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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 11:13:35 GMT -5
The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation. You would have to be brainwashed in order to call church a cult.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 4, 2021 11:30:38 GMT -5
The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation. You would have to be brainwashed in order to call church a cult. You know, I was thinking about this (or something close to this) this morning on the way taking my mom to meeting. I think there is something in the numbers game. If the so-called truth is the only way why is it so small as compared to other groups? Is there something about larger groups that makes them impossible to know what is good for them (or if they are right thinking)?
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 11:49:28 GMT -5
Jesus stated in all of the Gospels that others would find wide, broad ways in their "own" way of thinking without coming to the only Truth. With this being said, the only narrow way that leads to God concludes to be the Truth.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 4, 2021 12:06:01 GMT -5
Jesus stated in all of the Gospels that others would find wide, broad ways in their "own" way of thinking without coming to the only Truth. With this being said, the only narrow way that leads to God concludes to be the Truth. bk can you give us clear fact checked evidence that whoever Jesus was (or isn't) said anything? Can you prove that the Gospels writers were quoting anything except themselves? The Romans use to believe Romulus was the founder of their city. How many today still believe that?
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Post by verna on Jul 4, 2021 12:30:21 GMT -5
The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation. You would have to be brainwashed in order to call church a cult. Explain please.
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Post by verna on Jul 4, 2021 12:34:08 GMT -5
Jesus stated in all of the Gospels that others would find wide, broad ways in their "own" way of thinking without coming to the only Truth. With this being said, the only narrow way that leads to God concludes to be the Truth. Are you being serious or sarcastic? There are smaller groups than the 2x2s I’m sure. Perhaps they are the true way. Or am I misunderstanding?
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 12:48:11 GMT -5
The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation. It's very common for cults to be of a small capacity especially if they're sadistic in nature.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 12:51:27 GMT -5
Jesus stated in all of the Gospels that others would find wide, broad ways in their "own" way of thinking without coming to the only Truth. With this being said, the only narrow way that leads to God concludes to be the Truth. Are you being serious or sarcastic? There are smaller groups than the 2x2s I’m sure. Perhaps they are the true way. Or am I misunderstanding? I'm being serious not sarcastic. Yes, there are probably churches that consist of smaller sizes but only the narrow way is the only true way.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 12:56:37 GMT -5
Jesus stated in all of the Gospels that others would find wide, broad ways in their "own" way of thinking without coming to the only Truth. With this being said, the only narrow way that leads to God concludes to be the Truth. bk can you give us clear fact checked evidence that whoever Jesus was (or isn't) said anything? Can you prove that the Gospels writers were quoting anything except themselves? The Romans use to believe Romulus was the founder of their city. How many today still believe that? 2 Timothy 3:16. Every piece of scripture is God-breathed meaning that they came from God and is profited for the correction of doctrine and in righteousness. I'm paraphrasing here. In conclusion, what the apostles said and wrote were credible and true, because their words came from God and we're inspired by and through Him so that others through Him could believe.
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Post by verna on Jul 4, 2021 13:01:18 GMT -5
Are you being serious or sarcastic? There are smaller groups than the 2x2s I’m sure. Perhaps they are the true way. Or am I misunderstanding? I'm being serious not sarcastic. Yes, there are probably churches that consist of smaller sizes but only the narrow way is the only true way. I will need to learn more about your views in order to respond. I don’t even know where to start, nor do I necessarily even want to interfere with what appears to be your certainty.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 4, 2021 13:10:41 GMT -5
bk can you give us clear fact checked evidence that whoever Jesus was (or isn't) said anything? Can you prove that the Gospels writers were quoting anything except themselves? The Romans use to believe Romulus was the founder of their city. How many today still believe that? 2 Timothy 3:16. Every piece of scripture is God-breathed meaning that they came from God and is profited for the correction of doctrine and in righteousness. I'm paraphrasing here. In conclusion, what the apostles said and wrote were credible and true, because their words came from God and we're inspired by and through Him so that others through Him could believe. So many questions I will most likely forget some but here goes. Why should one pay any attention to your God as opposed to any other God? Why does your God new men to speak for it? Why once mankind discovered the scientific method did most of them not need a God any more?
