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Post by openingact34 on Aug 15, 2020 7:33:17 GMT -5
** Acts 3:12 John and Peter; Acts 13:1-2 Barnabas and Paul; Acts 15 Paul and Silas; Barnabas and Jonh Mark. Acts 16 Paul and Timothy. In Luke CH 22:36 Jesus directed then " ... if you don't have a sword sell your garment and buy one ..." What is a sword used for? To KILL!!! The 10 COMMANDMENTS that Moses received said " Thou shalt not kill!" This is what confuses me about the Bible ... Moses says not to kill! The son of God directed his disciples to carry a sword ... a device used to KILL! It makes a lot more sense when you start to realize that God is a crazy, murderous monster. After setting up the commandments, God masterminded the first and still largest civilian mass killing in history. Moses was given the instructions. “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.” - Exodus 32:27-9 Can you imagine hacking up up you closest family members with a sword because the elder worker brings you the message from the Lord?
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Post by jetmech on Aug 15, 2020 8:12:18 GMT -5
Once a man was convicted of using a deadly weapon. It was his wife's fly swatter. It had a plastic handle, so he wrapped it around her neck and held it until she stopped kicking. And off The track I go again with a “Terrible Story “ about a husband that was very abusive to his wife for years and years And years . Finally he died . As is often the case , the “ grieving “ widow was asked , by the “worker” , (in this particular case ,) what the dying husbands last words on this earth were . She was very hesitant to share , but After a fair amount of pressure by the worker she sadly shared her abusive husband’s last words - Mary , please put down the gun . Speak says we can't have any hilarity on here and we've got to be genuine and serious, otherwise we'll lose a couple pegs of credibility! Well this is hilarious and I'm laughin' about it ... I don't care ... this is funny!!!
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Post by jetmech on Aug 15, 2020 8:14:57 GMT -5
Ok Speak something has to give here... one of us has to give. Let it be me. I was just joshin' with you ... and I know you know it. You can have the last word if it's that important to you. Next time let me know if you are serious about really wanting answers. I was not looking to have a last word and you saying that has sent your credibility down a few pegs with me. I'm not looking for answers that say there is no GOD or make fun of my GOD.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 15, 2020 8:30:01 GMT -5
Next time let me know if you are serious about really wanting answers. I was not looking to have a last word and you saying that has sent your credibility down a few pegs with me. I'm not looking for answers that say there is no GOD or make fun of my GOD. jetmech I think you may have misunderstood what speak said, he is a Christian.
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 15, 2020 8:40:55 GMT -5
And off The track I go again with a “Terrible Story “ about a husband that was very abusive to his wife for years and years And years . Finally he died . As is often the case , the “ grieving “ widow was asked , by the “worker” , (in this particular case ,) what the dying husbands last words on this earth were . She was very hesitant to share , but After a fair amount of pressure by the worker she sadly shared her abusive husband’s last words - Mary , please put down the gun . Speak says we can't have any hilarity on here and we've got to be genuine and serious, otherwise we'll lose a couple pegs of credibility! Well this his hilarious and I'm laughin' about it ... I don't care ... this is funny!!! Maxwells silver hammer - Beatles m.youtube.com/watch?v=mJag19WoAe0
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Post by nathan on Aug 15, 2020 8:59:59 GMT -5
*** READ the gospel of Mark 6:7 Jesus calling the 12 to him, he sent them out TWO and TWO. In Matthew chapter 10 jesus named the 12 apostles that he sent forth TWO and TWO... Peter and James go in pairs, James and John go in pairs and down the line... Nathan, you are not listening. I am not arguing against the fact that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two.That is an attested fact. I have already quoted Mark and Luke with their specific matter of fact statements (as opposed to commands) AND have stated that it can be inferred from circumstances in Matthew's gospel that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two. What I am stating as fact!...is that there is no mention throughout the entirety of Matthew's gospel that Jesus 'specifically' sent his disciples out two and two, far less in Matthew 10 itself. A whole religion was built up on Jesus sending out his disciples two and two as supposedly mentioned in Matthew 10, which is an erroneous statement. Taking Matthew 10 by itself, Jesus could have sent them out singly, in pairs, threes...or even fifteens...No wait...there were only twelve of them. Matthew 10 does not state that Jesus sent them out in pairs. We are not arguing over whether he did or not. We are debating what is actually stated. Some have given importance to a format which is not even stated in the chapter they cite for authority. That is the point. Matthew10 has pointed out to you, if you READ others verses in the Bible then you can SEE and UNDERSTAND it. I believe you just like to argue just for the FUN out if it, Ram. Just like the Word Bible is NOT in the Bible so are you NOT going to believe in the Bible now? Come on, Ram.
