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Post by nathan on Nov 30, 2022 21:16:58 GMT -5
1/2018 Gill said: Was there an effort to remove trinitarian hymns from the book? And possibly a chance to add more hymns. There were some trinity hymns from the 1951 book that were removed in 1987. Cease not to praise Him, the Father and Son. And Holy Spirit and THESE THREE ARE ONE...remember that hymn??
After the hymn book was published in 1987, you had the mess of excommunication 1990 in Alaska the senior worker, Truitt Oyler for teaching Jesus is God. A brother worker in North Dakota says that there is a doctrine in the world where people believe that the Father and Son are one being. He said it is false doctrine. He went on to say that the devil doesn't like submission.
2) Moline wrote: Hi Nathan, We as earthly beings find this difficult to comprehend however the bible makes it clear. I have never have heard a worker handle the Deity of Christ well, yet in the early days of the movement, Eddie Cooney and William Irvine clearly believed in a Triune God. It seems that over the years, one would assume, because of a LACK of sound doctrinal teaching, many basics of the scripture are NOT well understood by the Current 2x2s leaderships and the friends.
3) RossB wrote: 8/20/2020
I don't know of any New Testament writer who didn't believe that Jesus was a man - clearly, he was a man - not just any regular man, but the Son of Man. However, if a person reads ALL of the gospel of Matthew, they'll see clearly that Jesus is Lord and the Son of the Living God and is worshipped as Lord. The demons clearly knew who He was.
But all of this is not an issue of any significance in the 2x2 church. Workers and friends the world over have zero doubt about both the pre-existence of Christ (as the eternal Son) and the divinity/divine nature of Christ when on earth. Since the late 1960's and emanating from the west coast of the US/Canada, most of them have baulked at, or rejected, Jesus being God - the Son, but they have never denied His pre-existence or divinity/divine nature.
Some senior workers are trying to straighten things out. The current Overseer of Colorado, Titus Lehmann, made quite an impact at the 2016 Mudgee Convention in New South Wales, Australia when he said "It is hard to understand how Jesus is God but is also the Son of God. In Paul’s letter to the Colossians it states in Chapter 2:2 (KJV) ‘That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ’.
This is a mystery that we can’t fully understand or explain. In Isaiah 9:6 we are told more about Jesus; ‘For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace’.
Of course, a couple of workers in New South Wales had tied themselves in knots by denying the divinity/divine nature of our Lord so Titus' intervention was timely and I know from talking to a few elders about it, made quite an impact. But as I said, the pre-existence of Christ or His divine nature have never been rejected at all by the workers or friends so their beliefs are radically different to what you ( fixit, 2x2 elder) believe and promote on TMB.
"Christ is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs" Hebrews 1:3-4.
I think God the Son is a useful expression for clarifying understanding.... most workers and friends will not accept that Jesus is God or God the Son. I have spoken to many New South Wales workers who absolutely deny that Jesus is God or God the Son or part of the Godhead....although many would say he is divine? One senior worker I asked said "of course, he believed in the Trinity" so I then asked "Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God but also God the Son". He said "we definitely don't believe the latter..." and the conversation moved on.
Having said that I believe that a few workers believe in the Trinity and the Godhead of Jesus. I have only heard the word Trinity mentioned once at Convention by a Canadian worker (Maurice or Morris???) in the 1990's at Silverdale Convention, Sydney.
A US worker apparently spoke at a Sydney convention two years ago about the Holy Spirit being the third person of the Godhead and David Saunders apparently referred to Jesus as the great "I am" at this year's Sydney Convention. Generally, it is ridiculed as a Catholic doctrine... whereas in reality it is a core Christian doctrine.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 30, 2022 21:28:07 GMT -5
We simply push back against conspiracy theories, your Frank Stranges intertwined with the Bible gospel, and your bombastic self-righteous behaviour on here, as it denigrates the church we belong to, and you claim to still belong to. I am telling you the TRUTH... The Bible we read is 2000 years old and is good, God and Christ have given Frank Stranges the 21st Century gospel of Jesus Christ message to Mankind before He comes again. They are in line with the gospel that Jesus has taught and it makes a complete gospel.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 1, 2022 3:10:53 GMT -5
I am telling you the TRUTH... The Bible we read is 2000 years old and is good, God and Christ have given Frank Stranges the 21st Century gospel of Jesus Christ message to Mankind before He comes again. They are in line with the gospel that Jesus has taught and it makes a complete gospel.
