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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 0:35:27 GMT -5
nathan knows my position on the alien theory Queen of broken records...good try though You are still enabling him, so maybe you need to update your Christian attitude @wally ! where have i enabled the alien theory? proof please....
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 9, 2021 0:37:14 GMT -5
that would never hold up in a court of law and self-righteousness has little to do with proclaiming details of where people are headed... everyone can be a messenger/preaching/watchman, we've already been over this Queen of Broken records... who says its enjoyable? telling people to do the things to avoid hell is a duty not a popularity contest... good try though... None of that changes the fact that you are so full of your own self righteousness,that you have lost sight of what a Christian is suppose to be. Only a person who thinks they are perfect would "tell others" what they "should do". Be careful you don't fall of the wall @wally ! Whereas I think he's being the perfect christian.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 0:37:42 GMT -5
the only one close to the edge of anything appears to be you...good try though I'm not sitting on the wall calling myself a watchman and judging others like you are @wally !! you don't have to be on a wall to be near the edge. your edge happened when you rejected God/Christ and the Holy Spirit not a good place to be...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 9, 2021 0:42:27 GMT -5
I'm not sitting on the wall calling myself a watchman and judging others like you are @wally !! you don't have to be on a wall to be near the edge. your edge happened when you rejected God/Christ and the Holy Spirit not a good place to be... Putting yourself in the place of God again @wally !! Thanks again for proving my point !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 1:16:18 GMT -5
you don't have to be on a wall to be near the edge. your edge happened when you rejected God/Christ and the Holy Spirit not a good place to be... Putting yourself in the place of God again @wally !! Thanks again for proving my point ! once again you don't have a point...one of these days you might though so keep trying...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 9, 2021 18:24:53 GMT -5
But it wasn't the "Bible". The Bible didn't exist then. Duhh the OT did. where do you think the devil was quoting from? Maybe some scriptures of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 18:29:52 GMT -5
the OT did. where do you think the devil was quoting from? Maybe some scriptures of the day. that would have been the OT...or do have something else in mind?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 9, 2021 18:46:43 GMT -5
Maybe some scriptures of the day. that would have been the OT...or do have something else in mind? The OT of Jesus day was not the OT in your Bible. It would have been the Septuagint, the scriptures of the Greek speaking Jews in Egypt, and which included other scriptures not in the modern Protestant Bible. So I was indeed thinking of those possibilities. But they certainly weren't the only scriptures of the day. FWIW, modern day Satanists use the Protestant Holy Bible as scriptures.
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Post by chuck on Jun 9, 2021 19:05:37 GMT -5
that would have been the OT...or do have something else in mind? The OT of Jesus day was not the OT in your Bible. It would have been the Septuagint, the scriptures of the Greek speaking Jews in Egypt, and which included other scriptures not in the modern Protestant Bible. So I was indeed thinking of those possibilities. But they certainly weren't the only scriptures of the day. FWIW, modern day Satanists use the Protestant Holy Bible as scriptures. 🤯
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 19:07:28 GMT -5
that would have been the OT...or do have something else in mind? The OT of Jesus day was not the OT in your Bible. It would have been the Septuagint, the scriptures of the Greek speaking Jews in Egypt, and which included other scriptures not in the modern Protestant Bible. So I was indeed thinking of those possibilities. But they certainly weren't the only scriptures of the day. FWIW, modern day Satanists use the Protestant Holy Bible as scriptures. the only difference would have been said apocrypha and that it was written in greek... www.catholic.com/qa/in-which-passages-does-jesus-quote-the-septuagint-and-where-does-the-new-testament-allude-to-the"But, while the New Testament authors quoted the LXX frequently, it does not necessarily follow that Christ did. We know for certain that Jesus quoted the Hebrew Old Testament at times, since he read from the scrolls in the synagogue. But Jesus could have only quoted from the Hebrew, and the New Testament authors later used the Greek translation to record the fact."
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Post by joanna on Jul 16, 2021 19:55:00 GMT -5
Hello Dan May 18, 2021 at 10:25am Your reply to my comment The motto "Keep it simple" can be helpful when trying to work something out. Put simply, something which cannot be proven cannot then be identified as "Truth". When the workers or pastors/priests/bishops/imams/rabbis and so on stand before others and make truth claims that cannot be evidenced, they are undermining the core principles of their proselytising intent. Faith is used to try and justify the absence of evidence. Faith is used by individuals as a pass to make unverifiable claims that they expect to be accepted as fact. It is the reason for the in excess of 30,000 Christian sects and the thousands of gods representing the other supernatural beliefs. The lack of proof feeds the cauldron of what are simply irrational imaginings.
