating RudyW. I am quite distressed actually. I am kind of surprised and concerned that there may be those who are not distressed by it. Of course I am, I guess, in a position where I have heard a lot about this situation.I guess others have not and so they are skeptical. |
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Post by rudyw on Mar 24, 2023 23:16:41 GMT -5
Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. I am not gloating RudyW. I am quite distressed actually. I am kind of surprised and concerned that there may be those who are not distressed by it. Of course I am, I guess, in a position where I have heard a lot about this situation.I guess others have not and so they are skeptical. Then don’t goad Wally over this. We all distressed over this, 2x2s and former 2x2s. This should not be a ‘we’ against ‘then’ situation. Wally, as well as I and others are simply waiting for verification. Unfortunately, the situation is looking grim. Please, let’s not make this a ‘Wally vs. us’ thing, because it’s not. |
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Post by rudyw on Mar 24, 2023 23:18:49 GMT -5
Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. What a change in you from the braying you were doing about transexuals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 23:44:59 GMT -5
you are in full damage control mode because your golden calf has screwed someone else over yet again..... I've made no excuses for CSA in the 2x2's, good job lying about it though...God is watching... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 23:49:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry. Dean was in the neighbouring state so it wouldn't have concerned you. I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... |
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Post by chuck on Mar 25, 2023 0:34:28 GMT -5
I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... Its all over bookface, laptop has been handed into the cops, dont see why the person who reported this would lie.... "Sheriff has confirmed that the laptop was handed in this morning. If you’re like me you can breathe a sigh of relief that a case is open. Edited to add: Clackamas County Sheriff's office can be reached at 503-655-8211 for victims or information regarding the case. Case number is 23-006111." |
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Post by rudyw on Mar 25, 2023 0:56:08 GMT -5
Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. What a change in you from the braying you were doing about transexuals. Not sure what’change’ I’ve made. I still think that CSA is a bad thing, whether done by a 2x2, a transsexual, or an atheist. The only braying I hear around is from you. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 25, 2023 1:15:23 GMT -5
Unless you truly believe that all transsexuals somehow transcend the sin of pedophilia, in which case you are very naïve. Paedophilia is not a sin. CSA is a sin. |
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Post by rudyw on Mar 25, 2023 1:20:11 GMT -5
Unless you truly believe that all transsexuals somehow transcend the sin of pedophilia, in which case you are very naïve. Paedophilia is not a sin. CSA is a sin. ? I hope I misunderstand your post. Can you please elaborate? I think I’m not understanding y. |
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Post by rudyw on Mar 25, 2023 1:30:50 GMT -5
What a change in you from the braying you were doing about transexuals. I have never claimed that CSA hasn’t happened in my church. The transsexual post initially had nothing to do with CSA. If you go back and look at the thread, you are the one who posted things about pedophilia, and TWICE i posted that your replies had nothing to do with transsexuals. The initial post simply had to do with with whether an individual can actually change their gender, and some other issues regarding the transsexual movement (social issues). I have never denied that predators are in my church. So, your gloating is ridiculous. CSA is a universal problem, from 2x2 workers, to transvestites, to RC Priests, to atheists. No segment of society is free from predators. So give everyone a break and stop gloating. It just shows that you’re pompous. Unless you truly believe that all transsexuals somehow transcend the sin of pedophilia, in which case you are very naïve. And YOU were the one who first posted about CSA on that thread, not me or anyone else. You brought it up, not me. So, please back off. Transsexualism was brought up as an issue all to itself, and not as a CSA issue. You made it a CSA issue by posting those URLs. |
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Post by chuck on Mar 25, 2023 2:19:02 GMT -5
So im curious, im sure lots of people thought Dean was up in heaven, what was it that that made people think that?. And if whatever that was is not actually a reliable thing for getting to heaven does that not ring any alarm bells??.....