😆😆 To extrapolate his logic - if it doesn't have the gospel of Frank Stranges, the gospel is incomplete. He should try saying that in a Sunday Morning Meeting and see how far he gets!
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Post by Grant on Dec 1, 2022 3:13:14 GMT -5
Usually the house belongs to both husband and wife, not just one unless you bought it into the marriage but highly unlikely given your ages when you married. Why do you consider that you bailed her out rather than we.... and why is it that you inherited it rather than we inherited. ** At first my wife just work there, and a book keeper, accounting. I didn't want have anything to do with it for 16 years. They spent more money than what have and got into debts and my wife was using her own credit cards to buy things for the store but her older sister is the owner. Her older sister was terminated by the company, my wife owned too much credit debts. The gas company knew what is going on and let my wife became the new owner. Well, I had to sell my home, quit my job so I can get all of my stocks shares money out and put into the business to pay a lot of her credit cards debts. Looking back, it was the will of God because I love people and care for their souls and the gas station is a perfect place to share the good news with my customers and they enjoy it. People are facing all kinds of challenges in life and I just offer them hope, peace and New home to go to. I show them the location of heaven, their new and temporary home. You are not understanding what I am saying, Nathan. I didn't want a running commentary of your private affairs but good on you for having the business. What I am referring to is, you wrote: "Well, I had to sell my home, quit my job," etc. You say it is your house, not our house. Like I said, in a marriage the house belongs to both husband and wife. You keep calling it your house. Why do you not say our house? Again, I doubt you owned it before you got married as you were in the work before you got married so shouldn't it be yours and your wife not just yours?
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Post by Annan on Dec 1, 2022 6:57:41 GMT -5
** At first my wife just work there, and a book keeper, accounting. I didn't want have anything to do with it for 16 years. They spent more money than what have and got into debts and my wife was using her own credit cards to buy things for the store but her older sister is the owner. Her older sister was terminated by the company, my wife owned too much credit debts. The gas company knew what is going on and let my wife became the new owner. Well, I had to sell my home, quit my job so I can get all of my stocks shares money out and put into the business to pay a lot of her credit cards debts. Looking back, it was the will of God because I love people and care for their souls and the gas station is a perfect place to share the good news with my customers and they enjoy it. People are facing all kinds of challenges in life and I just offer them hope, peace and New home to go to. I show them the location of heaven, their new and temporary home. You are not understanding what I am saying, Nathan. I didn't want a running commentary of your private affairs but good on you for having the business. What I am referring to is, you wrote: "Well, I had to sell my home, quit my job," etc. You say it is your house, not our house. Like I said, in a marriage the house belongs to both husband and wife. You keep calling it your house. Why do you not say our house? Again, I doubt you owned it before you got married as you were in the work before you got married so shouldn't it be yours and your wife not just yours? That struck a cord. I'm always in trouble for saying MY bedroom. The hubby says he sleeps there too. I never thought of how it came across. When we bought our vehicles a few years ago, we got loans for both of them. We had no debt, so we had no credit rating. (You work hard to pay your bills and that's how you get rewarded?) So, both vehicles were in the hubby's name. I got upset about that and recently paid the vehicles off and had my vehicle put in my name. Made me feel better. I don't know why, but it did. The house is OURS. That I know.
