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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:14:33 GMT -5
All references to God are to the God of the bible. I’d encourage everyone to vote including those who read but do not normally post.
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Post by joanna on Sept 17, 2020 19:36:59 GMT -5
@matt10
I have been wondering whether the Christians who denounce other brands of Christianity, whether it is the 2x2 versus the RC's; the ex 2x2 evangelicals versus the 2x2's; or the RC's versus the protestants etc etc actually believe the 'others' worship the same god as they do.
Do the differences in biblical interpretation and the consequent contrasts in worshipping styles maintain a connection with the god of Abraham?
To the outsider like myself, a Jehovah's Witness; Mormon; 2x2; evangelical or RC can all be equally as fervent in their belief despite that each representing these Christian brands would claim their way is the right way.
What god do those who are members, of what other Christians deem to be false ways, worship?
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Post by Pragmatic on Sept 17, 2020 19:42:11 GMT -5
I neither judge, nor denounce, and nor do I denounce those in non-Christian religions. I have too much experience in dealing with Catholic Priests and Buddhists in Nepal, Salvation Army here helping the Alcoholics etc, and simply feel that the key factor is what is in the heart.
God is a label, and not everyone uses the same label, to describe the feeling of a greater presence than Man himself.
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Post by joanna on Sept 17, 2020 19:47:49 GMT -5
Pragmatic. I do not discriminate in respect to the many different religions as all emanate from the identical mindset. That said, I think it is important to identify that Islam is the most primitive of the primitive and that muslims represent the main victims of this belief system.
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Post by Pragmatic on Sept 17, 2020 19:52:36 GMT -5
Pragmatic . I do not discriminate in respect to the many different religions as all emanate from the identical mindset. That said, I think it is important to identify that Islam is the most primitive of the primitive and that muslims represent the main victims of this belief system. You're probably right. Hearing the call to prayer in a Moslem country does give one that feeling, but then one is also conscious of the many similarities in mindset to other religions too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 22:41:01 GMT -5
I neither judge, nor denounce, and nor do I denounce those in non-Christian religions. I have too much experience in dealing with Catholic Priests and Buddhists in Nepal, Salvation Army here helping the Alcoholics etc, and simply feel that the key factor is what is in the heart. God is a label, and not everyone uses the same label, to describe the feeling of a greater presence than Man himself. Thanks Pragmatic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 22:49:58 GMT -5
" Be at peace with God whatever YOU conceive God to be".
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Post by joanna on Sept 18, 2020 0:42:50 GMT -5
@redback.
From Desiderata which is lovely if you don't try to analyse it.
But if you do acknowledge that the supernatural dimension has no basis in reality, and that believing in god(s) has been an incessant cause of division and violence, then it makes sense to avoid validating "God" as a viable entity.
"Be at peace with God ; your personal leprechaun; guardian angel, magic unicorn or flying teapot makes just as much or as little sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:52:05 GMT -5
You are right Joanna, but people place too much emphasis on the word. My God is spelt Nature. Your God is your choice, not someone else's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 0:55:26 GMT -5
Thanks to those who have voted thus far. The votes to date are interesting in that they show what a diverse bunch we are when it comes to beliefs. However we need more people to vote to get a fuller picture and I would therefore encourage anyone who hasn’t yet voted to do so. So if you haven’t voted please do .... it’s very easy, all you have to do is click on the statement above that most closely reflects your own position as regards belief in God. If you read here only as a guest I would ask that you create an account for the purposes of voting and then vote. The poll is anonymous and you can always delete your account afterwards. And the benefit of voting is that you get to see the results. Whether you’re a believer or a non believer or professing or not professing or exclusive or non exclusive your vote is important. Vote now while you have the chance. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 1:16:49 GMT -5
What if someone doesn’t believe in the God ‘of the bible?’ what if someone doesn’t believe in the God of the bible, as promoted on here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 1:19:15 GMT -5
What if someone doesn’t believe in the God ‘of the bible?’ what if someone doesn’t believe in the God of the bible, as promoted on here. then your choice would probably be the last one or the first one...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 1:23:14 GMT -5
What if someone doesn’t believe in the God ‘of the bible?’ what if someone doesn’t believe in the God of the bible, as promoted on here. If you never believed in the God of the bible you should vote for the first option “ I never had any belief in God OR I never professed“. If you had a belief in the God of the bible at one point but no longer have that belief then you should choose the appropriate option further down the list which most accurately reflects when your belief in God disappeared. This poll only relates to the God of the bible. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 1:27:29 GMT -5
What if someone doesn’t believe in the God ‘of the bible?’ what if someone doesn’t believe in the God of the bible, as promoted on here. If you never believed in the God of the bible you should vote for the first option “ I never had any belief in God OR I never professed“. If you had a belief in the God of the bible at one point but no longer have that belief then you should choose the appropriate option further down the list. This poll only relates to the God of the bible. Matt10 Ok thanks Matt. I Was professing, I came on this board with a fragile belief in the God of the bible. But I have to consider, that this board has in recent months turned me into an atheist. Not by persuasion of atheists but by certain Christians.
