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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 22:00:28 GMT -5
*** And your unchrist behaviors on here for years make me sad with your stabs and jabs at people, you are not a good choice to be 2x2 elder. What a shame! It's not me you are looking at but yourself, sad you don't recognise yourself. I am NOT a 2x2 elder, but you are. Don't you recognize that? I hope you are NOT deceiving yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 22:01:53 GMT -5
** hahaha... Your butts will be sored from all the whipping you deserved as a lying Commy, Witch. This is disgusting, no nature of the Lamb here. uh oh, your post lacks the nature of the lamb, everything is suppose to be sugar and spice and everything nice right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 22:03:34 GMT -5
*** Why, don't you call her out when she and Curly call me all sort of names on here, 2x2 elder? You are such a hypocrite 2x2 elder! Like your 2x2 elder, Fixit. What a ashame that you 2 been doing this for years on here under different alias hiding in the dark. The Witch can dish out to people she needs to learn to take some of it back. They are not professing to be Christian like you are claiming, a very dubious/spurious claim indeed. God's rules apply to everyone...elder
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 22:05:18 GMT -5
*** Why, don't you call her out when she and Curly call me all sort of names on here, 2x2 elder? You are such a hypocrite 2x2 elder! Like your 2x2 elder, Fixit. What a ashame that you 2 been doing this for years on here under different alias hiding in the dark. The Witch can dish out to people she needs to learn to take some of it back. They are not professing to be Christian like you are claiming, a very dubious/spurious claim indeed. You are a 2x2 elder and you are NOT showing Christ-like behaviors on TMB for years. The Witch and Curly/the unbeliever are NOT Christians NOW! but they used to profess... It doesn't give them the right to talk crap to Wally and me and expect us to lie still and let them stopping on us. You are CRAZY! and deceived 2x2, elder. I see you hit back with your jabs and stabs when they accused you on this and that. Don't let the atheists/unbelievers to take the advantage or step on of the Christians goodness.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 22:08:00 GMT -5
This is disgusting, no nature of the Lamb here. uh oh, your post lacks the nature of the lamb, everything is suppose to be sugar and spice and everything nice right? Amen, Wally... We see speak lacks the nature of the lamb many times on here with his stabs, jabs posts on those who steps on his toes through the years. He is nice to those who pat on his back, but if you cross him, the wolf nature comes out with claws, and fangs.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 27, 2021 23:00:25 GMT -5
Bill Clinton was no angel, and I am well aware of past issues with him, such as Whitewater, Flowers, and of course Lewinski. He also, did not have the name "Slick Willy" for no reason. He and his wife used people, and each other for their own ends.
And yes, his name appeared on the Epstein Flight logs. Lots of people visited the island, and we simply do not know what they knew or didn't know. Prince Andrew's situation is down to a "he said, she said" situation, and the photo of him with his arm around Giuffre does not guarantee that her allegations are factual. They might be, they might not be.
You have to be very careful with your allegations. Of course, the powers that be would look at other stuff you write and allege, and simply not bother doing anythng, because they would see it has the musings of someone with a problem.
Even Epstein himself was not proven guilty in a court of law, on the latest allegations, and while his death is suspicious, we do not know what might have happened. It will be interesting to see what Maxwell says. Epstein certainly rubbed shoulders with the rich, famous and powerful, including Trump, back in the day.
But these people are all innocent, until proven guilty, as far as I am concerned, and I think you would find that lines up with Jesus' words, "Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more". Broadcasting allegations which we do not know whether they're true or false, is defamatory.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 27, 2021 23:13:09 GMT -5
You're a nasty little name-calling person. ** And you are NOT? That title fit her to a T, she likes to call me names so, I just give her a taste of her own medicine. I don't see you call her out when the Witch names calling people on here! You are one of the biggest slippery, hypocrites on here. You're still just a nasty little specimen of a man.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 23:16:23 GMT -5
** And you are NOT? That title fit her to a T, she likes to call me names so, I just give her a taste of her own medicine. I don't see you call her out when the Witch names calling people on here! You are one of the biggest slippery, hypocrites on here. You're still just a nasty little specimen of a man. And you too, slippery Bobw.... You are NOT much better than me. You are a piece of work yourself.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 23:21:24 GMT -5
Bill Clinton was no angel, and I am well aware of past issues with him, such as Whitewater, Flowers, and of course Lewinski. He also, did not have the name "Slick Willy" for no reason. He and his wife used people, and each other for their own ends. And yes, his name appeared on the Epstein Flight logs. Lots of people visited the island, and we simply do not know what they knew or didn't know. Prince Andrew's situation is down to a "he said, she said" situation, and the photo of him with his arm around Giuffre does not guarantee that her allegations are factual. They might be, they might not be.You have to be very careful with your allegations. Of course, the powers that be would look at other stuff you write and allege, and simply not bother doing anything, because they would see it has the musings of someone with a problem. Even Epstein himself was not proven guilty in a court of law, on the latest allegations, and while his death is suspicious, we do not know what might have happened. It will be interesting to see what Maxwell says. Epstein certainly rubbed shoulders with the rich, famous and powerful, including Trump, back in the day. But these people are all innocent, until proven guilty, as far as I am concerned, and I think you would find that lines up with Jesus' words, "Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more". Broadcasting allegations which we do not know whether they're true or false, is defamatory. That is your problem you see no evil and hear no evil... When they are STARING you in the face! You have been living in your own cave too long, mate.