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Post by Annan on Dec 1, 2022 7:00:14 GMT -5
Then why do you disobey Jesus's words and dust off your feet and walk away? Seems you make up your own rules, fake worker who ran away crying, boo hoo... they were mean to me.
*** Because you take that verse out of context. That was instructions to the 12 and 70 apostles when Jesus sent them to different towns and villages with the message the Messiah they have been waiting has arrived come and see it for yourself. If the people don't take heed then move on to the next towns with the same message. TMB place is totally different, you don't like or believe the message that is your decision and choice. However, there are new readers from different parts of the world and 2x2s newbies come and read the messages. They are the ones I want to share the good news with. You love twisting the scriptures to suit yourself, don't you, Natie. Hell bound!
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Post by Annan on Dec 1, 2022 8:18:54 GMT -5
Usually the house belongs to both husband and wife, not just one unless you bought it into the marriage but highly unlikely given your ages when you married. Why do you consider that you bailed her out rather than we.... and why is it that you inherited it rather than we inherited. ** At first my wife just work there, and a book keeper, accounting. I didn't want have anything to do with it for 16 years. They spent more money than what have and got into debts and my wife was using her own credit cards to buy things for the store but her older sister is the owner. Her older sister was terminated by the company, my wife owned too much credit debts. The gas company knew what is going on and let my wife became the new owner. Well, I had to sell my home, quit my job so I can get all of my stocks shares money out and put into the business to pay a lot of her credit cards debts. Looking back, it was the will of God because I love people and care for their souls and the gas station is a perfect place to share the good news with my customers and they enjoy it. People are facing all kinds of challenges in life and I just offer them hope, peace and New home to go to. I show them the location of heaven, their new and temporary home. You said the sister was terminated by the company and your wife became owner. If the company owned the business, that makes no sense. Sounds like what you own is a franchise. Telling more lies, Natie?
You also said the previous owners, your wife's family, were millionaires. Why would they let her use her credit cards to bail them out? Did they pay her back? If they did pay her back, you wouldn't have needed to sell everything you owned to bail her out. Something stinks like a lie here.
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Post by Annan on Dec 1, 2022 11:10:23 GMT -5
To extrapolate his logic - if it doesn't have the gospel of Frank Stranges, the gospel is incomplete. He should try saying that in a Sunday Morning Meeting and see how far he gets! Considering he doesn’t go to meetings… Natie is a chicken sh-. He was forced out as a worker and he is scared silly to go back to meetings because he’s afraid they’ll force him out of the two by twos. Pretending to be an Internet worker, he reports to no one and makes his own rules. He claims he answers only to God, but we all know that is not how the 2 x 2 system works. Natie lives in his own fantasy delusion.
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Post by fixit on Dec 1, 2022 13:36:01 GMT -5
A US worker apparently spoke at a Sydney convention two years ago about the Holy Spirit being the third person of the Godhead and David Saunders apparently referred to Jesus as the great "I am" at this year's Sydney Convention. Generally, it is ridiculed as a Catholic doctrine... whereas in reality it is a core Christian doctrine. Frank Stranges 21st Century gospel of Jesus Christ would also become a core Christian doctrine if everyone who questioned it was burned at the stake. From Natie's favourite website: www.gotquestions.org/Calvin-Michael-Servetus.html
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Post by fixit on Dec 1, 2022 13:42:41 GMT -5
I think God the Son is a useful expression for clarifying understanding Why did the writers of the bible never think to do that?
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Post by nathan2 on Dec 1, 2022 14:21:30 GMT -5
** At first my wife just work there, and a book keeper, accounting. I didn't want have anything to do with it for 16 years. They spent more money than what have and got into debts and my wife was using her own credit cards to buy things for the store but her older sister is the owner. Her older sister was terminated by the company, my wife owned too much credit debts. The gas company knew what is going on and let my wife became the new owner. Well, I had to sell my home, quit my job so I can get all of my stocks shares money out and put into the business to pay a lot of her credit cards debts. Looking back, it was the will of God because I love people and care for their souls and the gas station is a perfect place to share the good news with my customers and they enjoy it. People are facing all kinds of challenges in life and I just offer them hope, peace and New home to go to. I show them the location of heaven, their new and temporary home. You said the sister was terminated by the company and your wife became owner. If the company owned the business, that makes no sense. Sounds like what you own is a franchise. Telling more lies, Natie?
