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Post by mountain on Nov 6, 2021 5:14:43 GMT -5
I still believe Jesus existed from the beginning. The theme of the entire Bible is Christ, he didn't just come into being 2000 years ago. That verse I quoted speaks for itself, "There is no one who has gone up to Heaven, but there is One who has come down from Heaven, namely the Son of Man".. Jesus said it point blank, "For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me" (John 6:38). No interpretation necessary, he was sent and not created. Of course, his body was created because he needed a vessel to manifest the Word in the flesh, but the Word (Yeshua) existed from the beginning. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Hebrews 13:8)
And yes, the Jews sought to stone him because they believed he was claiming to be God. They didn't misunderstand him, nor did Christ correct them, because he was in fact claiming to be the Son of God from long before Abraham.
Dan, please try and spare 30+ minutes to listen to Dr. Anthony Buzzard on who Jesus really is. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_sL_FPkO_E |
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Post by nathan on Nov 6, 2021 8:34:33 GMT -5
I listened this preacher who is Anti-Triune God, and Jesus is NOT God, he believes and teaches almost exactly just like You/Ram and fixit. The spirits of Arius the Anti-Triune God and Jesus is NOT God, he was a RCC priest and his followers excommunicated from priesthood, in the 7th century are still alive and growing. Yikes!
God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit are Eternal! from Everlasting to Everlasting.
~~ God the Father is the Creator/Designer of the Universe and of all things, and Christ the Lord God is the Father Co-creator of all things also. God the Father called the Son/Christ " God and Lord/Yahweh."Heb. 1: 8-12 8 But unto the Son he saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."
351 Old Testament Prophecies
Fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Prophecy Description Fulfillment 1. Gen 3:15 Seed of a woman (virgin birth) Gal 4:4-5; Matt 1:18
2. Gen 3:15 He will bruise Satan's head Heb 2:14; 1 John 3:8 3. Gen 5:24 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Mark 16:19 4. Gen 9:26-27 The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem Luke 3:36 5. Gen 12:3 Seed of Abraham will bless all nations Gal 3:8; Acts 3:25-26 6. Gen 12:7 The Promise made to Abraham's Seed Gal 3:16 7. Gen 14:18 A priest after the order of Melchizedek Heb 6:20 8. Gen 14:18 King of Peace and Righteousness Heb 7:2 9. Gen 14:18 The Last Supper foreshadowed Matt 26:26-29 10. Gen 17:19 Seed of Isaac (Gen 21:12) Rom 9:7 11. Gen 22:8 The Lamb of God promised John 1:29 12. Gen 22:18 As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations Gal 3:16 13. Gen 26:2-5 The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer Heb 11:18 14. Gen 28:12 The Bridge to heaven John 1:51 15. Gen 28:14 The Seed of Jacob Luke 3:34 16. Gen 49:10 The time of His coming Luke 2:1-7; Gal 4:4 17. Gen 49:10 The Seed of Judah Luke 3:33 18. Gen 49:10 Called Shiloh or One Sent John 17:3 19. Gen 49:10 Messiah to come before Judah lost identity John 11:47-52 20. Gen 49:10 Unto Him shall the obedience of the people be John 10:16 21. Ex 3:13-15 The Great "I AM" John 4:26; 8:58
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Post by nathan on Nov 6, 2021 8:57:05 GMT -5
Arius (/əˈraɪəs, ˈɛəri-/; Koinē Greek: Ἄρειος, Áreios; 250 or 256–336)
was a Cyrenaic presbyter, ascetic, and priest best known for the doctrine of Arianism.[1][2] His teachings about the nature of the Godhead in Christianity, which emphasized God the Father's uniqueness and Christ's subordination under the Father,[3] and his opposition to what would become the dominant Christology, Homoousian Christology, made him a primary topic of the First Council of Nicaea convened by Emperor Constantine the Great in 325. After Emperors Licinius and Constantine legalized and formalized the Christianity of the time in the Roman Empire, Constantine sought to unify the newly recognized Church and remove theological divisions.[4] The Christian Church was divided over disagreements on Christology, or the nature of the relationship between the first and second persons of the Trinity. Homoousian Christians, including Athanasius of Alexandria, used Arius and Arianism as epithets to describe those who disagreed with their doctrine of coequal Trinitarianism, a Homoousian Christology representing God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son as "of one essence" ("consubstantial") and co-eternal.
