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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 24, 2020 23:25:32 GMT -5
Yes, that guy in the video was being an idiot. It's interesting that people obsess over their constitutional rights at the expense of human life. It's like..."don't you dare take away our constitutional right to infect people with a lethal disease". Saving lives is more important than the right to protest the inconvenience of saving lives. There seems to be people in the USA who believe they have rights but do not want to know about responsibilities. And watch them in civil court -- they are responsible for nothing, even their own accidents that hurt others. Spoiled brats.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 25, 2020 0:15:23 GMT -5
With the millions of people travelling this thanksgiving weekend in the USA to all corners of the country in confined spaces like aeroplanes , etc. , the results in the next two weeks should give some sign of how “terrible” the risks are . Using the “accepted “ mathematical transmissions numbers , the numbers of people infected and deaths shoukd rise exponentially. If ,deaths and infections don’t rise dramatically , we obviously are Not listening to the right people or “facts” , and no big deal - carry on ? Seems like the millions of people travelling , figure it’s ok , worth the risk . The sturgis motorcycle rally , with close to half million people NOT social distancing , didn’t spike the numbers as badly as predicted . I dunno
Australia , is on track to have zero Covid cases by Christmas time . True , geographical advantages , being an island But?
We’re kinda hunkered down ourselves , but ?
Alvin
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 0:49:12 GMT -5
That would hardly be comforting for the 3% and 15% who die. Why don't you care about them? Would you care if terrorists only killed 3% of those they came into contact with? Would you mobilise the nation to defeat them? Covid-19 is a lethal enemy, even though it's an enemy you can't see. It's easily defeated if you deny it the opportunity to jump to uninfected people. Which is why it's so stupid for people to congregate in order to "protest". do you carry on for those who die from the flu? that has about a 99% survival rate but about 1% die anyways maybe you should mobilize for them or don't you care? Your government could provide the flu vaccine for free like our government does.
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 0:57:15 GMT -5
Australia , is on track to have zero Covid cases by Christmas time . True , geographical advantages , being an island But? Melbourne city is not an island. They had rampant Covid infection and got rid of it without infecting the rest of Australia. So I don't see "not being an island" as an excuse. All it needs is political leadership that follows the science, and a population willing to make sacrifices for the common good.
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Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2020 1:01:36 GMT -5
Give up your guns and buy grenades. I don't think there is any tax on them. Buy RPG! and nuclear bomb suitcase , 300 plus of them were missing after the Cold War was over.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 25, 2020 1:18:23 GMT -5
Australia , is on track to have zero Covid cases by Christmas time . True , geographical advantages , being an island But? Melbourne city is not an island. They had rampant Covid infection and got rid of it without infecting the rest of Australia. So I don't see "not being an island" as an excuse. All it needs is political leadership that follows the science, and a population willing to make sacrifices for the common good. I thought Melbourne was a city on West Island.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2020 3:13:20 GMT -5
With the millions of people travelling this thanksgiving weekend in the USA to all corners of the country in confined spaces like aeroplanes , etc. , the results in the next two weeks should give some sign of how “terrible” the risks are . Using the “accepted “ mathematical transmissions numbers , the numbers of people infected and deaths shoukd rise exponentially. If ,deaths and infections don’t rise dramatically , we obviously are Not listening to the right people or “facts” , and no big deal - carry on ? Seems like the millions of people travelling , figure it’s ok , worth the risk . The sturgis motorcycle rally , with close to half million people NOT social distancing , didn’t spike the numbers as badly as predicted . I dunno Australia , is on track to have zero Covid cases by Christmas time . True , geographical advantages , being an island But? We’re kinda hunkered down ourselves , but ? Alvin Oh yes, the Sturgis motorcycle gathering did cause a spike, but it never showed up in Sturgis, of course. The last I heard there were something like 600 or 700 people in various parts of the country who got it and were in Sturgis. Recent data has shown that in every county where there has been a big gathering, like Trump was having, there were greater spreads of infection than in other places. It's kind of a bad thing to experiment with how it affects people in normal situations. Sweden now is showing how they fared compared with all the countries around them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2020 3:17:32 GMT -5
With the millions of people travelling this thanksgiving weekend in the USA to all corners of the country in confined spaces like aeroplanes , etc. , the results in the next two weeks should give some sign of how “terrible” the risks are . Using the “accepted “ mathematical transmissions numbers , the numbers of people infected and deaths shoukd rise exponentially. If ,deaths and infections don’t rise dramatically , we obviously are Not listening to the right people or “facts” , and no big deal - carry on ? Seems like the millions of people travelling , figure it’s ok , worth the risk . The sturgis motorcycle rally , with close to half million people NOT social distancing , didn’t spike the numbers as badly as predicted . I dunno Australia , is on track to have zero Covid cases by Christmas time . True , geographical advantages , being an island But? We’re kinda hunkered down ourselves , but ? Alvin I forgot to say -- Australia has done what the US has never even thought of doing, and it worked. The US is having more than 2000 deaths daily, and nothing but whack-a-mole attempts are being done to deal with it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2020 3:22:41 GMT -5
That would hardly be comforting for the 3% and 15% who die. Why don't you care about them? Would you care if terrorists only killed 3% of those they came into contact with? Would you mobilise the nation to defeat them? Covid-19 is a lethal enemy, even though it's an enemy you can't see. It's easily defeated if you deny it the opportunity to jump to uninfected people. Which is why it's so stupid for people to congregate in order to "protest". do you carry on for those who die from the flu? that has about a 99% survival rate but about 1% die anyways maybe you should mobilize for them or don't you care? No, the flu vaccine is NOT 99% effective. Neither is the flu as contagious, severe, and as deadly as Covid-19.
