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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:37:13 GMT -5
All references to God are to the God of the bible. I’d encourage everyone to vote including those who read but do not normally post. Few problems with this poll, what on earth does a profession have to do with a belief, you act out a belief so you can tick whatever box you think fit you but does not necessarily mean it's true. And if you aksed a hundred people what there image of the God of the bible is how many different answers would you get?. Just the same as if you ask people do they believe in God. Only a fool would boldy say they do. What is your image of the God in the bible?. And how does it differ from the Hebrew image?. If there are problems with the poll you certainly haven’t pointed any of them out. You seem to think it has got something to do with the image of God. It hasn’t. And for the life of me I can’t think why anyone would think that it had. The poll really is very simple to understand. It asks about whether or not you are (still) professing and how (and when) your belief in God may have changed. It is not a difficult concept. As to the question of what does profession have to do with belief the objective of the poll is to look at the relationship between professing and belief so I suggest you wait until the poll is locked and the analysis takes place. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:47:34 GMT -5
You do mean the followers of the Irvine doctrine as those professing,don't you? But the term is used by so many,profession of faith you will the most used. Was exciting in Moscow people would say we profess our faith. Or we profess to our christianity, Like friends the Quakers lay claim to that since well before Irvine.For my 34 years I was knowingly knew I was lying every time I said we were a nameless church,wern't we conned,Friends =Quakers====Professing=christians worldwide... PS that includes the near 100000 martyred because they profess their christianity Mazgpie Yes. By professing I mean professing in the 2x2 church. The thread is titled “2x2 profession and the state of our beliefs“. I have to confess that I hadn’t considered that anyone on a 2x2 professing message board would read the term ‘2x2 profession’ and think it should be interpreted as professing in the context of the Quakers. Matt10
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2020 20:46:32 GMT -5
All references to God are to the God of the bible. I’d encourage everyone to vote including those who read but do not normally post. Few problems with this poll, what on earth does a profession have to do with a belief, you act out a belief so you can tick whatever box you think fit you but does not necessarily mean it's true. And if you aksed a hundred people what there image of the God of the bible is how many different answers would you get?. Just the same as if you ask people do they believe in God. Only a fool would boldy say they do. What is your image of the God in the bible?. And how does it differ from the Hebrew image?. You're asking two essay questions here.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2020 20:49:54 GMT -5
I neither judge, nor denounce, and nor do I denounce those in non-Christian religions. I have too much experience in dealing with Catholic Priests and Buddhists in Nepal, Salvation Army here helping the Alcoholics etc, and simply feel that the key factor is what is in the heart. God is a label, and not everyone uses the same label, to describe the feeling of a greater presence than Man himself. Great to see your comments and a view that doesn't push God as some existent thing that interjects randomly from heaven up there somewhere. Every tribe tongue and race, Im unsure who that excludes but apparently to the religious zealots that means self proclaimed Christians, and to the absolute religious nutjobs that means a small exclusive sect of the self proclaimed Christians. Some rabbi's say that Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh is the sound of breathing, everyone breathing is saying the name of God, again who does that exclude?. It's a Hebrew acronym.
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Post by chuck on Sept 23, 2020 22:30:24 GMT -5
Great to see your comments and a view that doesn't push God as some existent thing that interjects randomly from heaven up there somewhere. Every tribe tongue and race, Im unsure who that excludes but apparently to the religious zealots that means self proclaimed Christians, and to the absolute religious nutjobs that means a small exclusive sect of the self proclaimed Christians. Some rabbi's say that Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh is the sound of breathing, everyone breathing is saying the name of God, again who does that exclude?. It's a Hebrew acronym. That's what we would say.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 23, 2020 22:33:22 GMT -5
That's what we would say. Who you mean by "we?"
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Post by chuck on Sept 23, 2020 22:37:29 GMT -5
Few problems with this poll, what on earth does a profession have to do with a belief, you act out a belief so you can tick whatever box you think fit you but does not necessarily mean it's true. And if you aksed a hundred people what there image of the God of the bible is how many different answers would you get?. Just the same as if you ask people do they believe in God. Only a fool would boldy say they do. What is your image of the God in the bible?. And how does it differ from the Hebrew image?. You're asking two essay questions here. I wasn't the one trying to simplify it to a poll that shows what exactly?. I don't believe you can answer some of these questions in a simple poll.
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Post by chuck on Sept 23, 2020 22:46:52 GMT -5
That's what we would say. Who you mean by "we?"Westerners if im am allowed to generalise. Particularly those in the 20-21st century. Although it's been happening a lot longer that that.
