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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 12:37:17 GMT -5
Nathan,
From the early days of Christianity, satan has sought to conceal the one true God and his human being Son Jesus from us. He uses very deceptive means. He converted mens' thinking to believe that Jesus is God himself. He has pulled the veil of the trinity over mainstream Christendom to present his pagan concoction as being the real God, using the human understanding of men in his quest. Look at how Jesus responded when God revealed to Peter EXACTLY and FULLY who Jesus was/is? 'Thou art the Christ (human being Messiah), the son (human being) of the Living God. No revelation of Jesus being God himself or part of a triune God, etc. A human being sent (raised up) by God.
Satan has convinced the majority of Christendom about a false identity for Jesus and God. Be like Peter and see the proper fullness of who Jesus is. Don't add to it. Believe the words of Christ and you will be blessed for it and it will be counted to you for righteousness.
Many times you are told to believe in the son of God in order to be saved. Nowhere are you told to believe in God the Son, Jesus is God or a trinity in order to be saved. These things are to lead you away from the true identity of Christ which must be seen and believed in. The workers and others like them are very right with this belief. It's time you got yourself back under the Tree of Life on Guam. There's a few things you have been side-tracked with.
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Post by fixit on Nov 4, 2021 13:04:44 GMT -5
Nathan, do you wear a mask when you are filling up the tanks with gas (petrol)? It is quite obvious that your brain is being seriously affected by the fumes, or something similar! No wonder Roselyn T and Cherie are way ahead in the poll! ** Ram, majority of RCC and 40,000 plus denomination are Triune God believers. There are only minority of Anti-Triune God churches are out in the world such as the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and now the 2x2s. There are very few churches that believe in science fiction - The Peoples Temple in Jonestown, Scientology and Nathan/Wallyism are some that come to mind. |
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Post by intelchips on Nov 4, 2021 13:37:58 GMT -5
** Ram, majority of RCC and 40,000 plus denomination are Triune God believers. There are only minority of Anti-Triune God churches are out in the world such as the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and now the 2x2s. There are very few churches that believe in science fiction - The Peoples Temple in Jonestown, Scientology and Nathan/Wallyism are some that come to mind. Oh, fixit, look here, I found it in fibber Mcgees's closet, The trinity Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of "Spiritus Mundi" Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indigent desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? --------The Second Coming by William Butler Yeats |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 14:08:34 GMT -5
Ram, Lucifer/Satan KNOWS about the Triune God in heaven he served and took orders from God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Lucifer was one of the highest arch angels of God in heaven so, he KNOWS who are the Triune God his Creator Christ read Hebrws chapter 1. Let ALL of the angels of God worship God and Christ.
Christ/God came down from heaven incarnate in the person Jesus/God is with us and He explain the Triune God- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit to His apostles in John chapters 15-18.
Lucifer tried to bring confusion and Chaos among the believers by Muddle the water with Anti-Trinity doctrine, this way they fight among themselves so they can't worship the God head in Spirit and in Truth.
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 14:13:56 GMT -5
** Ram, majority of RCC and 40,000 plus denomination are Triune God believers. There are only minority of Anti-Triune God churches are out in the world such as the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and now the 2x2s. There are very few churches that believe in science fiction - The Peoples Temple in Jonestown, Scientology and Nathan/Wallyism are some that come to mind. ** It's NOT science fiction but Science Fact for millions and billions of years! You don't know Science fiction from Science facts, mate. "Q" from TMB KNOWS the difference between Science Fiction and Science Facts because he he heard and saw it with own eyes. |
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Post by reborn on Nov 4, 2021 14:38:47 GMT -5
Nathan, From the early days of Christianity, satan has sought to conceal the one true God and his human being Son Jesus from us. He uses very deceptive means. He converted mens' thinking to believe that Jesus is God himself. He has pulled the veil of the trinity over mainstream Christendom to present his pagan concoction as being the real God, using the human understanding of men in his quest. Look at how Jesus responded when God revealed to Peter EXACTLY and FULLY who Jesus was/is? 'Thou art the Christ (human being Messiah), the son (human being) of the Living God. No revelation of Jesus being God himself or part of a triune God, etc. A human being sent (raised up) by God. Satan has convinced the majority of Christendom about a false identity for Jesus and God. Be like Peter and see the proper fullness of who Jesus is. Don't add to it. Believe the words of Christ and you will be blessed for it and it will be counted to you for righteousness. Many times you are told to believe in the son of God in order to be saved. Nowhere are you told to believe in God the Son, Jesus is God or a trinity in order to be saved. These things are to lead you away from the true identity of Christ which must be seen and believed in. The workers and others like them are very right with this belief. It's time you got yourself back under the Tree of Life on Guam. There's a few things you have been side-tracked with. Only Begotten! Think of Jesus birth- was not a normal human conception at all. When Jesus came into the world even the Angels of heaven |
