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Post by Dan on Nov 25, 2020 16:34:48 GMT -5
<abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1606326197000">Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6</abbr> dmmichgood said:
Well, I still think there was some fraudulent votes counted in Philly. All the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded, so there was no way to confirm when a ballot arrived via a post mark. Many mail-in ballots had no fold crease, which would have been necessary to put them in an envelope. Thousands of ballots in Atlanta just had Biden checked, with no other down ballot voting, as if they were mass produced. And than the official ballots sent out to voters. Not to mention the software from Dominion Election Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden in Michigan. So I suspect if we had a do-over, the results would vastly change?
How do you know any of this, Dan? Where is your information coming from? How do know that the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded?Where is your information coming from that says the ballots weren't folded? Lots of people vote only for the office of president. I voted only a few offices this time myself.Again, how do you know "some ballots were printed on much thinner paper..." Have you done any fact-checking in "software from Dominion Election?" Fact checking is available.Where did that info about "Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden" come from?Not only has Trump hurt our country and our whole democratic system in so many ways, -he is still at it by now sowing distrust in our voting system.
Most of it was reported on Fox News by various guest, so I'm sure you've never heard it before.. Could just be a case of sore losers? Half of the lawsuits over the election have been rejected, so apparently there's not enough evidence of broad based fraud, or at least enough to sway the election results.
Good idea.. I already have a canon.. I'm not really worried about gun confiscation, no one in their right mind would apply for that job because it would be a very temporary position.
Gun nuts are pretty radical about the 2nd amendment, as Charlton Heston said, "From my cold dead hands".. I'm the same kind of crazy, anyone coming for my AR15 will only get one end of it.
Man that's just crazy talk. Are you in our fellowship?
I was.... And to my knowledge, there were no rules forbidding anyone from owning guns. Its a legal constitutional right, some folks are just willing to fight for their rights rather than being forced to come under complete subjugation of the state. Freedom ain't free.
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Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2020 16:40:12 GMT -5
<abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1606326197000">Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6</abbr> dmmichgood said:
How do you know any of this, Dan? Where is your information coming from? How do know that the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded?Where is your information coming from that says the ballots weren't folded? Lots of people vote only for the office of president. I voted only a few offices this time myself.Again, how do you know "some ballots were printed on much thinner paper..." Have you done any fact-checking in "software from Dominion Election?" Fact checking is available.Where did that info about "Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden" come from?Not only has Trump hurt our country and our whole democratic system in so many ways, -he is still at it by now sowing distrust in our voting system.
Most of it was reported on Fox News by various guest, so I'm sure you've never heard it before.. Could just be a case of sore losers? Half of the lawsuits over the election have been rejected, so apparently there's not enough evidence of broad based fraud, or at least enough to sway the election results.
Man that's just crazy talk. Are you in our fellowship?
I was.... And to my knowledge, there were no rules forbidding anyone from owning guns. Its a legal constitutional right, some folks are just willing to fight for their rights rather than being forced to come under complete subjugation of the state. Freedom ain't free.
*** The NZ and Aust. Don't live in the Wild Wild West days like in U.S.A. so they don't fully understand what the citizens have to face every day with methheads, Cokeheads, and crazy nuts are running around killing and robbing people while people are in their homes.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2020 17:30:04 GMT -5
No, the flu vaccine is NOT 99% effective. Neither is the flu as contagious, severe, and as deadly as Covid-19. never said the flu vaccine was 99% effective i said the flu has a 99% survival rate... tell that to the 10-50 million per year that get the flu if its not that contagious... 99% survival -- you're right. But you have to acknowledge that surviving Covid can be far more dreadful and protracted. Ask the 88,000 Covid patients presently in the hospitals in the US,
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 17:58:07 GMT -5
Why would you refuse to test? That would be irresponsible and stupid. Do you know how many lives Dan Andrews saved with good leadership? Do you even care about them? Fixit I think you missed the point. Freedom, human rights Not force and fear. Ps: Andrews has been accused of causing 800 deaths and many suicides. You really should swap places with an American you would love the Covid-free life you enjoy thanks to the wise leadership of Dan Andrews. I think the 1,420,000 known deaths so far from Covid would happily sacrifice some freedom and human rights to be alive. How can you not care about unnecessary deaths from a preventable disease? Your preference for freedom and human rights comes at a very high price. Let's assume you're OK with a lot of people dying unnecessary, but how about sparing a thought for the medical profession that has to deal with the consequences of political stupidity? Would you like to choose which people die because ICU beds and ventilators are fully used? www.bbc.com/future/article/20200428-coronavirus-how-doctors-choose-who-lives-and-dies
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2020 18:01:58 GMT -5
Fixit I think you missed the point. Freedom, human rights Not force and fear. Ps: Andrews has been accused of causing 800 deaths and many suicides. You really should swap places with an American you would love the Covid-free life you enjoy thanks to the wise leadership of Dan Andrews. I think the 1,420,000 known deaths so far from Covid would happily sacrifice some freedom and human rights to be alive. How can you not care about unnecessary deaths from a preventable disease? Your preference for freedom and human rights comes at a very high price. Let's assume you're OK with a lot of people dying unnecessary, but how about sparing a thought for the medical profession that has to deal with the consequences of political stupidity? Would you like to choose which people die because ICU beds and ventilators are fully used? www.bbc.com/future/article/20200428-coronavirus-how-doctors-choose-who-lives-and-diesAnd here's how it's worse than that. As the hospitals fill up with Covid patients, there comes the danger that there won't be room or personnel to deal with such things as burst appendices and heart attacks. We are at that stage right now in some parts of the US.
