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Post by chuck on Jan 1, 2021 19:43:54 GMT -5
They are things that exist. You can manipulate them, touch them, ect. God cannot be manipulated. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVIf anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? - 1 John 3:17 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John3:17&version=NIVNothing existent about God, This Divine Nature is just true, it was before, it is now, it will be for ever. It cannot be manipulated like existent things. It is not imagined. Religion imagines, that why the whole does God exist debate gains traction. Religion puts mental images in our heads. Like heaven in venus for example 😉. Of course god or any other entity can be manipulated to what ever you imagine it to be. You cannot manipulate the nature of Grace, love, compassion, mercy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 19:44:32 GMT -5
The pandemic exposes the need for humanism
"The pandemic not only points to the need for humanism, it exposes it"
KevinMD is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories. already covered by Christianity...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 1, 2021 19:47:26 GMT -5
The pandemic exposes the need for humanism
"The pandemic not only points to the need for humanism, it exposes it"
KevinMD is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories. already covered by Christianity... Off with their heads.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 19:51:59 GMT -5
already covered by Christianity... Off with their heads. i think you are quoting alice in wonderland not the bible...
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Post by chuck on Jan 1, 2021 19:52:28 GMT -5
Wally your sound doctrine came long after Christ. You have continuously displayed you cannot go back beyond the English translation. So who's doctrine do you really follow. We know quite a bit come from Mr Irvine. we have had 2 workers i know of who learned hebrew and BOTH have said that the KJV is the closest and most accurate thing to the hebrew so that would not be the truth also called a lie which God doesn't like. your insistence that one must be jewish to understand the bible is not scriptural and again shows a serious lack of understanding of the role of the Holy Spirit in helping one to understand it which means your implying the Holy Spirit can't do something which is a very bad thing to do for your soul. i would stop doing that for your own souls sake it won't end well if you continue to do so. no cut and paste required... No my insistence is not you have to be Jewish. My insistence is you need to look at it from a Hebraic perspective with a knowledge of history, you can learn Hebrew all you want, wont change a thing if you still read it with a western mind and no understanding of History. Out of curiosity did they learn ancient Hebrew or modern Hebrew?. What does the Holy Spirit tell you about eternal life?.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 1, 2021 19:55:15 GMT -5
i think you are quoting alice in wonderland not the bible... You're very well read. Wasn't the Mad Hatter a Christian?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 19:59:10 GMT -5
we have had 2 workers i know of who learned hebrew and BOTH have said that the KJV is the closest and most accurate thing to the hebrew so that would not be the truth also called a lie which God doesn't like. your insistence that one must be jewish to understand the bible is not scriptural and again shows a serious lack of understanding of the role of the Holy Spirit in helping one to understand it which means your implying the Holy Spirit can't do something which is a very bad thing to do for your soul. i would stop doing that for your own souls sake it won't end well if you continue to do so. no cut and paste required... No my insistence is not you have to be Jewish. My insistence is you need to look at it from a Hebraic perspective with a knowledge of history, you can learn Hebrew all you want, wont change a thing if you still read it with a western mind and no understanding of History. Out of curiosity did they learn ancient Hebrew or modern Hebrew?. What does the Holy Spirit tell you about eternal life?. its to my understanding the two are closely enough related that one can read it with some adjustments. "modern" hebrew is simply a dead language revived... many things about what is to come and to get there you just have to believe in Christ, Obey God, and bare fruit...there are verses for all three look it up....
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 1, 2021 20:00:20 GMT -5
No my insistence is not you have to be Jewish. My insistence is you need to look at it from a Hebraic perspective with a knowledge of history, you can learn Hebrew all you want, wont change a thing if you still read it with a western mind and no understanding of History. Out of curiosity did they learn ancient Hebrew or modern Hebrew?. What does the Holy Spirit tell you about eternal life?. its to my understanding the two are closely enough related that one can read it with some adjustments. "modern" hebrew is simply a dead language revived... many things about what is to come and to get there you just have to believe in Christ, Obey God, and bare fruit...there are verses for all three look it up.... What fruit are you baring @wally ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:08:52 GMT -5
I am very satisfied to be called a Perennialist. I take it as a compliment, it means that you believe in Science. The good thing about Science is, it keeps updating on the findings of great Scientists of the past. People with great intellect and understanding, like, Albert Einstein,Marie Curie,Isaac Newton,Charles Darwin,Nikola Tesla,Ada Lovelace,Pythagoras. And of course there are plenty more in our day and age.