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 13:12:22 GMT -5
I'm being serious not sarcastic. Yes, there are probably churches that consist of smaller sizes but only the narrow way is the only true way. I will need to learn more about your views in order to respond. I don’t even know where to start, nor do I necessarily even want to interfere with what appears to be your certainty. We can agree to disagree on this subject matter without starting an argument. Thank you for that.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 13:19:39 GMT -5
2 Timothy 3:16. Every piece of scripture is God-breathed meaning that they came from God and is profited for the correction of doctrine and in righteousness. I'm paraphrasing here. In conclusion, what the apostles said and wrote were credible and true, because their words came from God and we're inspired by and through Him so that others through Him could believe. So many questions I will most likely forget some but here goes. Why should one pay any attention to your God as opposed to any other God? Why does your God new men to speak for it? Why once mankind discovered the scientific method did most of them not need a God any more? I'll state what I stated to Verna. We can agree to disagree without arguing. I won't mention any more on this subject matter but the following: Science consists of logic while the Bible has to do with God speaking to certain individuals that believed in the God who created us. Yes, people have other gods and you're correct about that. However, the Bible consists of only one God. In the Old Testament and Acts, there were people who worshipped and believed in other gods. It's your decision what God or gods you want to serve.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 4, 2021 13:22:46 GMT -5
So many questions I will most likely forget some but here goes. Why should one pay any attention to your God as opposed to any other God? Why does your God new men to speak for it? Why once mankind discovered the scientific method did most of them not need a God any more? I'll state what I stated to Verna. We can agree to disagree without arguing. I won't mention any more on this subject matter but the following: Science consists of logic while the Bible has to do with God speaking to certain individuals that believed in the God who created us. Yes, people have other gods and you're correct about that. However, the Bible consists of only one God. In the Old Testament and Acts, there were people who worshipped and believed in other gods. It's your decision what God or gods you want to serve. Not sure have you ever thought of this before and that is namely have you ever tired to think like the people mentioned in the Old Testament and if so how did they differ from the way you think?
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 13:36:24 GMT -5
I'll state what I stated to Verna. We can agree to disagree without arguing. I won't mention any more on this subject matter but the following: Science consists of logic while the Bible has to do with God speaking to certain individuals that believed in the God who created us. Yes, people have other gods and you're correct about that. However, the Bible consists of only one God. In the Old Testament and Acts, there were people who worshipped and believed in other gods. It's your decision what God or gods you want to serve. Not sure have you ever thought of this before and that is namely have you ever tired to think like the people mentioned in the Old Testament and if so how did they differ from the way you think? I refer to the Old Testament sometimes in my studies, but I believe in the new covenant, which is the New Testament not the old covenant like the Old Testament. The ten commandments are important for me to follow. However, the Old Testament believed in the sacrificing of humans, capital punishment, and murder so they disregard today's laws. With this being said, there are certain aspects of the Old Testament that we can't behave and think in similarity to.
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Post by Dan on Jul 4, 2021 13:52:19 GMT -5
bk can you give us clear fact checked evidence that whoever Jesus was (or isn't) said anything? Can you prove that the Gospels writers were quoting anything except themselves? The Romans use to believe Romulus was the founder of their city. How many today still believe that?
Can you give us evidence that anyone who live thousands of years ago actually said anything that they were quoted as saying? At least Jesus had +4 people quoting him and their quotes don't conflict. That certainly adds credibility to it being true.
So many questions I will most likely forget some but here goes. Why should one pay any attention to your God as opposed to any other God? Why does your God new men to speak for it? Why once mankind discovered the scientific method did most of them not need a God any more?