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 18:03:57 GMT -5
Ask the 88,000 Covid patients presently in the hospitals in the US ...because you can't ask the 2,000 people per day who have died unnecessarily of Covid in the US.
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2020 18:07:02 GMT -5
You really should swap places with an American you would love the Covid-free life you enjoy thanks to the wise leadership of Dan Andrews. I think the 1,420,000 known deaths so far from Covid would happily sacrifice some freedom and human rights to be alive. How can you not care about unnecessary deaths from a preventable disease? Your preference for freedom and human rights comes at a very high price. Let's assume you're OK with a lot of people dying unnecessary, but how about sparing a thought for the medical profession that has to deal with the consequences of political stupidity? Would you like to choose which people die because ICU beds and ventilators are fully used? www.bbc.com/future/article/20200428-coronavirus-how-doctors-choose-who-lives-and-diesAnd here's how it's worse than that. As the hospitals fill up with Covid patients, there comes the danger that there won't be room or personnel to deal with such things as burst appendices and heart attacks. We are at that stage right now in some parts of the US. Ideally, those who prefer freedom and human rights should die of Covid quietly at home. That would free up medical resources for those who deserve help.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2020 18:09:37 GMT -5
Ask the 88,000 Covid patients presently in the hospitals in the US ...because you can't ask the 2,000 people per day who have died unnecessarily of Covid in the US. Reportedly a very gruesome death -- slowly suffocating alone from lungs that can't be drained of fluid, and for whom intubation no longer works.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 25, 2020 18:21:05 GMT -5
Why would you refuse to test? That would be irresponsible and stupid. Do you know how many lives Dan Andrews saved with good leadership? Do you even care about them? Fixit I think you missed the point. Freedom, human rights Not force and fear. Ps: Andrews has been accused of causing 800 deaths and many suicides. Lol
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 18:55:24 GMT -5
<abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1606326197000">Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6</abbr> dmmichgood said:
How do you know any of this, Dan? Where is your information coming from? How do know that the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded?Where is your information coming from that says the ballots weren't folded? Lots of people vote only for the office of president. I voted only a few offices this time myself.Again, how do you know "some ballots were printed on much thinner paper..." Have you done any fact-checking in "software from Dominion Election?" Fact checking is available.Where did that info about "Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden" come from?Not only has Trump hurt our country and our whole democratic system in so many ways, -he is still at it by now sowing distrust in our voting system.
Most of it was reported on Fox News by various guest, so I'm sure you've never heard it before.. Could just be a case of sore losers? Half of the lawsuits over the election have been rejected, so apparently there's not enough evidence of broad based fraud, or at least enough to sway the election results.
Man that's just crazy talk. Are you in our fellowship?
I was.... And to my knowledge, there were no rules forbidding anyone from owning guns. Its a legal constitutional right, some folks are just willing to fight for their rights rather than being forced to come under complete subjugation of the state. Freedom ain't free.
Here you go with that legal constitutional right what about moral Christian right? Does owning a gun show that you love your neighbour?
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 18:58:51 GMT -5
Most of it was reported on Fox News by various guest, so I'm sure you've never heard it before.. Could just be a case of sore losers? Half of the lawsuits over the election have been rejected, so apparently there's not enough evidence of broad based fraud, or at least enough to sway the election results.
I was.... And to my knowledge, there were no rules forbidding anyone from owning guns. Its a legal constitutional right, some folks are just willing to fight for their rights rather than being forced to come under complete subjugation of the state. Freedom ain't free.
*** The NZ and Aust. Don't live in the Wild Wild West days like in U.S.A. so they don't fully understand what the citizens have to face every day with methheads, Cokeheads, and crazy nuts are running around killing and robbing people while people are in their homes. Are you joking? We have those as well probably more per head of population than you yet we don't need guns because we are not paranoid.
