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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 16:08:27 GMT -5
Pull the other leg. Either you were a different person in those days or the poor folk were mentally unstable & crumbled under your threats. Nope, I've always been blunt. Fire and Brimstone has always been around and does work.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 16:09:13 GMT -5
You and Nate are bitter. Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Not even close, and you are a bad seed elder...I've seen it before and seen 2 elders get canned for it. *** In my 45 yrs as a 2x2 I have read, heard, seen more than 2 elders got canned, removed and left their position as elders and back up elders also.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 16:15:56 GMT -5
Not even close, and you are a bad seed elder...I've seen it before and seen 2 elders get canned for it. *** In my 45 yrs as a 2x2 I have read, heard, seen more than 2 elders got canned, removed and left their position as elders and back up elders also. Hopefully at some point the Two downunder yokels will lose their office.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 16:25:38 GMT -5
Pull the other leg. Either you were a different person in those days or the poor folk were mentally unstable & crumbled under your threats. Nope, I've always been blunt. Fire and Brimstone has always been around and does work. ** It's put fear/reverence and respect for the result of where disobedience choice will lead us end up after judgment day... Lake of fire. When we KNOW the existence the Lake of fire then we want to do all we can to find out a way from going there ourselves and warn others about it. God the Father showed and revealed the ONLY WAY for mankind to escape the Second death or the Lake of fire that's to believe in Jesus as our Redeemer.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 16:28:14 GMT -5
*** In my 45 yrs as a 2x2 I have read, heard, seen more than 2 elders got canned, removed and left their position as elders and back up elders also. Hopefully at some point the Two downunder yokels will lose their office. ** Amen to that.
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Post by mountain on Jan 1, 2022 16:39:32 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that Dorothy Irvine did not exist in the story, or that she experienced house conventicles which she told William Irvine about? ** What a BAD JOKER and entertainer you are, Ram. Go to TTT Cherie website to William Irvine family tree line and show us do you see the name of Margaret or Dorothy on there? I see William Irvine sister name Margaret on there and NOT Dorothy. That is according to Cherie research do you agree, Ram? Where and who did you get your Dorothy William letter from, Ram? Was the letter came from your own mind creation? Nathan, as you know, you have your own version of 2x2 history and Cherie has her version. Almost unanimously the discerning readers prefer Cherie's account to your own one, some even suggesting just what you are claiming of my Dorothy Irvine account, i.e. 'from your own mind creation.' Perhaps we have more in common than what we may have hitherto believed? Is it possible that the account of Dorothy Irvine serves as a convenient bridge between Cherie's meticulous and accurate account and your own one?
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Post by Annan on Jan 1, 2022 16:42:02 GMT -5
22 MORE mentally unstable people? Where do they keep coming from? Oh,and what kind of sermon do the workers preach when testing the meeting to get someone to profess? Is it not threats of burning and torture forever? Oh no! Annan "liked" my post Regrettably, this shows that she is mentally unstable too. Hey! Undoubtedly. That's what I get for hanging around with you all.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 17:41:12 GMT -5
** What a BAD JOKER and entertainer you are, Ram. Go to TTT Cherie website to William Irvine family tree line and show us do you see the name of Margaret or Dorothy on there? I see William Irvine sister name Margaret on there and NOT Dorothy. That is according to Cherie research do you agree, Ram? Where and who did you get your Dorothy William letter from, Ram? Was the letter came from your own mind creation? Nathan, as you know, you have your own version of 2x2 history and Cherie has her version. Almost unanimously the discerning readers prefer Cherie's account to your own one, some even suggesting just what you are claiming of my Dorothy Irvine account, i.e. 'from your own mind creation.' Perhaps we have more in common than what we may have hitherto believed? Is it possible that the account of Dorothy Irvine serves as a convenient bridge between Cherie's meticulous and accurate account and your own one? *** Get this out of your head, there is no account of Dorothy William Irvine in William Irvine family tree! Your Dorothy William is a made up myth from your Jesterhoax entertainer head. Margaret William Irvine sister is correct history you can find her name and it matches William Irvine family Tree that she had played an important part to awaken his spiritual life. William Irvine was raised a Presbyterian. I agree with you I appreciate Cherie K. history part of the 2x2 but when she put in her anti-2×2 mindset on her Website TTT and book then we have seen a big problem. We have seen the chaos, spiritual deaths of 2x2s friends by the thousands result of her TTT website for over 20 years. The readers must take the good history part and ignore the personal anti-2×2 agenda part out then they can see a better and complete picture of the whole history of God and Christ New Testament True Church exist in every generation since the time of Jesus and apostles to our days! READ Rev. Chapters 11 and 12 William Irvine and John Govan the Faith Mission founder didn't come up with 2x2 workers ministry idea by themselves! They copied the pattern from the Vaudois/Waldense or similar sect who had been practicing/follow Jesus and Paul New Testament ministry and fellowship 1800 years before John Govan tried it in 1886. Jesus New Test. 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship has always been on the earth... God, Christ and Holy Spirit give people revelation to continue it to the time of Jesus returns to establish His eternal kingdom for 1000 years.