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Post by Dan on Nov 25, 2020 4:42:12 GMT -5
No, I'm just not gullible enough to believe that a man who spent most of his time in his basement and hardly campaigned still managed to get more votes than anyone in history, even more popular than Obama.
When an 800,000 vote lead for Trump in Pennsylvania gradually disappears 5 days after an election, it makes me a little suspicious, especially when no one but democrats were allowed to count, authenticate, or observe those votes.
The Kool-Aid drinkers are those who don't even raise an eyebrow over that.
Imagine the opposite, an 800k lead for Biden vanishes in Philadelphia after Trump supporters tabulate the votes and exclude all democrat over-sight. I suspect you'd be screaming "Fowl play"
Lets take one at a time.
Biden, -the candidate who didn't campaign a lot did so because of his concern for the people if he would have had large crowd events which could spread Covid-19.
I think most people understood this an appreciated it.
Also one of the reasons that Biden got so many votes was that more people voted this year than since 1876. Why was that, do you suppose?
As to your suspicions about Philadelphia, state law in Pennsylvania stated mail-in ballots can't be counted ahead of election ay before 7 a.m.
Considering how Trump fought against "mail-in ballots," -most people voting in person at the polls were for Trump, -while the number that voted for Biden were mail-in ballots and it takes much longer to count mail-in ballots.
It still takes longer to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots despite the state of PA spending $1 million on new equipment to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots.
That would easily account for Trump leading at the beginning but losing later when those mail-in ballots began to pile up.
As for the "over-sight" being rigged against Trump, -that simply was proved not true over & over again in all parts of the country!
Both Republicans & Democrats are allowed equal access to being able to watch elections.
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And some ballots were printed on much thinner paper than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
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Post by Dan on Nov 25, 2020 4:55:33 GMT -5
Give up your guns and buy grenades. I don't think there is any tax on them.
Good idea.. I already have a canon.. I'm not really worried about gun confiscation, no one in their right mind would apply for that job because it would be a very temporary position.
Gun nuts are pretty radical about the 2nd amendment, as Charlton Heston said, "From my cold dead hands".. I'm the same kind of crazy, anyone coming for my AR15 will only get one end of it.
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Post by shushy on Nov 25, 2020 4:57:53 GMT -5
Australia , is on track to have zero Covid cases by Christmas time . True , geographical advantages , being an island But? Melbourne city is not an island. They had rampant Covid infection and got rid of it without infecting the rest of Australia. So I don't see "not being an island" as an excuse. All it needs is political leadership that follows the science, and a population willing to make sacrifices for the common good. Fixit I really do hope you dont give credit to dodgy Dan The creep intended to pass a law to come on our property take whatever they want, arrest for no reason and take our children if we refused testing. Thank God it wsnt passed. Melbournians are moving out from the city. Property market is on the move. No one wants to experience those kind of controls again.
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 5:20:32 GMT -5
Melbourne city is not an island. They had rampant Covid infection and got rid of it without infecting the rest of Australia. So I don't see "not being an island" as an excuse. All it needs is political leadership that follows the science, and a population willing to make sacrifices for the common good. Fixit I really do hope you dont give credit to dodgy Dan The creep intended to pass a law to come on our property take whatever they want, arrest for no reason and take our children if we refused testing. Thank God it wsnt passed. Melbournians are moving out from the city. Property market is on the move. No one wants to experience those kind of controls again. Why would you refuse to test? That would be irresponsible and stupid. Do you know how many lives Dan Andrews saved with good leadership? Do you even care about them?
