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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2020 3:09:23 GMT -5
Jesus accepted those who come through him. You don't, you only accept those who come through the workers. Jesus was inclusive, you are exclusive to the workers not Jesus who was inclusive. ** you didn't get it correctly either. Jesus was and is very exclusive! Come to the Father through me and my apostles whom I sent and the Holy Spirit sent after my departure back to heaven/Venus planet. All nations, races, religions are to come to Christ as their Savior and abide under His appointed apostles New Test. Ministry and fellowship/Eucharists in remembersce of Jesus Christ, God the Father and Holy Spirit. You make the path exclusive not Christ. You are not Jesus apostles. Never have, never will be. The fellowship/Eucharists is not the way to Christ, never has been, never will be. It is to affirm what is already true. You need exclusiveness to make Christ true. Christ is soooooo much better than your little exclusive rituals Nathan. Christ was true before the foundation of the world and you think you can manipulate God and Christ with your religion. Luke 11:37-54 is a excellent example of what 2x2ism and others do to Christ. You hinder!.
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Post by fixit on Jul 19, 2020 3:20:13 GMT -5
Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law Luke 11:37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.
39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.
42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.
44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.”
45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”
46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.
47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.
52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”
53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 19, 2020 8:06:58 GMT -5
** you didn't get it correctly either. Jesus was and is very exclusive! Come to the Father through me and my apostles whom I sent and the Holy Spirit sent after my departure back to heaven/Venus planet. All nations, races, religions are to come to Christ as their Savior and abide under His appointed apostles New Test. Ministry and fellowship/Eucharists in remembersce of Jesus Christ, God the Father and Holy Spirit. You make the path exclusive not Christ. You are not Jesus apostles. Never have, never will be. The fellowship/Eucharists is not the way to Christ, never has been, never will be. It is to affirm what is already true. You need exclusiveness to make Christ true. Christ is soooooo much better than your little exclusive rituals Nathan. Christ was true before the foundation of the world and you think you can manipulate God and Christ with your religion. Luke 11:37-54 is a excellent example of what 2x2ism and others do to Christ. You hinder!. The way of Christ is in the life, many talk the talk but don't want to walk the walk. True love is love in action.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 19, 2020 8:09:11 GMT -5
Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law Luke 11:37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal. 39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you. 42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone. 43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces. 44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.” 45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.” 46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them. 47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all. 52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.” 53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say. That's exactly it, some look the part outwardly but with the wrong heart. God looks at the heart and God's true people will have the fruits of the Spirit as they deny themselves and take up their cross to follow Jesus and glorify God in their lives in word and deed.
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Post by iam on Jul 19, 2020 11:40:35 GMT -5
No Nathan. People like you crept in. Exclusive to all outside of your church. Jesus was inclusive to anyone wanting to be his friend. You exclude. Exclusive. And now that has spread throughout the whole church worldwide. The early pioneer workers I knew warned against that. *** I believe you get inclusive and exclusive all mix up because of your non-exclusive belief. Jesus was very EXCLUSIVE no man come to God the Father but through me! My WAY and TRUTH and no one else that is very EXCLUSIVE not Inclusive. No actually you have it mixed up as well as many others. But there was a day that these things we’re understood
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Post by iam on Jul 19, 2020 11:49:01 GMT -5