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Post by fixit on Jan 1, 2022 18:09:31 GMT -5
*** In my 45 yrs as a 2x2 I have read, heard, seen more than 2 elders got canned, removed and left their position as elders and back up elders also. Hopefully at some point the Two downunder yokels will lose their office. That may happen of course. People like you and Nate would be better at turning good people into "bitter exes", and then assign them to hell.
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Post by fixit on Jan 1, 2022 18:20:12 GMT -5
We have seen the chaos, spiritual deaths of 2x2s friends by the thousands result of her TTT website for over 20 years. If it's necessary to lie about the history to keep people in the meetings, then they should be set free. If you love someone, set them free. If they come back they’re yours; if they don’t they never were.
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Post by chuck on Jan 1, 2022 18:28:33 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that Dorothy Irvine did not exist in the story, or that she experienced house conventicles which she told William Irvine about? ** What a BAD JOKER and entertainer you are, Ram. Go to TTT Cherie website to William Irvine family tree line and show us do you see the name of Margaret or Dorothy on there? I see William Irvine sister name Margaret on there and NOT Dorothy. That is according to Cherie research do you agree, Ram? Where and who did you get your Dorothy William letter from, Ram? Was the letter came from your own mind creation? Cherie's research also accurately describes the 2x2s only starting around 100 years ago.....not a continuous line from the 1st century.....
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Post by chuck on Jan 1, 2022 18:29:43 GMT -5
You and Nate are bitter. Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Not even close, and you are a bad seed elder...I've seen it before and seen 2 elders get canned for it. What for not towing the party line....sounds like a man made system to me.....
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Post by chuck on Jan 1, 2022 18:39:00 GMT -5
Hopefully at some point the Two downunder yokels will lose their office. That may happen of course. People like you and Nate would be better at turning good people into "bitter exes", and then assign them to hell. If people have to turf you out for political reasons instead of for failing to be Gracious compassionate slow to anger ect to ALL then you know it's their selfish agenda..... This is what Revelation is all about, is "Caeser's Character" your lord or is "Christ's Character" your LORD(Capital L O R D is a reference to the Gracious Compassionate slow to anger and abounding in love and forgiveness Character).
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 18:41:14 GMT -5
We have seen the chaos, spiritual deaths of 2x2s friends by the thousands result of her TTT website for over 20 years. If it's necessary to lie about the history to keep people in the meetings, then they should be set free. If you love someone, set them free. If they come back they’re yours; if they don’t they never were.** Well, I hate to be in her shoes and those who follow her anti-2×2 agenda to get many 2x2s leaving through the years with their own anti-2×2 websites, books, message boards and so on and caused thousands left the 2x2 around the world because of their half-truth information. Jesus said it is better for a millstone hang around so and so neck neck and to be cast into the sea than to cause one of God's children to turn them from serving Him and to cause to to worship false gods/Satan instead. Heads will rolls, judgement day MUST begin in the household of God then God and Christ will judge the world.
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Post by Grant on Jan 1, 2022 18:59:10 GMT -5
No millstone will be hung around someone's neck for telling the truth. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
Those who lied and continue to lie are the ones who were in the wrong, not those who tell the truth.
God blesses those who tell the truth. .
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 19:06:14 GMT -5
** What a BAD JOKER and entertainer you are, Ram. Go to TTT Cherie website to William Irvine family tree line and show us do you see the name of Margaret or Dorothy on there? I see William Irvine sister name Margaret on there and NOT Dorothy. That is according to Cherie research do you agree, Ram? Where and who did you get your Dorothy William letter from, Ram? Was the letter came from your own mind creation? Cherie's research also accurately describes the 2x2s only starting around 100 years ago.....not a continuous line from the 1st century..... ** 2×2 workers are the 21st Century of Jesus Christ apostolic/workers New Testament ministry and Church. Peter Waldo the Frenchman and his co- workers were 11th Century of Jesus 2x2 New Testament. The Vaudois who were Romans converts from Paul's mission in Rome 70-1800. They were chased out of Rome by the RCC in the 3rd century to France and many countries in Europe and other countries throughout the world.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2022 19:42:37 GMT -5
Pull the other leg. Either you were a different person in those days or the poor folk were mentally unstable & crumbled under your threats. Nope, I've always been blunt. Fire and Brimstone has always been around and does work. Oh, yes, definitely! "Fire and Brimstone has always been around and does work."
But is it the way to understand what Jesus taught or how to follow his teachings?
Fear never teaches anything in the long run, - it only creates a robot which acts out of fear for it's own skin and that in turn creates a society where everyone has to be only concerned about themselves!
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Post by speak on Jan 1, 2022 19:48:10 GMT -5
You and Nate are bitter. Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Not even close, and you are a bad seed elder...I've seen it before and seen 2 elders get canned for it. The mirror speaks.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 19:52:47 GMT -5
No millstone will be hung around someone's neck for telling the truth. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Those who lied and continue to lie are the ones who were in the wrong, not those who tell the truth. God blesses those who tell the truth. . ** We see the result on TMB and outside of the message board from those who left the 2x2 church it turned many into spirits of demons. If most of the exes turned out to be like Dan, Q, Jetmech, Shushy, STR, Snow, RossB, Elizabeth Coles and those like them in the last 25 years then I would be VERY worried for the 2x2 Church. Jesus said when you KNOW the truth shall set you free to become lights and Salt in this dark world NOT to become destructive demons.