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Do you think Prince Andrew visited Epstein private island to play Chess with him? with many of the girls were under age and under 21 years old girls on the island.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 23:22:49 GMT -5
As a senior member on TMB I would respectfully ask that the vitriol being spewed out on this thread cease right now. TMB is losing its respect with so many people, who would like to see it closed down. It will be a sad day if this happens and we only have ourselves to blame.
Strangers who visit this forum must shake there heads in disbelief. It certainly does not help to give people an understanding of the 2x2 Church. If things don't improve then stronger action may be needed.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 23:28:17 GMT -5
As a senior member on TMB I would respectfully ask that the vitriol being spewed out on this thread cease right now. TMB is losing its respect with so many people, who would like to see it closed down. It will be a sad day if this happens and we only have ourselves to blame. Strangers who visit this forum must shake there heads in disbelief. It certainly does not help to give people an understanding of the 2x2 Church. If things don't improve then stronger action may be needed. This thread is about CSA! get it... It's NOT just 2x2s problem... It's everywhere and it needs to be addressed and eradicate it around the world... Start from the TOP first then it goes down the line, mate. Don't be a hypocrite and keep this silence! or Sweep under the carpet like some workers still do today!
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:29:56 GMT -5
It's not me you are looking at but yourself, sad you don't recognise yourself. I am NOT a 2x2 elder, but you are. Don't you recognize that? I hope you are NOT deceiving yourself.I know what I am and we all know you are not an Elder, it seems that you despise Elders.
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:30:58 GMT -5
This is disgusting, no nature of the Lamb here. uh oh, your post lacks the nature of the lamb, everything is suppose to be sugar and spice and everything nice right? How does my post lack the nature of the Lamb?
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:32:45 GMT -5
They are not professing to be Christian like you are claiming, a very dubious/spurious claim indeed. God's rules apply to everyone...elder Oh what a nice spin to abdicate ones self from responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 23:32:52 GMT -5
uh oh, your post lacks the nature of the lamb, everything is suppose to be sugar and spice and everything nice right? How does my post lack the nature of the Lamb? I lack the lamb?! You lack the lamb! This whole courtroom lacks the lamb!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 23:33:46 GMT -5
All I ask is that due respect is shown toward Elders. That is plain common decency.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 23:33:48 GMT -5
I am NOT a 2x2 elder, but you are. Don't you recognize that? I hope you are NOT deceiving yourself. I know what I am and we all know you are not an Elder, it seems that you despise Elders. I despise crooked, bad 2x2 elders.... I met quite a few my time in the work, but most of them are very honorable and I admired greatly. You and fixit are the worse elders I have ever met in my 40 plus years in the 2x2 fellowship. I met and known many elders...
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 23:34:18 GMT -5
As a senior member on TMB I would respectfully ask that the vitriol being spewed out on this thread cease right now. TMB is losing its respect with so many people, who would like to see it closed down. It will be a sad day if this happens and we only have ourselves to blame. Strangers who visit this forum must shake there heads in disbelief. It certainly does not help to give people an understanding of the 2x2 Church. If things don't improve then stronger action may be needed. This thread is about CSA! get it... It's NOT just 2x2s problem... It's everywhere and it needs to be addressed and eradicate it around the world... Start from the TOP first then it goes down the line, mate. Don't be a hypocrite and keep this silence! or Sweep under the carpet like some workers still do today!