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Post by chuck on Sept 24, 2020 19:05:26 GMT -5
Few problems with this poll, what on earth does a profession have to do with a belief, you act out a belief so you can tick whatever box you think fit you but does not necessarily mean it's true. And if you aksed a hundred people what there image of the God of the bible is how many different answers would you get?. Just the same as if you ask people do they believe in God. Only a fool would boldy say they do. What is your image of the God in the bible?. And how does it differ from the Hebrew image?. If there are problems with the poll you certainly haven’t pointed any of them out. You seem to think it has got something to do with the image of God. It hasn’t. And for the life of me I can’t think why anyone would think that it had. The poll really is very simple to understand. It asks about whether or not you are (still) professing and how (and when) your belief in God may have changed. It is not a difficult concept. As to the question of what does profession have to do with belief the objective of the poll is to look at the relationship between professing and belief so I suggest you wait until the poll is locked and the analysis takes place. Matt10 You can profess or proclaim what ever you like in this poll. But its not true unless it's acted out. So what is the poll for? are you going to watch every participant for the next year to see if what they claim is true to complete your poll?. It is about a image, because even the polster has a different image to the pollees. So if your image is different and you act out your belief of that image different how accurate is the poll?. You cannot simplify it as you are trying to do. It would take years to answer this poll. To me it shows the image you have received of God and now rejected is not true, hence why you believe your poll is valid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 0:35:07 GMT -5
If there are problems with the poll you certainly haven’t pointed any of them out. You seem to think it has got something to do with the image of God. It hasn’t. And for the life of me I can’t think why anyone would think that it had. The poll really is very simple to understand. It asks about whether or not you are (still) professing and how (and when) your belief in God may have changed. It is not a difficult concept. As to the question of what does profession have to do with belief the objective of the poll is to look at the relationship between professing and belief so I suggest you wait until the poll is locked and the analysis takes place. Matt10 You can profess or proclaim what ever you like in this poll. But its not true unless it's acted out. So what is the poll for? are you going to watch every participant for the next year to see if what they claim is true to complete your poll?. It is about a image, because even the polster has a different image to the pollees. So if your image is different and you act out your belief of that image different how accurate is the poll?. You cannot simplify it as you are trying to do. It would take years to answer this poll. To me it shows the image you have received of God and now rejected is not true, hence why you believe your poll is valid. You clearly misunderstand what the poll is about. It is not about proclaiming anything. It is not about an image of God. It is not about acting out. It is simply about whether you profess as a 2x2 and about your belief in God. It is not a difficult concept and no one else seems to have any problems grasping it. None of what you have written here makes any sense. I think that, inadvertently, this poll is turning out to tell us more about how believers think and will possibly tell us something about why believers have the capacity to believe and non believers don’t. Matt10
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Post by chuck on Sept 25, 2020 19:13:09 GMT -5
You can profess or proclaim what ever you like in this poll. But its not true unless it's acted out. So what is the poll for? are you going to watch every participant for the next year to see if what they claim is true to complete your poll?. It is about a image, because even the polster has a different image to the pollees. So if your image is different and you act out your belief of that image different how accurate is the poll?. You cannot simplify it as you are trying to do. It would take years to answer this poll. To me it shows the image you have received of God and now rejected is not true, hence why you believe your poll is valid. You clearly misunderstand what the poll is about. It is not about proclaiming anything. It is not about an image of God. It is not about acting out. It is simply about whether you profess as a 2x2 and about your belief in God. It is not a difficult concept and no one else seems to have any problems grasping it. None of what you have written here makes any sense. I think that, inadvertently, this poll is turning out to tell us more about how believers think and will possibly tell us something about why believers have the capacity to believe and non believers don’t. Matt10 No I understand the poll quite well and the reasoning in why one would think the poll is sound. Which is why I point out some of the questions are impossible to answer in a poll. Check box 2 for example, how does a poll show a belief for God as strong as it ever was?. If you think that can be truthfully answered in a poll your are deluded. The polsters view or image of God is clearly shown by the poll and their confidence in its questions and answers is ignorant of the scriptures. No wonder people reject God.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 0:37:53 GMT -5
