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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 26, 2020 23:30:45 GMT -5
You really do not have any love for your fellow man, do you. You would obviously rather they be left destitute, devoid of education, unable to speak English, continuing with forced marriage of teenage girls, Uncles marrying nieces etc. Nice Wally, real nice...Not. sure i do but the ends do not justify the means and your means is atheistic humanism(hardly biblical in the least)and your ignoring the christians around the world that do help with the destitute, education, english(why that matters is beyond me though), forced marriages, incest and the like.... Biblical means would be to kill most of them, except the virgins. You would like that part. And then say your god told you to do so. That's what makes christians a bunch of creeps.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 23:31:39 GMT -5
Luk_22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. according to Christ there is nothing "unchristian" about owning a means of self-defense a sword then was just the equivalent of the modern rifle or pistol... for about 1900 years now Christians have been defending themselves with whatever means they could hardly a different view of christianity... The problem is Wally, it is increasingly obvious that you are not a christian. You do not even come within spitting distance of one. coming from an atheist i gotta laugh, just because you failed at it doesn't mean others have....
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 26, 2020 23:34:55 GMT -5
Philippians 2:4 "do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others."
Galatians 6:2
"Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
Romans 12:10
"Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor;"
Galatians 6:10
"So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith."
1 Timothy 5: "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
Proverbs 21:13 "He who shuts his ear to the cry of the poor Will also cry himself and not be answered."
Galatians 2:10 "They only asked us to remember the poor—the very thing I also was eager to do."
Source: bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Caring-For-Othersyou said following God shows no concern for others now you post scripture that actually shows concern for others...your still being nonsensical... Because you, -WALLY, -you are the one who professes to follow god and scripture is supposed to be from god, -yet you had also just indicated in you previous post that you apparently either don't believe it nor follow it! Why is that so difficult to understand?
You said: "there is nothing selfish or thinking of only oneself when following God..."
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 26, 2020 23:36:57 GMT -5
Not such a smart idea, no need for it. While there is no excuse to carry a gun, people say they carry it for different reasons: protection self-defence fear peer pressure to gain respect, power or control Not all people who carry guns intend to use them. But if you're carrying a gun and get into an argument, the situation is more likely to get out of hand and you are more likely to use it. So whether you intended to use it or not, you could end up in a lot of trouble and the consequences may be fatal. not if you've trained to properly use it. maybe your definition of an argument is using force to settle the matter but that wouldn't necessarily be true for others.... Is that the "Not very well regulated militia argument"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 23:37:59 GMT -5
sure i do but the ends do not justify the means and your means is atheistic humanism(hardly biblical in the least)and your ignoring the christians around the world that do help with the destitute, education, english(why that matters is beyond me though), forced marriages, incest and the like.... You're not doing that much for all those people yourself. while its true i have never done missionary work in another country i do donate to a few(3) organizations that do help fellow americans and 1 organization that helps the poor in other countries. what have you done lately Bob to help the poor in other countries or fellow americans?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 26, 2020 23:39:17 GMT -5
You're not doing that much for all those people yourself. while its true i have never done missionary work in another country i do donate to a few(3) organizations that do help fellow americans and 1 organization that helps the poor in other countries. what have you done lately Bob to help the poor in other countries or fellow americans? Nothing I would brag about.
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Post by speak on Dec 26, 2020 23:40:35 GMT -5
And of course these comments will attract others to follow Christ, not. and promoting atheistic humanism will? Are you promoting that as well?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 23:45:13 GMT -5
you said following God shows no concern for others now you post scripture that actually shows concern for others...your still being nonsensical... you said following God shows no concern for others now you post scripture that actually shows concern for others...your still being nonsensical... Because you, -WALLY, -you are the one who professes to follow god and scripture is supposed to be from god, -yet you had also just indicated in you previous post that you apparently either don't believe it nor follow it! Why is that so difficult to understand?