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Post by Dan on Jul 17, 2021 1:32:17 GMT -5
Hello Dan May 18, 2021 at 10:25am Your reply to my comment The motto "Keep it simple" can be helpful when trying to work something out. Put simply, something which cannot be proven cannot then be identified as "Truth". When the workers or pastors/priests/bishops/imams/rabbis and so on stand before others and make truth claims that cannot be evidenced, they are undermining the core principles of their proselytising intent. Faith is used to try and justify the absence of evidence. Faith is used by individuals as a pass to make unverifiable claims that they expect to be accepted as fact. It is the reason for the in excess of 30,000 Christian sects and the thousands of gods representing the other supernatural beliefs. The lack of proof feeds the cauldron of what are simply irrational imaginings.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 17, 2021 18:21:39 GMT -5
Hello Dan May 18, 2021 at 10:25am Your reply to my comment The motto "Keep it simple" can be helpful when trying to work something out. Put simply, something which cannot be proven cannot then be identified as "Truth". When the workers or pastors/priests/bishops/imams/rabbis and so on stand before others and make truth claims that cannot be evidenced, they are undermining the core principles of their proselytising intent. Faith is used to try and justify the absence of evidence. Faith is used by individuals as a pass to make unverifiable claims that they expect to be accepted as fact. It is the reason for the in excess of 30,000 Christian sects and the thousands of gods representing the other supernatural beliefs. The lack of proof feeds the cauldron of what are simply irrational imaginings. Is that the reason you chose a lion as your avatar Dan?
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Post by Dan on Jul 17, 2021 23:00:39 GMT -5
Is that the reason you chose a lion as your avatar Dan?
No, I just had 6 choices and liked the majestic King of the Jungle the best.
Symbolically, Jesus was known as the Lion of Judah (Revelation 5:5)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 0:30:29 GMT -5
Hello Dan May 18, 2021 at 10:25am Your reply to my comment The motto "Keep it simple" can be helpful when trying to work something out. Put simply, something which cannot be proven cannot then be identified as "Truth". When the workers or pastors/priests/bishops/imams/rabbis and so on stand before others and make truth claims that cannot be evidenced, they are undermining the core principles of their proselytising intent. Faith is used to try and justify the absence of evidence. Faith is used by individuals as a pass to make unverifiable claims that they expect to be accepted as fact. It is the reason for the in excess of 30,000 Christian sects and the thousands of gods representing the other supernatural beliefs. The lack of proof feeds the cauldron of what are simply irrational imaginings.
This same St. Augustine thought that men were given descended testicles to remind them of original sin. (Makes me think he played a baseball poorly and while writhing on the ground thought 'this hurts more than it should')
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Post by mountain on Jul 18, 2021 16:41:47 GMT -5
True Christian faith is not simply a blind belief as some imagine. True Christian faith is itself 'evidence' of the belief. It is correlated to Truth, which gives it its evidential value. Hebrews 11 gives a very good account of this. For most, true Christian faith is neither tangible nor understood, but for others it is life itself.
As the mighty jaguar stalks its prey, does not the diminutive warbler do likewise? Take heed therefore that ye be not like the slothful sailor who is careless with the wheel.
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Post by guest8 on Jul 18, 2021 16:50:07 GMT -5
Is that the reason you chose a lion as your avatar Dan?
No, I just had 6 choices and liked the majestic King of the Jungle the best.
Symbolically, Jesus was known as the Lion of Judah (Revelation 5:5)
Dan, How do you manage to insert all these photos? Every time I go to insert just a small KB pic, I get informed theres no allowance left on this board ! Is this because you guys are putting all this big stuff on? cheers
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Post by Dan on Jul 18, 2021 22:46:41 GMT -5
No, there's plenty of room for pics on the board. Do you use the "Insert Image" icon at the top? I simply copy an image location and then paste its http:// address on the "Insert Image" URL.
When you see an image you want to transfer, just right click on it and then left click "Copy image link". Then paste that link address in the 'Insert image' box on here by typing Ctrl + V.
You do the same thing with a video, except you right click the video and then click "Copy video URL", then paste (ctrl + V) that address in the "Insert video" icon box.
I have a PC, but a cell phone is harder (never tried that yet)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 18, 2021 23:05:47 GMT -5
No, there's plenty of room for pics on the board. Do you use the "Insert Image" icon at the top? I simply copy an image location and then paste its http:// address on the "Insert Image" URL.
When you see an image you want to transfer, just right click on it and then left click "Copy image link". Then paste that link address in the 'Insert image' box on here by typing Ctrl + V.
You do the same thing with a video, except you right click the video and then click "Copy video URL", then paste (ctrl + V) that address in the "Insert video" icon box.
I have a PC, but a cell phone is harder (never tried that yet)
i.redd.it/i1lg9afwa6j31.png
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2021 0:02:38 GMT -5
No, there's plenty of room for pics on the board. Do you use the "Insert Image" icon at the top? I simply copy an image location and then paste its http:// address on the "Insert Image" URL. When you see an image you want to transfer, just right click on it and then left click "Copy image link". Then paste that link address in the 'Insert image' box on here by typing Ctrl + V. You do the same thing with a video, except you right click the video and then click "Copy video URL", then paste (ctrl + V) that address in the "Insert video" icon box. I have a PC, but a cell phone is harder (never tried that yet)
i.redd.it/i1lg9afwa6j31.pngExactly.