The words of Jesus ring true, his coming was prophesied, his resurrection was witnessed, his divinity substantiated. No other gods are so well documented because they never existed in the first place. God uses men & women for his divine purpose, but the Son of God spoke for it and he made no errors. Science has never created life, the need for God remains.
Not a religion, denomination, or group. The Truth is not a church, its Christ.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 13:59:08 GMT -5
bk can you give us clear fact checked evidence that whoever Jesus was (or isn't) said anything? Can you prove that the Gospels writers were quoting anything except themselves? The Romans use to believe Romulus was the founder of their city. How many today still believe that?
Can you give us evidence that anyone who live thousands of years ago actually said anything that they were quoted as saying? At least Jesus had +4 people quoting him and their quotes don't conflict. That certainly adds credibility to it being true.
So many questions I will most likely forget some but here goes. Why should one pay any attention to your God as opposed to any other God? Why does your God new men to speak for it? Why once mankind discovered the scientific method did most of them not need a God any more?
The words of Jesus ring true, his coming was prophesied, his resurrection was witnessed, his divinity substantiated. No other gods are so well documented because they never existed in the first place. God uses men & women for his divine purpose, but the Son of God spoke for it and he made no errors. Science has never created life, the need for God remains.
Not a religion, denomination, or group. The Truth is not a church, its Christ.
Your input is clear and concise. Thank you for this. I tried my best to explain.
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Post by Grant on Jul 4, 2021 14:12:13 GMT -5
Jesus stated in all of the Gospels that others would find wide, broad ways in their "own" way of thinking without coming to the only Truth. With this being said, the only narrow way that leads to God concludes to be the Truth. Your post has a professing/ workers ring about it. What truth are you talking about? The truth is Jesus, acvording to the Bible, Jesus is the narrow way, belief in him alone. The truth is not a particular church started up 120 years ago by a man named William William Irvine, as we grew up being incorrectly taught, minus the truth that it had actually been started by a man. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, he is the narrow way. The wide way is the world, those who do not believe in him, not those who follow Jesus, but the world. The Truth is Jesus. No one church alone can say they followers and the rest don't. To do so is to claim you are the Truth and way and not Jesus. That is adding to the Gospel and saying man is the way, not our trust and faith in Him.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 14:30:04 GMT -5
Jesus stated in all of the Gospels that others would find wide, broad ways in their "own" way of thinking without coming to the only Truth. With this being said, the only narrow way that leads to God concludes to be the Truth. Your post has a professing/ workers ring about it. What truth are you talking about? The truth is Jesus, acvording to the Bible, Jesus is the narrow way, belief in him alone. The truth is not a particular church started up 120 years ago by a man named William William Irvine, as we grew up being incorrectly taught, minus the truth that it had actually been started by a man. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, he is the narrow way. The wide way is the world, those who do not believe in him, not those who follow Jesus, but the world. The Truth is Jesus. No one church alone can say they followesus and the rest don't. To do so is to claim you are the Truth and way and not Jesus. That is adding to the Gospel and saying man is the way, not our trust and faith in Him. I meant truth both ways...obviously "the Truth" meaning the 2x2 way mainly. I also meant truth in regards to the belief system. Pilate asked "what is truth," before Jesus was crucified. What Pilate meant wasn't "the Truth" the 2x2 religion per say but the belief system. The truth consists of listening, believing, following, and obeying which is the steps to the belief system. Pilate somewhat believed when he said that his blood be on us and all of our children. Hope this clarifies your question.
