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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 13, 2020 0:34:22 GMT -5
As well as the facts. I mean if God saved the Jews from Egyptian slavery by miracles or technological means, perhaps we should edit your secular atheist assumption. The Bible offers a couple of versions of how that version happened. I wonder which one is the alternate facts.
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Post by DrPetros on Aug 13, 2020 7:27:24 GMT -5
It so happens that atheists on average have more knowledge of the Bible than the average devout Christian. Who says so? We do, -because we can prove it and have done so right here on TMB.Please point me in the direction of a TMB thread where the athiests have presented a more accurate and thorough understanding of the bible and orthodox Christian doctrine than the 'average Christian'.
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Post by plp on Aug 13, 2020 8:49:20 GMT -5
From my observation, this is what I see or comprehend. I think what gets up the atheist nose is Christian people stating their spiritual experience as fact. As Truth. I’ve often thought along these lines. If I was professing to be a Christian, I would have to put it this way. ...I believe in a spiritual dimension to my life. This is true to me. My spiritual experience or my spiritual beliefs are true to me. And really, is that not simplicity? I can’t espouse to others that they are fact or a universal Truth. Hi Olea I am very interested in what you write here. I am a Christian and if ever asked why by friends or colleagues, I have a number of different ways I may choose to respond. One of those is to share some key moments of my testimony (i.e. my spiritual experience). So i am interested in you saying that, for you, that approach gets up the atheist nose. Can you tell me why that is. Presumably an atheist could choose to quietly mentally reject what is being said but you suggest your response is stronger than that. So that I can be sure we are talking about the same type of thing here, would you be able to share what a typical shared spiritual experience (just the gist would do) might sound like, that would have the effect of getting up your nose?! On a secondary point (which I am still trying to get my head around but which I think is related) do you see a clear difference between spiritual experience and spiritual beliefs (you mention both above)? To me the former is outside of belief and if honestly shared then the person is satisfied they are sharing a fact that has occurred in their life. If instead I shared something of my life experience (as opposed to spiritual experience) I might say 'I fell in love with my spouse back in 1994'. To me that is fact, and I presume you would probably have no problem accepting it as such (unless you knew something else about me that was different). I certainly suspect it wouldn't be getting up your nose! So i wonder if the reaction you have to hearing someone's spiritual experience is because it is about spiritual things they are talking? Or is it the manner that some people use? Am thinking on my feet here, so sorry if this is unclear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 9:06:00 GMT -5
An atheist quoting scripture just shows how broad minded they are, compared to the narrow minded 2x2 Christians. On the last page Bob said 'Christians quote atheists all the time' which is a fair enough comment. You also marked that you liked his post. For consistency then, and confident that you would wish to be fair and unbiased, I suggest you should amend your post above to also include Christians in the broad minded category.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 9:13:03 GMT -5
It so happens that atheists on average have more knowledge of the Bible than the average devout Christian. Who says so? Someone somewhere will have been bound to make a case for this.
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 13, 2020 9:24:40 GMT -5
An atheist quoting scripture just shows how broad minded they are, compared to the narrow minded 2x2 Christians. On the last page Bob said 'Christians quote atheists all the time' which is a fair enough comment. You also marked that you liked his post. For consistency then, and confident that you would wish to be fair and unbiased, I suggest you should amend your post above to also include Christians in the broad minded category. The post was about atheists quoting scripture, not general Christians quoting scripture. That would change the whole context of what the post was referring to. So.... NO.
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Post by plp on Aug 13, 2020 9:40:56 GMT -5
I am not an atheist. I’m not anything other than what iam. The rest is up to my God but it seems like it’s acceptable practice (best practice?) for 2x2s on TMB to judge anyone who isn’t blindfolded. Nevertheless I don’t expect you to understand that, are you high? Sorry Iam. No I'm not high ... I just thought you were an atheist. I don't know why exactly but I apologize. I'm 66 years old, going on 67, have diabetes and some serious cancer going on, with related macular degeneration and cataracts, so can't read a computer screen very well any more. I haven't been on the board for quite some time; but, I do enjoy discussing the Bible, and since I don't attend ANY church this is one place I can attempt to have Bible discussions; but, it's been a let down to see so much against GOD and the word of GOD. Well take it easy IAM. Truly Didn't intend to rattle your cage or ruffle your feathers so to speak! Hi jetmech I also am from a family that has suffered generationally from eye issues though am thankfully free from major eye difficulty myself. Life is clearly not easy for you at present. You mention enjoying discussing the Bible. As some others have said this may not be the best forum to have those discussions. I will private message you about some potential other options you could consider.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 10:20:07 GMT -5
On the last page Bob said 'Christians quote atheists all the time' which is a fair enough comment. You also marked that you liked his post. For consistency then, and confident that you would wish to be fair and unbiased, I suggest you should amend your post above to also include Christians in the broad minded category. The post was about atheists quoting scripture, not general Christians quoting scripture. That would change the whole context of what the post was referring to. So.... NO. oh well, I am sure many people will see the point I was making. But just in case, and showing the same bias and nonsense you have done, one can say 'A Christian quoting atheists shows how broadminded they are'.