Negative writings describe Arius' theology as one in which there was a time before the Son of God, when only God the Father existed. Despite concerted opposition, Arian Christian churches persisted throughout Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa, especially in various Germanic kingdoms, until suppressed by military conquest or voluntary royal conversion between the fifth and seventh centuries.
The Son's precise relationship with the Father had been discussed for decades before Arius' advent; Arius intensified the controversy and carried it to a Church-wide audience, where others like Eusebius of Nicomedia proved much more influential in the long run. In fact, some later Arians disavowed the name, claiming not to have been familiar with the man or his specific teachings.[5][6] However, because the conflict between Arius and his foes brought the issue to the theological forefront, the doctrine he proclaimed—though had not originated—is generally labeled as "his".en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arius~~ God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit are Eternal! from Everlasting to Everlasting. Micah 5: 2. But thou, O Bethlehem, Ephrata, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OLD, FROM EVERLASTING.
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 10:14:31 GMT -5
JUST KEEP ON WALKING
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 10:41:31 GMT -5
People have been arguing about the trinity since the 4th century. The reason neither side has won in all those years is because neither side has any evidence. It’s all just conjecture. There is nothing based on demonstrable reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 10:46:41 GMT -5
People have been arguing about the trinity since the 4th century. The reason neither side has won in all those years is because neither side has any evidence. It’s all just conjecture. There is nothing based on demonstrable reality. Sorry I thought your video was more about anti-salvation rather than anti-trinity.... |
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 11:00:26 GMT -5
People have been arguing about the trinity since the 4th century. The reason neither side has won in all those years is because neither side has any evidence. It’s all just conjecture. There is nothing based on demonstrable reality. Sorry I thought your video was more about anti-salvation rather than anti-trinity.... It’s all only myth. If you can’t be certain about the most basic question of the nature god, then there isn’t any hope to get agreement on any other ideas when you can’t get past this basic one. This is why there are so many denominations. Millions of hours have been wasted on the Trinity debate. Better to spend your time on things that are real, where you can help yourself, and others. I’m waiting to see next a long debate on; How many angels can dance on the head of pin? |
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Post by Dan on Nov 6, 2021 12:48:11 GMT -5
I've heard both sides... To be honest, I believe if someone accepts Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, believes Jesus has risen, reigns in heaven, and will return in judgement with all the power in heaven and earth, that's enough to be saved. If Jesus wasn't deity from the beginning, he certainly is now, and that's all one needs to comprehend. I however, am personally convinced that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all existed in Genesis one..
God the Father (El), referring to YHVH, and Elohim in the plural, as indicated in "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26)
The Holy Spirit was there from the beginning too, "The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" The (Genesis 1:2). Father the knowledge, Son the Word, Spirit the power, all comprise God the One.
"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known" (John 1:18 NIV).
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Revelation 22: 12-13).
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).
"The LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Zechariah 14:5). Who's returning in judgement?
"The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD" (Mark 1:3).. The LORD, not just another man.