1) Matthew10 wrote: It clearly says here in Matthew 10:1-2 that Jesus sent his disciples out two by two. Remember just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean that it isn’t there. Sometimes you need faith to open your eyes. A wise and prudent man told me here recently that “sight often sees less than faith“ and therefore those who rely purely on sight without faith can be blind. I think this may be what is happening to you here, (ram). Matt10
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Post by nathan on Aug 15, 2020 9:13:51 GMT -5
In Luke CH 22:36 Jesus directed then " ... if you don't have a sword sell your garment and buy one ..." What is a sword used for? To KILL!!! The 10 COMMANDMENTS that Moses received said " Thou shalt not kill!" This is what confuses me about the Bible ... Moses says not to kill! The son of God directed his disciples to carry a sword ... a device used to KILL! It makes a lot more sense when you start to realize that God is a crazy, murderous monster. After setting up the commandments, God masterminded the first and still largest civilian mass killing in history. Moses was given the instructions. “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.” - Exodus 32:27-9 Can you imagine hacking up up you closest family members with a sword because the elder worker brings you the message from the Lord? You, myself and others on here don't LIVE in those days and really KNOW or UNDERSTAND why, God but He does... If God do this and that you better do it because HE is ALWAYS right! Many of the times in the Old Testament the children of Israel refused to obey his instructions and the paid with a hefty price for their disobedience so, their enemies enslaved them for years to come and made their lives a LIVING hell.
God KNOWS and SEES the future so, it's best to LISTEN and OBEY what He has asked of you or anyone to do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 9:41:56 GMT -5
Ok Speak something has to give here... one of us has to give. Let it be me. I was just joshin' with you ... and I know you know it. You can have the last word if it's that important to you. Next time let me know if you are serious about really wanting answers. I was not looking to have a last word and you saying that has sent your credibility down a few pegs with me. Not to worry though. The formula for a person's credibility is the inverse of their Speak Credibility Index. IOW, your credibility increased.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 15, 2020 10:41:50 GMT -5
Did Jesus or Paul ever command/ask anyone NOT to be a soldier?
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Post by mountain on Aug 15, 2020 12:58:59 GMT -5
Did Jesus or Paul ever command/ask anyone NOT to be a soldier? Don't forget the Holy Spirit was unleashed to the Gentiles (Acts 10) through a soldier, Cornelius the Centurion. Also, Jesus had never seen such faith in all of Israel as he found in another centurion whose servant was sick and sought Jesus to heal the servant. When soldiers came to John the Baptist to be baptised and they asked him what they should do, he told them to be content with their (soldier's) wages and to do no violence. Violence is the use of excessive force, or exceeding what the law permitted them to do in their office as soldier. Luke 3 12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? 13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you. 14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
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Post by mountain on Aug 15, 2020 13:03:10 GMT -5
Nathan, you are not listening. I am not arguing against the fact that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two.That is an attested fact. I have already quoted Mark and Luke with their specific matter of fact statements (as opposed to commands) AND have stated that it can be inferred from circumstances in Matthew's gospel that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two. What I am stating as fact!...is that there is no mention throughout the entirety of Matthew's gospel that Jesus 'specifically' sent his disciples out two and two, far less in Matthew 10 itself. A whole religion was built up on Jesus sending out his disciples two and two as supposedly mentioned in Matthew 10, which is an erroneous statement. Taking Matthew 10 by itself, Jesus could have sent them out singly, in pairs, threes...or even fifteens...No wait...there were only twelve of them. Matthew 10 does not state that Jesus sent them out in pairs. We are not arguing over whether he did or not. We are debating what is actually stated. Some have given importance to a format which is not even stated in the chapter they cite for authority. That is the point. Matthew10 has pointed out to you, if you READ others verses in the Bible then you can SEE and UNDERSTAND it. I believe you just like to argue just for the FUN out if it, Ram. Just like the Word Bible is NOT in the Bible so are you NOT going to believe in the Bible now? Come on, Ram.