Jesus accepted those who come through him. You don't, you only accept those who come through the workers. Jesus was inclusive, you are exclusive to the workers not Jesus who was inclusive. ** you didn't get it correctly either. Jesus was and is very exclusive! Come to the Father through me and my apostles whom I sent and the Holy Spirit sent after my departure back to heaven/Venus planet. All nations, races, religions are to come to Christ as their Savior and abide under His appointed apostles New Test. Ministry and fellowship/Eucharists in remembersce of Jesus Christ, God the Father and Holy Spirit. We sure don’t got no apostles left like that. All we have left is some of the form. It’s not enough.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 19, 2020 11:54:39 GMT -5
Jesus was very EXCLUSIVE no man come to God the Father but through me! Are you saying that still applies today? No man comes to God the Father but through Jesus? Are you saying that it no longer applies today? Wow... Having an elder claim that .... Even I couldn't have dreamed that one up
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2020 12:23:46 GMT -5
Openingact34 That speel kicked butt
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 19, 2020 12:27:18 GMT -5
Openingact34 That speel kicked butt Thanks. When the inspiration strikes... Well you know. Love your writings as well
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Post by fixit on Jul 19, 2020 13:20:27 GMT -5
Are you saying that still applies today? No man comes to God the Father but through Jesus? Are you saying that it no longer applies today? Wow... Having an elder claim that .... Even I couldn't have dreamed that one up The questions were for Nathan, in an effort to clarify what he is saying.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 14:04:41 GMT -5
Are you saying that it no longer applies today? Wow... Having an elder claim that .... Even I couldn't have dreamed that one up The questions were for Nathan, in an effort to clarify what he is saying. ** You know the answer already but I went ahead and clarify it for you.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 14:24:52 GMT -5
** you didn't get it correctly either. Jesus was and is very exclusive! Come to the Father through me and my apostles whom I sent and the Holy Spirit sent after my departure back to heaven/Venus planet. All nations, races, religions are to come to Christ as their Savior and abide under His appointed apostles New Test. Ministry and fellowship/Eucharists in remembersce of Jesus Christ, God the Father and Holy Spirit. We sure don’t got no apostles left like that. All we have left is some of the form. It’s not enough. ** You once were a sister worker/apostle= Sent by God... and you didn't even know that. So, were you call by God to go in the work/ministry or not? The workers are the apostles sent by God in the 21st century... Of course the today workers/apostles are different then the 1st century apostles. Most of the workers today are Gentiles and in the 2st century were mostly Jews. They were given special gifts of working miracles, heal the sick, raised the dead for signs for them to recognize the Messiah has arrived. After Jesus had paid the ran some priced for our souls then these miracles among the apostles began to cease slowly and eventually no longer necessary and needed.
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Post by fixit on Jul 19, 2020 14:28:47 GMT -5
Are you saying that still applies today? No man comes to God the Father but through Jesus? ** Yes. It's still TRUE today! Jesus SAVES. When Jesus was here he said that but he KNEW His time was very short on earth and billions of souls to SAVE for the next 2000 years... Therefore, Jesus took 82 of his disciples and trained them as apostles, preachers and teachers of the gospel and pastors of churches of God. The apostles to teach their converts to become teachers of the gospel and as Living Witnesses for Christ to all nations= The great Commission in Matt. 28 to the time of Jesus returns to establish His ETERNAL kingdom on earth as KING of kings on earth and the Universe. So people today can only come to God the father through Jesus?
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 14:49:16 GMT -5
** Yes. It's still TRUE today! Jesus SAVES. When Jesus was here he said that but he KNEW His time was very short on earth and billions of souls to SAVE for the next 2000 years... Therefore, Jesus took 82 of his disciples and trained them as apostles, preachers and teachers of the gospel and pastors of churches of God. The apostles to teach their converts to become teachers of the gospel and as Living Witnesses for Christ to all nations= The great Commission in Matt. 28 to the time of Jesus returns to establish His ETERNAL kingdom on earth as KING of kings on earth and the Universe. So people today can only come to God the father through Jesus? ** YES.. How did the Jews and Gentiles believers in the book of Acts 2-5 come to God it was through Jesus apostles preaching of repentance and 8000 souls were saved. How did you come to God and Jesus? Who did you profess through.