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:35:08 GMT -5
They are not professing to be Christian like you are claiming, a very dubious/spurious claim indeed. You are a 2x2 elder and you are NOT showing Christ-like behaviors on TMB for years. The Witch and Curly/the unbeliever are NOT Christians NOW! but they used to profess... It doesn't give them the right to talk crap to Wally and me and expect us to lie still and let them stopping on us. You are CRAZY! and deceived 2x2, elder. I see you hit back with your jabs and stabs when they accused you on this and that. Don't let the atheists/unbelievers to take the advantage or step on of the Christians goodness.
Why are you so much a sook? You carry on I have not that is the difference, your bad attitude is never ending.
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:38:03 GMT -5
As a senior member on TMB I would respectfully ask that the vitriol being spewed out on this thread cease right now. TMB is losing its respect with so many people, who would like to see it closed down. It will be a sad day if this happens and we only have ourselves to blame. Strangers who visit this forum must shake there heads in disbelief. It certainly does not help to give people an understanding of the 2x2 Church. If things don't improve then stronger action may be needed. Actually it brings disrepute to our Church.
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:39:22 GMT -5
As a senior member on TMB I would respectfully ask that the vitriol being spewed out on this thread cease right now. TMB is losing its respect with so many people, who would like to see it closed down. It will be a sad day if this happens and we only have ourselves to blame. Strangers who visit this forum must shake there heads in disbelief. It certainly does not help to give people an understanding of the 2x2 Church. If things don't improve then stronger action may be needed. This thread is about CSA! get it... It's NOT just 2x2s problem... It's everywhere and it needs to be addressed and eradicate it around the world... Start from the TOP first then it goes down the line, mate. Don't be a hypocrite and keep this silence! or Sweep under the carpet like some workers still do today!Here we are again putting people down, being nasty to them. No nature of the Lamb here.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2021 23:39:46 GMT -5
You are a 2x2 elder and you are NOT showing Christ-like behaviors on TMB for years. The Witch and Curly/the unbeliever are NOT Christians NOW! but they used to profess... It doesn't give them the right to talk crap to Wally and me and expect us to lie still and let them stopping on us. You are CRAZY! and deceived 2x2, elder. I see you hit back with your jabs and stabs when they accused you on this and that. Don't let the atheists/unbelievers to take the advantage or step on of the Christians goodness.
Why are you so much a sook? You carry on I have not that is the difference, your bad attitude is never ending. Here are testimonies about you and fixit... 1) Reborn/2x2 wrote: Here is some truth- Fixit/2x2 church elder has his own little AGENDA of OFF-ing people that are his true brothers or sisters in Christ by judging they have incorrect dogma. Speak/2x2 elder stands by and says nothing of the murderous spiritual intent there. No true brothers there. This has run parallel in this post pretty much the entire time. I brought it up yesterday because he would like to dispose of those whom he disagrees with. Here in the US this has happened to some, and quite frankly it is ugly. Thankful that my God will not let me go. 2) Openingact34 ex-2x2 wrote: I think she should look up some of the old threads where a senior worker (probably soon to be overseer) severely denounced fixit. Do you think you know better than a worker? On the other hand, Nathan and Wally have NEVER been condemned by ANY workers on here. They have been wonderful examples of what it means to be professing and the spirit of what I've always found among professing people, while others seek to change God's perfect way in the earth. Now speak/2x2 church elder has also turned against the workers and allied himself with fixit. "Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5. 3) Apr 10, 2017 at 8:02pm @review005/2x2 worker said:
Fixit/2x2 church elder, Hand it to you, you know the Scriptures, that is commendable. Your life and posts cause this Scripture to come to mind: "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Apr 10, 2017 at 9:33pm @review005 said: It wasn't lightly or rashly I made that posting. It is made on the basis of observance and exposure to your postings over a long period of time. It is a sincere and honest statement of how I observe that you live. You love quoting Scripture to others but I am unable to see evidence of you applying it in your own life. Oct 12, 2014 at 11:17am @review005 said: Why do you make thousands of posts over many years online but refuse a sincere genuine offer to meet worker/s whom you describe as 'good' or 'I have no problem with' to discuss your concerns? Or would you meet and discuss with parents who had children live and study in your city and who have spoken to me of their sorrow and disappointment of the influence you had upon their children while they were there? Please don't doubt that they would meet and discuss. No of course you won't...but you'll continue your anonymous daily online posting existence..... your life, your way, your reaping. Oct 12, 2014 at 1:44pm @review005 said: I have told you I am 100% ready to arrange a meeting with these parents. I would not post such unless it is fact. As I said I'm talking about concerns that I did not solicit nor seek for. In sadness they were shared by parents who have a love for the soul of their child. I knew nothing of you in real life or JO/ fixit TMB online life at the time. Apr 11, 2017 at 1:52am @review005 said: I have utmost respect for 99% of our elders. I have little respect for a man who is a smiling obsequious elder on Sunday morning and around the workers. Then takes his tie and suit jacket off, puts on his poster cloak on and posts in the manner that he does here. Yes I consider that to be hypocrisy. My sincere wish is that our kind, merciful and patient Heavenly Father will be able to help him before he gets too much older & beyond it. Dec 23, 2016 at 5:05pm @review005 said: I no longer response to fixit's baiting here; let him do as much as he wishes. Interestingly this 'resident' Sunday morning meeting elder is just the short smiley 'compliant' 'obliging' 'chap with the sisters in his field. no baiting there. Too scared I guess?? Doesn't want to 'spoil his testimony'. It's when he puts his partly anonymous 'fixit' jacket on that he gets a bit of 'dutch courage'!