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Post by Pragmatic on Sept 18, 2020 1:31:50 GMT -5
If you never believed in the God of the bible you should vote for the first option “ I never had any belief in God OR I never professed“. If you had a belief in the God of the bible at one point but no longer have that belief then you should choose the appropriate option further down the list. This poll only relates to the God of the bible. Matt10 Ok thanks Matt. I Was professing, I came on this board with a fragile belief in the God of the bible. But this board has in recent months turned me into an atheist. Not by persuasion of atheists but by certain Christians. Maybe those that have that effect on you Olea, are actually doing the work of the Anti-Christ. A true Christian’s life and words would not do that, in my opinion, all things considered.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 18, 2020 1:36:35 GMT -5
@redback . From Desiderata which is lovely if you don't try to analyse it. But if you do acknowledge that the supernatural dimension has no basis in reality, and that believing in god(s) has been an incessant cause of division and violence, then it makes sense to avoid validating "God" as a viable entity. "Be at peace with God ; your personal leprechaun; guardian angel, magic unicorn or flying teapot makes just as much or as little sense. Thanks for that observation of the final words of the "Desiderata," -jonanna.
That is the one part of the "Desiderata," that I can't agree with.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 18, 2020 2:11:00 GMT -5
Ok thanks Matt. I Was professing, I came on this board with a fragile belief in the God of the bible. But this board has in recent months turned me into an atheist. Not by persuasion of atheists but by certain Christians. Maybe those that have that effect on you Olea, are actually doing the work of the Anti-Christ. A true Christian’s life and words would not do that, in my opinion, all things considered. No, Pragmatic, -because a belief in an "Anti-Christ" is simply another part of the Christian belief system.
One doesn't need any part of the Christian belief system, -belief in an anti-Christ or any other part of the Christian belief system, -to realize that the "god" they had believed in all their lives was only a result of their indoctrination, -not just in the 2x2 belief, -but the whole of our social system of our Western culture!
Had we been born in another part of the world, -our religious view would have been completely different. PS:
Careful Pragmatic.
I hope you are not going to start blaming we who are atheists as being the "antichrist" and who are working for Satan as someone else once tried to do here on TMB!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 2:13:31 GMT -5
I like to substitute the word God with Creator. I see it as an unidentified energy that may or may not exist. That is why I remain Agnostic. At this point of time we don't have any conclusive evidence, only invented ones out of the Human mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 2:18:02 GMT -5
Maybe those that have that effect on you Olea, are actually doing the work of the Anti-Christ. A true Christian’s life and words would not do that, in my opinion, all things considered. No, Pragmatic, -because a belief in an "Anti-Christ" is simply another part of the Christian belief system.
One doesn't need any part of the Christian belief system, -belief in an anti-Christ or any other part of the Christian belief system, -to realize that the "god" they had believed in all their lives was only a result of their indoctrination, -not just in the 2x2 belief, -but the whole of our social system of our Western culture!
Had we been born in another part of the world, -our religious view would have been completely different. PS:
Careful Pragmatic.
I hope you are not going to start blaming we who are atheists as being the "antichrist" and who are working for Satan as someone else once tried to do here on TMB!
Hi, I can assure you, as I’ve got to know Prags he would not consider you to be working for Satan. ( and I think the spirit in his posts conveys that) I’m sure he would agree with me, that so many of you on this board have good hearts. I’m always grateful for his spirit. Don’ t think he was making reference to Atheists, his comment was in context to mine, re Christians.
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Post by Pragmatic on Sept 18, 2020 2:37:03 GMT -5
Maybe those that have that effect on you Olea, are actually doing the work of the Anti-Christ. A true Christian’s life and words would not do that, in my opinion, all things considered. No, Pragmatic, -because a belief in an "Anti-Christ" is simply another part of the Christian belief system.
One doesn't need any part of the Christian belief system, -belief in an anti-Christ or any other part of the Christian belief system, -to realize that the "god" they had believed in all their lives was only a result of their indoctrination, -not just in the 2x2 belief, -but the whole of our social system of our Western culture!
Had we been born in another part of the world, -our religious view would have been completely different. PS:
Careful Pragmatic.
I hope you are not going to start blaming we who are atheists as being the "antichrist" and who are working for Satan as someone else once tried to do here on TMB!
No, you misunderstand me, sorry. What I really want to say, I wouldn’t post on here, but Olea knows what I mean. And yes, I know if I had been born in Brunei, I would likely be a Muslim. That is why I do not judge.
