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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 13, 2021 17:29:12 GMT -5
Well, you wally and nathan are like two peas in a pod.
...and if you actually think one quote from Lenin tells you anything near to the truth about either socialism or communism then you know even less than I thought.
i'm gonna have to go by his own words rather than any 2021ish misguided pro socialism/communism propaganda you may come up with...just sayin' One quote doth not a complete explanation of either socialism or communism make!
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 17:34:40 GMT -5
i'm gonna have to go by his own words rather than any 2021ish misguided pro socialism/communism propaganda you may come up with...just sayin' One quote doth not a complete explanation of either socialism or communism make! I lived in Vietnam before the Communists took over, my wife, my family had lived under the Communists regime for 13 years. They told me many horrible stories they had to endure after the Communists took over.
Communism/Political Ideology
Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+Communist+doctrine&form=ANNTH1&refig=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911a&sp=-1&pq=what+is+communist+doctrine&sc=1-26&qs=n&sk=&cvid=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911aSocialismSocialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and democratic control or workers' self-management of enterprises. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity. While no single definition encapsulates the many types of socialism, social ownership is the one common element. Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+socialism&form=ANNTH1&refig=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46&sp=-1&ghc=2&pq=what+is+so&sc=8-10&qs=n&sk=&cvid=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 17:40:00 GMT -5
i'm gonna have to go by his own words rather than any 2021ish misguided pro socialism/communism propaganda you may come up with...just sayin' One quote doth not a complete explanation of either socialism or communism make!a summary doesn't always have detailed explanations/definitions especially when everyone around you already knows the definitions. here is the full quote from lenin on one aspect of the relationship between the two different evil ideologies and shows what the commies of the time were thinking. "Communism is Socialism in a hurry." Socialism has nowhere to progress but to Communism.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 13, 2021 17:57:29 GMT -5
One quote doth not a complete explanation of either socialism or communism make! a summary doesn't always have detailed explanations/definitions especially when everyone around you already knows the definitions. here is the full quote from lenin on one aspect of the relationship between the two different evil ideologies and shows what the commies of the time were thinking. "Communism is Socialism in a hurry." Socialism has nowhere to progress but to Communism.
I said & still say, that this statement is not valid; "Communism is Socialism in a hurry."
It does make it true no matter WHO says it! You or Lenin or anyone else!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:02:49 GMT -5
a summary doesn't always have detailed explanations/definitions especially when everyone around you already knows the definitions. here is the full quote from lenin on one aspect of the relationship between the two different evil ideologies and shows what the commies of the time were thinking. "Communism is Socialism in a hurry." Socialism has nowhere to progress but to Communism.
I said & still say, that this statement is not valid; "Communism is Socialism in a hurry."
It does make it true no matter WHO says it! You or Lenin or anyone else!that might be YOUR opinion but that would not necessarily be the facts of that matter...
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Post by fixit on Feb 13, 2021 18:07:10 GMT -5
after death the Communists believe in Caput/it's gone forever... That's false... You've just proved that Biden is not a Communist.
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Post by fixit on Feb 13, 2021 18:08:41 GMT -5
One quote doth not a complete explanation of either socialism or communism make! I lived in Vietnam before the Communists took over, my wife, my family had lived under the Communists regime for 13 years. They told me many horrible stories they had to endure after the Communists took over.
Communism/Political Ideology
Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+Communist+doctrine&form=ANNTH1&refig=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911a&sp=-1&pq=what+is+communist+doctrine&sc=1-26&qs=n&sk=&cvid=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911aSocialismSocialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and democratic control or workers' self-management of enterprises. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity. While no single definition encapsulates the many types of socialism, social ownership is the one common element. Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+socialism&form=ANNTH1&refig=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46&sp=-1&ghc=2&pq=what+is+so&sc=8-10&qs=n&sk=&cvid=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46Using that definition, Biden is neither Communist or Socialist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:12:26 GMT -5
Dmg is right that quote is not valid. Communism was banned by our Government in 1950. The law prevents having a Communist Party in Australia. We have become a more Socialist country, which has helped us get through the tough times.