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:44:18 GMT -5
I know what I am and we all know you are not an Elder, it seems that you despise Elders. I despise crooked, bad 2x2 elders.... I met quite a few my time in the work, but most of them are very honorable and I admired greatly. You and fixit are the worse elders I have ever met in my 40 plus years in the 2x2 fellowship. I met and known many elders...I know for a fact that if those Elders you speak of saw what you write here they would be horrified.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 23:45:02 GMT -5
Why are you so much a sook? You carry on I have not that is the difference, your bad attitude is never ending. Here are testimonies about you and fixit... 1) Reborn/2x2 wrote: Here is some truth- Fixit/2x2 church elder has his own little AGENDA of OFF-ing people that are his true brothers or sisters in Christ by judging they have incorrect dogma. Speak stands by and says nothing of the murderous spiritual intent there. No true brothers there. This has run parallel in this post pretty much the entire time. I brought it up yesterday because he would like to dispose of those whom he disagrees with. Here in the US this has happened to some, and quite frankly it is ugly. Thankful that my God will not let me go. 2) Openingact34 ex-2x2 wrote: I think she should look up some of the old threads where a senior worker (probably soon to be overseer) severely denounced fixit. Do you think you know better than a worker? On the other hand, Nathan and Wally have NEVER been condemned by ANY workers on here. They have been wonderful examples of what it means to be professing and the spirit of what I've always found among professing people, while others seek to change God's perfect way in the earth. Now speak/2x2 church elder has also turned against the workers and allied himself with fixit. "Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5. 3) Apr 10, 2017 at 8:02pm @review005/2x2 worker said:
Fixit/2x2 church elder, Hand it to you, you know the Scriptures, that is commendable. Your life and posts cause this Scripture to come to mind: "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Apr 10, 2017 at 9:33pm @review005 said: It wasn't lightly or rashly I made that posting. It is made on the basis of observance and exposure to your postings over a long period of time. It is a sincere and honest statement of how I observe that you live. You love quoting Scripture to others but I am unable to see evidence of you applying it in your own life. Oct 12, 2014 at 11:17am @review005 said: Why do you make thousands of posts over many years online but refuse a sincere genuine offer to meet worker/s whom you describe as 'good' or 'I have no problem with' to discuss your concerns? Or would you meet and discuss with parents who had children live and study in your city and who have spoken to me of their sorrow and disappointment of the influence you had upon their children while they were there? Please don't doubt that they would meet and discuss. No of course you won't...but you'll continue your anonymous daily online posting existence..... your life, your way, your reaping. Oct 12, 2014 at 1:44pm @review005 said: I have told you I am 100% ready to arrange a meeting with these parents. I would not post such unless it is fact. As I said I'm talking about concerns that I did not solicit nor seek for. In sadness they were shared by parents who have a love for the soul of their child. I knew nothing of you in real life or JO/ fixit TMB online life at the time. Apr 11, 2017 at 1:52am @review005 said: I have utmost respect for 99% of our elders. I have little respect for a man who is a smiling obsequious elder on Sunday morning and around the workers. Then takes his tie and suit jacket off, puts on his poster cloak on and posts in the manner that he does here. Yes I consider that to be hypocrisy. My sincere wish is that our kind, merciful and patient Heavenly Father will be able to help him before he gets too much older & beyond it. Dec 23, 2016 at 5:05pm @review005 said: I no longer response to fixit's baiting here; let him do as much as he wishes. Interestingly this 'resident' Sunday morning meeting elder is just the short smiley 'compliant' 'obliging' 'chap with the sisters in his field. no baiting there. Too scared I guess?? Doesn't want to 'spoil his testimony'. It's when he puts his partly anonymous 'fixit' jacket on that he gets a bit of 'dutch courage'! I'm not sure that did what you intended...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 23:50:11 GMT -5
I despise crooked, bad 2x2 elders.... I met quite a few my time in the work, but most of them are very honorable and I admired greatly. You and fixit are the worse elders I have ever met in my 40 plus years in the 2x2 fellowship. I met and known many elders... I know for a fact that if those Elders you speak of saw what you write here they would be horrified. same here. Confound it - I'm supposed to be a "bitter-ex"... and yet even I would defend the claim Speak makes - doctrine aside, I don't know an elder who would endorse this discourse.
