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Post by fixit on Feb 12, 2021 19:50:45 GMT -5
Yes, you down under 2x2s non-exclusive preach/teach it's OK go join the church of your choice, all will end up the same place in heaven Not me.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 19:55:02 GMT -5
Yes, you down under 2x2s non-exclusive preach/teach it's OK go join the church of your choice, all will end up the same place in heaven Not me. Yes, you do... we went round and round about this in the past, elder. I hope you've changed your stance..
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Post by fixit on Feb 12, 2021 20:07:14 GMT -5
Yes, you do... we went round and round about this in the past, elder. I hope you've changed your stance.. I've always said people are not saved by the church they belong to. Do you know of any church that guarantees the salvation of its members?
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 20:19:15 GMT -5
Yes, you do... we went round and round about this in the past, elder. I hope you've changed your stance.. I've always said people are not saved by the church they belong to. Do you know of any church that guarantees the salvation of its members? Yes, Jesus and the apostles New Testament Church which he established 2000 years ago... It has always been on earth... and it still on earth today! and to the time of Jesus returns to set up His eternal kingdom on earth.2000 years ago, John the apostle wrote in I John 1:1-7 and it STILL the SAME Today! Jesus Christ the same as Yesterday, today and forever.That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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Post by janj on Feb 12, 2021 20:35:06 GMT -5
I'll stick with our merciful, kind, forgiving Downunder God. You can have your QAnon/Trumpist/Venus vengeful God. Yes, you down under exes and 2x2s non-exclusive preach/teach it's OK go join the church of your choice, all will end up the same place in heaven and That is NOT what Jesus teaches. Read your Bible again Matthew 7:13-28, elder.
Heb. 10:30-31 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Nathan, How many times have you visited 'down under?
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Post by speak on Feb 12, 2021 20:54:23 GMT -5
What a lovely spirit you have, no love or even decency show there and even not with the truth of God. When one shows disrespect/contempt to another it is in direct contradiction to the truth of God. Rubbish. "The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." Psalm 58:10 "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord" Proverbs 1:26-29 "Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies." Psalm 139:21-22 And then we go to the New testament
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Post by speak on Feb 12, 2021 21:00:19 GMT -5
Pity so much is printed in this thread with graceless words.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 21:44:32 GMT -5
Yes, you down under exes and 2x2s non-exclusive preach/teach it's OK go join the church of your choice, all will end up the same place in heaven and That is NOT what Jesus teaches. Read your Bible again Matthew 7:13-28, elder.
Heb. 10:30-31 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Nathan, How many times have you visited 'down under? None. Why? I have heard a lot about down under the last 30 years. I met many of down under workers at our conventions, and had visited with 3 of them in person. I have visited many down under exes, 2x2s on TMB for over 20 years, that is PLENTY enough for me. No desire, to visit down under/Australia or NZ.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 12, 2021 23:12:57 GMT -5
Communism places man at the center of all things instead of God. We are being tempted by propaganda and the powers that be to conflate and exchange our relationship with God for ideological and cultural Marxism. Resist. Not quite right. Communism does place man at the centre of all things but it's the man in the mirror. God places man in the centre of things also but it's "other" men/women not the one in the mirror. ??
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 23:40:59 GMT -5
Not quite right. Communism does place man at the centre of all things but it's the man in the mirror. God places man in the centre of things also but it's "other" men/women not the one in the mirror. ?? Putting other's before yourself is God and the Character of Christ lived out. Socialism can't do that because it must destroy anyone that doesn't agree with the one in the mirror......
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2021 0:39:12 GMT -5
Putting other's before yourself is God and the Character of Christ lived out. Socialism can't do that because it must destroy anyone that doesn't agree with the one in the mirror...... People vote for socialist policies because they put others at least on your own level.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 13, 2021 1:02:09 GMT -5
Putting other's before yourself is God and the Character of Christ lived out. Socialism can't do that because it must destroy anyone that doesn't agree with the one in the mirror...... WOW!
Chuck, you sure do have that ass backwards!
Better take a few courses in Political Science to learn the difference between political systems.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 13, 2021 1:08:28 GMT -5
Actually, -both you and Lee are way out of your knowledge here.
You both should take a few courses in Political Science to learn the difference between the worlds political systems.
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Post by Dan on Feb 13, 2021 3:11:52 GMT -5
Socialism can't do that because it must destroy anyone that doesn't agree with the one in the mirror...... Chuck, you sure do have that ass backwards!
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 10:35:34 GMT -5
Chuck, you sure do have that ass backwards!
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
Vietnam tried Socialism and it didn't work so, they had to make many changes! to make it works.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 13, 2021 10:38:18 GMT -5
Rubbish. "The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." Psalm 58:10 "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord" Proverbs 1:26-29 "Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies." Psalm 139:21-22 And then we go to the New testament From mass murder and genocide to planetary destruction and eternal torture. Sad
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 12:21:47 GMT -5
And then we go to the New testament From mass murder and genocide to planetary destruction and eternal torture. Sad It was Adam and Eve choice in the Garden of Eden partakers of the forbidden fruit that is to be in the Lake of fire forever with Satan. After Adam and Eve realized the biggest mistake they had made, they REPENTED but it was too to changed the outcome= 1st death is naturally speaking... They and their humans children HAD to Wait for Christ/God who will come down from heaven to live in a human body to die for their sins then, their SOULS and children souls can be SET FREE from Hades/inner earth prison, where Satan keeps them.