You also said the previous owners, your wife's family, were millionaires. Why would they let her use her credit cards to bail them out? Did they pay her back? If they did pay her back, you wouldn't have needed to sell everything you owned to bail her out. Something stinks like a lie here. ** We don't own the Company's property, that is 5 millions dollars. If there is a leak underground gas tanks, it will cost over 1 millions to for the property owner to fix it. We are franchise owners and we can sell or quit anytime. That sister and her husband/Lawyer were appointed as franchise owners but they were too greedy. They were to take care the brothers and sisters, they didn't. They got into lots of debts, they had credit cards business under my wife name and a few of the brothers. I didn't know any of it when I found out it was too late. I had to bail my wife out, quit my job, sold the house, use my stocks money for the business 12 years ago.
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2022 14:32:17 GMT -5
I have never heard of one of the friends selling cigarettes and alcohol. Never. It's not done. Usually the friends avoid buying a business that would put them in that situation? Were you asked to not attend Sunday meetings while you were selling alcohol and cigarettes? ** Many of the workers and the friends stopped to get gas at our store. They came and visited me at the store. They KNOW what is going on. None of The workers come and talk to me to sell the store. Like I said it wasn't my choice but it happened to land on my laps. Life gives me a lemon and I made a lemonade out of it. It has been a blessings in disguise for me to meet 1000s of people and share the goof news with them and posting on TMB also! I couldn't have a better job than this! Killing two birds with one stone. Okay I know you meant to write good news lol, but you wrote 'and share the goof news with them'. Sorry couldn't help but tease you on that one!
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Post by nathan2 on Dec 1, 2022 14:32:32 GMT -5
A US worker apparently spoke at a Sydney convention two years ago about the Holy Spirit being the third person of the Godhead and David Saunders apparently referred to Jesus as the great "I am" at this year's Sydney Convention. Generally, it is ridiculed as a Catholic doctrine... whereas in reality it is a core Christian doctrine. Frank Stranges 21st Century gospel of Jesus Christ would also become a core Christian doctrine if everyone who questioned it was burned at the stake. From Natie's favourite website: www.gotquestions.org/Calvin-Michael-Servetus.html** The RCC did what they thought was thr that was the right thing to do set the example to STOP the spreading and taken over with False doctrines Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God; the Trinity is the devils doctrine, the Holy Spirit is NOT God like the Father, Only God the Father to be worship and NOT the Son or the Holy Spirit. These false and devil's doctrines had to be STOPPED at all cost or it will destroy Christianity with pagans belief. Frank Arranges 21st century gospel just for head knowledge or information of Christ coming, the dwelling place for God's people during the 1000 years and after. Nobody is going to burn at stakes for NOT believing it, fixit.
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2022 14:35:18 GMT -5
The point is this Nathan. You don't tell people they are going to hell if they don't attack you. If they have been perceived to have attacked you then you use hell to threaten them. You aren't just quoting the bible because you are warning them, you are quoting hell verses from the bible because you think they attacked you. ** Nope, I tell both sides of the coins Heaven to gain and Hell to shun. I even show where heaven is and what is like in heaven. Most of poster on here are atheists and unbelievers, they don't believe in heaven so no use to tell about it. So, I tell them their new home where their souls go after they depart from this earth. Jesus did this to the Jews in His day, where he showed them them Hades and Paradise in Luke 16. As non believers we not only don't believe in heaven, which is why you say you don't tell us about it, but we also don't believe in hell. So using your logic why tell us about either place if we don't believe in them both? You said you don't tell your customers about hell because they don't attack you. So the reason you tell us about hell is because you feel we attack you?