You clearly misunderstand what the poll is about. It is not about proclaiming anything. It is not about an image of God. It is not about acting out. It is simply about whether you profess as a 2x2 and about your belief in God. It is not a difficult concept and no one else seems to have any problems grasping it. None of what you have written here makes any sense. I think that, inadvertently, this poll is turning out to tell us more about how believers think and will possibly tell us something about why believers have the capacity to believe and non believers don’t. Matt10 No I understand the poll quite well and the reasoning in why one would think the poll is sound. Which is why I point out some of the questions are impossible to answer in a poll. Check box 2 for example, how does a poll show a belief for God as strong as it ever was?. If you think that can be truthfully answered in a poll your are deluded. The polsters view or image of God is clearly shown by the poll and their confidence in its questions and answers is ignorant of the scriptures. No wonder people reject God. If you runderstand the poll you are certainly hiding it well. Nothing you have said so far indicates that you do understand the poll at all. In fact nothing you have written so far has made any sense whatsoever. The questions which you claim are impossible to answer in a poll are not questions that are being asked in the poll. And the question that is being asked in the poll is clearly not impossible to answer in a poll as everyone else has answered it without difficulty. There really are only two possibilities here. Either the poll doesn’t make any sense or you don’t make any sense. If you are unsure about which of these is true you could always run a poll here to obtain other people’s views. Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 26, 2020 0:49:47 GMT -5
No I understand the poll quite well and the reasoning in why one would think the poll is sound. Which is why I point out some of the questions are impossible to answer in a poll. Check box 2 for example, how does a poll show a belief for God as strong as it ever was?. If you think that can be truthfully answered in a poll your are deluded. The polsters view or image of God is clearly shown by the poll and their confidence in its questions and answers is ignorant of the scriptures. No wonder people reject God. If you runderstand the poll you are certainly hiding it well. Nothing you have said so far indicates that you do understand the poll at all. In fact nothing you have written so far has made any sense whatsoever. The questions which you claim are impossible to answer in a poll are not questions that are being asked in the poll. And the question that is being asked in the poll is clearly not impossible to answer in a poll as everyone else has answered it without difficulty. There really are only two possibilities here. Either the poll doesn’t make any sense or you don’t make any sense. If you are unsure about which of these is true you could always run a poll here to obtain other people’s views. Matt10 I agree with you, Matt!
From experience I warn you that getting into a discussion with Chuck is like walking into quick sand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 1:21:59 GMT -5
If you runderstand the poll you are certainly hiding it well. Nothing you have said so far indicates that you do understand the poll at all. In fact nothing you have written so far has made any sense whatsoever. The questions which you claim are impossible to answer in a poll are not questions that are being asked in the poll. And the question that is being asked in the poll is clearly not impossible to answer in a poll as everyone else has answered it without difficulty. There really are only two possibilities here. Either the poll doesn’t make any sense or you don’t make any sense. If you are unsure about which of these is true you could always run a poll here to obtain other people’s views. Matt10 I agree with you, Matt!
From experience I warn you that getting into a discussion with Chuck is like walking into quick sand. I won’t be getting into a discussion. To do so would require me to have some understanding of what he is talking about and I have no idea whatsoever. Indeed I’m bemused as to how something as simple as this poll can seem so incomprehensible. Welcome to the world of the fundamentalist believer. When I’ve concluded this poll I think my next quest might be to examine the link between belief and irrationality. What is it that prevents the believer understanding simple concepts that are easily grasped by the non believer and what leads the believer to speak in riddles that no one else can understand? There is certainly plenty of material here to work on. Matt10
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 26, 2020 1:24:35 GMT -5
According to Falwell, Joe sat in the corner masturbating while the Holy Bull had his wicked way with Mary.
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Post by chuck on Sept 26, 2020 4:02:18 GMT -5
No I understand the poll quite well and the reasoning in why one would think the poll is sound. Which is why I point out some of the questions are impossible to answer in a poll. Check box 2 for example, how does a poll show a belief for God as strong as it ever was?. If you think that can be truthfully answered in a poll your are deluded. The polsters view or image of God is clearly shown by the poll and their confidence in its questions and answers is ignorant of the scriptures. No wonder people reject God. If you runderstand the poll you are certainly hiding it well. Nothing you have said so far indicates that you do understand the poll at all. In fact nothing you have written so far has made any sense whatsoever. The questions which you claim are impossible to answer in a poll are not questions that are being asked in the poll. And the question that is being asked in the poll is clearly not impossible to answer in a poll as everyone else has answered it without difficulty. There really are only two possibilities here. Either the poll doesn’t make any sense or you don’t make any sense. If you are unsure about which of these is true you could always run a poll here to obtain other people’s views. Matt10 A mere statement cannot reflect your position in your belief in God. If you think a statement can show your belief in God I understand why you reject the Idea of God and also understand why you believe in the poll.
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Post by chuck on Sept 26, 2020 4:07:20 GMT -5
If you runderstand the poll you are certainly hiding it well. Nothing you have said so far indicates that you do understand the poll at all. In fact nothing you have written so far has made any sense whatsoever. The questions which you claim are impossible to answer in a poll are not questions that are being asked in the poll. And the question that is being asked in the poll is clearly not impossible to answer in a poll as everyone else has answered it without difficulty. There really are only two possibilities here. Either the poll doesn’t make any sense or you don’t make any sense. If you are unsure about which of these is true you could always run a poll here to obtain other people’s views. Matt10 I agree with you, Matt!