You said: "there is nothing selfish or thinking of only oneself when following God..."this may be a failure to understand english on your part "there is nothing selfish or thinking only of oneself when following God" if one is following God(which is what i said) how is that indicating that i don't believe it or follow it? how is it selfish or even thinking only of oneself?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 23:47:21 GMT -5
and promoting atheistic humanism will? Are you promoting that as well? hmmm seems you haven't been following the conversation all that well where on this thread have you seen me promote atheistic humanism? your fellow down unders and the atheists on this board seem to be though...try and keep up...
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Post by matisse on Dec 26, 2020 23:53:23 GMT -5
Because you, -WALLY, -you are the one who professes to follow god and scripture is supposed to be from god, -yet you had also just indicated in you previous post that you apparently either don't believe it nor follow it! Why is that so difficult to understand?
You said: "there is nothing selfish or thinking of only oneself when following God..." this may be a failure to understand english on your part "there is nothing selfish or thinking only of oneself when following God" if one is following God(which is what i said) how is that indicating that i don't believe it or follow it? how is it selfish or even thinking only of oneself? If your motivation is to avoid some imagined future punishment, it is selfish.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 26, 2020 23:59:22 GMT -5
Because you, -WALLY, -you are the one who professes to follow god and scripture is supposed to be from god, -yet you had also just indicated in you previous post that you apparently either don't believe it nor follow it! Why is that so difficult to understand?
You said: "there is nothing selfish or thinking of only oneself when following God..." this may be a failure to understand english on your part "there is nothing selfish or thinking only of oneself when following God" if one is following God(which is what i said) how is that indicating that i don't believe it or follow it? how is it selfish or even thinking only of oneself? You said it Wally, -maybe you could rework it if you meant something differently so I could understand what you really meant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:00:28 GMT -5
this may be a failure to understand english on your part "there is nothing selfish or thinking only of oneself when following God" if one is following God(which is what i said) how is that indicating that i don't believe it or follow it? how is it selfish or even thinking only of oneself? If your motivation is to avoid some imagined future punishment, it is selfish. that seems to be a lack of understanding of self-preservation which appears to not be very strong in you and other atheist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:00:49 GMT -5
i doubt that very much perennialist... there is nothing selfish or thinking of only oneself when following God... eventually on this earth your side will win out for the most part but then you will have to face that pesky Return of Christ thing it won't go as you think it will though... And of course these comments will attract others to follow Christ, not. I'm distressed to find myself agreeing with Speak more often of late... must resist! 😁
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:11:31 GMT -5
And of course these comments will attract others to follow Christ, not. I'm distressed to find myself agreeing with Speak more often of late... must resist! 😁 sometimes getting someone to follow Christ involves telling them that they are wrong, in this case it would be atheistic humanism...i do understand though that worldly people and those that support them might not like it...
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Post by matisse on Dec 27, 2020 0:15:49 GMT -5
If your motivation is to avoid some imagined future punishment, it is selfish. that seems to be a lack of understanding of self-preservation which appears to not be very strong in you and other atheist. Notice your use of the word 'self.' There you have it. I take steps to preserve myself while it makes sense. At the same time, I accept the inevitibility of my death; IMO, no religious belief will preserve the believer even a tick beyond theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:17:19 GMT -5
I'm distressed to find myself agreeing with Speak more often of late... must resist! 😁 sometimes getting someone to follow Christ involves telling them that they are wrong, in this case it would be atheistic humanism...i do understand though that worldly people and those that support them might not like it... I'm curious - how would a person tell the difference between an atheistic humanist and Christian? I imagine church attendance would be the most obvious, but how about in action? What moral good would a Christian do to/for others that an atheistic humanist would not?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:22:11 GMT -5
that seems to be a lack of understanding of self-preservation which appears to not be very strong in you and other atheist. Notice your use of the word 'self.' There you have it. I take steps to preserve myself while it makes sense. At the same time, I accept the inevitibility of my death; IMO, no religious belief will preserve the believer even a tick beyond theirs. the word self in self-preservation is not the same as selfish. well you are entitled to your opinion but that wouldn't necessarily be fact...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:29:03 GMT -5