Socialism is not connected to Communism, the same as Humanism is not connected to Atheism. Those links only occur in Wally's confused mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:25:09 GMT -5
I lived in Vietnam before the Communists took over, my wife, my family had lived under the Communists regime for 13 years. They told me many horrible stories they had to endure after the Communists took over.
Communism/Political Ideology
Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+Communist+doctrine&form=ANNTH1&refig=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911a&sp=-1&pq=what+is+communist+doctrine&sc=1-26&qs=n&sk=&cvid=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911aSocialismSocialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and democratic control or workers' self-management of enterprises. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity. While no single definition encapsulates the many types of socialism, social ownership is the one common element. Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+socialism&form=ANNTH1&refig=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46&sp=-1&ghc=2&pq=what+is+so&sc=8-10&qs=n&sk=&cvid=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46 Using that definition, Biden is neither Communist or Socialist. give him a chance he's just got started...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:25:43 GMT -5
after death the Communists believe in Caput/it's gone forever... That's false... You've just proved that Biden is not a Communist. give him a chance he's barely got started...
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 18:37:52 GMT -5
I lived in Vietnam before the Communists took over, my wife, my family had lived under the Communists regime for 13 years. They told me many horrible stories they had to endure after the Communists took over.
Communism/Political Ideology
Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+Communist+doctrine&form=ANNTH1&refig=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911a&sp=-1&pq=what+is+communist+doctrine&sc=1-26&qs=n&sk=&cvid=87208e724dd44d20805684ba2432911aSocialismSocialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and democratic control or workers' self-management of enterprises. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity. While no single definition encapsulates the many types of socialism, social ownership is the one common element. Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change. www.bing.com/search?q=What+is+socialism&form=ANNTH1&refig=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46&sp=-1&ghc=2&pq=what+is+so&sc=8-10&qs=n&sk=&cvid=1c8f5cd2b3c84d6fb4139579e1630c46 Using that definition, Biden is neither Communist or Socialist. Time will TELL us what Biden and his masters are.... I say the Illuminati descendants of Cain/Satan seed Rulers of ALL types of gov't which run the world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:42:47 GMT -5
Dmg is right that quote is not valid. Communism was banned by our Government in 1950. The law prevents having a Communist Party in Australia. We have become a more Socialist country, which has helped us get through the tough times. Socialism is not connected to Communism, the same as Humanism is not connected to Atheism. Those links only occur in Wally's confused mind. this shows a deliberate attempt to deceive you shouldn't do that God doesn't like it...socialism and communism are both mentioned and tied together by reading part 2 and part 3 of the communist manifesto by marx and engels both you and dmmichgood are wrong... this also show another deliberate attempt to deceive you also shouldn't do that God doesn't like it... atheistic humanism is "good without God" it first premise is human agency or humans determine what is right or wrong not God or god(s) or any theistic worldviews... lets not crap all over another thread with your atheistic humanism mumbo jumbo shall we?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 19:00:24 GMT -5
Wally you stay self opinionated, it suits you. After all Nathan has appointed you and himself as on-line Workers. You must continue to fly the flag.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 19:05:41 GMT -5
Wally you stay self opinionated, it suits you. After all Nathan has appointed you and himself as on-line Workers. You must continue to fly the flag. ah dodging the facts i presented...typical for you...
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Post by fixit on Feb 13, 2021 21:17:11 GMT -5
Dmg is right that quote is not valid. Communism was banned by our Government in 1950. The law prevents having a Communist Party in Australia. We have become a more Socialist country, which has helped us get through the tough times. Socialism is not connected to Communism, the same as Humanism is not connected to Atheism. Those links only occur in Wally's confused mind. Unfortunately socialism is often defined like this: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. Successful countries don't have business communally owned, but rather are labelled "socialist" due to the redistribution of the wealth that is created by businesses.