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Post by fixit on Nov 4, 2021 14:39:33 GMT -5
There are very few churches that believe in science fiction - The Peoples Temple in Jonestown, Scientology and Nathan/Wallyism are some that come to mind. ** It's NOT science fiction but Science Fact for millions and billions of years! You don't know Science fiction from Science facts, mate. "Q" from TMB KNOWS the difference between Science Fiction and Science Facts because he he heard and saw it with own eyes. Hey Natey, do you know what the word naive means? |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 14:44:22 GMT -5
Nathan, From the early days of Christianity, satan has sought to conceal the one true God and his human being Son Jesus from us. He uses very deceptive means. He converted mens' thinking to believe that Jesus is God himself. He has pulled the veil of the trinity over mainstream Christendom to present his pagan concoction as being the real God, using the human understanding of men in his quest. Look at how Jesus responded when God revealed to Peter EXACTLY and FULLY who Jesus was/is? 'Thou art the Christ (human being Messiah), the son (human being) of the Living God. No revelation of Jesus being God himself or part of a triune God, etc. A human being sent (raised up) by God. Satan has convinced the majority of Christendom about a false identity for Jesus and God. Be like Peter and see the proper fullness of who Jesus is. Don't add to it. Believe the words of Christ and you will be blessed for it and it will be counted to you for righteousness. Many times you are told to believe in the son of God in order to be saved. Nowhere are you told to believe in God the Son, Jesus is God or a trinity in order to be saved. These things are to lead you away from the true identity of Christ which must be seen and believed in. The workers and others like them are very right with this belief. It's time you got yourself back under the Tree of Life on Guam. There's a few things you have been side-tracked with. Only Begotten! Think of Jesus birth- was not a normal human conception at all. When Jesus came into the world even the Angels of heaven sang! God's only begotten human being Son. A very special birth through whom God would offer salvation to the world. A special birth that meant God was with us (through his human being son). Adam was not a normal human conception either. Nor Eve. Like all births, creations, they are miracles of God. John the Baptist told the Pharisees that God could raise up children to Abraham from a pile of stones. God does the impossible. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 14:46:44 GMT -5
** It's NOT science fiction but Science Fact for millions and billions of years! You don't know Science fiction from Science facts, mate. "Q" from TMB KNOWS the difference between Science Fiction and Science Facts because he he heard and saw it with own eyes. Hey Natey, do you know what the word naive means? ** I think that fit you perfectly Fixit naive, doubter and an unbeliever. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 14:49:20 GMT -5
Ram, Lucifer/Satan KNOWS about the Triune God in heaven he served and took orders from God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit. Lucifer was one of the highest arch angels of God in heaven so, he KNOWS who are the Triune God his Creator Christ read Hebrws chapter 1. Let ALL of the angels of God worship God and Christ. Y ou will need to explain this, quoting in full the scriptural references you are relying on and explaining your understanding of them.
Christ/God came down from heaven incarnate in the person Jesus/God is with us and He explain the Triune God- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit to His apostles in John chapters 15-18. [font size="2"]Again quote the passages along with your understanding of them. It appears you have been indulging in science fiction again.
[/font] Lucifer tried to bring confusion and Chaos among the believers by Muddle the water with Anti-Trinity doctrine, this way they fight among themselves so they can't worship the God head in Spirit and in Truth. Lucifer certainly muddied the waters with trinitarian/pagan doctrine.
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 14:58:58 GMT -5
Only Begotten! Think of Jesus birth- was not a normal human conception at all. When Jesus came into the world even the Angels of heaven sang! God's only begotten human being Son. A very special birth through whom God would offer salvation to the world. A special birth that meant God was with us (through his human being son). Adam was not a normal human conception either. Nor Eve. Like all births, creations, they are miracles of God. John the Baptist told the Pharisees that God could raise up children to Abraham from a pile of stones. God does the impossible. ** The Son is God the Christ in heaven! The God/LORD that the Adam, Eve had fellowship in the garden of Eden and Abraham and Sarah saw saw in the Old Testament days was the Christ in human form. No human being had seen God the Father; The God being which people saw was God the Christ. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 15:24:57 GMT -5
God's only begotten human being Son. A very special birth through whom God would offer salvation to the world. A special birth that meant God was with us (through his human being son). Adam was not a normal human conception either. Nor Eve. Like all births, creations, they are miracles of God. John the Baptist told the Pharisees that God could raise up children to Abraham from a pile of stones. God does the impossible. ** The Son is God the Christ in heaven! Show this from scriptural references and your understanding of same!