sometimes getting someone to follow Christ involves telling them that they are wrong, in this case it would be atheistic humanism...i do understand though that worldly people and those that support them might not like it... I'm curious - how would a person tell the difference between an atheistic humanist and Christian? I imagine church attendance would be the most obvious, but how about in action? What moral good would a Christian do to/for others that an atheistic humanist would not? without Christ its all in vain...the aim of atheistic humanism isn't really about being morally good its about being morally good without God/Christ...i believe the bible says evil people can be morally good to those they love but that wont save them..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:38:04 GMT -5
I'm curious - how would a person tell the difference between an atheistic humanist and Christian? I imagine church attendance would be the most obvious, but how about in action? What moral good would a Christian do to/for others that an atheistic humanist would not? without Christ its all in vain...the aim of atheistic humanism isn't really about being morally good its about being morally good without God/Christ...i believe the bible says evil people can be morally good to those they love but that wont save them.. Interesting. I have several 'knee-jerk' thoughts to that, but it'd be better for me to think on it a bit. Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 27, 2020 0:38:17 GMT -5
I'm curious - how would a person tell the difference between an atheistic humanist and Christian? I imagine church attendance would be the most obvious, but how about in action? What moral good would a Christian do to/for others that an atheistic humanist would not? without Christ its all in vain...the aim of atheistic humanism isn't really about being morally good its about being morally good without God/Christ...i believe the bible says evil people can be morally good to those they love but that wont save them.. Says someone whose life revolves around mythology.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 27, 2020 0:45:46 GMT -5
i believe the bible says evil people can be morally good Sounds like a defense for someone like Donald Trump. Nice try, though.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 27, 2020 0:52:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 0:55:54 GMT -5
i believe the bible says evil people can be morally good Sounds like a defense for someone like Donald Trump. Nice try, though. you butchered my post....which means its lost parts of it which would add context...nice try though
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 27, 2020 1:01:27 GMT -5
You really do not have any love for your fellow man, do you. You would obviously rather they be left destitute, devoid of education, unable to speak English, continuing with forced marriage of teenage girls, Uncles marrying nieces etc. Nice Wally, real nice...Not. sure i do but the ends do not justify the means and your means is atheistic humanism(hardly biblical in the least)and your ignoring the christians around the world that do help with the destitute, education, english(why that matters is beyond me though), forced marriages, incest and the like.... I am not, you have no idea what else I do, and I am not going to say here. My means is not atheistic humanism, that is a blatant lie, and to say I am ignoring Christians around the world in other charities, is also a lie, and I think you should retract that.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 27, 2020 1:02:46 GMT -5
The problem is Wally, it is increasingly obvious that you are not a christian. You do not even come within spitting distance of one. coming from an atheist i gotta laugh, just because you failed at it doesn't mean others have.... You have no idea as to Curly’s credentials for identifying a Christian
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 27, 2020 1:05:03 GMT -5
I'm curious - how would a person tell the difference between an atheistic humanist and Christian? I imagine church attendance would be the most obvious, but how about in action? What moral good would a Christian do to/for others that an atheistic humanist would not? without Christ its all in vain...the aim of atheistic humanism isn't really about being morally good its about being morally good without God/Christ...i believe the bible says evil people can be morally good to those they love but that wont save them.. To some yes, but not to all. The world moves on from literal meanings through the passage of time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 1:07:47 GMT -5
sure i do but the ends do not justify the means and your means is atheistic humanism(hardly biblical in the least)and your ignoring the christians around the world that do help with the destitute, education, english(why that matters is beyond me though), forced marriages, incest and the like.... I am not, you have no idea what else I do, and I am not going to say here. My means is not atheistic humanism, that is a blatant lie, and to say I am ignoring Christians around the world in other charities, is also a lie, and I think you should retract that. you defended it you own it. and you have implied that atheistic humanism is the one doing the job around the world NOT christianity ...i wonder whos really lying here...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 1:10:15 GMT -5
without Christ its all in vain...the aim of atheistic humanism isn't really about being morally good its about being morally good without God/Christ...i believe the bible says evil people can be morally good to those they love but that wont save them.. To some yes, but not to all. The world moves on from literal meanings through the passage of time. and hence we have the term "falling away"...
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