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Post by verna on Dec 1, 2022 14:39:17 GMT -5
** Many of the workers and the friends stopped to get gas at our store. They came and visited me at the store. They KNOW what is going on. None of The workers come and talk to me to sell the store. Like I said it wasn't my choice but it happened to land on my laps. Life gives me a lemon and I made a lemonade out of it. It has been a blessings in disguise for me to meet 1000s of people and share the goof news with them and posting on TMB also! I couldn't have a better job than this! Killing two birds with one stone. Okay I know you meant to write good news lol, but you wrote 'and share the goof news with them'. Sorry couldn't help but tease you on that one! Oops!
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Post by nathan2 on Dec 1, 2022 15:22:24 GMT -5
** Nope, I tell both sides of the coins Heaven to gain and Hell to shun. I even show where heaven is and what is like in heaven. Most of poster on here are atheists and unbelievers, they don't believe in heaven so no use to tell about it. So, I tell them their new home where their souls go after they depart from this earth. Jesus did this to the Jews in His day, where he showed them them Hades and Paradise in Luke 16. As non believers we not only don't believe in heaven, which is why you say you don't tell us about it, but we also don't believe in hell. So using your logic why tell us about either place if we don't believe in them both? You said you don't tell your customers about hell because they don't attack you. So the reason you tell us about hell is because you feel we attack you? ** You ex-2×2 atheists on here don't believe in heaven or Hell exist. So, I just showed you Jesus had taught both heaven Revelation 22:16 and Hell in Luke 16. Jesus even told us the locations of both places. You disagree so you attack and that is OK, I can understand where you come from. The believers Don't want you to end in Hades after death but in other heavenly place. If you don't want to be in heaven, all we can do is to keep on trying because WE CARE, after death is no more opportunity to change it. Many of my customers don't attacks because they believe in heaven and Hell so, I just tell them Jesus revealed the locations of heaven and Hell. They can look it up for themselves.
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Post by guest8 on Dec 1, 2022 15:35:35 GMT -5
Snow does not attack Nathan. She replies and confronts him, through normal dialogue in a mature manner, on the statements he makes. Recently, Nathan posted to Snow as he does often to Bob, in regards to being professing once etc etc. I rarely respond to him these days but I posted , conveying to him that his words to Snow could equally be used towards him. He threw an immature wobbly and started digging into his vault to cut and paste old vindictive posts. That is what ' attack means'. Well, an 'immature attack'.
A vault kept on one called Nathan would be full to overflowing. He needs to show to Snow and others, 'I am a grown man'.
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Post by nathan2 on Dec 1, 2022 15:42:32 GMT -5
Snow does not attack Nathan. She replies and confronts him, in a mature manner, on the statements he makes. Recently, Nathan posted to Snow as he does often to Bob, in regards to being professing once etc etc. I responded with a post , conveying to him that his words could equally be used towards him. He threw an immature wobbly and started digging into his vault to cut and paste old vindictive posts. That is what ' attack means'. Well, an 'immature attack'. A vault kept on one called Nathan would be full to overflowing. He needs to show us ' I am a grown man'. ** If you dish out to people, they will show favors in returns and you called that attacks? Come on, if you don't like a taste of your own attacks medicine then don't attacks people. If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks at your neighbor's house. Treat me with respect and I will do the same.