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 23:51:54 GMT -5
Why are you so much a sook? You carry on I have not that is the difference, your bad attitude is never ending. Here are testimonies about you and fixit... 1) Reborn/2x2 wrote: Here is some truth- Fixit/2x2 church elder has his own little AGENDA of OFF-ing people that are his true brothers or sisters in Christ by judging they have incorrect dogma. Speak/2x2 elder stands by and says nothing of the murderous spiritual intent there. No true brothers there. This has run parallel in this post pretty much the entire time. I brought it up yesterday because he would like to dispose of those whom he disagrees with. Here in the US this has happened to some, and quite frankly it is ugly. Thankful that my God will not let me go. 2) Openingact34 ex-2x2 wrote: I think she should look up some of the old threads where a senior worker (probably soon to be overseer) severely denounced fixit. Do you think you know better than a worker? On the other hand, Nathan and Wally have NEVER been condemned by ANY workers on here. They have been wonderful examples of what it means to be professing and the spirit of what I've always found among professing people, while others seek to change God's perfect way in the earth. Now speak/2x2 church elder has also turned against the workers and allied himself with fixit. "Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5. 3) Apr 10, 2017 at 8:02pm @review005/2x2 worker said:
Fixit/2x2 church elder, Hand it to you, you know the Scriptures, that is commendable. Your life and posts cause this Scripture to come to mind: "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Apr 10, 2017 at 9:33pm @review005 said: It wasn't lightly or rashly I made that posting. It is made on the basis of observance and exposure to your postings over a long period of time. It is a sincere and honest statement of how I observe that you live. You love quoting Scripture to others but I am unable to see evidence of you applying it in your own life. Oct 12, 2014 at 11:17am @review005 said: Why do you make thousands of posts over many years online but refuse a sincere genuine offer to meet worker/s whom you describe as 'good' or 'I have no problem with' to discuss your concerns? Or would you meet and discuss with parents who had children live and study in your city and who have spoken to me of their sorrow and disappointment of the influence you had upon their children while they were there? Please don't doubt that they would meet and discuss. No of course you won't...but you'll continue your anonymous daily online posting existence..... your life, your way, your reaping. Oct 12, 2014 at 1:44pm @review005 said: I have told you I am 100% ready to arrange a meeting with these parents. I would not post such unless it is fact. As I said I'm talking about concerns that I did not solicit nor seek for. In sadness they were shared by parents who have a love for the soul of their child. I knew nothing of you in real life or JO/ fixit TMB online life at the time. Apr 11, 2017 at 1:52am @review005 said: I have utmost respect for 99% of our elders. I have little respect for a man who is a smiling obsequious elder on Sunday morning and around the workers. Then takes his tie and suit jacket off, puts on his poster cloak on and posts in the manner that he does here. Yes I consider that to be hypocrisy. My sincere wish is that our kind, merciful and patient Heavenly Father will be able to help him before he gets too much older & beyond it. Dec 23, 2016 at 5:05pm @review005 said: I no longer response to fixit's baiting here; let him do as much as he wishes. Interestingly this 'resident' Sunday morning meeting elder is just the short smiley 'compliant' 'obliging' 'chap with the sisters in his field. no baiting there. Too scared I guess?? Doesn't want to 'spoil his testimony'. It's when he puts his partly anonymous 'fixit' jacket on that he gets a bit of 'dutch courage'! What a load of crock, I spoken to review about his words on here and he is not proud of them. These words are meaningless because they are an accusation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 23:52:44 GMT -5
I know what I am and we all know you are not an Elder, it seems that you despise Elders. I despise crooked, bad 2x2 elders.... I met quite a few my time in the work, but most of them are very honorable and I admired greatly. You and fixit are the worse elders I have ever met in my 40 plus years in the 2x2 fellowship. I met and known many elders... You mean they are worse than elders who have committed CSA? (you wanted to bring the topic back to CSA, no? ) I would hope you don't believe that.
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