The God/LORD that the Adam, Eve had fellowship in the garden of Eden and Abraham and Sarah saw saw in the Old Testament days was the Christ in human form. Show this from scriptural references and your understanding of same!
No human being had seen God the Father; The God being which people saw was God the Christ. John 1
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Where does it say that the God which people saw was God the Christ. Unless you can show this from scripture, I will relegate this to an over fertile imagination. It is well accepted that the God which people saw in the OT was in fact angels appearing on God's behalf.
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Post by mrdobalina on Nov 4, 2021 15:25:17 GMT -5
God's only begotten human being Son. A very special birth through whom God would offer salvation to the world. A special birth that meant God was with us (through his human being son). Adam was not a normal human conception either. Nor Eve. Like all births, creations, they are miracles of God. John the Baptist told the Pharisees that God could raise up children to Abraham from a pile of stones. God does the impossible. No human being had seen God the Father That's quite a convenient story line they created there. . . . . . .neither has any other man made god that's been dreamed up before or since. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 15:35:52 GMT -5
** The Son is God the Christ in heaven! Show this from scriptural references and your understanding of same!
The God/LORD that the Adam, Eve had fellowship in the garden of Eden and Abraham and Sarah saw saw in the Old Testament days was the Christ in human form. Show this from scriptural references and your understanding of same!
No human being had seen God the Father; The God being which people saw was God the Christ. John 1
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Where does it say that the God which people saw was God the Christ. Unless you can show this from scripture, I will relegate this to an over fertile imagination. It is well accepted that the God which people saw in the OT was in fact angels appearing on God's behalf.
*** I have all the verses stored up on my computer at home. I will show it to you when I get home. |
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Post by reborn on Nov 4, 2021 15:42:38 GMT -5
God's only begotten human being Son. A very special birth through whom God would offer salvation to the world. A special birth that meant God was with us (through his human being son). Adam was not a normal human conception either. Nor Eve. Like all births, creations, they are miracles of God. John the Baptist told the Pharisees that God could raise up children to Abraham from a pile of stones. God does the impossible. ** The Son is God the Christ in heaven! The God/LORD that the Adam, Eve had fellowship in the garden of Eden and Abraham and Sarah saw saw in the Old Testament days was the Christ in human form. No human being had seen God the Father; The God being which people saw was God the Christ. Amen Nathan. One of the names of Jesus is King of glory. Psalm24:8- Who is this king of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Lift up your heads you gates; lift them up you ancient doors, that the king of glory may come in. Who is this king of glory? The LORD Allmighty he is the king of glory. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 16:00:48 GMT -5
** The Son is God the Christ in heaven! The God/LORD that the Adam, Eve had fellowship in the garden of Eden and Abraham and Sarah saw saw in the Old Testament days was the Christ in human form. No human being had seen God the Father; The God being which people saw was God the Christ. Amen Nathan. One of the names of Jesus is King of glory. Psalm24:8- Who is this king of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Lift up your heads you gates; lift them up you ancient doors, that the king of glory may come in. Who is this king of glory? The LORD Allmighty he is the king of glory. Jesus is indeed king of kings and lord of lords. When Jesus returns he will do so accompanied by the glory of God. He is still acting on God's behalf and remember, of himself Jesus is nothing. It is God working in and through him |
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Post by speak on Nov 4, 2021 16:11:46 GMT -5
He was talking literally but about something much worse, if someone harmed one of God's little ones. *** It was a figure of speech to get their attention at first but he will deal with them far worse after the day of Judgement. Say nathan which of your lies do you like the most? |
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Post by speak on Nov 4, 2021 16:19:22 GMT -5
Has the Trinity been fixed yet? Next year maybe  |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 16:19:31 GMT -5
No human being had seen God the Father That's quite a convenient story line they created there. . . . . . .neither has any other man made god that's been dreamed up before or since. ** God the Father sits on His throne, He sent Christ/God the Son to fulfill His plans and to interact with the humans on earth face to face in human form. We read God the Father speaks from heaven during the baptism of Jesus when he said, " This is my beloved Son, hear ye Him." Another time on the Mt. of transfiguration when Moses and Elijah appeared and encouraged Jesus to die/for their sins on Calvary's and the sins of the whole world. God the Father spoke from heaven again to Peter, James and John. " This is my beloved Son, you listen to Him." No man has seen God the Father in the Old Testament, they Only heard His Voice. However, around 95 A.D. in the book of Revelation God allowed John the apostle entered heaven in the Spirit and there he saw God the Father/Spirit sits on the center of the throne and Christ/God the Lamb of God sat at His right side. Read Rev chapters 4-5. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 16:20:37 GMT -5