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Post by Grant on Jan 1, 2022 20:35:05 GMT -5
No millstone will be hung around someone's neck for telling the truth. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Those who lied and continue to lie are the ones who were in the wrong, not those who tell the truth. God blesses those who tell the truth. . ** We see the result on TMB and outside of the message board from those who left the 2x2 church it turned many into spirits of demons. If most of the exes turned out to be like Dan, Q, Jetmech, Shushy, STR, Snow, RossB, Elizabeth Coles and those like them in the last 25 years then I would be VERY worried for the 2x2 Church. Jesus said when you KNOW the truth shall set you free to become lights and Salt in this dark world NOT to become destructive demons. Elizabeth Coleman wrote the book about the 2x2s called, Cult to Christ. A must to read.
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Post by fixit on Jan 1, 2022 20:40:44 GMT -5
Nope, I've always been blunt. Fire and Brimstone has always been around and does work. Oh, yes, definitely! "Fire and Brimstone has always been around and does work."
But is it the way to understand what Jesus taught or how to follow his teachings?
Fear never teaches anything in the long run, - it only creates a robot which acts out of fear for it's own skin and that in turn creates a society where everyone has to be only concerned about themselves!Well said. Fear produces people like Wally.
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Post by fixit on Jan 1, 2022 20:42:49 GMT -5
No millstone will be hung around someone's neck for telling the truth. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Those who lied and continue to lie are the ones who were in the wrong, not those who tell the truth. God blesses those who tell the truth. . ** We see the result on TMB and outside of the message board from those who left the 2x2 church it turned many into spirits of demons. If most of the exes turned out to be like Dan, Q, Jetmech, Shushy, STR, Snow, RossB, Elizabeth Coles and those like them in the last 25 years then I would be VERY worried for the 2x2 Church. Jesus said when you KNOW the truth shall set you free to become lights and Salt in this dark world NOT to become destructive demons. You're not making sense.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 20:48:01 GMT -5
** We see the result on TMB and outside of the message board from those who left the 2x2 church it turned many into spirits of demons. If most of the exes turned out to be like Dan, Q, Jetmech, Shushy, STR, Snow, RossB, Elizabeth Coles and those like them in the last 25 years then I would be VERY worried for the 2x2 Church. Jesus said when you KNOW the truth shall set you free to become lights and Salt in this dark world NOT to become destructive demons. Elizabeth Coleman wrote the book about the 2x2s called, Cult to Christ. A must to read. ** Yes, I KNOW about Elizabeth Cole and her book, she and I exchange in PM a few times.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 20:51:04 GMT -5
** We see the result on TMB and outside of the message board from those who left the 2x2 church it turned many into spirits of demons. If most of the exes turned out to be like Dan, Q, Jetmech, Shushy, STR, Snow, RossB, Elizabeth Coles and those like them in the last 25 years then I would be VERY worried for the 2x2 Church. Jesus said when you KNOW the truth shall set you free to become lights and Salt in this dark world NOT to become destructive demons. You're not making sense. *** Yes, Yes, I know you don't. You are one of those demons/Judas from within our group.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 1, 2022 20:56:15 GMT -5
*** Yes, Yes, I know you don't. You are one of those demons/Judas from within our group. Maybe read your post nathan, it doesn't make sense !
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2022 20:57:36 GMT -5
** We see the result on TMB and outside of the message board from those who left the 2x2 church it turned many into spirits of demons. If most of the exes turned out to be like Dan, Q, Jetmech, Shushy, STR, Snow, RossB, Elizabeth Coles and those like them in the last 25 years then I would be VERY worried for the 2x2 Church. Jesus said when you KNOW the truth shall set you free to become lights and Salt in this dark world NOT to become destructive demons. You're not making sense. Right! -he isn't making any sense! Nanthan said:
"If most of the exes turned out to be like Dan, Q, Jetmech, Shushy, STR, Snow, RossB, Elizabeth Coles and those like them in the last 25 years then I would be VERY worried for the 2x2 Church."
I thought Nanthan listed some of those people that he approved of but also some others that he disliked, -yet he groups them all together!
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Post by xna on Jan 1, 2022 20:58:58 GMT -5
Fear is a quick & effective tool for controlling others. That’s why the military uses fear in boot camp. It produces quick conformity. Fear works on most everyone.
Love is a stronger emotion than fear, but it takes much longer. A parent moved by love, will overcome their fear to rescue his child in a burning house.
Knowledge weakens the power of fear. The more the understanding, the less the fear.
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Post by nathan02 on Jan 1, 2022 21:06:41 GMT -5
*** Yes, Yes, I know you don't. You are one of those demons/Judas from within our group. Maybe read your post nathan, it doesn't make sense ! *** Wally KNOWS what I am talking about. I have been saying that for years.
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