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Post by Grant on Jul 19, 2020 14:53:35 GMT -5
You're way off Nathan. Jesus said come to the Father through him. He was the one who gave his life for us. Jesus alone is the way the truth and life. Read John 3 v 16. There is also nothing about heaven being inside venus either but Uranus was used plenty of times tho. But then God dwells in the 3rd heaven and venus ain't no 3rd heaven but is within our galaxy. *** Jesus has NOT been here for 2000 yrs, HOW are they/people going to COME to Him while he is inside of Venus/heaven? You mean no, they can not come to the Father through Jesus today as according to you Nathan, they come through the workers because Jesus is inside venus.
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Post by fixit on Jul 19, 2020 15:36:20 GMT -5
So people today can only come to God the father through Jesus? ** YES.. How did the Jews and Gentiles believers in the book of Acts 2-5 come to God it was through Jesus apostles preaching of repentance and 8000 souls were saved. How did you come to God and Jesus? Who did you profess through. It looks like you're wanting to do a rewrite.... John 14:6 Jesus told him, “ I am ______ the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me ______.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 15:53:19 GMT -5
** YES.. How did the Jews and Gentiles believers in the book of Acts 2-5 come to God it was through Jesus apostles preaching of repentance and 8000 souls were saved. How did you come to God and Jesus? Who did you profess through. It looks like you're wanting to do a rewrite.... John 14:6 Jesus told him, “ I am ______ the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me ______. *** YOU did NOT answer my questions.. HOW and when did you come to God and Jesus? Which workers did you profess through, fixit?
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 15:58:51 GMT -5
*** Jesus has NOT been here for 2000 yrs, HOW are they/people going to COME to Him while he is inside of Venus/heaven? You mean no, they can not come to the Father through Jesus today as according to you Nathan, they come through the workers because Jesus is inside venus. *** hmmmm... When you were 2x2 how did you come to Know God and Christ? Can you tell us the names of the two workers you professed through, please. Who were they?
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2020 16:05:14 GMT -5
You mean no, they can not come to the Father through Jesus today as according to you Nathan, they come through the workers because Jesus is inside venus. *** hmmmm... When you were 2x2 how did you come to Know God and Christ? Can you tell us the names of the two workers you professed through, please. Who were they? ***I don't understand this crap. Why does it matter? No one professes THROUGH anyone. They profess to follow Christ. I was there when my father was baptized. I know how it went down.
***They way you are portraying it is that there is a hierarchy. God, Jesus, and whatever worker baptized you.
***You are warped in your thinking, Nathan. I've never been a 2x2 and I want to smack you. I can only imagine what former 2x2's and current 2x2's feel like when it comes to you.
***You are so ego bound that you can't see further than your own nose. I swear I am pasting a gold star on your forehead. In your fictional Venus heaven, I'm sure there is a seat for you at your god's left hand. Jesus is on the right, correct?
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 19, 2020 16:15:20 GMT -5
Are you saying that it no longer applies today? Wow... Having an elder claim that .... Even I couldn't have dreamed that one up The questions were for Nathan, in an effort to clarify what he is saying. Whatever else you want to accuse Nathan of, he is VERY strong in the "all non-Christians go straight to hell" doctrine that is so central to Christianity and expressed clearly by Jesus. You don't need to worry about that.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 16:36:04 GMT -5
*** hmmmm... When you were 2x2 how did you come to Know God and Christ? Can you tell us the names of the two workers you professed through, please. Who were they? ***I don't understand this crap. Why does it matter? No one professes THROUGH anyone. They profess to follow Christ. I was there when my father was baptized. I know how it went down.
***They way you are portraying it is that there is a hierarchy. God, Jesus, and whatever worker baptized you.
***You are warped in your thinking, Nathan. I've never been a 2x2 and I want to smack you. I can only imagine what former 2x2's and current 2x2's feel like when it comes to you.