*** I have all the verses stored up on my computer at home. I will show it to you when I get home. No data dumps Nathan. Fully explain your understanding of each and every reference you are relying on. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 16:23:19 GMT -5
*** I have all the verses stored up on my computer at home. I will show it to you when I get home. No data dumps Nathan. Fully explain your understanding of each and every reference you are relying on. ** The scriptures or God/Christ will explain Himself, I don't need to say anything. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 16:30:39 GMT -5
No data dumps Nathan. Fully explain your understanding of each and every reference you are relying on. ** The scriptures will explained itself. No Nathan. If you wish engage, you will have to present your understandings. Your data dumps invite people to scroll right past them. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 16:31:01 GMT -5
Amen Nathan. One of the names of Jesus is King of glory. Psalm24:8- Who is this king of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Lift up your heads you gates; lift them up you ancient doors, that the king of glory may come in. Who is this king of glory? The LORD Allmighty he is the king of glory. Jesus is indeed king of kings and lord of lords. When Jesus returns he will do so accompanied by the glory of God. He is still acting on God's behalf and remember, of himself Jesus is nothing. It is God working in and through him ** No, Christ God was the King of kings and Creator of the heavens, the earth, the Universe and all angels and beings LONG before he incarnate as Jesus the son of man and God on earth 2000 years ago. Read John 1:1-14. ALL things were created by Christ, without Him nothing was made. Christ was in the world and the world was made by Him and the world knew Him NOT. He came Unto His own people and they receive Him NOT as their Messiah/Redeemer. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 16:32:35 GMT -5
Has the Trinity been fixed yet? The poll is still active. Have patience Bob. |
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Post by nathan02 on Nov 4, 2021 16:53:48 GMT -5
** The scriptures will explained itself. No Nathan. If you wish engage, you will have to present your understandings. Your data dumps invite people to scroll right past them. ** I do engage and have presented my understanding and I get in trouble for it... Speak your Buddy said My understanding is InIquIty too many I's. That is why I sometimes refer to God and Christ's teachings No, I there. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 17:11:25 GMT -5
Jesus is indeed king of kings and lord of lords. When Jesus returns he will do so accompanied by the glory of God. He is still acting on God's behalf and remember, of himself Jesus is nothing. It is God working in and through him ** No, Christ God was the King of kings and Creator of the heavens, the earth, the Universe and all angels and beings LONG before he incarnate as Jesus the son of man and God on earth 2000 years ago. Read John 1:1-14. ALL things were created by Christ, without Him nothing was made. Christ was in the world and the world was made by Him and the world knew Him NOT. He came Unto His own people and they receive Him NOT as their Messiah/Redeemer. Nathan, in the recent past, on another thread, we briefly discussed these self same passages. I presented THREE independent authorities on youtubes all fully explaining what John 1 is actually saying. Also a full document showing clearly that Jesus is not the word or logos of God. I could present all these again, but you are not interested in engaging properly in these matters. I will discuss things with you word by word, one reference at a time, with genuine dialogue, but I rather suspect you do not want this. You want to dictate. Nathan is right. Always right. But you will not properly engage but rather obfuscate a debate with huge data dumps that kill any prospect of orderly debate. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 17:15:15 GMT -5
No Nathan. If you wish engage, you will have to present your understandings. Your data dumps invite people to scroll right past them. ** I do engage and have presented my understanding and I get in trouble for it... Speak your Buddy said My understanding is InIquIty too many I's. That is why I sometimes refer to God and Christ's teachings No, I there. You're dealing with me. No one else. Although, I have tried in the past to get you to run your posts past Virgs or two workers, but you refuse to do this. When I add (Virgs) at the end of a post, you know it is built on solid foundation. John 1 is not saying what you think it is saying. Mind you, you are not alone in that. |
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Post by mountain on Nov 4, 2021 17:34:10 GMT -5
Nathan, in the recent past, on another thread, we briefly discussed these self same passages. I presented THREE independent authorities on youtubes all fully explaining what John 1 is actually saying. Also a full document showing clearly that Jesus is not the word or logos of God. I could present all these again, but you are not interested in engaging properly in these matters. I will discuss things with you word by word, one reference at a time, with genuine dialogue, but I rather suspect you do not want this. You want to dictate. Nathan is right. Always right. But you will not properly engage but rather obfuscate a debate with huge data dumps that kill any prospect of orderly debate. ** I They are false and I gave you verses in John 1:1-3 and Rev. 19 where John confirm The God/Logos is Christ's name. They are only false because you want them to be false. You can't explain why they are false, simply because you have never watched/read them. I showed you that Revelation 19 is about God with Jesus acting as his witness, but that has obviously sailed right over your head. I am beginning to wonder that other people are right about you being wrong? |
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