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 25, 2023 2:19:21 GMT -5
you are in full damage control mode because your golden calf has screwed someone else over yet again..... I've made no excuses for CSA in the 2x2's, good job lying about it though...God is watching... Which raises the point that if Dean Bruer thought that God was watching and that he would burn for all eternity for what he was up to, he certainly wouldn't have done any of it. Which leaves the only logical conclusion that he didn't believe in God or eternity, he simply found a platform to fulfill his perverted desires, the rest was simply theatrics. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 25, 2023 2:19:47 GMT -5
Paedophilia is not a sin. CSA is a sin. ? I hope I misunderstand your post. Can you please elaborate? I think I’m not understanding y. Paedophilia is a diagnosed psychiatric disorder, not a crime and not a sin. Child sexual abuse is both a crime and a sin. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 2:53:20 GMT -5
I agree. Who would believe a letter a worker wrote?? Bob, you’re smarter than that. You missed Wally’s point completely. Yes, I am smarter than that. What I wrote to Wally was irony. And you missed my point. Wally's the one who is advising people not to believe what the workers wrote to the elders. But come to think about it -- one might have suspicion about the truth of it, considering that reading it was restricted to a special group and the contents were not to be discussed. I recall learning that a local person was asked why the worker wouldn't put something in writing, and the reason given was that they may change their mind (or story.. who knows in that case). Then again, maybe Wally's jealous that he didn't get it from the workers too. Who knows? Anyway, what could Wally possibly be trying to protect poor old Dean from at this point. Wally has a penchant for not believing proofs. He probably still believes the election was stolen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 2:53:41 GMT -5
I've made no excuses for CSA in the 2x2's, good job lying about it though...God is watching... Which raises the point that if Dean Bruer thought that God was watching and that he would burn for all eternity for what he was up to, he certainly wouldn't have done any of it. Which leaves the only logical conclusion that he didn't believe in God or eternity, he simply found a platform to fulfill his perverted desires, the rest was simply theatrics. Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. |
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Post by rob on Mar 25, 2023 3:01:07 GMT -5
I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. No it’s not something to gloat over, but it is the inevitable result of judging a person’s worth by their religious performance. And the system and performers which 2x2’s worship is largely based around issues which don’t matter a fig in determining the real content of a person’s character. It’s well said in scripture, “By their fruits you shall know them”. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:02:00 GMT -5
I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. Who's gloating? Wally has condemned so many of us to hell that it's about time he's confronted with his own defensive words in favor of some miscreant, simply because he was a worker. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:06:37 GMT -5
I am not gloating RudyW. I am quite distressed actually. I am kind of surprised and concerned that there may be those who are not distressed by it. Of course I am, I guess, in a position where I have heard a lot about this situation.I guess others have not and so they are skeptical. Then don’t goad Wally over this. We all distressed over this, 2x2s and former 2x2s. This should not be a ‘we’ against ‘then’ situation. Wally, as well as I and others are simply waiting for verification. Unfortunately, the situation is looking grim. Please, let’s not make this a ‘Wally vs. us’ thing, because it’s not. Wally is selective in his acceptance of "verification". Dean being a worker, Wally will be anticipating a "fake news style" decision on the workers' accusations of Dean. It's not about Dean -- it's about Wally's condescending and contemptible attitude to those outside his religiopolitical subculture. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:09:16 GMT -5
I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... Get off the proverbial fence. Ask your workers if it's true, then share the answer with us. If you really want to tell us the truth. |
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Post by verna on Mar 25, 2023 3:10:12 GMT -5
I hear word is spreading quickly amongst the friends in Washington so I’m pretty sure Wally will have heard by now unless he’s barricaded himself in somewhere. Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... Also his obit being changed to a warning about sex abusers is a little telling, no? |
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Post by verna on Mar 25, 2023 3:12:20 GMT -5
Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... Get off the proverbial fence. Ask your workers if it's true, then share the answer with us. If you really want to tell us the truth. What a very practical suggestion Bob. Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:14:33 GMT -5
Bob, you’re smarter than that. You missed Wally’s point completely. Yes, I am smarter than that. What I wrote to Wally was irony. And you missed my point. Wally's the one who is advising people not to believe what the workers wrote to the elders. But come to think about it -- one might have suspicion about the truth of it, considering that reading it was restricted to a special group and the contents were not to be discussed. I recall learning that a local person was asked why the worker wouldn't put something in writing, and the reason given was that they may change their mind (or story.. who knows in that case). Then again, maybe Wally's jealous that he didn't get it from the workers too. Who knows? Anyway, what could Wally possibly be trying to protect poor old Dean from at this point. Wally has a penchant for not believing proofs. He probably still believes the election was stolen. What I said in that post wasn't advice it was what I am gonna do. Most of you are adults here and can make your own decisions. Since when do you believe what workers say or have respect for them? It says nothing in the letter about it just being the elders only that would receive it. Knee jerk response rarely help anyone... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:15:13 GMT -5
So im curious, im sure lots of people thought Dean was up in heaven, what was it that that made people think that?. And if whatever that was is not actually a reliable thing for getting to heaven does that not ring any alarm bells??..... Exactly -- all you would have to do is ask whether he behaved as he expected everyone in his flock to behave. I'm guessing he wasn't one of those "family" characters who believe they are forgiven the moment they make a mistake, simply because they are a chosen one. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:17:05 GMT -5
Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. Who's gloating? Wally has condemned so many of us to hell that it's about time he's confronted with his own defensive words in favor of some miscreant, simply because he was a worker. I thought you were law abiding, rule of law and all that? It's innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Or are you throwing that under the bus? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:18:40 GMT -5
Then don’t goad Wally over this. We all distressed over this, 2x2s and former 2x2s. This should not be a ‘we’ against ‘then’ situation. Wally, as well as I and others are simply waiting for verification. Unfortunately, the situation is looking grim. Please, let’s not make this a ‘Wally vs. us’ thing, because it’s not. Wally is selective in his acceptance of "verification". Dean being a worker, Wally will be anticipating a "fake news style" decision on the workers' accusations of Dean. It's not about Dean -- it's about Wally's condescending and contemptible attitude to those outside his religiopolitical subculture. You are either gullible or deceptive here... |
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