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Post by guest8 on Dec 1, 2022 15:47:37 GMT -5
Snow does not attack Nathan. She replies and confronts him, in a mature manner, on the statements he makes. Recently, Nathan posted to Snow as he does often to Bob, in regards to being professing once etc etc. I rarely respond to him these days but I posted, conveying to him that his words could equally be used towards him. He threw an immature wobbly and started digging into his vault to cut and paste old vindictive posts. That is what ' attack means'. Well, an 'immature attack'. A vault kept on one called Nathan would be full to overflowing. He needs to show us ' I am a grown man'. ** If you dish out to people, they will show favors in returns and you called that attacks? Come on, if you don't like a taste of your own attacks medicine then don't attacks people. If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks at your neighbor's house. Treat me with respect and I will do the same. I confronted you re your words to Snow. If that was an attack, your post to Snow was an attack and lacked respect because my post mirrored yours, to help show you how you sound. You need to register the point made in a post, do some self reflection, instead of firing your endless repetitive rhetoric.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 1, 2022 16:03:46 GMT -5
Snow does not attack Nathan. She replies and confronts him, in a mature manner, on the statements he makes. Recently, Nathan posted to Snow as he does often to Bob, in regards to being professing once etc etc. I responded with a post , conveying to him that his words could equally be used towards him. He threw an immature wobbly and started digging into his vault to cut and paste old vindictive posts. That is what ' attack means'. Well, an 'immature attack'. A vault kept on one called Nathan would be full to overflowing. He needs to show us ' I am a grown man'. ** If you dish out to people, they will show favors in returns and you called that attacks? Come on, if you don't like a taste of your own attacks medicine then don't attacks people. If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks at your neighbor's house. Treat me with respect and I will do the same. People do not respect you because of some of your beliefs. Particularly, Fwank Stranges, Vlad Thor, hollow planets. When you see the idiocy of those beliefs and recant from them, you will perhaps be on the road to rehabilitation.
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Post by nathan2 on Dec 1, 2022 16:13:31 GMT -5
** If you dish out to people, they will show favors in returns and you called that attacks? Come on, if you don't like a taste of your own attacks medicine then don't attacks people. If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks at your neighbor's house. Treat me with respect and I will do the same. People do not respect you because of some of your beliefs. Particularly, Fwank Stranges, Vlad Thor, hollow planets. When you see the idiocy of those beliefs and recant from them, you will perhaps be on the road to rehabilitation. ** Do you have problems with spelling people names correctly. You going after me for not spellings David W. And Billy W. Incoorectly. You and others on here are doing the same thing for many years on purpose. It seems you don't like to correct your mistakes and have no respect for others, who you disagree with their belief. You are NOT going to believe atheist. Truth is truth if I recant I will be a liar and an unbeliever just like you. Sorry, I can't do that.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 1, 2022 16:29:21 GMT -5
People do not respect you because of some of your beliefs. Particularly, Fwank Stranges, Vlad Thor, hollow planets. When you see the idiocy of those beliefs and recant from them, you will perhaps be on the road to rehabilitation. ** Do you have problems with spelling people names correctly. You going after me for not spellings David W. And Billy W. Incoorectly. You and others on here are doing the same thing for many years on purpose. It seems you don't like to correct your mistakes and have no respect for others, who you disagree with their belief. You are NOT going to believe atheist. Truth is truth if I recant I will be a liar and an unbeliever just like you. Sorry, I can't do that. Wally does not believe your hollow earth garbage and neither do any of the friends. Are they liars. Does there unbelief in your beliefs make them an atheist?