From experience I warn you that getting into a discussion with Chuck is like walking into quick sand. I can't help it so many cannot get past the Idea of God religion put in their head of God. If you believe this poll can be answered by a mere tick and flick it's no surprise you reject God. You cannot answer this poll truthfully by ticking a box.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 26, 2020 4:10:32 GMT -5
I agree with you, Matt!
From experience I warn you that getting into a discussion with Chuck is like walking into quick sand. I can't help it so many cannot get past the Idea of God religion put in their head of God. If you believe this poll can be answered by a mere tick and flick it's no surprise you reject God. You cannot answer this poll truthfully by ticking a box. That is a nonsense. I answered that i was professing but no longer believe that there is a god. That is a truth. The notion that there is a god as described in the bible is just that, a notion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 6:11:38 GMT -5
If you runderstand the poll you are certainly hiding it well. Nothing you have said so far indicates that you do understand the poll at all. In fact nothing you have written so far has made any sense whatsoever. The questions which you claim are impossible to answer in a poll are not questions that are being asked in the poll. And the question that is being asked in the poll is clearly not impossible to answer in a poll as everyone else has answered it without difficulty. There really are only two possibilities here. Either the poll doesn’t make any sense or you don’t make any sense. If you are unsure about which of these is true you could always run a poll here to obtain other people’s views. Matt10 A mere statement cannot reflect your position in your belief in God. If you think a statement can show your belief in God I understand why you reject the Idea of God and also understand why you believe in the poll. 1. A mere statement can describe your position as regards your belief (or non belief) in God. 29 people have already indicated their position as regards that by choosing the most appropriate statement. 2. I do not think a statement can show your belief in God. But it can describe your position as regards your belief (or non belief) in God. 3. I do not reject the idea of God. I simply reject the idea of a Christian God who can do anything useful. 4. I do not believe in the poll. I will merely post my observations based on the results once the poll locks. Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 26, 2020 22:17:25 GMT -5
I agree with you, Matt!
From experience I warn you that getting into a discussion with Chuck is like walking into quick sand. I can't help it so many cannot get past the Idea of God religion put in their head of God. If you believe this poll can be answered by a mere tick and flick it's no surprise you reject God. You cannot answer this poll truthfully by ticking a box. Don't insult people's ability to be truthful just because they don't fit your standard of belief!
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2020 16:40:22 GMT -5
I can't help it so many cannot get past the Idea of God religion put in their head of God. If you believe this poll can be answered by a mere tick and flick it's no surprise you reject God. You cannot answer this poll truthfully by ticking a box. That is a nonsense. I answered that i was professing but no longer believe that there is a god. That is a truth. The notion that there is a god as described in the bible is just that, a notion. What do you mean by "is a God"?. I see no "is a God" in the following explaining what it is to know God. If you act out the following how true is the box you ticked. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIV
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 29, 2020 16:47:24 GMT -5
That is a nonsense. I answered that i was professing but no longer believe that there is a god. That is a truth. The notion that there is a god as described in the bible is just that, a notion. What do you mean by "is a God"?. I see no "is a God" in the following explaining what it is to know God. If you act out the following how true is the box you ticked. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVTell that nonsense to someone living ten thousand years ago in Africa. You would probably get the same response from them as you do from me.
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2020 19:47:58 GMT -5
What do you mean by "is a God"?. I see no "is a God" in the following explaining what it is to know God. If you act out the following how true is the box you ticked. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVTell that nonsense to someone living ten thousand years ago in Africa. You would probably get the same response from them as you do from me. Thanks for confirming my argument.
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2020 19:51:34 GMT -5
A mere statement cannot reflect your position in your belief in God. If you think a statement can show your belief in God I understand why you reject the Idea of God and also understand why you believe in the poll. 1. A mere statement can describe your position as regards your belief (or non belief) in God. 29 people have already indicated their position as regards that by choosing the most appropriate statement. 2. I do not think a statement can show your belief in God. But it can describe your position as regards your belief (or non belief) in God. 3. I do not reject the idea of God. I simply reject the idea of a Christian God who can do anything useful. 4. I do not believe in the poll. I will merely post my observations based on the results once the poll locks. Matt10 Explain how a tick box in the poll accurately displays this character in a person. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIV
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2020 19:54:23 GMT -5
I can't help it so many cannot get past the Idea of God religion put in their head of God. If you believe this poll can be answered by a mere tick and flick it's no surprise you reject God. You cannot answer this poll truthfully by ticking a box. Don't insult people's ability to be truthful just because they don't fit your standard of belief! You have missed the point. Im pretty sure everyone is being truthful. But is it true, that's the question and this poll cannot answer that. As curly has so kindly just pointed out.
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