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Post by verna on Jul 4, 2021 14:38:28 GMT -5
Your post has a professing/ workers ring about it. What truth are you talking about? The truth is Jesus, acvording to the Bible, Jesus is the narrow way, belief in him alone. The truth is not a particular church started up 120 years ago by a man named William William Irvine, as we grew up being incorrectly taught, minus the truth that it had actually been started by a man. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, he is the narrow way. The wide way is the world, those who do not believe in him, not those who follow Jesus, but the world. The Truth is Jesus. No one church alone can say they followesus and the rest don't. To do so is to claim you are the Truth and way and not Jesus. That is adding to the Gospel and saying man is the way, not our trust and faith in Him. I meant truth both ways...obviously "the Truth" meaning the 2x2 way mainly. I also meant truth in regards to the belief system. Pilate asked "what is truth," before Jesus was crucified. What Pilate meant wasn't "the Truth" the 2x2 religion per say but the belief system. The truth consists of listening, believing, following, and obeying which is the steps to the belief system. Pilate somewhat believed when he said that his blood be on us and all of our children. Hope this clarifies your question. So do you believe that what we refer to here as 2x2ism is “theTruth”, the narrow way. And do you below it is the only way?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 4, 2021 14:40:42 GMT -5
The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation. It's very common for cults to be of a small capacity especially if they're sadistic in nature. Sadists lurk in all sizes of cults. Look at the news coming out of Canada regarding how the Catholic Cult treated indigenous people.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 4, 2021 14:42:58 GMT -5
Your post has a professing/ workers ring about it. What truth are you talking about? The truth is Jesus, acvording to the Bible, Jesus is the narrow way, belief in him alone. The truth is not a particular church started up 120 years ago by a man named William William Irvine, as we grew up being incorrectly taught, minus the truth that it had actually been started by a man. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, he is the narrow way. The wide way is the world, those who do not believe in him, not those who follow Jesus, but the world. The Truth is Jesus. No one church alone can say they followesus and the rest don't. To do so is to claim you are the Truth and way and not Jesus. That is adding to the Gospel and saying man is the way, not our trust and faith in Him. I meant truth both ways...obviously "the Truth" meaning the 2x2 way mainly. I also meant truth in regards to the belief system. Pilate asked "what is truth," before Jesus was crucified. What Pilate meant wasn't "the Truth" the 2x2 religion per say but the belief system. The truth consists of listening, believing, following, and obeying which is the steps to the belief system. Pilate somewhat believed when he said that his blood be on us and all of our children. Hope this clarifies your question. I see you forgot the most obvious step. That step being to question. If that was implemented non of the latter would follow and the nonsense would soon dwindle to nothing.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 14:44:08 GMT -5
I meant truth both ways...obviously "the Truth" meaning the 2x2 way mainly. I also meant truth in regards to the belief system. Pilate asked "what is truth," before Jesus was crucified. What Pilate meant wasn't "the Truth" the 2x2 religion per say but the belief system. The truth consists of listening, believing, following, and obeying which is the steps to the belief system. Pilate somewhat believed when he said that his blood be on us and all of our children. Hope this clarifies your question. So do you believe that what we refer to here as 2x2ism is “theTruth”, the narrow way. And do you below it is the only way? In order to believe in the truth of Jesus, yes, the 2x2 religion is the only way.