1) Matthew10 wrote: It clearly says here in Matthew 10:1-2 that Jesus sent his disciples out two by two. Remember just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean that it isn’t there. Sometimes you need faith to open your eyes. A wise and prudent man told me here recently that “sight often sees less than faith“ and therefore those who rely purely on sight without faith can be blind. I think this may be what is happening to you here, (ram). Matt10 Nathan, please quote a reference from Matthew's gospel where it specifically states that Jesus sent out his disciples two and two....you know, the same way that it is specifically recorded once each as a matter of fact, in Mark's and Luke's gospels. I heard for many years that Jesus had sent out his disciples two and two as stated in Matthew 10, which I believed and oft repeated, until I sought out the exact wording.
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Post by Dan on Aug 15, 2020 13:34:46 GMT -5
There are a half dozen Hebrew words that can mean 'kill', most refer to killing for a cause or reason. But 'kill' in Exodus 20:13 is best defined as 'murder'. Strong's concordance ref #7523 has the Hebrew as "ratsach": to murder, slay.
"That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee. But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities: Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die. Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee" (Deuteronomy 19:10-13).
A sword can be a device used to keep from being killed.
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Post by nathan on Aug 15, 2020 13:52:08 GMT -5
Matthew10 has pointed out to you, if you READ others verses in the Bible then you can SEE and UNDERSTAND it. I believe you just like to argue just for the FUN out if it, Ram. Just like the Word Bible is NOT in the Bible so are you NOT going to believe in the Bible now? Come on, Ram.
1) Matthew10 wrote: It clearly says here in Matthew 10:1-2 that Jesus sent his disciples out two by two. Remember just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean that it isn’t there. Sometimes you need faith to open your eyes. A wise and prudent man told me here recently that “sight often sees less than faith“ and therefore those who rely purely on sight without faith can be blind. I think this may be what is happening to you here, (ram). Matt10 Nathan, please quote a reference from Matthew's gospel where it specifically states that Jesus sent out his disciples two and two....you know, the same way that it is specifically recorded once each as a matter of fact, in Mark's and Luke's gospels. I heard for many years that Jesus had sent out his disciples two and two as stated in Matthew 10, which I believed and oft repeated, until I sought out the exact wording. ** Like I said you like to argue so I will leave you alone and bug others on your where it said in Matthew 10 they go TWO and TWO.
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Post by mountain on Aug 15, 2020 14:17:38 GMT -5
Nathan, please quote a reference from Matthew's gospel where it specifically states that Jesus sent out his disciples two and two....you know, the same way that it is specifically recorded once each as a matter of fact, in Mark's and Luke's gospels. I heard for many years that Jesus had sent out his disciples two and two as stated in Matthew 10, which I believed and oft repeated, until I sought out the exact wording. ** Like I said you like to argue so I will leave you alone and bug others on your where it said in Matthew 10 they go TWO and TWO. No Nathan, I am a stickler for the truth..........well sometimes......and this is one of these occasions. You know as well as I do that Matthew who penned the most detailed gospel, never recorded that Jesus specifically sent out his disciples two and two, yet he is supposed to be the one whose gospel recorded such a format (as a command). No one is arguing against the fact that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two, but it wasn't a hook to hang your coat on, otherwise it's importance and necessity would have been clearly stated. Always remember, those who dine alleviate their hunger.(curlywurlysammcgee)
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 15, 2020 14:22:37 GMT -5
Nathan, please quote a reference from Matthew's gospel where it specifically states that Jesus sent out his disciples two and two....you know, the same way that it is specifically recorded once each as a matter of fact, in Mark's and Luke's gospels. I heard for many years that Jesus had sent out his disciples two and two as stated in Matthew 10, which I believed and oft repeated, until I sought out the exact wording. ** Like I said you like to argue so I will leave you alone and bug others on your where it said in Matthew 10 they go TWO and TWO. ** Like I said you like to argue... You can very well be classed in this same boat, Nathan.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2020 15:28:02 GMT -5
After setting up the commandments, God masterminded the first and still largest civilian mass killing in history. You have no idea how big the killing was or if it was even the first, and certainly not the last. Three thousand is a drop in the bucket compared to eleven million. Surely some good apologist can provide a logic for this. Wally is best at this kind of history.