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Post by speak on Feb 13, 2021 21:18:14 GMT -5
And then we go to the New testament From mass murder and genocide to planetary destruction and eternal torture. Sad God doesn't torture them they torture themselves.
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 21:45:46 GMT -5
Wally you stay self opinionated, it suits you. After all Nathan has appointed you and himself as on-line Workers. You must continue to fly the flag. God appointed more like it, He appointed us. It's NOT by accident that Wally and I are on TMB. The Internet worker title was given to me by an ex-worker who used to post on here.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2021 23:20:25 GMT -5
Chuck, you sure do have that ass backwards!
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
I think perhaps you don't read well.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2021 23:22:33 GMT -5
I think you made his point
Socialism is about making everyone equal.. One for all and all for one.. It never works, so I don't like it.
Vietnam tried Socialism and it didn't work so, they had to make many changes! to make it works. It's still "communism", you silly cluck.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2021 23:26:11 GMT -5
Yep! Since 1980s Vietnam Communists have become Capitalists and the country has thrived and prospered from it. Still a dictatorship. But then, Trumpists like dectatorships.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2021 23:30:33 GMT -5
Using that definition, Biden is neither Communist or Socialist. Time will TELL us what Biden and his masters are.... I say the Illuminati descendants of Cain/Satan seed Rulers of ALL types of gov't which run the world.
You're a kook.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2021 23:32:42 GMT -5
Wally you stay self opinionated, it suits you. After all Nathan has appointed you and himself as on-line Workers. You must continue to fly the flag. God appointed more like it, He appointed us. It's NOT by accident that Wally and I are on TMB. The Internet worker title was given to me by an ex-worker who used to post on here. Kooks need company.
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2021 1:04:59 GMT -5
One quote doth not a complete explanation of either socialism or communism make! a summary doesn't always have detailed explanations/definitions especially when everyone around you already knows the definitions. here is the full quote from lenin on one aspect of the relationship between the two different evil ideologies and shows what the commies of the time were thinking. "Communism is Socialism in a hurry." Socialism has nowhere to progress but to Communism. I don't know whether you're trying to be difficult and provoke a reaction or if you genuinely are confused about socialism. Most democracies would consider themselves socialist to varying extents due to the fact that taxation is used to support those who are less fortunate. The US is socialist even under Republican administrations. Trump was applying socialism when he signed off stimulus checks: www.cnbc.com/2020/12/27/trump-signs-covid-relief-bill-600-stimulus-checks-go-out-this-week-.htmlI doubt that there would be any country today that would be purely Communist/Socialist or purely Capitalist. It's a spectrum and every country is somewhere in between the two extremes. Biden may be more socialist than Trump but that doesn't make Biden a Communist.
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Post by nathan on Feb 14, 2021 1:07:30 GMT -5
Time will TELL us what Biden and his masters are.... I say the Illuminati descendants of Cain/Satan seed Rulers of ALL types of gov't which run the world.
You're a kook. And You are socialist/commy.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 14, 2021 1:22:37 GMT -5
And You are socialist/commy. But I'm not a kook.
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Post by nathan on Feb 14, 2021 1:25:48 GMT -5
And You are socialist/commy. But I'm not a kook. I am NOT a Kook, but an American. You are a socialist/commy ex-2x2, right?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 14, 2021 1:27:42 GMT -5
I am NOT a Kook, but an American. You are a socialist/commy ex-2x2, right? Yup, you are definitely an American kook. But I am certainly not a commy -- absolutely NOT.
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Post by nathan on Feb 14, 2021 1:31:28 GMT -5
I am NOT a Kook, but an American. You are a socialist/commy ex-2x2, right? Yup, you are definitely an American kook. But I am certainly not a commy -- absolutely NOT. You are an American who's becoming a Socialist/Commy... You don't want to admit it but you are.
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