Much more exiting than Religion that revolves around an out of date book. It doesn't update and only gets into more confusion. What was the last count on Christian Denominations???.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 1, 2021 20:12:10 GMT -5
The pandemic exposes the need for humanism
"The pandemic not only points to the need for humanism, it exposes it"
KevinMD is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories. already covered by Christianity... Countries that are predominately budhist, Islamic or Jewish seem to be managing ok. Virtually every country is managing better than the USA.
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Jan 1, 2021 20:16:15 GMT -5
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Post by chuck on Jan 1, 2021 20:16:15 GMT -5
No my insistence is not you have to be Jewish. My insistence is you need to look at it from a Hebraic perspective with a knowledge of history, you can learn Hebrew all you want, wont change a thing if you still read it with a western mind and no understanding of History. Out of curiosity did they learn ancient Hebrew or modern Hebrew?. What does the Holy Spirit tell you about eternal life?. its to my understanding the two are closely enough related that one can read it with some adjustments. "modern" hebrew is simply a dead language revived... many things about what is to come and to get there you just have to believe in Christ, Obey God, and bare fruit...there are verses for all three look it up.... Wally eternal life is not something one day. It is always described as a present tense possession. See you can read it in Hebrew amd still misunderstand it with a western mind. You may want to consult your Holy Spirit again. Oh and the fruits of the spirit have nothing to do with 2x2ism, they sound a lot more like humanism to me. I dont see any link to, missions, meetings, worksers, professing, conventions, babbling prayer or any other 2x2ism related performance. John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”“What should we do then?” the crowd asked.John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”“Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely —be content with your pay.” - Luke 3:7-14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke3:7-14&version=NIVBut the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians5:22-23&version=NIV
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:19:14 GMT -5
its to my understanding the two are closely enough related that one can read it with some adjustments. "modern" hebrew is simply a dead language revived... many things about what is to come and to get there you just have to believe in Christ, Obey God, and bare fruit...there are verses for all three look it up.... What fruit are you baring @wally ? i am longsuffering with you folks aren't i?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:22:42 GMT -5
I am very satisfied to be called a Perennialist. I take it as a compliment, it means that you believe in Science. The good thing about Science is, it keeps updating on the findings of great Scientists of the past. People with great intellect and understanding, like, Albert Einstein,Marie Curie,Isaac Newton,Charles Darwin,Nikola Tesla,Ada Lovelace,Pythagoras. And of course there are plenty more in our day and age. Much more exiting than Religion that revolves around an out of date book. It doesn't update and only gets into more confusion. What was the last count on Christian Denominations???. 50,000 the people you mentioned probably would not agree with you now since they've found out the whole truth of the matter...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 1, 2021 20:24:18 GMT -5
What fruit are you baring @wally ? i am longsuffering with you folks aren't i? Oh, that self righteous superiority is showing through isn't @wally !