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Post by blacksheep on Sept 18, 2020 10:01:06 GMT -5
When I first read this poll, I was thinking: Depends how you define God. Then as I scrolled down, I see that for the sake of this poll, God is defined as "the God of the Bible". I guess my next question is: Is that the God in the Old Testament of the Bible (the one who sent the Great Flood), or the God of the New Testament Bible (the one who "so loved the world"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 12:38:55 GMT -5
When I first read this poll, I was thinking: Depends how you define God. Then as I scrolled down, I see that for the sake of this poll, God is defined as "the God of the Bible". I guess my next question is: Is that the God in the Old Testament of the Bible (the one who sent the Great Flood), or the God of the New Testament Bible (the one who "so loved the world"? In my experience, those who profess in the 2x2 church don’t differentiate between the God of the OT and the God of the NT. They view the God(s) of the bible as one God. There may be those who take a different view but I have not come across them. In the unlikely event that anyone here did differentiate between the two while professing, then for the purposes of this poll belief in the God of the bible or any biblical based God will do. Matt10
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Post by blacksheep on Sept 18, 2020 14:17:15 GMT -5
When I first read this poll, I was thinking: Depends how you define God. Then as I scrolled down, I see that for the sake of this poll, God is defined as "the God of the Bible". I guess my next question is: Is that the God in the Old Testament of the Bible (the one who sent the Great Flood), or the God of the New Testament Bible (the one who "so loved the world"? In my experience, those who profess in the 2x2 church don’t differentiate between the God of the OT and the God of the NT. They view the God(s) of the bible as one God. There may be those who take a different view but I have not come across them. In the unlikely event that anyone here did differentiate between the two while professing, then for the purposes of this poll belief in the God of the bible or any biblical based God will do. Matt10 I was somewhat facetious...my experience with the 2x2 church was much the same as yours. However, when you transgress against me, I call on a punishing God; when I transgress against you, I call on a forgiving God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 16:59:54 GMT -5
Ok thanks Matt. I Was professing, I came on this board with a fragile belief in the God of the bible. But this board has in recent months turned me into an atheist. Not by persuasion of atheists but by certain Christians. Maybe those that have that effect on you Olea, are actually doing the work of the Anti-Christ. A true Christian’s life and words would not do that, in my opinion, all things considered. Thanks for the maybe.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 17:05:11 GMT -5
When I first read this poll, I was thinking: Depends how you define God. Then as I scrolled down, I see that for the sake of this poll, God is defined as "the God of the Bible". I guess my next question is: Is that the God in the Old Testament of the Bible (the one who sent the Great Flood), or the God of the New Testament Bible (the one who "so loved the world"? In my experience, those who profess in the 2x2 church don’t differentiate between the God of the OT and the God of the NT. They view the God(s) of the bible as one God. There may be those who take a different view but I have not come across them. In the unlikely event that anyone here did differentiate between the two while professing, then for the purposes of this poll belief in the God of the bible or any biblical based God will do. Matt10 FWIW - It's interesting that Muslims for the most part recognize that they recognize the god of the OT, but not the god of the NT.
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Post by fixit on Sept 18, 2020 17:35:04 GMT -5
Ok thanks Matt. I Was professing, I came on this board with a fragile belief in the God of the bible. But this board has in recent months turned me into an atheist. Not by persuasion of atheists but by certain Christians. Maybe those that have that effect on you Olea, are actually doing the work of the Anti-Christ. A true Christian’s life and words would not do that, in my opinion, all things considered. Yes, it's anti what I consider to be authentic Christianity. Before Christianity was religionised, authentic Christians were considered Atheists because they rejected the authorised religions of the society in which they lived. When I hear terms like "core Christian doctrine" and "Christians believe" its a big old red flag for me. I think of the quote by Mahatma Gandhi, “If it weren’t for Christians, I’d be a Christian.”
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2020 17:35:42 GMT -5
FWIW - It's interesting that Muslims for the most part recognize that they recognize the god of the OT, but not the god of the NY. They attacked the god of NY - the twin towers. HAHAHA I don't usually make such brilliant typos.
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Post by Grant on Sept 19, 2020 1:49:00 GMT -5
Maybe those that have that effect on you Olea, are actually doing the work of the Anti-Christ. A true Christian’s life and words would not do that, in my opinion, all things considered. Yes, it's anti what I consider to be authentic Christianity. Before Christianity was religionised, authentic Christians were considered Atheists because they rejected the authorised religions of the society in which they lived. When I hear terms like "core Christian doctrine" and "Christians believe" its a big old red flag for me. I think of the quote by Mahatma Gandhi, “If it weren’t for Christians, I’d be a Christian.” Not quite. If it is the one you are referring to, it is some thing like: I like your Christ but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
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