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 5:23:07 GMT -5
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And some ballots were printed on much thinner paper than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
Wow, your echo chamber has done a good job of brainwashing you.
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 5:30:38 GMT -5
do you carry on for those who die from the flu? that has about a 99% survival rate but about 1% die anyways maybe you should mobilize for them or don't you care? No, the flu vaccine is NOT 99% effective. Neither is the flu as contagious, severe, and as deadly as Covid-19. The Covid virus doesn't care whether its victims live or die. Before they even know they've got it, it has not only taken over their body but infected other people as well. Many who recover are left with damage to their body that remains for a long time. It's very different to flu. Only an ignoramus would talk down Covid by likening it to flu.
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Post by Gene on Nov 25, 2020 9:39:49 GMT -5
Yes, that guy in the video was being an idiot. It's interesting that people obsess over their constitutional rights at the expense of human life. It's like..."don't you dare take away our constitutional right to infect people with a lethal disease". Saving lives is more important than the right to protest the inconvenience of saving lives. ummmm this "lethal" disease has about a 97% survival rate for most age groups and a 85% survival rate for those about 70 and older or someone with underlying conditions....
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Post by Gene on Nov 25, 2020 9:46:40 GMT -5
Lets take one at a time.
Biden, -the candidate who didn't campaign a lot did so because of his concern for the people if he would have had large crowd events which could spread Covid-19.
I think most people understood this an appreciated it.
Also one of the reasons that Biden got so many votes was that more people voted this year than since 1876. Why was that, do you suppose?
As to your suspicions about Philadelphia, state law in Pennsylvania stated mail-in ballots can't be counted ahead of election ay before 7 a.m.
Considering how Trump fought against "mail-in ballots," -most people voting in person at the polls were for Trump, -while the number that voted for Biden were mail-in ballots and it takes much longer to count mail-in ballots.
It still takes longer to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots despite the state of PA spending $1 million on new equipment to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots.
That would easily account for Trump leading at the beginning but losing later when those mail-in ballots began to pile up.
As for the "over-sight" being rigged against Trump, -that simply was proved not true over & over again in all parts of the country!
Both Republicans & Democrats are allowed equal access to being able to watch elections.
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And some ballots were printed on much thinner paper than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
Why has no one brought this clear and indisputable evidence into a court of law?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 25, 2020 11:58:47 GMT -5
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And some ballots were printed on much thinner paper than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
Why has no one brought this clear and indisputable evidence into a court of law? Because the people making the accusation have not manufactured the evidence yet.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 25, 2020 12:43:17 GMT -5
Lets take one at a time.
Biden, -the candidate who didn't campaign a lot did so because of his concern for the people if he would have had large crowd events which could spread Covid-19.
I think most people understood this an appreciated it.
Also one of the reasons that Biden got so many votes was that more people voted this year than since 1876. Why was that, do you suppose?
As to your suspicions about Philadelphia, state law in Pennsylvania stated mail-in ballots can't be counted ahead of election ay before 7 a.m.
Considering how Trump fought against "mail-in ballots," -most people voting in person at the polls were for Trump, -while the number that voted for Biden were mail-in ballots and it takes much longer to count mail-in ballots.
It still takes longer to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots despite the state of PA spending $1 million on new equipment to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots.
That would easily account for Trump leading at the beginning but losing later when those mail-in ballots began to pile up.
As for the "over-sight" being rigged against Trump, -that simply was proved not true over & over again in all parts of the country!
Both Republicans & Democrats are allowed equal access to being able to watch elections.
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
How do you know any of this, Dan? Where is your information coming from? How do know that the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded?Where is your information coming from that says the ballots weren't folded? Lots of people vote only for the office of president. I voted only a few offices this time myself.Again, how do you know "some ballots were printed on much thinner paper..." Have you done any fact-checking in "software from Dominion Election?" Fact checking is available.Where did that info about "Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden" come from?Not only has Trump hurt our country and our whole democratic system in so many ways, -he is still at it by now sowing distrust in our voting system.
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Post by Gene on Nov 25, 2020 12:51:01 GMT -5
Actual facts which are easily confirmed or disproven: The dominion system prints a paper confirmation of each person’s vote so the voter can confirm that the machine recorded the vote correctly.
Further, the dominion system provides a paper copy of each vote to the election officials, thus making the electronic tabulation easily auditable.
So, again, where’s the proof that Dominion fraudulently threw the election to Biden? Why haven’t we seen evidence brought to court yet?