God is a plural One 
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Post by Annan on Nov 6, 2021 12:58:54 GMT -5
Sorry I thought your video was more about anti-salvation rather than anti-trinity.... It’s all only myth. If you can’t be certain about the most basic question of the nature god, then there isn’t any hope to get agreement on any other ideas when you can’t get past this basic one. This is why there are so many denominations. Millions of hours have been wasted on the Trinity debate. Better to spend your time on things that are real, where you can help yourself, and others. I’m waiting to see next a long debate on; How many angels can dance on the head of pin? When I first came on the forum, even though I was not a believer, I ask questions because I wanted to understand how my father thought and I wanted to be able to possibly answer some of his questions. What is disheartening is that every time others post their opinions and try to have a discussion, share, and to reason things out, Nathan jumps in and tells them how wrong they are. Nathan seems to think the forum is his. He needs to start his own blog and leave those who wish to learn and share alone. |
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Post by fixit on Nov 6, 2021 13:34:20 GMT -5
It’s all only myth. If you can’t be certain about the most basic question of the nature god, then there isn’t any hope to get agreement on any other ideas when you can’t get past this basic one. This is why there are so many denominations. Millions of hours have been wasted on the Trinity debate. Better to spend your time on things that are real, where you can help yourself, and others. I’m waiting to see next a long debate on; How many angels can dance on the head of pin? When I first came on the forum, even though I was not a believer, I ask questions because I wanted to understand how my father thought and I wanted to be able to possibly answer some of his questions. What is disheartening is that every time others post their opinions and try to have a discussion, share, and to reason things out, Nathan jumps in and tells them how wrong they are. Nathan seems to think the forum is his. He needs to start his own blog and leave those who wish to learn and share alone. Nathan had his own Proboards forum but he didn't let anyone post apart from himself. At least he lets Wally post on TMB without squashing him. |
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Post by Grant on Nov 6, 2021 13:58:38 GMT -5
I've heard both sides... To be honest, I believe if someone accepts Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, believes Jesus has risen, reigns in heaven, and will return in judgement with all the power in heaven and earth, that's enough to be saved. If Jesus wasn't deity from the beginning, he certainly is now, and that's all one needs to comprehend. I however, am personally convinced that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all existed in Genesis one..
God the Father (El), referring to YHVH, and Elohim in the plural, as indicated in "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26)
The Holy Spirit was there from the beginning too, "The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" The (Genesis 1:2). Father the knowledge, Son the Word, Spirit the power, all comprise God the One.
"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known" (John 1:18 NIV).
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Revelation 22: 12-13).
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).
"The LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Zechariah 14:5). Who's returning in judgement?
"The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD" (Mark 1:3).. The LORD, not just another man.
God is a plural One
Non Trinitarians such as the JWs believe the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and that Jesus is diety, just that Jesus was the first born of all creation. Col 1 v 15. The verses you give refer to non Trinitarians as much as Trnitarians. Think about it, Jesus was created first and helped the Father create the world. They were all there in Genesis 1. John 1 v 18 in KJ says, No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Tell me how this contridicts with non Trinitarian views? You are only looking at it through Trinitarian eyes. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 6, 2021 14:19:52 GMT -5
It’s all only myth. If you can’t be certain about the most basic question of the nature god, then there isn’t any hope to get agreement on any other ideas when you can’t get past this basic one. This is why there are so many denominations. Millions of hours have been wasted on the Trinity debate. Better to spend your time on things that are real, where you can help yourself, and others. I’m waiting to see next a long debate on; How many angels can dance on the head of pin? When I first came on the forum, even though I was not a believer, I ask questions because I wanted to understand how my father thought and I wanted to be able to possibly answer some of his questions. What is disheartening is that every time others post their opinions and try to have a discussion, share, and to reason things out, Nathan jumps in and tells them how wrong they are. Nathan seems to think the forum is his. He needs to start his own blog and leave those who wish to learn and share alone. *** Why, are you lying so much, Witch. What kind of game are you playing now. Dan, Reborn, Rejoicing, Wally, fixit, Ram/Moutain, and others are particiants and you chime in with your lies on many threads. |
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 14:24:11 GMT -5
It’s all only myth. If you can’t be certain about the most basic question of the nature god, then there isn’t any hope to get agreement on any other ideas when you can’t get past this basic one. This is why there are so many denominations. Millions of hours have been wasted on the Trinity debate. Better to spend your time on things that are real, where you can help yourself, and others. I’m waiting to see next a long debate on; How many angels can dance on the head of pin? When I first came on the forum, even though I was not a believer, I ask questions because I wanted to understand how my father thought and I wanted to be able to possibly answer some of his questions. What is disheartening is that every time others post their opinions and try to have a discussion, share, and to reason things out, Nathan jumps in and tells them how wrong they are. Nathan seems to think the forum is his. He needs to start his own blog and leave those who wish to learn and share alone. Nathan is good for his science fiction posts. He could be the planets alien ambassador, but I like Betty better. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 6, 2021 14:29:06 GMT -5
When I first came on the forum, even though I was not a believer, I ask questions because I wanted to understand how my father thought and I wanted to be able to possibly answer some of his questions. What is disheartening is that every time others post their opinions and try to have a discussion, share, and to reason things out, Nathan jumps in and tells them how wrong they are. Nathan seems to think the forum is his. He needs to start his own blog and leave those who wish to learn and share alone. Nathan had his own Proboards forum but he didn't let anyone post apart from himself. At least he lets Wally post on TMB without squashing him. ** That is another lie from you. I had it opened forum then some body tried to sabotage with ads, posts to cause trouble and Chaos. I locked and deleted the trouble makers from postingb but they are welcome to read the threads. Then I opened a board for posting for people asking questions. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 6, 2021 17:24:10 GMT -5
I've heard both sides... To be honest, I believe if someone accepts Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, believes Jesus has risen, reigns in heaven, and will return in judgement with all the power in heaven and earth, that's enough to be saved. If Jesus wasn't deity from the beginning, he certainly is now, and that's all one needs to comprehend. I however, am personally convinced that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all existed in Genesis one..