***You are so ego bound that you can't see further than your own nose. I swear I am pasting a gold star on your forehead. In your fictional Venus heaven, I'm sure there is a seat for you at your god's left hand. Jesus is on the right, correct? *** All 2x2 must profess through 2x2 workers in order to participate in the fellowship/worshiping Sunday morning gathering. If you didn't profess then you would NOT know or remember the two workers names. Jesus is NOT here on earth but inside Venus with God the Father; So, how the people are going to come to God through Jesus? The Holy Spirit is here on earth but he can't preach the gospel audible so nobody can't hear him and Coe to Christ and God. Well, that leave to Jesus the workers/apostles the great Commission Matt. 28 wouldn't it. I don't have any choice where God and Christ want me to seat... Maybe next to John the apostle who wrote the book of revelation. I enjoy that book so much, he revealed Jesus came from Inside planet of Venus Rev. 22:16.
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Post by Grant on Jul 19, 2020 16:48:15 GMT -5
** YES.. How did the Jews and Gentiles believers in the book of Acts 2-5 come to God it was through Jesus apostles preaching of repentance and 8000 souls were saved. How did you come to God and Jesus? Who did you profess through. It looks like you're wanting to do a rewrite.... John 14:6 Jesus told him, “ I am ______ the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me ______. No apostles mentioned there.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 16:55:20 GMT -5
It looks like you're wanting to do a rewrite.... John 14:6 Jesus told him, “ I am ______ the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me ______. No apostles mentioned there. *** Well, before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus mention in Matthew 10 hearing/receiving the apostles gospel like hearing/receiving Jesus and God the Father; in Luke 10 Jesus said rejecting the apostles like rejecting Jesus and God the Father.
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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2020 16:56:49 GMT -5
It looks like you're wanting to do a rewrite.... John 14:6 Jesus told him, “ I am ______ the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me ______. *** YOU did NOT answer my questions.. HOW and when did you come to God and Jesus? Which workers did you profess through, fixit? Professing is showing something that is already true. The trouble is it has been turned into something that makes it true by way of religous ritual introduced by man. If you need a worker it isn't God. Its a idol!.
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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2020 17:00:56 GMT -5
The questions were for Nathan, in an effort to clarify what he is saying. Whatever else you want to accuse Nathan of, he is VERY strong in the "all non-Christians go straight to hell" doctrine that is so central to Christianity and expressed clearly by Jesus. You don't need to worry about that. No that is central to religion. True Christianity does not understand this made up form.
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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2020 17:15:30 GMT -5
No apostles mentioned there. *** Well, before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus mention in Matthew 10 hearing/receiving the apostles gospel like hearing/receiving Jesus and God the Father; in Luke 10 Jesus said rejecting the apostles like rejecting Jesus and God the Father. Why don't you carry a sword Nathan?
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 19, 2020 17:17:17 GMT -5
Whatever else you want to accuse Nathan of, he is VERY strong in the "all non-Christians go straight to hell" doctrine that is so central to Christianity and expressed clearly by Jesus. You don't need to worry about that. No that is central to religion. True Christianity does not understand this made up form. When Peter and John were brought before the high priest and officials, this was the message that they shared in Acts 4: "“Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. Jesus is “‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”Were Peter and John "fake Christians"? Jesus said "“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."Was Jesus a "fake Christian"?
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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2020 17:28:20 GMT -5
No that is central to religion. True Christianity does not understand this made up form. When Peter and John were brought before the high priest and officials, this was the message that they shared in Acts 4: "“Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. Jesus is “‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”Were Peter and John "fake Christians"? Jesus said "“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."Was Jesus a "fake Christian"? Wow you responded, I'll just put a notch in the post 😁. You understand this from the self proclaimed Chrisitanity you have been sold and now reject. No they were not fake Christians, and if you understood that the way the truth and the life was nothing to do with what proclaimed Christians have told you, you may have a different view. When you start to understand the Hebrew people you will see that what 2x2ism and many others sell is made up but not reject the simple truth that true Christianity can be shown by anyone regardless of religion and its rituals that only bring bondage which you rightfully reject.
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