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 13:26:33 GMT -5
Actual facts which are easily confirmed or disproven: The dominion system prints a paper confirmation of each person’s vote so the voter can confirm that the machine recorded the vote correctly. Further, the dominion system provides a paper copy of each vote to the election officials, thus making the electronic tabulation easily auditable. So, again, where’s the proof that Dominion fraudulently threw the election to Biden? Why haven’t we seen evidence brought to court yet? Because a court of law requires a higher standard of proof. In the echo chamber courts and the courts of public opinion, practically everything is accepted. When it gets to a real court, it makes Trump and his partisans look like idiots. Does Rudy actually believe what he is saying?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 15:50:48 GMT -5
do you carry on for those who die from the flu? that has about a 99% survival rate but about 1% die anyways maybe you should mobilize for them or don't you care? No, the flu vaccine is NOT 99% effective. Neither is the flu as contagious, severe, and as deadly as Covid-19. never said the flu vaccine was 99% effective i said the flu has a 99% survival rate... tell that to the 10-50 million per year that get the flu if its not that contagious...
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 16:01:59 GMT -5
Lets take one at a time.
Biden, -the candidate who didn't campaign a lot did so because of his concern for the people if he would have had large crowd events which could spread Covid-19.
I think most people understood this an appreciated it.
Also one of the reasons that Biden got so many votes was that more people voted this year than since 1876. Why was that, do you suppose?
As to your suspicions about Philadelphia, state law in Pennsylvania stated mail-in ballots can't be counted ahead of election ay before 7 a.m.
Considering how Trump fought against "mail-in ballots," -most people voting in person at the polls were for Trump, -while the number that voted for Biden were mail-in ballots and it takes much longer to count mail-in ballots.
It still takes longer to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots despite the state of PA spending $1 million on new equipment to open envelopes and count mail-in ballots.
That would easily account for Trump leading at the beginning but losing later when those mail-in ballots began to pile up.
As for the "over-sight" being rigged against Trump, -that simply was proved not true over & over again in all parts of the country!
Both Republicans & Democrats are allowed equal access to being able to watch elections.
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And some ballots were printed on much thinner paper than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
There is one thing in thinking and another in actually knowing, a lot of human thinking is full of holes and ends up as false information which in some cases ends up as being believed as truth.
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 16:03:47 GMT -5
Give up your guns and buy grenades. I don't think there is any tax on them.
Good idea.. I already have a canon.. I'm not really worried about gun confiscation, no one in their right mind would apply for that job because it would be a very temporary position.
Gun nuts are pretty radical about the 2nd amendment, as Charlton Heston said, "From my cold dead hands".. I'm the same kind of crazy, anyone coming for my AR15 will only get one end of it.
Man that's just crazy talk. Are you in our fellowship?
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 16:05:03 GMT -5
Melbourne city is not an island. They had rampant Covid infection and got rid of it without infecting the rest of Australia. So I don't see "not being an island" as an excuse. All it needs is political leadership that follows the science, and a population willing to make sacrifices for the common good. Fixit I really do hope you dont give credit to dodgy Dan The creep intended to pass a law to come on our property take whatever they want, arrest for no reason and take our children if we refused testing. Thank God it wsnt passed. Melbournians are moving out from the city. Property market is on the move. No one wants to experience those kind of controls again. Would you rather die?
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 16:07:04 GMT -5
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And some ballots were printed on much thinner paper than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
Why has no one brought this clear and indisputable evidence into a court of law? Because it is only in the thinking of some.
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 16:08:55 GMT -5
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
How do you know any of this, Dan? Where is your information coming from? How do know that the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded?Where is your information coming from that says the ballots weren't folded? Lots of people vote only for the office of president. I voted only a few offices this time myself.Again, how do you know "some ballots were printed on much thinner paper..." Have you done any fact-checking in "software from Dominion Election?" Fact checking is available.Where did that info about "Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden" come from?Not only has Trump hurt our country and our whole democratic system in so many ways, -he is still at it by now sowing distrust in our voting system.Such is the figment of mans imagination.
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Post by shushy on Nov 25, 2020 16:28:10 GMT -5
Fixit I really do hope you dont give credit to dodgy Dan The creep intended to pass a law to come on our property take whatever they want, arrest for no reason and take our children if we refused testing. Thank God it wsnt passed. Melbournians are moving out from the city. Property market is on the move. No one wants to experience those kind of controls again. Why would you refuse to test? That would be irresponsible and stupid. Do you know how many lives Dan Andrews saved with good leadership? Do you even care about them? Fixit I think you missed the point. Freedom, human rights Not force and fear. Ps: Andrews has been accused of causing 800 deaths and many suicides.
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