God the Father (El), referring to YHVH, and Elohim in the plural, as indicated in "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26)
The Holy Spirit was there from the beginning too, "The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" The (Genesis 1:2). Father the knowledge, Son the Word, Spirit the power, all comprise God the One.
"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known" (John 1:18 NIV).
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Revelation 22: 12-13).
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).
"The LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" (Zechariah 14:5). Who's returning in judgement?
"The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD" (Mark 1:3).. The LORD, not just another man.
God is a plural One
Non Trinitarians such as the JWs believe the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and that Jesus is diety, just that Jesus was the first born of all creation. Col 1 v 15. The verses you give refer to non Trinitarians as much as Trnitarians. Think about it, Jesus was created first and helped the Father create the world. They were all there in Genesis 1. John 1 v 18 in KJ says, No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Tell me how this contridicts with non Trinitarian views? You are only looking at it through Trinitarian eyes. It can also be seriously contested that what John was meaning was: First we had Moses, who brought the old law, then later Christ came on the scene and brought grace and truth. No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten son (Jesus), who is (NOW) in the bosom of the the Father, he declared him to us (during his ministry). John 1 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 6, 2021 17:27:00 GMT -5
When I first came on the forum, even though I was not a believer, I ask questions because I wanted to understand how my father thought and I wanted to be able to possibly answer some of his questions. What is disheartening is that every time others post their opinions and try to have a discussion, share, and to reason things out, Nathan jumps in and tells them how wrong they are. Nathan seems to think the forum is his. He needs to start his own blog and leave those who wish to learn and share alone. Nathan is good for his science fiction posts. He could be the planets alien ambassador, but I like Betty better. youtu.be/92HThhW0pAE*** Remember, Science fiction Star Trek series in 1960s with Giant TV Screen, computers, flip phones, laser weapons, USS enterprise Space ships... Now, is Science Facts we have giant TV screens, flip phones, laser weapons, space ships/Space Force Station in space. These things are no longer Science fiction but Science Facts. |
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 17:29:40 GMT -5
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Both verses can't be true.
Exodus 33:11 KJV
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 6, 2021 17:46:59 GMT -5
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Both verses can't be true.