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Post by guest8 on Jul 19, 2021 2:26:27 GMT -5
No, there's plenty of room for pics on the board. Do you use the "Insert Image" icon at the top? I simply copy an image location and then paste its http:// address on the "Insert Image" URL.
When you see an image you want to transfer, just right click on it and then left click "Copy image link". Then paste that link address in the 'Insert image' box on here by typing Ctrl + V.
You do the same thing with a video, except you right click the video and then click "Copy video URL", then paste (ctrl + V) that address in the "Insert video" icon box.
I have a PC, but a cell phone is harder (never tried that yet)
Thanks for your post Dan. I use an ipad. I think I understand what you are saying and will try it soon. Cheers.
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Post by terry on Jul 23, 2021 17:26:36 GMT -5
A Minister usually needs extensive training. Most churches require their Ministers to earn at least a bachelor's or master's degree in divinity, usually from a divinity school. Some Churches now require their ministers to earn a doctoral degree. Careers for Christian Ministers. Pastor. Sociologist. Teacher/Professor. Writer. Chaplain. Counselor. Missionary. Evangelist. You don't need any degree to do God's work, what you do need is the right heart, and to be ready to do his will. You don't get knowledge and understanding of God from a college, you can read and study all you want, but without the right heart it's nothing! God teaches and guides those who truly belong to him as they walk in the way of Jesus and bare witness to the truth. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 18:50:26 GMT -5
There is a professional requirement for Ministers that cannot be self taught. They have greater responsibilities beside preaching, such as pastoring and counselling, badly neglected areas with 2x2's.
Pastoral care covers many functions relating to spiritual health, counseling and education. A pastoral carer is somebody who focuses on providing spiritual support services like counseling, visitations to hospitals or prisons, palliative and bereavement care, prayer sessions and memorial services
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 19:00:45 GMT -5
I see it both ways I suppose. I think the concept of having a degree or certification of some kind isn't Somehow as convincing of merit as it might be in a non faith based pursuit.
However, I think that workers and other clergy in general would benefit greatly from a series of courses in history and literature.There is a decent case to be made that Paul never could have effectively preached grace apart from works if he did not already know intimately what a works based salvation through the Jewish tradition would look like. Knowing and being thoroughly educated in Paul's case made him highly effective.
As far as preaching the simple gospel, I guess I go back to the original 12. You could say that they were not educated, but you could also say that Jesus educated them for 4 years day in and day out.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 23, 2021 19:06:59 GMT -5
There is a professional requirement for Ministers that cannot be self taught. They have greater responsibilities beside preaching, such as pastoring and counselling, badly neglected areas with 2x2's. ** Your is tradition and system of men, how they train and teach their preachers and pastors through school/seminary of their way interpreting the scriptures according to their denomination understanding. The Baptists have scriptures to back up their Calvinists doctrines of once saved is always saved. The Pentecost denomination have verses in the Bible teach about Speaking in gibberish languages. The list goes on with other denominations also. Jesus taught the 12 and 70 apostles apprentice service hand on experience for 31/2 years then after he went back to heaven they became senior teachers and they teach the younger ones such as Paul, Timothy, Luke, Silas, john Mark, Sosthenes, Apollo and so on
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 23, 2021 19:07:50 GMT -5
You don't need any degree to do God's work, what you do need is the right heart, and to be ready to do his will. You don't get knowledge and understanding of God from a college, you can read and study all you want, but without the right heart it's nothing! God teaches and guides those who truly belong to him as they walk in the way of Jesus and bare witness to the truth. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. The theological schooling would at least help to sort out the dodgy ones. The ones that like little girls or little boys. The ones that bed the wife when the husband is at work. The ones that sneak off to places of pleasure. The ones that believe that planets are hollow. It seems the workers have always turned a blind eye to that. By doing that they are all guilty.
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Post by joanna on Jul 23, 2021 19:21:07 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee. The Australian Royal Commission into CSA revealed this was endemic in religious groups. So it seems it takes more than theology studies to identify abusers. The number of 'qualified' religious leaders and members who've been found guilty of CSA indicates the courses did not sort them out.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 23, 2021 19:23:44 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee . The Australian Royal Commission into CSA revealed this was endemic in religious groups. So it seems it takes more than theology studies to identify abusers. The number of 'qualified' religious leaders and members who've been found guilty of CSA indicates the courses did not sort them out. My point was that a theological school would at least help to sort them out. Even more so today because of the heat that has been applied to them through such things as the ARC. However the workers operate under the radar and the cases I know of in Australia and NZ show the workers up in a very poor light.
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