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Post by xna on Jan 1, 2021 20:24:45 GMT -5
The pandemic exposes the need for humanism
"The pandemic not only points to the need for humanism, it exposes it"
KevinMD is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories. already covered by Christianity... Humanism is about finding ways to increase human flourishing. How does "the idea of hell" fit with human flourishing, or Jesus words like Luke 19: 27 increase human flourishing? "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:25:10 GMT -5
its to my understanding the two are closely enough related that one can read it with some adjustments. "modern" hebrew is simply a dead language revived... many things about what is to come and to get there you just have to believe in Christ, Obey God, and bare fruit...there are verses for all three look it up.... Wally eternal life is not something one day. It is always described as a present tense possession. See you can read it in Hebrew amd still misunderstand it with a western mind. You may want to consult your Holy Spirit again. Oh and the fruits of the spirit have nothing to do with 2x2ism, they sound a lot more like humanism to me. I dont see any link to, missions, meetings, worksers, professing, conventions, babbling prayer or any other 2x2ism related performance. John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”“What should we do then?” the crowd asked.John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”“Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely —be content with your pay.” - Luke 3:7-14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke3:7-14&version=NIVBut the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians5:22-23&version=NIVthe fruits of the spirit were around LONG before atheistic humanism. you should stop quoting scripture you don't know what you are doing...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:27:15 GMT -5
i am longsuffering with you folks aren't i? Oh, that self righteous superiority is showing through isn't @wally ! you asked me what fruits i am bearing so i listed one for you..do you normally ask questions and then not want an answer?
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 1, 2021 20:34:22 GMT -5
Oh, that self righteous superiority is showing through isn't @wally ! you asked me what fruits i am bearing so i listed one for you..do you normally ask questions and then not want an answer? You answered the question @wally and showed your selfrighteous superiority !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:35:02 GMT -5
already covered by Christianity... Humanism is about finding ways to increase human flourishing. How does "the idea of hell" fit with human flourishing, or Jesus words like Luke 19: 27 increase human flourishing? "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me"i am quite sure that atheistic humanism is all about humans "flourishing" in the HERE and NOW what Christianity offers is the HERE and NOW and FUTURE... there is more to scripture than the verse you are quoting and that particular verses is for the very end when Christ returns and everyone has to account for what they have done....AKA the FUTURE here is a little taste of HERE and NOW: Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:38:24 GMT -5
you asked me what fruits i am bearing so i listed one for you..do you normally ask questions and then not want an answer? You answered the question @wally and showed your selfrighteous superiority ! this may be an English problem on your part longsuffering does not have the same definition as self-righteous or superiority....you should really come to terms with your own issues before you post on TMB...
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Post by chuck on Jan 1, 2021 20:46:50 GMT -5
Wally eternal life is not something one day. It is always described as a present tense possession. See you can read it in Hebrew amd still misunderstand it with a western mind. You may want to consult your Holy Spirit again. Oh and the fruits of the spirit have nothing to do with 2x2ism, they sound a lot more like humanism to me. I dont see any link to, missions, meetings, worksers, professing, conventions, babbling prayer or any other 2x2ism related performance. John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”“What should we do then?” the crowd asked.John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”“Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely —be content with your pay.” - Luke 3:7-14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke3:7-14&version=NIVBut the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians5:22-23&version=NIVthe fruits of the spirit were around LONG before atheistic humanism. you should stop quoting scripture you don't know what you are doing... Back to front again wally, Treating others right has been true for ever!, 2x2ism fruits only started with Willy Boy.
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Post by xna on Jan 1, 2021 21:08:07 GMT -5
i am quite sure that atheistic humanism is all about humans "flourishing" in the HERE and NOW what Christianity offers is the HERE and NOW and FUTURE...
there is more to scripture than the verse you are quoting and that particular verses is for the very end when Christ returns and everyone has to account for what they have done....AKA the FUTURE
here is a little taste of HERE and NOW: Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. We can only be most certain about the "hear and now". Your life is not a dress rehearsal or test for moving onto the next life. We have no evidenced based reason to believe anything except, when we die it all ends for us. We by nature don't want to die, but keep on living. It's a survival instinct that serves us well. We long to see again our loved ones who have died before us. We long to see those who wronged us find justice in the end, and all in life is made fair. All this comes from a "hope in an afterlife", but this hope keeps you from doing what you can now, in the "hear and now". The religious proposition is; believe this - do this - and when you die, you get your reward. It's interesting that religious people understand that "life insurance" actually doesn't pay YOU after your death, but yet believe religious life insurance does pay YOU after your death.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 1, 2021 21:12:32 GMT -5
You answered the question @wally and showed your selfrighteous superiority ! this may be an English problem on your part longsuffering does not have the same definition as self-righteous or superiority....you should really come to terms with your own issues before you post on TMB... Well @wally thank you for proving my point ! You are showing your true colors! No where did I say "longsuffering" has the same definition as "self righteous superiority" ! If your comments on here are an example of being "longsuffering" it is you who needs to take your own advice. You think that you are in the place to judge others as your comment to me here proves, your self righteousness is shining through for all to see !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 21:15:18 GMT -5
i am quite sure that atheistic humanism is all about humans "flourishing" in the HERE and NOW what Christianity offers is the HERE and NOW and FUTURE...