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Post by Grant on Jul 4, 2021 14:44:21 GMT -5
Your post has a professing/ workers ring about it. What truth are you talking about? The truth is Jesus, acvording to the Bible, Jesus is the narrow way, belief in him alone. The truth is not a particular church started up 120 years ago by a man named William William Irvine, as we grew up being incorrectly taught, minus the truth that it had actually been started by a man. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, he is the narrow way. The wide way is the world, those who do not believe in him, not those who follow Jesus, but the world. The Truth is Jesus. No one church alone can say they followesus and the rest don't. To do so is to claim you are the Truth and way and not Jesus. That is adding to the Gospel and saying man is the way, not our trust and faith in Him. I meant truth both ways...obviously "the Truth" meaning the 2x2 way mainly. I also meant truth in regards to the belief system. Pilate asked "what is truth," before Jesus was crucified. What Pilate meant wasn't "the Truth" the 2x2 religion per say but the belief system. The truth consists of listening, believing, following, and obeying which is the steps to the belief system. Pilate somewhat believed when he said that his blood be on us and all of our children. Hope this clarifies your question. If by the Truth you are referring to the 2x2 church, which by the way was also started by a man, then you are adding to the Gospel. You are saying Jesus plus the workers are the way. Workers are to point people to Jesus alone not to Jesus plus themselves. Jesus is the narrow way, the world is the wide way. The world refers to those who do not believe in Jesus. The truth is not some church who say they are the Truth. The Jehovah Witnesses and some other groups also make claim to that. Those who claim that, to put it bluntly, are false ways because Jesus said he was the Truth not men. People sho say a particular church is the way are pointing people to themselves not Jesus.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 14:50:46 GMT -5
If you are referring to the Truth as the 2x2 church, which by the way was also started by a man, then you are adding to the Gospel. You are saying Jesus plus the workers are the way. Workers are to point people to Ke6sus alone not to Jesus plus themselves. Jesus is the narrow way, the world is the wide way. The world refers to those who do not believe in Jesus. The truth is not some church who say they are the Truth. The Jehovah Witnesses and some other groups also make claim to that. Those who claim that to put it bluntly, are false ways because Jesus said he was the Truth not men. People sho say a particular church is the way is pointing people to themselves not Jesus. You mean the 2x2 religion was started by William Irvine. However, the basics to the New Testament is what the world doesn't have to offer. The way the workers live, including how we are supposed to meet every week. Yes, the world might believe in the truth to some extent but not the same, thorough aspect as the 2x2 religion.
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Post by bk on Jul 4, 2021 14:53:12 GMT -5
I meant truth both ways...obviously "the Truth" meaning the 2x2 way mainly. I also meant truth in regards to the belief system. Pilate asked "what is truth," before Jesus was crucified. What Pilate meant wasn't "the Truth" the 2x2 religion per say but the belief system. The truth consists of listening, believing, following, and obeying which is the steps to the belief system. Pilate somewhat believed when he said that his blood be on us and all of our children. Hope this clarifies your question. I see you forgot the most obvious step. That step being to question. If that was implemented non of the latter would follow and the nonsense would soon dwindle to nothing. True. Obviously, we have to doubt our own belief system first before all of those steps to follow.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 4, 2021 14:54:00 GMT -5
bk can you give us clear fact checked evidence that whoever Jesus was (or isn't) said anything? Can you prove that the Gospels writers were quoting anything except themselves? The Romans use to believe Romulus was the founder of their city. How many today still believe that?
Can you give us evidence that anyone who live thousands of years ago actually said anything that they were quoted as saying? At least Jesus had +4 people quoting him and their quotes don't conflict. That certainly adds credibility to it being true.
So many questions I will most likely forget some but here goes. Why should one pay any attention to your God as opposed to any other God? Why does your God new men to speak for it? Why once mankind discovered the scientific method did most of them not need a God any more?
The words of Jesus ring true, his coming was prophesied, his resurrection was witnessed, his divinity substantiated. No other gods are so well documented because they never existed in the first place. God uses men & women for his divine purpose, but the Son of God spoke for it and he made no errors. Science has never created life, the need for God remains.
Not a religion, denomination, or group. The Truth is not a church, its Christ.
Circular reasonong makes you feel good.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 4, 2021 14:56:32 GMT -5
bk can you give us clear fact checked evidence that whoever Jesus was (or isn't) said anything? Can you prove that the Gospels writers were quoting anything except themselves? The Romans use to believe Romulus was the founder of their city. How many today still believe that? 2 Timothy 3:16. Every piece of scripture is God-breathed meaning that they came from God and is profited for the correction of doctrine and in righteousness. I'm paraphrasing here. In conclusion, what the apostles said and wrote were credible and true, because their words came from God and we're inspired by and through Him so that others through Him could believe. Quoting the bible to support the bible whether it's a bloke called Paul or a bloke called BK is still circular reasoning. I suppose it's like having a cuddly rug, it gives you a good feeling.
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