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Post by guest8 on Dec 1, 2022 16:37:42 GMT -5
You have to realise Curly, 1+1=2, 2+2=4 does not register to some people. The answer to that simple logic will be anything but 2 and 4.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 1, 2022 16:54:16 GMT -5
You are not understanding what I am saying, Nathan. I didn't want a running commentary of your private affairs but good on you for having the business. What I am referring to is, you wrote: "Well, I had to sell my home, quit my job," etc. You say it is your house, not our house. Like I said, in a marriage the house belongs to both husband and wife. You keep calling it your house. Why do you not say our house? Again, I doubt you owned it before you got married as you were in the work before you got married so shouldn't it be yours and your wife not just yours? That struck a cord. I'm always in trouble for saying MY bedroom. The hubby says he sleeps there too. I never thought of how it came across. When we bought our vehicles a few years ago, we got loans for both of them. We had no debt, so we had no credit rating. (You work hard to pay your bills and that's how you get rewarded?) So, both vehicles were in the hubby's name. I got upset about that and recently paid the vehicles off and had my vehicle put in my name. Made me feel better. I don't know why, but it did. The house is OURS. That I know. Ironically, one doesn't have a "credit rating" if one doesn't establish a credit record. I guess part of your credit rating is a record of how reliable you are at managing your debt. Makes some sense, I guess, with borrowers like chronic bankruptcers working the economy.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 1, 2022 16:56:01 GMT -5
** Do you have problems with spelling people names correctly. You going after me for not spellings David W. And Billy W. Incoorectly. You and others on here are doing the same thing for many years on purpose. It seems you don't like to correct your mistakes and have no respect for others, who you disagree with their belief. You are NOT going to believe atheist. Truth is truth if I recant I will be a liar and an unbeliever just like you. Sorry, I can't do that. Wally does not believe your hollow earth garbage and neither do any of the friends. Are they liars. Does there unbelief in your beliefs make them an atheist? You're not an atheist unless you think Nathan is crazy.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 1, 2022 17:03:08 GMT -5
You said the sister was terminated by the company and your wife became owner. If the company owned the business, that makes no sense. Sounds like what you own is a franchise. Telling more lies, Natie?
You also said the previous owners, your wife's family, were millionaires. Why would they let her use her credit cards to bail them out? Did they pay her back? If they did pay her back, you wouldn't have needed to sell everything you owned to bail her out. Something stinks like a lie here. ** We don't own the Company's property, that is 5 millions dollars. If there is a leak underground gas tanks, it will cost over 1 millions to for the property owner to fix it. We are franchise owners and we can sell or quit anytime. That sister and her husband/Lawyer were appointed as franchise owners but they were too greedy. They were to take care the brothers and sisters, they didn't. They got into lots of debts, they had credit cards business under my wife name and a few of the brothers. I didn't know any of it when I found out it was too late. I had to bail my wife out, quit my job, sold the house, use my stocks money for the business 12 years ago. Bad move!
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2022 17:12:55 GMT -5
That struck a cord. I'm always in trouble for saying MY bedroom. The hubby says he sleeps there too. I never thought of how it came across. When we bought our vehicles a few years ago, we got loans for both of them. We had no debt, so we had no credit rating. (You work hard to pay your bills and that's how you get rewarded?) So, both vehicles were in the hubby's name. I got upset about that and recently paid the vehicles off and had my vehicle put in my name. Made me feel better. I don't know why, but it did. The house is OURS. That I know. Ironically, one doesn't have a "credit rating" if one doesn't establish a credit record. I guess part of your credit rating is a record of how reliable you are at managing your debt. Makes some sense, I guess, with borrowers like chronic bankruptcers working the economy. Exactly that's why I advised my kids to take out a loan when they were old enough and then just pay it off to establish a credit rating. Otherwise you just don't have one. However if you have a credit card wouldn't that establish a credit rating if you paid it off all the time?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 1, 2022 17:24:57 GMT -5
Ironically, one doesn't have a "credit rating" if one doesn't establish a credit record. I guess part of your credit rating is a record of how reliable you are at managing your debt. Makes some sense, I guess, with borrowers like chronic bankruptcers working the economy. Exactly that's why I advised my kids to take out a loan when they were old enough and then just pay it off to establish a credit rating. Otherwise you just don't have one. However if you have a credit card wouldn't that establish a credit rating if you paid it off all the time? It should. But I've discovered that sometimes if you don't use the card for a period of time, it lapses. It happened for me with a furniture company. I don't know about Visa and Mastercard with that. I just keep cards that work well for me. About every couple of weeks I get a notice in the mail that another credit card company is offering me a credit card. I'm sure I could ruin myself rapidly if I didn't routinely just tear them up. I think they scan credit recording companies to find people who pay their bills reliably.
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