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Post by nathan on Aug 15, 2020 15:55:16 GMT -5
** Like I said you like to argue so I will leave you alone and bug others on your where it said in Matthew 10 they go TWO and TWO. ** Like I said you like to argue... You can very well be classed in this same boat, Nathan. ** No, I point out the correct teachings of Jesus.
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Post by nathan on Aug 15, 2020 15:59:40 GMT -5
** Like I said you like to argue so I will leave you alone and bug others on your where it said in Matthew 10 they go TWO and TWO. No Nathan, I am a stickler for the truth..........well sometimes......and this is one of these occasions. You know as well as I do that Matthew who penned the most detailed gospel, never recorded that Jesus specifically sent out his disciples two and two, yet he is supposed to be the one whose gospel recorded such a format (as a command). No one is arguing against the fact that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two, but it wasn't a hook to hang your coat on, otherwise it's importance and necessity would have been clearly stated. Always remember, those who dine alleviate their hunger.(curlywurlysammcgee) *** You are best known as a joker most of the time, you like to jank the readers chains And you are very good at it. We have seen your pranks works on TMB in the past already. Your truth is NOT sound, Ram.
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 15, 2020 16:10:42 GMT -5
After setting up the commandments, God masterminded the first and still largest civilian mass killing in history. You have no idea how big the killing was or if it was even the first, and certainly not the last. Three thousand is a drop in the bucket compared to eleven million. Surely some good apologist can provide a logic for this. Wally is best at this kind of history. Well, to provide some perspective, the progressive magazine Mother Jones maintains a database of mass shootings in the United States going back 38 years. www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/ALL off those killings combined over the entire 38 years totals 953 dead in a country with a population north of 300 million people. God made sure that his chosen people killed 3000 of their own civilians in just one day! He truly is the greatest! And they were using Jesus' preferred weapon the sword to run around hacking up their own family members, not modern firearms. Killing someone with a sword takes some effort, especially when they try to fight back. The carnage must have been unthinkable, and quite a turn-on for God.
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Post by mountain on Aug 15, 2020 17:04:58 GMT -5
No Nathan, I am a stickler for the truth..........well sometimes......and this is one of these occasions. You know as well as I do that Matthew who penned the most detailed gospel, never recorded that Jesus specifically sent out his disciples two and two, yet he is supposed to be the one whose gospel recorded such a format (as a command). No one is arguing against the fact that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two, but it wasn't a hook to hang your coat on, otherwise it's importance and necessity would have been clearly stated. Always remember, those who dine alleviate their hunger.(curlywurlysammcgee) *** You are best known as a joker most of the time, you like to jank the readers chains And you are very good at it. We have seen your pranks works on TMB in the past already. Your truth is NOT sound, Ram. My truth is as sound as an unsold cabbage. This is a well attested fact.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 17:15:00 GMT -5
Did Jesus or Paul ever command/ask anyone NOT to be a soldier? well the baptist took the sting out of being a solider by telling them to do no man harm....don't agree with that though...
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Post by mountain on Aug 15, 2020 17:21:39 GMT -5
Nathan, you are not listening. I am not arguing against the fact that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two.That is an attested fact. I have already quoted Mark and Luke with their specific matter of fact statements (as opposed to commands) AND have stated that it can be inferred from circumstances in Matthew's gospel that Jesus sent his disciples out two and two. What I am stating as fact!...is that there is no mention throughout the entirety of Matthew's gospel that Jesus 'specifically' sent his disciples out two and two, far less in Matthew 10 itself. A whole religion was built up on Jesus sending out his disciples two and two as supposedly mentioned in Matthew 10, which is an erroneous statement. Taking Matthew 10 by itself, Jesus could have sent them out singly, in pairs, threes...or even fifteens...No wait...there were only twelve of them. Matthew 10 does not state that Jesus sent them out in pairs. We are not arguing over whether he did or not. We are debating what is actually stated. Some have given importance to a format which is not even stated in the chapter they cite for authority. That is the point. Matthew10 has pointed out to you, if you READ others verses in the Bible then you can SEE and UNDERSTAND it. I believe you just like to argue just for the FUN out if it, Ram. Just like the Word Bible is NOT in the Bible so are you NOT going to believe in the Bible now? Come on, Ram.