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 13, 2020 13:58:09 GMT -5
The post was about atheists quoting scripture, not general Christians quoting scripture. That would change the whole context of what the post was referring to. So.... NO. oh well, I am sure many people will see the point I was making. But just in case, and showing the same bias and nonsense you have done, one can say 'A Christian quoting atheists shows how broadminded they are'. You obviously don't understand what I was saying regarding the conversation. Why would I change what I said, which would change the whole context of my point? What you're saying just doesn't make any sense, except in your mind and your favour. I am sure many people will see the point I was making.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 13, 2020 16:02:03 GMT -5
We do, -because we can prove it and have done so right here on TMB. Please point me in the direction of a TMB thread where the athiests have presented a more accurate and thorough understanding of the bible and orthodox Christian doctrine than the 'average Christian'. We don't have any average Christians or atheists on this site.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 13, 2020 23:44:01 GMT -5
I hit as hard with my left as my right. A few have found that out to their dismay. I doubt it! Based on what you do here, you attempt a quick put down and then cut and run!! Hey! -tybalt, -can you provide any post where curly ever "cut and run?"
I don't think that you can produce such a post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 1:06:51 GMT -5
Yes, curly tends to dash off very brief replies (often an attempt at a put down) and then moves off to comment elsewhere. That's fine. That's just his way of operating. A common practice of his.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 14, 2020 1:12:51 GMT -5
Yes, curly tends to dash off very brief replies (often an attempt at a put down) and then moves off to comment elsewhere. That's fine. That's just his way of operating. A common practice of his. Brief replies are best for those of you with limited intelligence. If I said anymore I would be wasting my precious time and you would not understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 1:16:27 GMT -5
I doubt it! Based on what you do here, you attempt a quick put down and then cut and run!! Hey! -tybalt, -can you provide any post where curly ever "cut and run?"
I don't think that you can produce such a post.go through his past posts there are few of any depth its all hit and run...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 14, 2020 1:21:53 GMT -5
Hey! -tybalt, -can you provide any post where curly ever "cut and run?"
I don't think that you can produce such a post. go through his past posts there are few of any depth its all hit and run... Projecting again Wally!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 1:26:26 GMT -5
go through his past posts there are few of any depth its all hit and run... Projecting again Wally!! people can look at mine and your posts and see for themselves you are always insulting someone whereas i generally insult as a response to an insult...have a look...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 14, 2020 1:30:53 GMT -5
people can look at mine and your posts and see for themselves you are always insulting someone whereas i generally insult as a response to an insult...have a look... I can smell the arrogance on your breath from here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 1:33:35 GMT -5
people can look at mine and your posts and see for themselves you are always insulting someone whereas i generally insult as a response to an insult...have a look... I can smell the arrogance on your breath from here. case in point...
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 14, 2020 1:45:41 GMT -5
Hey! -tybalt, -can you provide any post where curly ever "cut and run?"
I don't think that you can produce such a post. go through his past posts there are few of any depth its all hit and run... This is always Wally's response when you ask him to prove some comment he makes about his adversaries. Basically, "go find it yourself because I'm talking outta my a$$ and I don't really have proof, just saying it to sound like I'm in control of the conversation, because that's what I like about myself".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 14, 2020 1:46:18 GMT -5
I can smell the arrogance on your breath from here. case in point...
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Post by jetmech on Aug 14, 2020 1:46:49 GMT -5
Yes, curly tends to dash off very brief replies (often an attempt at a put down) and then moves off to comment elsewhere. That's fine. That's just his way of operating. A common practice of his. In psychology they call them the "sniper" personality type. They are cowards really. They don't have the nerve to be confronted and set straight, and it's easy to sit behind a computer and "spout off" and easy to take "pot shots" as a "sniper" without ever really contributing anything meaningful themselves. You see, that would be too risky ... some other sniper may take a "pot shot" at them, or embarrass them; that's why they stay "on the go."