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 19:01:09 GMT -5
You really should swap places with an American you would love the Covid-free life you enjoy thanks to the wise leadership of Dan Andrews. I think the 1,420,000 known deaths so far from Covid would happily sacrifice some freedom and human rights to be alive. How can you not care about unnecessary deaths from a preventable disease? Your preference for freedom and human rights comes at a very high price. Let's assume you're OK with a lot of people dying unnecessary, but how about sparing a thought for the medical profession that has to deal with the consequences of political stupidity? Would you like to choose which people die because ICU beds and ventilators are fully used? www.bbc.com/future/article/20200428-coronavirus-how-doctors-choose-who-lives-and-diesAnd here's how it's worse than that. As the hospitals fill up with Covid patients, there comes the danger that there won't be room or personnel to deal with such things as burst appendices and heart attacks. We are at that stage right now in some parts of the US. And don't forget the flu
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Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2020 19:02:10 GMT -5
*** The NZ and Aust. Don't live in the Wild Wild West days like in U.S.A. so they don't fully understand what the citizens have to face every day with methheads, Cokeheads, and crazy nuts are running around killing and robbing people while people are in their homes. Are you joking? We have those as well probably more per head of population than you yet we don't need guns because we are not paranoid. ** You have NOT live in the U.S.A the last 20 years. You don't know what paranoid is until you live in certain part of cities in America.
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 19:09:14 GMT -5
Are you joking? We have those as well probably more per head of population than you yet we don't need guns because we are not paranoid. ** You have NOT live in the U.S.A the last 20 years. You don't know what paranoid is until you live in certain part of cities in America. I don't have to look far it is very evident on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 19:14:01 GMT -5
Most of it was reported on Fox News by various guest, so I'm sure you've never heard it before.. Could just be a case of sore losers? Half of the lawsuits over the election have been rejected, so apparently there's not enough evidence of broad based fraud, or at least enough to sway the election results.
I was.... And to my knowledge, there were no rules forbidding anyone from owning guns. Its a legal constitutional right, some folks are just willing to fight for their rights rather than being forced to come under complete subjugation of the state. Freedom ain't free.
Here you go with that legal constitutional right what about moral Christian right? Does owning a gun show that you love your neighbour? yes....when your neighbor is being violently attacked its quite loving to defend them with your firearm...
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Post by Dan on Nov 25, 2020 19:22:07 GMT -5
Most of it was reported on Fox News by various guest, so I'm sure you've never heard it before.. Could just be a case of sore losers? Half of the lawsuits over the election have been rejected, so apparently there's not enough evidence of broad based fraud, or at least enough to sway the election results.
I was.... And to my knowledge, there were no rules forbidding anyone from owning guns. Its a legal constitutional right, some folks are just willing to fight for their rights rather than being forced to come under complete subjugation of the state. Freedom ain't free.
Here you go with that legal constitutional right what about moral Christian right? Does owning a gun show that you love your neighbour?
"If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men" (Romans 12:18). You can be a peace loving person, but it just isn't always possible to get along with some people, especially when they want to take your property (guns). I love my neighbors as I do myself (Mark 12:31), I wouldn't demand that my neighbors surrender their guns, nor would they demand likewise. A gun just demonstrates that your prepared to defend yourself, its not meant to illustrate love. "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel" (1 Timothy 5:8). Imo, providing a safe environment is a Christian duty.
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 19:22:08 GMT -5
Here you go with that legal constitutional right what about moral Christian right? Does owning a gun show that you love your neighbour? yes....when your neighbor is being violently attacked its quite loving to defend them with your firearm... That's weird.
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 19:24:59 GMT -5
Here you go with that legal constitutional right what about moral Christian right? Does owning a gun show that you love your neighbour?
"If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men" (Romans 12:18). You can be a peace loving person, but it just isn't always possible to get along with some people, especially when they want to take your property (guns). I love my neighbors as I do myself (Mark 12:31), I wouldn't demand that my neighbors surrender their guns, nor would they demand likewise. A gun just demonstrates that your prepared to defend yourself, its not meant to illustrate love. "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel" (1 Timothy 5:8). Imo, providing a safe environment is a Christian duty.
Look you have quoted Paul, I don't see him advocating using or even having a weapon of any shape or description.
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 25, 2020 19:28:11 GMT -5
Just off the press now - Covid-19 vaccine will be provided to NZ-ers at no charge.
Daniel Andersen has made a number of mis-steps, and probably been overly autocratic. The quarantine fiasco is an example of that. However, the results are showing that his strategy of elimination is working. That suits me, because I do quite a bit of work in Melbourne, and cannot wait for the two-way TT Bubble to be created.
Our own Government acknowledged that they would make mistakes, and asked the public to remember that Covid was an unknown quantity, and that they would be in the position of "flying the plane while still building it."
Fauci was also in this position, and he also gave some wrong advice to Trump, early on, who made the mistake of repeating that from the forum of Presidential privilege. And that is probably where the bigger mistake was made. But in true partisan American style, everyone tears one another apart rather than pull together.