1) Matthew10 wrote: It clearly says here in Matthew 10:1-2 that Jesus sent his disciples out two by two. Remember just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean that it isn’t there. Sometimes you need faith to open your eyes. A wise and prudent man told me here recently that “sight often sees less than faith“ and therefore those who rely purely on sight without faith can be blind. I think this may be what is happening to you here, (ram). Matt10 Nathan, you do realise that Matt 10 (the board member, not the scriptural chapter) that he does not believe in leprechauns? If so you should not be so willing to grasp his above response in a wayward attempt to support your views. According to the Struthers-Smythe opinion poll of 1998, conducted throughout Ireland (both the north and the south), 97.35% of Irish natives believe in leprechauns (87% of whom claim to have seen at least one), 2.65% only think that they may exist and the remaining 0% flatly reject the idea of there being leprechauns. This means that Matt 10 (the board member, not the scriptural chapter) figures in the 0% who claim not to believe in leprechauns.... and you attempt to seek support from such a source? In fairness the Struthers-Smythe poll has had its critics, mainly on account of those participating in the poll not being paid the promised £20 Sterling if they stated honestly that they did in fact believe in leprechauns, but this should not detract from the validity of the poll. The forms, clipboards and pens etc, used in the conducting of the survey were all genuine articles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 17:22:11 GMT -5
After setting up the commandments, God masterminded the first and still largest civilian mass killing in history. You have no idea how big the killing was or if it was even the first, and certainly not the last. Three thousand is a drop in the bucket compared to eleven million. Surely some good apologist can provide a logic for this. Wally is best at this kind of history. for the OT i would have obeyed the Lord or else face his wrath...with the NT we don't have to worry about hacking people to death for the Lord...read your bible
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2020 17:52:36 GMT -5
You have no idea how big the killing was or if it was even the first, and certainly not the last. Three thousand is a drop in the bucket compared to eleven million. Surely some good apologist can provide a logic for this. Wally is best at this kind of history. Well, to provide some perspective, the progressive magazine Mother Jones maintains a database of mass shootings in the United States going back 38 years. www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/ALL off those killings combined over the entire 38 years totals 953 dead in a country with a population north of 300 million people. God made sure that his chosen people killed 3000 of their own civilians in just one day! He truly is the greatest! And they were using Jesus' preferred weapon the sword to run around hacking up their own family members, not modern firearms. Killing someone with a sword takes some effort, especially when they try to fight back. The carnage must have been unthinkable, and quite a turn-on for God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2020 17:54:27 GMT -5
ALL off those killings combined over the entire 38 years totals 953 dead in a country with a population north of 300 million people. God made sure that his chosen people killed 3000 of their own civilians in just one day! He truly is the greatest! And they were using Jesus' preferred weapon the sword to run around hacking up their own family members, not modern firearms. Killing someone with a sword takes some effort, especially when they try to fight back. The carnage must have been unthinkable, and quite a turn-on for God. Mother Jones can't count. Which of the 38 years had only 953 killings?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2020 17:55:52 GMT -5
You have no idea how big the killing was or if it was even the first, and certainly not the last. Three thousand is a drop in the bucket compared to eleven million. Surely some good apologist can provide a logic for this. Wally is best at this kind of history. for the OT i would have obeyed the Lord or else face his wrath...with the NT we don't have to worry about hacking people to death for the Lord...read your bible But in the OT they didn't go to heaven when they died -- unless they were translated.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2020 17:57:04 GMT -5
Did Jesus or Paul ever command/ask anyone NOT to be a soldier? well the baptist took the sting out of being a solider by telling them to do no man harm....don't agree with that though... That baptist was quite a radical, I guess.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2020 18:00:37 GMT -5
Did Jesus or Paul ever command/ask anyone NOT to be a soldier? The only thing I can think of is "if you live by the sword then you die by the sword". The debate, of course, might be as simple as how one wants to die. Paul's theological background would suggest that he believed the principle: "do as you will, as long as it hurts no one."
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