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 14, 2020 1:49:27 GMT -5
Yes, curly tends to dash off very brief replies (often an attempt at a put down) and then moves off to comment elsewhere. That's fine. That's just his way of operating. A common practice of his. In psychology they call them the "sniper" personality type. They are cowards really. They don't have the nerve to be confronted and set straight, and it's easy to sit behind a computer and "spout off" and easy to take "pot shots" as a "sniper" without ever really contributing anything meaningful themselves. You see, that would be too risky ... some other sniper may take a "pot shot" at them, or embarrass them; that's why they stay "on the go." Self analysis?
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Post by jetmech on Aug 14, 2020 1:51:18 GMT -5
In psychology they call them the "sniper" personality type. They are cowards really. They don't have the nerve to be confronted and set straight, and it's easy to sit behind a computer and "spout off" and easy to take "pot shots" as a "sniper" without ever really contributing anything meaningful themselves. You see, that would be too risky ... some other sniper may take a "pot shot" at them, or embarrass them; that's why they stay "on the go." Self analysis? Another case in point. Like I told you the other day I've been on the board since 1992. It was called the PMB when I first came on. I haven't been on here much at all this past year and left for quite some time due to some serious health issues. I just came back on about 5 or 6 days ago, so you don't even know me!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 1:58:13 GMT -5
go through his past posts there are few of any depth its all hit and run... This is always Wally's response when you ask him to prove some comment he makes about his adversaries. Basically, "go find it yourself because I'm talking outta my a$$ and I don't really have proof, just saying it to sound like I'm in control of the conversation, because that's what I like about myself". the tool is there for everyone to use, do you want me to show you how to use it?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 14, 2020 2:31:51 GMT -5
Yes, curly tends to dash off very brief replies (often an attempt at a put down) and then moves off to comment elsewhere. That's fine. That's just his way of operating. A common practice of his. I didn't asked you to just repeat your claim. I asked you "can you provide any post where curly ever "cut and run?"
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 14, 2020 2:39:37 GMT -5
As well as the facts. I mean if God saved the Jews from Egyptian slavery by miracles or technological means, perhaps we should edit your secular atheist assumption. But in the bible who is telling the story that it was God who "saved the Jews from Egyptian slavery?"
Right! -the Jews!
Would it not be wise to find at least one other account written by someone else?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 2:48:20 GMT -5
Others have answered well on my behalf - see recent posts. By the way, thanks guys.
If you want specific posts it's dead easy. Just go to the Members section at the top of the page, put in Curly's name and read his posts. As others have pointed out , it won't take long to find what you are looking for.
I have no idea why you got in a tizz about this. I merely stated the bleeding obvious. I made no complaint about the way Curly operates. I simply made an observation. In fact I think his way of giving brief responses has much merit for anyone. It certainly limits the chance of showing oneself up more.
By the way how are you getting on with drafting your response to Dr Petros?
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Post by plp on Aug 14, 2020 3:15:42 GMT -5
Hi Olea I am very interested in what you write here. I am a Christian and if ever asked why by friends or colleagues, I have a number of different ways I may choose to respond. One of those is to share some key moments of my testimony (i.e. my spiritual experience). So i am interested in you saying that, for you, that approach gets up the atheist nose. Can you tell me why that is. Presumably an atheist could choose to quietly mentally reject what is being said but you suggest your response is stronger than that. So that I can be sure we are talking about the same type of thing here, would you be able to share what a typical shared spiritual experience (just the gist would do) might sound like, that would have the effect of getting up your nose?! On a secondary point (which I am still trying to get my head around but which I think is related) do you see a clear difference between spiritual experience and spiritual beliefs (you mention both above)? To me the former is outside of belief and if honestly shared then the person is satisfied they are sharing a fact that has occurred in their life. If instead I shared something of my life experience (as opposed to spiritual experience) I might say 'I fell in love with my spouse back in 1994'. To me that is fact, and I presume you would probably have no problem accepting it as such (unless you knew something else about me that was different). I certainly suspect it wouldn't be getting up your nose! So i wonder if the reaction you have to hearing someone's spiritual experience is because it is about spiritual things they are talking? Or is it the manner that some people use? Am thinking on my feet here, so sorry if this is unclear. I actually could not be bothered answering this post initially, I’m sorry to say...as you are reading & putting things into my post Which were not there. For a start I have not said I am or am not an atheist ( or my nose) and I was referring to my observations on this board between atheists and Christians. So perhaps go back and read it now keeping that in mind. I think the rest of my post was self-explanatory. Thank you for choosing to respond and apologies for my misunderstanding about your belief position. I also hadn't picked up that your post referred to Christians conversing with atheists on this board. So perhaps enough said. I am interested though that people's reactions are different ( I suspect), when listening to a person's life experience than to their spiritual experience. Shows how sensitive and personal the subject of spirituality can be I guess.
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