there is more to scripture than the verse you are quoting and that particular verses is for the very end when Christ returns and everyone has to account for what they have done....AKA the FUTURE
here is a little taste of HERE and NOW: Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. We can only be most certain about the "hear and now". Your life is not a dress rehearsal or test for moving onto the next life. We have no evidenced based reason to believe anything except, when we die it all ends for us. We by nature don't want to die, but keep on living. It's a survival instinct that serves us well. We long to see again our loved ones who have died before us. We long to see those who wronged us find justice in the end, and all in life is made fair. All this comes from a "hope in an afterlife", but this hope keeps you from doing what you can now, in the "hear and now". The religious proposition is; believe this - do this - and when you die, you get your reward. It's interesting that religious people understand that "life insurance" actually doesn't pay YOU after your death, but yet believe religious life insurance does pay YOU after your death. no it doesn't if you actually follow Christ you will address the HERE and NOW and your FUTURE. some folks can multitask you know. you should correct your typo of "hear and now"...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 21:19:46 GMT -5
the fruits of the spirit were around LONG before atheistic humanism. you should stop quoting scripture you don't know what you are doing... Back to front again wally, Treating others right has been true for ever!, 2x2ism fruits only started with Willy Boy. i believe i already address that when i talked about the jewish law which is Gods law and helping others...nice try though back to history class for you back to bible class for you
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Post by xna on Jan 1, 2021 21:21:06 GMT -5
We can only be most certain about the "hear and now". Your life is not a dress rehearsal or test for moving onto the next life. We have no evidenced based reason to believe anything except, when we die it all ends for us. We by nature don't want to die, but keep on living. It's a survival instinct that serves us well. We long to see again our loved ones who have died before us. We long to see those who wronged us find justice in the end, and all in life is made fair. All this comes from a "hope in an afterlife", but this hope keeps you from doing what you can now, in the "hear and now". The religious proposition is; believe this - do this - and when you die, you get your reward. It's interesting that religious people understand that "life insurance" actually doesn't pay YOU after your death, but yet believe religious life insurance does pay YOU after your death. no it doesn't if you actually follow Christ you will address the HERE and NOW and your FUTURE. some folks can multitask you know. you should correct your typo of "hear and now"... I actually do know the difference between "hear" and "here". for the grammar police, I will attribute it to a Freudian slip of thinking you should "hear me now", before you waste the rest of your life on an imaginary afterlife.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 22:09:28 GMT -5
It makes no sense to despise the source where good comes from, grasp onto it. We don't care who develops a successful vaccine to stop Covid 19, we just want it and we want it right now. The source that good comes from is completely irrelevant. I guarantee that even if the vaccine has been discovered by an Atheist it won't worry believers, they will line up for it, including Wally.
Humanism is good, Bigotry is evil.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 22:18:32 GMT -5
It makes no sense to despise the source where good comes from, grasp onto it. We don't care who develops a successful vaccine to stop Covid 19, we just want it and we want it right now. The source that good comes from is completely irrelevant. I guarantee that even if the vaccine has been discovered by an Atheist it won't worry believers, they will line up for it, including Wally. Humanism is good, Bigotry is evil. the ends do not justify the means a very old saying atheistic humanism fits that to a T.... ummmm not necessarily true, i wont say NO to a vaccine but i will say NOT YET i'll see what it does to the rest of you before i take it and that could be quite awhile if at all... Christ trumps(pardon the pun)atheistic humanism any day of the week...
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