Exodus 33:11 KJV
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.*** Good Observation! So, my explaination is No man has seen God the Father at any time in the Old Testament; and the Lord/God that people SAW was Christ God the Son. In 95 A.D. After Jesus had paid the ransom price on Calvary, God the Father allowed John the apostle to see His Spirit manifests and sits on the throne in heaven Rev. Chapters 4-5. |
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 18:04:52 GMT -5
Nathan is good for his science fiction posts. He could be the planets alien ambassador, but I like Betty better. youtu.be/92HThhW0pAE*** Remember, Science fiction Star Trek series in 1960s with Giant TV Screen, computers, flip phones, laser weapons, USS enterprise Space ships... Now, is Science Facts we have giant TV screens, flip phones, laser weapons, space ships/Space Force Station in space. These things are no longer Science fiction but Science Facts. FYI: Gene Roddenberry became an atheist when he was a teenager. His parents were religious. I have noticed that many big ideas or inventions take several generations before they become common knowledge. - MRNA, the idea behind the COVID vaccine was discovered in the 1960's- The electric car was produced long before TESLA ( 1890–91 by William Morrison of Des Moines, Iowa)I worked with these two technologies about 30 years ago and thought they must be "from the future". 3D Scanners youtu.be/BrcuS7dpQokXRF Handheld Analyzers youtu.be/I97CMDJSTUYPrinted organs youtu.be/-Boc_TPwwYo |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 6, 2021 18:18:15 GMT -5
*** Remember, Science fiction Star Trek series in 1960s with Giant TV Screen, computers, flip phones, laser weapons, USS enterprise Space ships... Now, is Science Facts we have giant TV screens, flip phones, laser weapons, space ships/Space Force Station in space. These things are no longer Science fiction but Science Facts. FYI: Gene Roddenberry became an atheist when he was a teenager. His parents were religious. I have noticed that many big ideas or inventions take several generations before they become common knowledge. - MRNA, the idea behind the COVID vaccine was discovered in the 1960's- The electric car was produced long before TESLA ( 1890–91 by William Morrison of Des Moines, Iowa)I worked with these two technologies about 30 years ago and thought they must be "from the future". 3D Scanners youtu.be/BrcuS7dpQokXRF Handheld Analyzers youtu.be/I97CMDJSTUY** A lot of Star Trek already existed in real life 1960s but most public did NOT know about. Gene R. was allowed to know these things! in 1960s. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 18:26:58 GMT -5
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Both verses can't be true.
Exodus 33:11 KJV
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.They can if the second verse was an expression of speech. |
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 18:50:57 GMT -5
Both verses can't be true.
Exodus 33:11 KJV
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.They can if the second verse was an expression of speech. More problems later on in Exodus 33
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. |
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Post by fixit on Nov 6, 2021 19:31:25 GMT -5
Nathan had his own Proboards forum but he didn't let anyone post apart from himself. At least he lets Wally post on TMB without squashing him. ** That is another lie from you. I had it opened forum then some body tried to sabotage with ads, posts to cause trouble and Chaos. I locked and deleted the trouble makers from postingb but they are welcome to read the threads. Then I opened a board for posting for people asking questions. Would you be OK to only ask questions on TMB? |
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Post by fixit on Nov 6, 2021 19:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Nov 6, 2021 20:49:06 GMT -5
It means more than ONE. Like One El/God the Father; One EL/God Christ; One EL/God Holy Spirit..... EL= together the become Elohim/Plural. Genesis 1:26 Elohim God/Plural said, "Let us Create man in OUR image and in OUR Likeness." One Godhead with Three Persons “Let us make man in our image and in Our Likeness” (Genesis 1:26, KJV). God said, "Behold, the man has become like ONE of us ” (Genesis 3:22, RSV).
God’s plural nature is alluded to here, for He could not be talking to angels in these instances, because angels could not and did not help God create. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ, not the angels, created all things (I John 1:3; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:2).
In addition to speaking of God as one, and alluding to a plurality of God’s being, the Scriptures are quite specific as to naming God in terms of three persons. There is a person whom the Bible calls the Father, and the Father is designated as God the Father (Galatians 1:1).
The Bible talks about a person named Jesus, or the Son, or the Word, also called God. “The Word was God… ” (John 1:1, KJV). Jesus was “also calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God” (John 5:18, NASB).
There is a third person mentioned in the Scriptures called the Holy Spirit, and this person—different from the Father and the Son—is also called God (“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?… You have not lied to men but to God” (Acts 5:3, 4, RSV).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 20:49:44 GMT -5
They can if the second verse was an expression of speech. More problems later on in Exodus 33
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. that one explains itself.... |
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Post by xna on Nov 6, 2021 21:03:41 GMT -5
More problems later on in Exodus 33
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. that one explains itself.... How so? If I see your back - then I have seen you. I don't need to see you ALL naked, to say; I see you. :-) |
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