I for one am happy to sacrifice some short term freedom (and that is all it is), and use the Covid Tracer App, knowing that it helps keep my own elderly parents safe, and immune compromised people safe. And within twelve months of a large percentage of our population being vaccinated, then some normality will resume. Even at present we enjoy freedoms that many in other countries do not enjoy, thanks to the elimination strategy.
And before the old "Flu" argument is brought up again, the Flu vaccine is not charged for in NZ either.
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Post by Annan on Nov 25, 2020 20:38:21 GMT -5
And here's how it's worse than that. As the hospitals fill up with Covid patients, there comes the danger that there won't be room or personnel to deal with such things as burst appendices and heart attacks. We are at that stage right now in some parts of the US. Ideally, those who prefer freedom and human rights should die of Covid quietly at home. That would free up medical resources for those who deserve help. Or they should volunteer at hospitals and help those who are suffering from a hoax.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 20:54:42 GMT -5
And here's how it's worse than that. As the hospitals fill up with Covid patients, there comes the danger that there won't be room or personnel to deal with such things as burst appendices and heart attacks. We are at that stage right now in some parts of the US. Ideally, those who prefer freedom and human rights should die of Covid quietly at home. That would free up medical resources for those who deserve help. said every dictator that ever lived....good to know which side your on....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 21:15:15 GMT -5
yes....when your neighbor is being violently attacked its quite loving to defend them with your firearm... That's weird. i doubt the neighbor would think so...
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Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2020 22:37:16 GMT -5
i doubt the neighbor would think so... I remember when the Terrorists terrorized in U.S. and shooting in the schools and in the crowd, we wish that some of the citizens had license to carry weapons so, they could take them down and save lives. After that the schools allow some teachers to carry weapons in schools grounds.
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Post by speak on Nov 25, 2020 23:06:32 GMT -5
i doubt the neighbor would think so... I remember when the Terrorists terrorized in U.S. and shooting at the schools and in the crowd, we wish that some of the citizens had license to carry weapons so, they could take them down and save lives. After that the schools allow some teachers to carry weapons in schools grounds.Who were the terrorists?
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Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2020 23:23:31 GMT -5
I remember when the Terrorists terrorized in U.S. and shooting at the schools and in the crowd, we wish that some of the citizens had license to carry weapons so, they could take them down and save lives. After that the schools allow some teachers to carry weapons in schools grounds. Who were the terrorists? Crazy high school kids, Crazy Postal office men, Crazy drug addicts, Crazy workers who hate their bosses, Terrorists from talibans, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and so on... the list is quite long.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 23:24:21 GMT -5
I remember when the Terrorists terrorized in U.S. and shooting at the schools and in the crowd, we wish that some of the citizens had license to carry weapons so, they could take them down and save lives. After that the schools allow some teachers to carry weapons in schools grounds. Who were the terrorists? have we forgotten 9/11 already?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 25, 2020 23:31:23 GMT -5
<abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1606326197000">Nov 25, 2020 11:43:17 GMT -6</abbr> dmmichgood said:
How do you know any of this, Dan? Where is your information coming from? How do know that the mail-in envelopes were destroyed/discarded?Where is your information coming from that says the ballots weren't folded? Lots of people vote only for the office of president. I voted only a few offices this time myself.Again, how do you know "some ballots were printed on much thinner paper..." Have you done any fact-checking in "software from Dominion Election?" Fact checking is available.Where did that info about "Systems, which was caught shifting over 20,000 Trump votes to Biden" come from?Not only has Trump hurt our country and our whole democratic system in so many ways, -he is still at it by now sowing distrust in our voting system. Most of it was reported on Fox News by various guest, so I'm sure you've never heard it before.. Could just be a case of sore losers? Half of the lawsuits over the election have been rejected, so apparently there's not enough evidence of broad based fraud, or at least enough to sway the election results.
...so I'm sure you've never heard it before.
...clever wording there, Dan, -but yes, I had heard of them other news outlets, ...and I did 'fact-check,' them as much as I can.
Take this one:
Debunking Trump Tweets: Biden’s 143K Vote ‘Dump’ in Wisconsin
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-vote-dump
Claim : Joe Biden received a fraudulent 'dump' of 143K ballots in Wisconsin in the early morning hours after Election Day 2020.
Rating : false
Excuse me for now, I would take on the others but I've had a long day.
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Post by speak on Nov 26, 2020 0:40:52 GMT -5
Crazy high school kids, Crazy Postal office men, Crazy drug addicts, Crazy workers who hate their bosses, Terrorists from talibans, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and so on... the list is quite long. Looks like mostly home grown with access to guns, yep it was their right to have those guns according to your constitution, home grown death on a grand scale. Guns guns oh glorious guns the sick mind of America.
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