In Genesis chapter 1: 26 The Godhead created Adam, Eve and their humans children in the Image of God and in their Likeness! Immortal beings/Gods... But Satan/Serpent had deceived them into sin/disobeying God or they picked to be with Satan/forbidden fruit instead the TREE of Life/Christ God for eternity.
Eternal torture and eternal death was the humans CHOICE! Not the Godhead. God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit created Adam, Eve, and their children to share Christ's eternal glory to rule and reign with Him in the Universe! their horrible choice to be with Satan brought eternal Deaths or eternal Separation from the God. Christ came down from heaven/Venus to RESTORE the mortal human beings back to Immortality beings like they had in mind before the foundation of the world.
Jesus said, "Ye MUST be Born Again! to ENTER the kingdom of God." The mortal sinful/disobedience humans souls can't enter in the kingdom of God as they are because they would turn heaven into HELL again like Satan had done. Christ/God Jesus death on Calvary's Restore us with His nature and Spirit for the humans to live forever in the image of God.
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Post by fixit on Feb 13, 2021 15:22:44 GMT -5
Chuck, you sure do have that ass backwards!
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
Communism doesn't work because individuals prefer to create wealth for themselves and their families than for the community as a whole. Every caring modern society redistributes wealth to varying extents, and this is often referred to as socialism. The Biden/Harris administration are not Communist but they do advocate that society should help its less fortunate members. That does work.
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Post by fixit on Feb 13, 2021 15:28:33 GMT -5
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
Vietnam tried Socialism and it didn't work so, they had to make many changes! to make it works. Vietnam is a one-party socialist republic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 15:29:53 GMT -5
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
Communism doesn't work because individuals prefer to create wealth for themselves and their families than for the community as a whole. Every caring modern society redistributes wealth to varying extents, and this is often referred to as socialism. The Biden/Harris administration are not Communist but they do advocate that society should help its less fortunate members. That does work. they are socialists. communism is just socialism in a hurry -lenin?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 13, 2021 15:32:42 GMT -5
Chuck, you sure do have that ass backwards!
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
Dan, Just how did I make "Chuck's point?" Chuck posted; "Socialism can't do that because it must destroy anyone that doesn't agree with the one in the mirror...... "
That would mean that I would destroy "anyone that doesn't agree with the me!" That is preposterous ! It is the very opposite of my intentions! It would not mean that I would even want to destroy everyone who disagreed with me but rather that I would be as concerned about everyone else as I was about myself!That is why I said Chuck had it "ass backwards!"
And please, don't even try to tell me what YOU think "socialism" means until you study the subject in hell of a lot more detail than you have yet!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 15:38:42 GMT -5
Vietnam tried Socialism and it didn't work so, they had to make many changes! to make it works. Vietnam is a one-party socialist republic. actually the old cia world factbook says they are still a communist state as of 2021: www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/vietnam/#governmentbut starting in the 1980's they started hankering for capitalism and may in someway's be as capitalist as america now...
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 15:56:53 GMT -5
Vietnam is a one-party socialist republic. actually the old cia world factbook says they are still a communist state as of 2021: www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/vietnam/#governmentbut starting in the 1980's they started hankering for capitalism and may in someway's be as capitalist as america now... Yep! Since 1980s Vietnam Communists have become Capitalists and the country has thrived and prospered from it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 13, 2021 16:48:59 GMT -5
Communism doesn't work because individuals prefer to create wealth for themselves and their families than for the community as a whole. Every caring modern society redistributes wealth to varying extents, and this is often referred to as socialism. The Biden/Harris administration are not Communist but they do advocate that society should help its less fortunate members. That does work. they are socialists. communism is just socialism in a hurry -lenin? BS, Nathan -shows how little you know about either one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 16:56:59 GMT -5
they are socialists. communism is just socialism in a hurry -lenin? BS, Nathan -shows how little you know about either one.i'm not nathan....there is little you know about either that i don't already know. and that quote is from lenin one of the key operators/implementers(although not marx)of the socialist/communist hive mind...
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 13, 2021 17:06:14 GMT -5
BS, Nathan -shows how little you know about either one. i'm not nathan....there is little you know about either that i don't already know. and that quote is from lenin one of the key operators/implementers(although not marx)of the socialist/communist hive mind... Well, you wally and nathan are like two peas in a pod.
...and if you actually think one quote from Lenin tells you anything near to the truth about either socialism or communism then you know even less than I thought.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 17:13:42 GMT -5
i'm not nathan....there is little you know about either that i don't already know. and that quote is from lenin one of the key operators/implementers(although not marx)of the socialist/communist hive mind... Well, you wally and nathan are like two peas in a pod.
...and if you actually think one quote from Lenin tells you anything near to the truth about either socialism or communism then you know even less than I thought.
i'm gonna have to go by his own words rather than any 2021ish misguided pro socialism/communism propaganda you may come up with...just sayin'
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 17:20:16 GMT -5
they are socialists. communism is just socialism in a hurry -lenin? BS, Nathan -shows how little you know about either one. I KNOW enough about them to last me a lifetime so, I do NOT want to be a communist= socialist. You ex- 2x2s atheists fit with the Communists gov't perfectly. Serve self and answer to no god after death, after death the Communists believe in Caput/it's gone forever... That's false... After Death is just the beginning for the souls.
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